Borges completes the leap from nearly to completely impossible.
ohio state blogs will post literally anything
Borges completes the leap from nearly to completely impossible.
I will only be excited if it snows. Really would love to be at a game when it's a blizzard. Other than that, just hoping we don't lose by 70.
high of 35
Will score way more than 35
That's the margin of victory for OSU silly.
Unless Bo comes back from the grave, there is no way Michigan wins. I just watched the game (was coaching in a district champ high school game earlier) and it was brutal. This whole staff should be on the hot seat. I like Mattison, but even he's regressed imo.
But the offense is horrendous. Al and Funk have got to go. Its truly embarrassing. I dont even think Michigan would beat Florida at this point. DG has lost all confidence. I love the kid, but he is not the man for the job. He has regressed all year. I know the OL and OC is a huge reason why, but I just dont think hes capable of being a consistent qb.
Are you insane? What on Earth makes you feel that Mattison has regressed? The defense has kept us in every game except MSU and that is only because our offense was so bad in that game, the defense was on the field for a long time and just got gassed.
Am I insane or did they just give up 400+ yards to Iowa? How about that 3rd and 10 play that Iowa converted to end the game? How about the end of the game against PSU and that gw drive by Nebraska?
Sure the defense has kept us in most games, but they have come up short in some of the most crucial times this year.
They may have given up a lot of yards, but they also forced 4 turnovers and scored 7 themselves. The defense is far from perfect, but they are not the issue here.
DING DING DING
If any of you think our defense is "good," go and watch any other game tonight. Hell, Tennessee's defense is playing better than our defense. We are always in the top 20 because we play in the Biiiiiigggg Tennnnnnn which inflates our Defensive ranking.
If we played in a real conference, this defense would be ranked in the 80's somewhere and we wouldn't even be bowl eligible.
If that's not enough convince you, I urge you to all go watch our defensive game film against Alabama, South Carolina, Notre Dame, Akron, ext. it's not pretty!
We have 4 weaknesses:
No pass rush.
Don't get set up in time.
Can't stop a 3rd down.
We are very slow on defense.
That is our defense and that's not changing before the Big Ten's most prolific offense comes to town. They will expose us just like every decent offense has done the last 7 years.
Pressure on the QB is the name of the game with all these pass happy offenses. We're not doing that very well. Our front four generates little consistent pass rush and our blitzes rarely get home. I would hate to see what would happen if we got stuck in the Gator Bowl against a Mizzou or Texas A&M.
We'll find out how good our defense is against OSU. But I'm not very encouraged after giving up over 150 yards on the ground to Iowa.
Umm never said the defense was the issue. Just saying that lately in crucial situations, the D has not stepped up.
Don't be shy about it. Say it. I just said it as well.
OUR. D. IS. NOT. GOOD. Sure when we play cute offenses like Minnesota we are a "Michigan Defense..."
However, when we play any other offense that is even decent (Alabama, South Carolina, Ohio State) we are exposed as a weak, slow, and below average defense.
Is it a coincidence that whenever we play an O with seemingly no pulse and/or a young QB, the O suddenly starts clicking and we make the QB look really good?
Not a coincidence. Our defense just isn't very good. They are by no means as bad as our offense, but folks let's face it - that's not saying much.
Yep jdavis, you nailed it. I feel the same way you do. That's what I should've said in my first post. People don't want to accept the fact that this team struggles in all three phases of the game. I do feel the D is the strongest unit, but that's not saying a whole lot.
This program will remain below avg until some serious changes are made.
So either lights out offenses or teams with Ds that keep our O out of the field all day? Yes, we are not the Alabama defense, but we are pretty good. You've got to see results besides the obvious. If you want to hate everything about the team go ahead, but the D is not the problem and you are just causing more bitching than is necessary. Focus on the world sucking offense.
And when our offense only does 3 and outs, our D plays twice as long. They did a great job today
Peppers to LSU
That's not what I'm suggesting.
Go away from football for a little while. I want you to feel better.
Okay, Wilford. Whatever you say.
goo goo g'joob
Don't tell people to go away you overly optimistic fool
Then got pissy when someone, correctly, point out that Hoke is no Bo. Maybe you should take a break.
No, I made a comparison to another moment of the rivalry where we were the clear underdogs to a team that had a similar win-streak. What you read seems to be rather different.
