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January 15th, 2013 at 2:27 PM
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247 releases final Top 247

247's final Top 247 is not the most kind ranking system applied to M's class.  David Dawson is our highest rated commit on their site, coming in at 65 overall.  The rest of our class breaks down as follows:

  • 80 - Dymonte Thomas
  • 81 - Shane Morris
  • 97 - Patrick Kugler
  • 103 - Kyle Bosch
  • 108 - Taco Charlton
  • 120 - Henry Poggi
  • 129 - LTT
  • 137 - Chris Fox
  • 190 - Maurice Hurst
  • 194 - Mike McCray
  • 199 - Ben Gedeon
  • 218 - DeVeon Smith

Derrick Green checks in at 84 overall.

247 lists Michigan's class 6 overall.  The question for the recruitniks/talent evaluators: is M's class lacking top end talent/supreme playmakers or are 247's rankings unduly harsh to our commits?  Obviously this isn't bad - 6 overall is an incredible class.  I'm just surprised by some of the rankings here.

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January 15th, 2013 at 2:30 PM | Yeah. No top end talent at (Score:3 Normal)
cypress
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Yeah. No top end talent at all.

January 15th, 2013 at 2:31 PM | Potentially having 14 of the (Score:5 Normal)
robbyt003
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Potentially having 14 of the top 218 HS players in the nation is pretty good.  

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January 15th, 2013 at 3:27 PM | Yes, (Score:4 Normal)
champswest
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that gives us 6% of the top 218 players.  I think that we would gladly take that every year.

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January 15th, 2013 at 7:39 PM | Even Better... (Score:4 Normal)
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If you narrow it down to conference, we get about a third of the currently committed recruits going to schools in our conference. Granted, this involved a lot of manual counting, so there might be spot errors, but among those 208 who list a commitment, here is the approximate Big Ten breakdown.

TEAM # OF COMMITTED 2013 RECRUITS % OF CONF. TOTAL % OF OVERALL TOTAL
Michigan 13 32.50% 6.25%
Ohio St. 12 30.00% 5.77%
Penn St. 4 10.00% 1.92%
Nebraska 3 7.50% 1.44%
Wisconsin 2 5.00% 0.96%
Northwestern 2 5.00% 0.96%
Michigan St. 2 5.00% 0.96%
Illinois 1 2.50% 0.48%
Indiana 1 2.50% 0.48%

 

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January 15th, 2013 at 2:32 PM | iPhone (Score:1 Normal)
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Shane's bad UA game doesn't help him which hurts us. It's a great class but there are other great classes this year too. We don't have all these flashy skill players in this years class. Which I think hurts

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January 15th, 2013 at 2:38 PM | Solution is simple.  We are (Score:5 Normal)
ChuckWood
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Solution is simple.  We are loading the trenches and building something that will become very appealing to recruits.  Who wouldn't want to run behind an all-star o-line?  And who wouldn't want to have all day to get open so Shane Morris can throw to them?

If you build, they will come.

And if that doesn't work, hire Tom Brady and Charles Woodson as position coaches in a few years.  That'll do it.

It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day. 

January 15th, 2013 at 2:57 PM | ...and hire Kate Upton to be (Score:5 Normal)
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...and hire Kate Upton to be a recruiting coordinator...

January 15th, 2013 at 3:01 PM | Hey, we talked about a (Score:5 Normal)
ChuckWood
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Hey, we talked about a mascot...

And I'm serious.  People want to talk about "Michigan men" being involved, hire big names.  Tom Brady ever contributes to the team and welcome back quarterback U.

Also, go back to Nike.  And build a wall around the state.  A real one, not immaginary.  Problem solved.

It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day. 

January 15th, 2013 at 3:29 PM | Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't (Score:5 Normal)
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see Tom Brady coaching down the road.  When you've won a few Super Bowls and you have a supermodel for a wife, there's really no need to work 16- or 18-hour days all the time.

