2018 class thoughts

Submitted by reddogrjw on

with a lot of conversation, predictions, etc. in other threads, I thought I would bring it to one central thread

class size is looking to be 21-25

with a max 25 class in 2017 (plus 5 back dated to 2016), 25 looks to be the max

with expected departures mentioned here and TTB we could take 21 in the class and be at 88 on signing day (you can go 3 over) based on a majority of the 2017 RS Seniors not getting invited back - could always change of course

as far as positionally, my best guess is:

1 - QB (DTR or Shough - with DCaff and Peters might be hard to get DTR)

2 - RB - Christian Turner getting CB's

3 - RB - Tavion Thomas (who go to OSU who already have 2 RB commits?)

4 - WR - only 1 in this class with 5 last class - St. Brown, Babb, Dotson or Schwartz

5 - TE - Mallory

6 - TE - Jordan, Ruckert, Muhammed, Epps, others

7 - TE -

8 - G - Ekiyor

9 - T - Mayfield

10 - T - Ryan Hayes

11 - OL - Ghirmai, Dunlap or Faalele

12 - DT - Fryday

13 - DT - Togiai, Michael Thompson or someone

14 - SDE - Hutchinson

15 - DL - Hardy, Booker, or Perkins

16 - LB/S - Reese

17 - LB - Gant, Demens,

18 - DB - Sims

19 - DB - Simon

20 - DB - ITR

21 - DB - Faustin

 

spots 22-25 would depend on which other players leave to create these open slots

 

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adding here so people see it

 

 

http://mgoblog.com/content/michigan-depth-chart-class-0

assume Drake Johnson does not get his 6th year to put us at 85

lose Shelton Johnson, Alex Malzone and Grant Perry = 82

2017 is the last year for O'Korn, Isaac, Poggi, Hill, Cole, Kugler, Hurst, McCray = gets us to 74

no 5th year for Ways, Harris, JBB, Marshall, Furbush, Wangler and Watson gets us to 67

class size of 21 puts us at 88 which is the max allowable at signing day

 

also, Mone could turn pro as well

reddogrjw

April 9th, 2017 at 1:10 PM ^

http://mgoblog.com/content/michigan-depth-chart-class-0

 

assume Drake Johnson does not get his 6th year to put us at 85

lose Shelton Johnson, Alex Malzone and Grant Perry = 82

2017 is the last year for

O'Korn, Isaac, Poggi, Hill, Cole, Kugler, Hurst, McCray = gets us to 74

no 5th year for Ways, Harris, JBB, Marshall, Furbush, Wangler and Watson gets us to 67

class size of 21 puts us at 88 which is the max allowable at signing day

ThadMattasagoblin

April 9th, 2017 at 2:19 PM ^

But then you're discounting future transfers in the next year in a half. This spring we had three alone. There are probably going to be more as guys like Kingston Davis in the 2016 and 2017 class see that they're stuck behind people.

Bambi

April 9th, 2017 at 1:19 PM ^

I'd be shocked if all of Ways, Harris, JBB, Marshall, Furbush, Wangler and Watson didn't get 5th years. JBB is still in competition for a starting spot, we have no proven WRs as of now so there's a decent chance one if not both of Ways and Harris earn a 5th year, and our lack of dpeth on defense right now means any of the rest of those guys can earn a 5th year. I'm sure we'll see a few of those guys leave, but assuming all of them are gone is probably not gonna happen.

reddogrjw

April 9th, 2017 at 1:25 PM ^

doubt he returns

if Furbush and Wangler are backups with Anthony and Singleton coming in I doubt they get 5th years

with 8 other WR in the 2016 and 2017 classes I doubt Ways returns - Harris could stay and Mone go pro - roster size would be the same

if Watson is behind Hill, Long and Thomas at CB I doubt he returns

 

the bottom line is we have tons of talent and if a 5th year senior isn't starting and we need the scholarship spot it is unlikely they return

reddogrjw

April 9th, 2017 at 1:58 PM ^

nice 5th year guy, or higher ceiling freshman?

 

we have 7-8 LB's that will be freshman and sopomores in 2017 so as sopomores and juniors do we need a 5th year senior as a backup (as an example)

 

if Watson has been surpassed by Ambry Thomas, David Long and Lavert Hill, he's down to the 4th CB at best

 

so it depends on if it is an area of really solid depth or not

 

WR and LB are VERY deep as is DL

 

If Ulizio, Filiaga, Stueber are all ahead of JBB, maybe the spot isn't saved for him

 

a lot depends on the depth at the position

bronxblue

April 9th, 2017 at 2:26 PM ^

There are maybe a couple of older players who could be backups (JBB, Furbush, and maybe Watson), but a lot for these guys have struggled to successfully see the field or perform when they are out there. A quality backup is only valuable if he provides quality performance. If not, they are just keeping a seat warm, and if you have a degree in hand I don't think the assumption should be age assures you a spot.