Looks to be a comment about Bo, not the "moment" to me. Try to spin it all you want. It was a comment about the coaches themselves, and Hoke is still no Bo.
Finkle is Einhorn?
Hoke is no Bo. And bearing in mind that only ONE of our losses was by more than one score, THREE of our wins were by one score (including NW in OT, AKRON AND UCONN). And I don't even know how to classify that Indiana game.
Its that Indiana game that makes me think it'll be a blowout. Ohio State is somewhere in between Indiana's offense and Michigan State's defense. Something like 38-6 or 42-14 seems likely. Just depends on when our defense goes into despair mode.
glewe, I appreciate your post and positivity. The rest of you, not so much.
The 1969 comparisons are pretty bad. 9-2 team. #12 in the country. Tied for the conference title with the win. Underdogs? Yes. But this was not an underperforming team with a middling offense, questionable coaching, and a 5th place division ranking.
And, really, can we cut it with the "Staee" thing?
Impossible! Well...maybe...NOPE! IM-POSS-IB-LE!
in the past crap.
Yup. I'm also tired of it. For a while I always didn't let it bother me when Ohio fans claim we live in the past, but now I see that we do it way too often. M has not won a conference title since 2004, which is unaccaptable, and even then, that wasn't too great of a year since we lost to Ohio and the Rose Bowl. M has been an average below average to average program since 2005.
Part of having a great past is that is something you can fall back on and remember fondly in tough times.
You can't think that "well since Michigan upset ohio in 1969 when they had a 22 game streak, they will in 2013 because they have a similar streak". But you can use your past accomplishments to build yourself back up when you're down and look at the trends of the past to know that these things happen. Programs go into ruts and down times.
The best programs always find their way back to the top.
"Remembering fondly" accounts for zero points on the scoreboard.
That was pretty much my point, so clearly I agree with you. I want to win NOW. I don't give a shit about what happened in the past because that does absolutely nothing for me now.
me: "Hey, Buckeye fan! Remember when we beat you in 1969? Yeah, I'll bet that still stings."
buckeye fan: "10-2 in the past twelve games."
me: <walks away in shame>
Yeah...I don't roll that way. I want to win now.
Look, I totally understand your point, but I wasn't around back then. I was born in 1981 and obviously witnessed good things since then, but we have not been a very good to elite program for ten years. I'm sick of watching our two conference rivals own our team and even more sick of waiting to be good again. I wait for M football all fucking year only to witness yet another season of underachievement. Yet again, I'm saying, "I can't wait for this season to be over."
How do you think I feel? I was born in 1995. The current age of the players.
The best season I've experienced was probably 2003 and I was only in second grade. 2011 was a blast because I remember the details of that win over ohio.
But I know things are going to get better. These things are cyclical. Thing is, Michigan did not go through any trouble like most programs did for nearly 40 years. It's just our time now.
A 1995 birth date means that you have years of potential M football success ahead of you. Signed, an older person
You're just falling back on rhetoric that essentially serves zero purpose. "Remembering fondly." "These things are cyclical."
Football is a real-time game played in the real world.
And what you feel means very little compared to players who played in the game and got zero wins in four years, and to a lesser degree, alumni who spent four years in school with zero wins against Ohio State to celebrate.
There was not a single player who played four full years for any combination of Bo, Moeller, or Lloyd who left without a Big 10 championship ring. Think about that.
This is personal for a lot of people. It's more than game tapes and stats on a page. We can sit around churning out meaningless stats from the past, or we can look at what this program needs to do in the now to actually start winning against these guys.
Okay, I'll bite. So what do you suggest that Michigan should do to start beating these guys?
Borges, Funk have gotta go. Have to. Freddy J I hear is going to retire after this year anyways since JJ is graduating.
I see the pieces in place, the eggs already laid for a successful future. Tons of great young players on the roster right now. But that's just it-- they're young. We saw what happens when you start a freshman OG. Bad things.
I'm already starting to see greatness in De'Veon Smith and Derrick Green. They just need a good offensive line and a competent playcaller.
Greatness? Seriously, you see greatness?
Derric Green getting good yards & him falling forward after being hit behind this offensive line is a big thing. Wish De'Veon was involved yesterday.
They're both bulls and are only going to get better.