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January 15th, 2013 at 3:34 PM | You're right, but ya never (Score:5 Normal)
ChuckWood
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You're right, but ya never know.  Some guys love to just be around the game.  

Tom Brady- "Hi this is Tom Brady"

Recruit- "I commit."

It's just a dream.  

It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day. 

January 15th, 2013 at 4:32 PM | I don't see recruiting as a (Score:3 Normal)
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I don't see recruiting as a problem for Michigan under this staff.  The lines were very thin and that has been addressed through the last 2 classes.  Once the offense starts gaining yards through RBs and putting up solid passing numbers, an upgrade in skill position players will naturally occur.  So it will come down to whether our coaching staff can develop players and coach with all the top programs.

January 15th, 2013 at 5:01 PM | Tom doesn't have to be a (Score:4 Normal)
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Tom doesn't have to be a coach to do that.  We'll just give him the title of "Ambassador".

Personally, once Brady decides to hang them up, I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the broadcasters seat.

 

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January 15th, 2013 at 6:40 PM | I don't know if he's ever (Score:4 Normal)
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I don't know if he's ever addressed it, but Michigan fans weren't exactly overflowing with love for Tom back in the day when he was a student there.  I recall many of game where a large portion of the stadium was cheering for Henson anytime Brady would make a mistake.

While I would love to have him back in AA, the elite of the elite guys (which I think he has clearly proven he is among) usually don't going into coaching or broadcasting when they're done. 

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January 15th, 2013 at 10:29 PM | Didn't Brady Hoke actually (Score:1)
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Didn't Brady Hoke actually recruit Brady,Tom?

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January 15th, 2013 at 3:35 PM | Plus (Score:4 Normal)
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I can't see Giselle settling down in a college town.

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January 15th, 2013 at 4:48 PM | Yeah.... (Score:3 Normal)
cigol
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Something about Tom and Gisel meeting for some lunch outside Les Dog after getting their haircuts at the Aveda on Liberty just doesnt seem to fit.....

January 15th, 2013 at 9:32 PM | Can you be recruiting coordinator (Score:2 Normal)
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And president at the same time?

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January 15th, 2013 at 3:11 PM | Shane (Score:4 Normal)
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Said this before, but it wasn't just the UA game for Shane that lead to his drop.  He performed below expectations at nearly every major camp he went to this summer -- Elite 11, The Opening, and then the UA Game.  All of those scouting sites have people around for the practices too, and Shane looked the same during the UA practices as he did during the game.

All that being said though, he's still top 5/top 10 at his position, which is pretty goddamn good.

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January 15th, 2013 at 3:17 PM | He is one of the best in his (Score:5 Normal)
Blarvey
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He is one of the best in his class but we desperately need QB depth. Unless DG gets a RS, there will be Shane, Bellomy, and walk-ons in 2014.

January 15th, 2013 at 3:24 PM | We'll be fine for qb depth. (Score:3 Normal)
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We'll be fine for qb depth. DG will get a redshirt, plus we'll take 1 or 2 qbs next year, so we could have 5. We'd have rs senior Devin, rs junior Bellomy, rs freshman Shane, and a true freshman or two.  We could likely land 2015 Cass Tech qb sensation Jayru Campbell who won back to back state championships as a freshman and sophomore as well. Alabama and ND are already after him, lol.

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January 15th, 2013 at 8:05 PM | Umm (Score:1)
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Lets not presume Jayru is committed here. We need depth at qb and we need it ASAP. We locked ourselves out of another one by over relying on Morris in this class. Seems like a lot of pressure to put on the kid. In Mykonos we must get two qbs next year. We don't want to rely on walk ons. Being back the qb factory years.

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January 15th, 2013 at 3:26 PM | and freshmen (Score:2)
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and freshmen

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January 15th, 2013 at 2:32 PM | GO BLUE (Score:5 Normal)
Gobgoblue
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Rankings schmankings.  I love our class.  