SeattleWolverine

April 9th, 2017 at 2:26 PM ^

Eh. We brought back Kugler as a 5th year who has hardly played. Drake Johnson and Isaac figure to be like 4th and 5th stringers yet are back as 5th/6th. Tried to get a 6th for Clark who wasn't really a starter. There's value to experienced depth if they can at least be on the 2 deep. I get where you are coming from on the older guys, but you might be overvaluing all of these new recruits. You've already got Anthony and Singleton ahead other guys, based on...their recuiting profiles? Sure, JBB is pretty meh, but a guy who starts games as a sophomore and is rumored to at least be in competition for a starting spot and certainly on the 2 deep as a junior isn't the type of guy who gets kicked to the curb as a senior. 

 

On the flip side, there will be unanticipated attrition and depth chart losses. 

Mr Miggle

April 10th, 2017 at 9:45 AM ^

I understand they aren't guaranteed, but you still want to leave room for some on the 85 man roster. We've had several scholarship walkons pretty much every year. Not just seniors being rewarded with an open one. There's no reason to think 2018 will be different. That goes hand in hand with Harbaugh's walkon recruiting.

Magnus

April 10th, 2017 at 10:09 AM ^

"I understand they aren't guaranteed, but you still want to leave room for some on the 85 man roster."

It's not an 85-man roster. It's a 105-man roster to start fall practices (and more after that), and I would argue that you DON'T want to leave room for walk-ons to get scholarships. Walk-ons getting scholarships means that you've whiffed on players and/or players have been injured. Having walk-ons who are good enough to be scholarship players is a luxury.

And while there's at least one guy who fits that description every year (Kovacs, Kerridge, the Glasgows, etc.), if we're being honest, most walk-ons who earn scholarships are good-but-not-great players. The hope is that at a place like Michigan, you're not counting on someone like Kovacs (who went undrafted and spent some time in the NFL as a backup) to be a key player, but instead you're plugging in a guy who can be big enough, fast enough, smart enough, etc. to be all-conference, get drafted in the first few rounds, etc.

Regardless, life isn't cut-and-dried. Things are always going to happen to trim a team's number of scholarship players down below the limit, so it's going to be very rare that you can't offer any scholarships to walk-ons.

bacon

April 9th, 2017 at 1:02 PM ^

It's about time for Harbaugh and Michigan to start reeling in the top TEs in America. With the success our TEs have had, the ability for young guys to come in and make a huge impact, and Harbaugh being a great recruiter, we should be a Mecca for top TEs now.

OwenGoBlue

April 9th, 2017 at 1:15 PM ^

They have (Asiasi) and will. The lack of a top 2017 TE was probably guys looking at the monster group of TEs who would have 3+ years of eligibility left when they got on campus (Asiasi, Wheatley, Eubanks, Gentry). With no TEs in 2017 and Butt/Asiasi leaving they'll have a great TE class again this year.

MtP Michigan Man

April 9th, 2017 at 1:05 PM ^

beef on the O-line, more fast, cover DBs. Not worried about skill players, they will be in adundance. We get the O-line rolling, we can start competing in playoffs...

Gucci Mane

April 9th, 2017 at 1:11 PM ^

When I look at the numbers I have a hard time finding more than 17 spots in this class. There are only 9 Seniors who are sure to be gone.

JTrain

April 9th, 2017 at 2:42 PM ^

...want to see some truly elite DLine anchor dudes. Seems like osu and bama and sec schools get all these guys.
I realize we got Gary and Solomon but I'm talking war daddy anchor NG type guys. Hot, sweaty walk around on 20 degree day with a light hoodie on and be perfectly comfortable guys. Come to Michigan fellas. COME TO MICHIGAN.

Maizen

April 9th, 2017 at 4:17 PM ^

Tons? That barely fills out a two deep, and most of those guys haven't played.

Ideally you want somehwere around 15 OL on the roster at all times.

Clarence Boddicker

April 9th, 2017 at 5:28 PM ^

Well, I think historically we can see the effect of class relations in changes to political systems over time. In other words, class conflict IS a political struggle, and race is a tool of the wealthy elite in that struggle... wait... you were asking about recruiting! Sorry. Carry on.