OSU hasn't gone through anything like we have in the last 40 years and they are the ones we are competing with the most. It is our own fault as a program for it as well. And I want results not ''we are young, wait until the future'' bs we've heard for years.
I'm pretty sure most OSU fans don't remember the Cooper years too fondly. They were 2-10-1 against us during that era, including zero wins in Ann Arbor and 3 losses when they were undefeated and ranked in the top 5.
It's all about who you hire. That's how you have a down part of the cycle. OSU has been lucky to not blow a coaching hire since 1950. Michigan hadn't until 2008. And perhaps again in 2011. The brand is too stong for you guys to be done once you find the right guy again.
Since Michigan has been anything other that above average at best
They were also riding a 4-game winning streak where they had not scored fewer than 35 nor allowed more than 9. The week before they played OSU they went to Iowa City and kicked the crap out of the Hawkeyes 51-6 and the players chanted "Beat the Buckeyes" at the top of their lungs in the locker room after the game.
I really hope we beat OSU like the '69 team did, but that team was hitting on all cylinders for a month before they played The Game. This situation is a little more analagous to the 1995 and 1996 seasons. In '95, Michigan had lost two of their previous 3 games (and the win was a 5-0 shitfest over Purdue). In '96, Michigan had lost both of its games leading up to the OSU game. But Michigan found a way to win against OSU teams that were both ranked #2.
Let's hope this group finds a way as well.
Even Bacon agreed with me on twitter, you can throw the records out the window in this rivalry.
The underdog has played up to their competition a ton of times and sometimes have even pulled the upset.
Just to name a few from the last 30 years-
1987, 1988, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2011, 2012
I do agree though, you can't compare 1969 to this at all because that 1969 Michigan team was rolling coming into The Game.
I don't understand the people who already have their mind made up like the game has already been played & they know the outcome or they & live and die by the Vegas odds. I mean, why even watch the games then if you are so sure? Sounds pretty misreable.
We didn't win, but we played them (an undefeated team playing in Columbus) pretty tough.
Come on, man. We can throw around all sorts of "any given Saturday" platitudes, but name me one of those games where there was a similar, obvious gap in talent level and execution across the season. Shit, there are more than a few games on that list where both teams were ranked, sometimes both in the top 5!
OSU is blowing out everyone. Video game style. We're struggling to run the ball on defenses that gave up 200+ to tomato cans. The differential is much, much higher. There's no amount of studying YouTube game film and poring over stat binders that can change that.
Big upset (cost Cooper a ton of contract incentive money, too), but still a Top-25 matchup. That '95 team was pretty solid, just had a few bad losses and bad breaks (Scott Dreisbach's traitorous thumb, etc.).
a pretty lucky win against Virginia
They didn't blow out Northwestern or Iowa, and lowly - I mean really, really lowly - Illinois scored 35 on them. Ohio State can be beaten. Probalby not by us, but they can be beaten.
The sooner you realize this the better. This team is lost. Until changes are made we will continue to under-achieve. I commend those of you who plan on watching the game. Be safe. Me? I need a break.
I'm so sick of these types of comments. "Last time Ohio did such and such, we beat them."
This isn't 1960whatever or 1990whatever.
The buckeyes are going to destroy Michigan and if you don't think so, you really need to get with reality. There is no valid reason to believe that our beloved Wolverines will win this game. Our offense is inept and the defense, while pretty solid, has been on the field too long thanks to the offense's ineptitude, which causes them to tire and get dominated in the fourth quarter, such as we saw today.
I think the buckeyes will win by at least 21 points, quite possibly more. It absolutely kills me to say and believe that, but it's likely what will happen. Their football program is just on a different level than ours, which sucks more than most thing, but it's the truth. We have a LONG way to go.
You can say ''throw out records for this game'' all you want, but that won't make things better. That was said in 2008 and 2010 too...we lost 42-7 and 37-7. This team is probably worse at this point than the 2010 team.
What's left when you throw out the records? Michigan is still a rudderless ship on offense, and the defense is still ten fingers trying to plug 20 holes in a leaky dam.
Ohio State on the other hand has a decent defense, and an explosive offense.
Throwing out the records might actually make things worse.
The 2010's defense was the worst I have ever seen. This offense, while awful, is still not as bad as RichRod's 2008 team.