GO BLUE

BEAT OHIO

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January 15th, 2013 at 2:32 PM | You are correct (Score:5 Normal)
Kermits Blue Key
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You are correct, 247 is lacking top end recruitniks/talent evaluators.

January 15th, 2013 at 3:10 PM | No kidding (Score:3 Normal)
vnperk
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OSU is ranked the #2 class, a full four spots above us, despite having 4 fewer commitments and 1 less 4-star. I'm not sure how they end up composing these rankings, but that doesn't make much sense.

All things considered, I think Rivals team rankings make the most sense. The methodology is transparent and simple (unlike 247), and they only count the top 20 commits in each class, taking out an oversigning bonus you'd get at Scout.

January 15th, 2013 at 3:30 PM | Maybe Ohio State's recruits (Score:5 Normal)
Magnus
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Maybe Ohio State's recruits are better than Michigan's?

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January 15th, 2013 at 3:39 PM |   (Score:5 Normal)
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January 15th, 2013 at 6:43 PM | If you're going to go with a (Score:3 Normal)
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If you're going to go with a finger-waving gif, I would much rather prefer the "smoking is not allowed" flight attendant from the old onboard Delta videos.

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January 15th, 2013 at 7:35 PM | FYI, she's on twitter. (Score:2)
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FYI, she's on twitter.  http://twitter.com/Deltalina

January 15th, 2013 at 4:01 PM | Nope it has been established (Score:5 Normal)
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Nope it has been established that every single recruit michigan gets is vastly superior to Ohio states. Get on board magnus!

If you don't like Michigan you are a peasant

January 15th, 2013 at 5:02 PM | Maybe Ohio State's recruits are better than Michigan's? (Score:3 Normal)
Don
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Blasphemy. Michigan's recruits are always more better than Ohio State because they're Michigan recruits.

If we swapped classes with OSU, people would then insist that our players are better.


January 15th, 2013 at 2:33 PM | Having a top 247 sounds weird (Score:1)
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Having a top 247 sounds weird to me.

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January 15th, 2013 at 2:44 PM | Imagine being the #248 guy..  (Score:5 Normal)
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Imagine being the #248 guy.. 

Greetings from Bolivia.

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January 15th, 2013 at 2:49 PM | He's probably the saddest (Score:3 Normal)
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He's probably the saddest recruit in the world :(

It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day. 

January 15th, 2013 at 3:03 PM | Or he probably got a scholarship to a top tier program... (Score:4 Normal)
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and is going to have no shortage of affection from the ladies.

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January 15th, 2013 at 3:05 PM | I am the 248 guy, no wait (Score:4 Funny)
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I am the 248 guy, no wait that's my area code.

January 15th, 2013 at 2:33 PM | 247 has Michigan's class (Score:4 Normal)
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247 has Michigan's class ranked at #8. It's their composite rankings that have Michigan at #6. 

January 15th, 2013 at 2:44 PM | #84? (Score:1)
goblue1213
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They have Green 84th? Scout has him at 6, rivals and espn both have him in the 30s. Any clue what they see that no-one else does? Or is just them hating?

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January 15th, 2013 at 2:52 PM | Sometimes there is some bias (Score:5 Normal)
ken725
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Sometimes there is some bias involved.

Take EJ Levenberry for example.  He only speaks to Mike Farrell and you can tell in the way he is rated.  Rivals has him #38 in the nation and all other services have him in the 250+ range.

 

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January 15th, 2013 at 2:55 PM | I assume they're not just (Score:2 Normal)
elaydin
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I assume they're not just "hating".  I don't see the problem with one recruiting site having a different opinion than the others.  What's the point of having a site if you're just going to copy ratings from Scout and Rivals?

247's internal ratings even differ.  For example, the Bill Kurelic Ohio ratings are often very different than the 247 national ratings.