It's possible that Michigan-fan Aliens singing The Victors will take our coaches onto a spaceship, and implant coaching brilliance into their minds. It's possible that they will give these newly-minted geniuses a miracle strength and talent elixir and flubber cleats to give to the team. It's possible that Michigan will play the greatest game in the history of college football, not merely upsetting OSU and breaking their win streak, but clobbering them and giving us a game for the ages to remember the rest of our lives.
These things are possible; anything is possible.
Unfortunately, I don't really think this is likely to happen. I'm pretty much a reality-based guy, and am wondering whether OSU will let up and play their second-string after they hang 50-60 points on our misbegotten group of players in the first half.
Go Blue, but stay safe out there...
To the competition and there is playing up from offensive ineptness
I don't think there is much hope for UM winning at this point it just doesn't seem plausable at all.
It isn't impossible, of course. As someone who lives in a world of statistics, I sort of bristle at the generous use of the term "impossible". We certainly could be triumphant next Saturday. Now, that being said, predictive analytics would say that this is not a likely prospect, of course, and on many measures, rightly so. Still not impossible, merely improbable given the current trend.
Maybe if we win the turnover battle like 3-1 and get a score on defense and they miss an easy field goal... Wait, that happened today.
Even if we play our best game since the Minnesota game, still would come up short, like Iowa did 34-24 to Ohio.
MSU has a prayer thanks to the D and their ability to run the ball. Pretty sad that MSU is what we want to become.
I'm going to the game Saturday out of respect for all of the great players and coaches who did beat Ohio over the years. Yep...living in the past, but can't wait for this POS season to end. At least I was there for home wins in '83, '85, '89', '91, '93, '95, '97, '03, and '11.
If I didn't think the win was possible I wouldn't be going.
I'll be on my section and I hope everyone else on the board with tickets will go.
Borges is going to be calling plays like a mad scientist. We're going to see wishbone, pistol, RR spread option, Stanford multiple tight end sets, etc. Triple reverse WR passes, flea flickers, fumblerooskis, wildcat plays and a million other things we could have tried instead of the three plays Al loves that never works. He's going to channel his inner Chip Kelly.
We're still gonna lose by 30 though.
Hey, that's fine. If hiding those plays all year just to save them for the Ohio game is just fine. Even if Borges broke those plays out earlier, this team likely still would not have won more games. I'm perfectly fine with all new plays if it means we beat Ohio and ruin their streak and shot at the BCS title game. I mean, at this point, that's all we have to play for. It's clear that M is going to some third tier bowl game, which they will probably lose since it will be away from the Big House, but beating Ohio next week will temporarily make me forgive Borges and his awful play calling all season.
a Honda commercial that was talking about giving a free car to people if UM shutout OSU. That gave me a good laugh.
Seriously though, normally I am one to say anything can happen in college football, but is it just not happening with the current state of the offense. I think the bigger question is whether OSU backs off once they have the game in hand or tries to run up the score. As others have said this is not 1969.
If the game gets out of hand, which I expect it to, I will bet anyone $1,000 that Meyer keeps most of his starters in the game at least through the third quarter, possibly early fourth. He isn't dumb and knows another blowout win can do nothing but help his team in the eyes of voters. Granted, FSU or Alabama need to lose a game for Ohio to jump them, but another blowout doesn't hurt the Buckeyes. That being said, if Baylor wins on the road tonight in Stillwater, they should and likely will jump Ohio to number three.
Why is this even a doubt? Indiana scored a TD with 2 minutes left on ohio's first team D. Why would this change next week?
Not to be too much of a Debbie Downer, but Michigan is not beating OSU next weekend. And the score is going to be really ugly, because OSU is going to be motivated to score a lot of style points to leap into the #2 spot.
Also, I'd like to add that I'm so sick and fucking tired of Buckeye fans' whining about their team's not getting respect in the polls. THEY HAVE WON 23 GAMES IN A ROW! Good LORD I would love to know what that feels like. They can't just enjoy that for what it is. I'd love to see how loyal they are if their team goes through what we have over the past ten years. I have to believe we would not see 1/3 to 1/2 of their oppnents' stadiums covered in red.
We can throw out the records, but we can't throw out our offensive coordinator.
And there we have it. Post of the night.
As much as I fully believe we have the talent to play with OSU...we should have beaten them last year in Columbus, we beat them the year before, we have them at home, etc...we are too far down right now to get back up in a week. We don't have an offensive identity. We are emotionally drained. I don't Gardner can get his confidence going enough to produce much next week. We need longer than a week to mentally recover from the frustration that has been building the last 6 weeks since the Penn State debacle. And, OSU is riding high, Hyde is running hard, Shazier is playing lights out, and Meyer is focused on putting the screws to us. We are in for a long day. It's gonna be ugly. I am still optimisitc about our future if we can get rid of Borges, but I have no hopes against OSU. I will still hate on them, but it's hard to talk smack when you know you're gonna lose.
I expect a big blowout and a packed stadium filled with OSU fans.
And forget Borges, most of the offensive staff should be fired. There is no reason why anyone besides the WR coach should have a job next year.
They dropped a bunch of balls today, and I understand from reading this blog that it is all about the coaches so he should have to go too!
I get the sarcasm, but I really think he is the only guy that deserves to stay on. I appreciate all of the coaches time and effort, but we need a big change of scenary.
Why is it that we constantly have to reference a guy who's not coached the team in nearly 25 years? No one on this team was even alive when Bo coached Michigan.
Bo was a great man and a heck of a coach. But he's not even the best coach in our history. Fielding Yost was.
He didn't coach the longest. Yost did.
He doesn't have the most bowl wins. Lloyd does.
He never won a national title. Yost, Crisler, Oosterban, and Carr did.
He never had a Heisman winner. Moehler and Carr did.
He has the most Big Ten Titles (13) only because Yost's Michigan left the Big Ten for ten years. (Yost won 10 Big Ten titles).
He doesn't have the best record against OSU. Yost does.
He won the most games, but only because he played more. He doesn't have the highest winning percentage, Yost does. (.808 to .785).
I get that a lot of fans today worship Bo because he was the coach when they were going to Michigan. I also get that it was a tumultous time on campus and that he helped bring stability and unity in a chaotic era on campus. But, we need to stop the worshipping of this guy. Michigan tradition didn't start with Bo, which is why he wanted to coach at Michigan. Did Bo add to our tradition? You bet. We are in this mess, partly, because we are constantly looking backwards rather than forward.
I mispelled Moeller's name and Yost dominated his peers but it doesn't count because it happened a long time ago? Yost created Michigan tradition. Bo talked about it. On the night of his vigil Dierdorf (i think it was Dierdorf) talked about how Bo constantly talked about Yost, etc.
My entire point is that what Bo did 40 years ago means no more than what Yost did 100 years ago. We are constantly living in the past as a program.
No, I did not say that. I'm saying you cannot compare Bo to Yost and argue which one is better because they coached in different eras.
The forward pass wasn't even legal for a majority of Yost's career.
While I agree with some of what you say, I disagree with who contributed most To Michigan tradition. IMHO, Yost laid the foundation for what Bo created. Mich has never been irrelevant since Bo, even when losing, he turned us into the powerful of a brand.
We had a couple eras of crappiness that were similar to the last 8 years or so, but we were hardly irrelevant.
Look at that again. Between 1956 and 1964 and 1964-1968 we never finished ranked. MSU was kicking our ass during that era.
We've beaten Sparty once in 6 years and Ohio twice in 12 years. We haven't won the Big Ten in nearly a decade.
And the Model T was an nnovation, yet some how the world passed it by...
Michigan would be nothing today without Bo. Nothing.
So sad that so many younger fans have forgotten what he meant for this program. And sad that the arrogance and incompetence of the Michigan administrative class (Bill Martin, Dave Brandon, Lloyd Carr, etc.) have taken the empire Bo spent his whole life building and virtually brought it to its knees.
Bo always knew that this program was bigger than him. It is not discounting Bo to say that constantly referencing a guy who hasn't coached Michigan in 25 years isn't good for the program. We don't need to continually reference Bo and relive the good times, we need to find a 21st century version of him. That's what Ohio State did...twice.
Bo had no connection to Michigan when he came to Ann Arbor. He wanted to add, not relive what Fitz or Yost did.
implys a happy ending
He didnt say who it was going to be happy for.
This ain't 1969.
It ain't even 1968.
I'm starting to be concerned that he score might look a lot like 1968.