January 15th, 2013 at 2:59 PM | The Ohio state rankings are (Score:2)
ChuckWood
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The Ohio state rankings are always different from the four recruiting sites.  Wasn't Wormly #1 or #2 on the state rankings last year?  The ones they do before any service comes out with the rankings.

It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day. 

January 15th, 2013 at 3:03 PM | I think the "Bucknuts" guys (Score:3 Normal)
elaydin
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I think the "Bucknuts" guys have their own ratings, independent of the national 247 team.  That's where you see discrepencies like the Wormly rating.

January 15th, 2013 at 3:12 PM | Higher (Score:1)
vnperk
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Rivals has him at 14.

January 15th, 2013 at 3:31 PM | Maybe the other sites just (Score:1 Normal)
Magnus
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Maybe the other sites just have him ranked too high.

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January 15th, 2013 at 3:01 PM | 247's website is a jumbled mess (Score:4 Normal)
Dutch Ferbert
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I hate the layout of this site. It's funny how a blog such as mgoblog can look so much more professional and user friendly than a national recruiting service's website.

It's funny how MIchigan has 17 four stars to Ohio's 16 and 8 three stars to Ohio's 5 and yet Ohio is ranked 4 spots higher (and neither have a 5 star). I haven't read their methodology, but I'm okay being 4 spots below Ohio based on these numbers.

Don't tell the national media, but it looks like Hoke might be able to compete with Urban on the recruiting trail.

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January 15th, 2013 at 3:10 PM | I'm pretty sure 247 only uses (Score:3 Normal)
TheGreatDanton
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I'm pretty sure 247 only uses the top 20 recruits in each class to get the team ranking

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January 15th, 2013 at 3:17 PM | Then we should still be ahead or it's a push (Score:5 Normal)
Dutch Ferbert
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M Top 20: 17 four stars and 3 three stars

O Top 20: 16 four stars and 4 three stars

Nothing to worry about here. Urban is going to recruit well, as did Tressel, but Hoke is doing some of the best recruiting our program has seen in years (at least since the early/mid Carr years).

"[The University of Michigan] was, in short, the testing ground for all my prejudices, my beliefs and my ignorance, and it helped to lay out the boundaries of my life."--Arthur Miller

January 15th, 2013 at 3:54 PM | Not all 4 stars are created equal (Score:5 Normal)
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OSU is also ranked #5 overall by 247 (#2 using the composite rankings)

OSU recruits point ratings - 1 96, 6 95's, 4 94's, 1 92, 1 91, 5 90's (18 4-stars under 247 rankings, 16 4-stars using the composite rankings) 

UM recruits point ratings (in order) - 3 95's, 6 94's, 3 92's, 1 91, 4 90's (17 4-stars under 247 rankings, 17 4-stars using the composite rankings)

January 15th, 2013 at 4:19 PM | But who creates the stars and how (Score:1 Overrated)
Dutch Ferbert
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Thanks for the info. I figured they probably had more detailed ratings than just 4 or 5 stars.

But what's the difference between a 96 and a 95? Or a 91 and a 90? How is that calculated? Who is doing the calculating?

Recruiting is subjective. Again, there is some merit to the recruiting services because they are often right about their projections, and I would rather have all 4 and 5 stars than 3 and 4 stars. However, in the end, the differences in quality between Michigan and Ohio's classes are miniscule, especially when taking into account the subjective nature of recruiting.

I think the best way to look at recruiting (besides looking at the class 4 or 5 years later) is to look at whether or not the team is filling positions of need and how each recruit is ranked by all the recruiting services.

"[The University of Michigan] was, in short, the testing ground for all my prejudices, my beliefs and my ignorance, and it helped to lay out the boundaries of my life."--Arthur Miller

January 15th, 2013 at 3:32 PM | I think 247 is easier to use (Score:3 Normal)
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I think 247 is easier to use than Scout or even ESPN.  If I had to rank them by layout/user friendliness, it would go:

1. Rivals
2. 247 Sports
3. ESPN
4. Scout

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