I wouldn't be surprised if OSU shut Michigan out. Sad as that is, I could see it happening.
Your last paragraph.. Yes, x100
Please stop looking to the past to predict the future. I grew up on Bo and loved that era but it is GONE! That style of football and style of coaching is not going to succeed at a high level anymore. Elevating Bo to some kind of God-like status around here is only holding UM back rather than going forward.
OSU doesn't look back. They mercilessly roll forward and whether we like it or not they have dominated the series for the past 12 years and there is no sign of it changing. We aren't even in the same league other than the number of fans we can sucker into going to the stadium.
With everything you say, type and/or think.
1968: Ohio 50, Michigan 14.
Put the everything behind you boys, It's a one game season with anything possible. You can make the last game your best. Send those scarlet and gray worthless nuts home with a broken streak.
F... the Bucks!
today against Iowa for us. Against tempo and athletes I don't care if we had Alabama's defense we still wouldn't be able to shut teams out. Just too long for the D to be on the field.
Make 24. Ohio wins by 24...at least.
I will not take time out of my very un-busy, retired life to watch. Good luck against Bucknuts. I wish you well!
We have some things saved up and well-practiced that aren't on film yet. Whatever that may be. Weirdness and innovation are our friends in such a game where we would seem to be outmatched, instead of status quo.
Sort of like "goalline defense the whole game, play the ball not the man..." (that early Tom Cruise movie...i forgot the title about 15 years ago)
Soft coverage has been our meme all year, inside and in front. But I think there comes a lot more times when GMatt has to dial it up and keep the heat on Miller. Keep in mind we blew up Miller so many times last year I thought he might have to leave the game. The old Frank Clark got him once. I'd like to see this year's version (!!)
The team has been terrible for over two months now. There really hasn't been anything during that time span to suggest that we are turning things around or even marginally improving. I don't even think Ohio is all that good, but the team is just really bad right now. However, it's a rivalry game and that's the spirit. So good post.
Ross looks way too small to be a LB for a major D-1 program and Morgan is soooooooo dang slow. The OSU game will be ugly. Bucks by 25.
this ain't your grandpa's underdog Michigan team. It's 2008, 2009, and 2010 all over again. We have played this game before, and we know how it ends...
Best blog on the Internet here folks.
based on the comments of a bunch of random drunk idiots on the night after a football loss...
but I still actually believe that for the sites demographic and size.
Our D can keep us in games we have no business being in, more so than that offense could back when. As sad as this and last season have been, I am still excited for Saturday
that will never change. But OSU has one of the best offenses in the country. If we want to beat them, we're going to generate some of our own offense. After watching the past 4 games, do you really think there's more than a 1% chance that our offense can score enough points to win?
Am I really going out on a limb here saying we will probably lose this game by double digits? I doubt it. I guarantee Brian's prediction will have us losing by 20+ ...
So much freaking complaining on this board, jesus christ.
What do you expect out of Gardner? Is he supposed to single handedly carry the team and make every single throw while fighting off crazy pressure, no run game and poor play calling? It is amazing he is still standing. We need to hope we didn't break him physically and mentally for next season.
What is expected out of the defense? They hold PSU to barely anything all game, while having an O that isn't helping them at all, but because they let up one drive they blew it? Are they supposed to stop every single drive then while getting no rest at all and shitty starting position? How could anyone even think about blaming the D or pointing any blame at Mattison? Do you remember what this D was before he got here? Do you not see what he's done with the same players and now his young recruits?
And everyone complaining about Hole not yelling at a press conference? How does having a coach that is an emotional wreck help us at all? Do you seriously think that because he didn't yell and scream that he's forty that he doesn't support the team? Support the players? Care about what happens? That is retarded. I don't want my team's coach making any stupid distracting comments in fron of the media. That helps no one.
Overall the vibe on here, god damn. So much bitching and moaning. Sure, the season has not gone like we have expected. The losses have hurt. If your solution to that, or your result from that is to complaining about everything, even the players that are busting their asses, and then whine and moan about not watching the game, or how big of a blowout it will be... wtf? Don't go to the game if you are one of these people, please. The team doesn't need you. Give your ticket to an actual fan, not a fairweather walmart sob. The team doesn't need their own fans booing them.
I'm not saying you can't be critical of the coaches or the team or whatever. But the sadsack mentality on here, the pessimistic nature, the overall bitching and moaning. That's not what I'd expect a michigan fan base to act like. It is sad.
I'll always support the team and I'd never even dream of booing at a game. But we see the writing on the wall. Michigan lost their 4th game of the year and there's a 99% chance they'll lose again next week to their arch-rival. People complained about something on the internet? Oh the humanity.
This more or less is how I feel with a couple exceptions, one being I don't necessarily think fairweather is the proper term and a better term would be delusional/irrational. Don't know about you but I have also been getting texts/calls with these same sorts of comments from people that don't read mgoblog (I don't think anyway). Thus, I think it is more of a state of the fanbase thing than an mgoblog thing, though mgoblog tends to be a gathering point for the most outspoken, pessimistic, whiny contingent of the fanbase nowadays.
here's hoping we have one more signature upset in us, at least. It sure would be sweet to have a "Biakabatuka" moment when the Buckeyes just want to rip their ears off from hearing it so much. Perhaps we'll get that from Fitz, Funchess, or Gallon...
Anyway, I'm not holding my breath, but I think we have a better shot than we give ourselves credit for, which is understandable after just witnessing an abortion of a game offensively.
Look on the bright side: no one expects us to even hang, so if we somehow do, God forbid we pull the upset, it will be front page and will RUIN the Buckeyes' season. I'm holding onto that little glimmer of hope.
Throw record out the window, but bad football is bad football..they're not going to magically play better.
Yes, because they are playing a game, anything can happen, and thus we can still hope. I will hold on to that shred of hope as I turn the game on this upcoming Saturday.
However, there is virtually no game in Michigan's history you can point to in order to make us feel better about our chances of winning. The problem, as I see it, is that there is no way we will actually *play well*. And, usually, playing well is a key to winning.
I actually don't care about the losses. What I care about, as a long-time fan, is how the team plays, and how the team develops. This team, sadly, is not developing, and is not playing well. They haven't *deserved* to win for a long time, perhaps not even against bad teams like Akron and U. Conn. It is perhaps some kind of testament to the kids on the team that they have a winning record; they are a hair's breadth away from a losing season.
The 1969 season and final game are certainly fond memories. Here are some scores from that season: 35-7, 57-0, 51-6. Those are the three games before OSU. Bo had the team rolling, and they came into the OSU game knowing they could do it, because they were good. They deserved to win. And they did.
This team is not the better team, and does not deserve to win. They still might, and I sure hope they do, but something is rotten in the state of Denmark, and until something is done about that, the mood around here will remain the same as well.
And thus ends a long post that pretty much nobody will read. That is ok though, as I feel better having written it.
—UM and OSU in 1969 and both teams this year—beating OSU this year would be a far, far greater upset than the 1969 game.
The 2010 year was an exception. A lucky exception. Otherwise it's been consistently bad to completely awful over the past 6 years. Until the program decides that the future is where the focus needs to be not the past it will remain a tire fire.
No I'm not a fairweather fan, just an alum who has decided it's not worth the agony to watch this team currently. I hope you all enjoy the OSU game, I'll be driving on Saturday, might listen for a bit... might not. No big whoop.
So you are a fan but won't watch the OSU game? If I ever get to that point, no matter how bad the expected outcome, I sure as hell won't consider myself a fan or waste time on a message board. How can you not respect this rivalry? I look ordered to this game all year, even in the dark years. BTW, 2011 not 2010 douche.
I've been a Michigan fan for as long as I can remember. You can be a fan and not put yourself through the miserable experience of watching this team. Even when they win they aren't fun to watch. Respecting the rivalry? Maybe when the coaching staff starts adjusting and respecting football in its entirety I'll be more eager to watch. 3 years removed from a coach who didn't improve enough and we have a coach who has actually destroyed the offensive side of the ball. It's a disgrace that will likely continue because of stubborness and ignorance. But I'm not a fan unless I support this nonsense? GTFO
that 1969 M team was actually good, unlike this one.
we'll get curb stomped.
How dare the fans have a logical reaction to what they see on the field. And never compare Bo to Hoke ever.
This week on the board is eerily similar to the week before OSU in 2008.
Spoiler alert: we have terrible football coaches and are going to lose the game.