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That being said beilein should keep them in the gym right now to shoot 100 FTs each. 3-9 is unacceptable.
Who would've thunk Nebraska would go 11 for 11 at the charity stripe?
This team is finding ways to win and I absolutely love it. GRIII showing emotion all game looked like a beast. Walton with some clutch buckets...I'm happy.
I've had my frustrations with Walton, but without him we probably lose this one. He's coming along exactly as he needs to, straight down to the ice water in his veins.
That baseline drive into traffic for the finish and one was incredible.
And the Jordan Morgan bunny doesn't go for someone else.
Goodness gracious. I love 2014. I love Michigan.
I said when we lost tough games to ISU, Charlotte and Arizona that those would help us moving forward. This team had to learn how to close, if not, it would've killed them late in the year.
They had to feel heartbreak and realize that you have to take it to a level you never thought you had when the game is on the line.
They also had to define roles at the end of the game.
They've done all of these things.
I miss McGary like heck, but this is a sneaky dangerous team.
Agree to a certain extent. The team still can't hit free throws in the last 5 minutes, but they have a will, play together, and have a great leader in Coach B.
This team cannot hit free throws all game.
has not played better in the final minutes of games. they are still playing terrible D and missing ft's.
they are also not playing isu and arizona.
Than making FTs and losing?
They ARE playing better. Watch the fricking game and you'll see that.
It's about stops and key buckets.
If you miss a FT, then you likely have to get a stop. Who gives a shit if you miss, but get a stop and win?
If you miss a FT and they score, then the team didn't finish. You can blame the FT shooter and the defense.
FT shooting can absolutely come back to bite you in the butt...and you need to make shots, but more importantly, you need to win.
I don't care if we don't hit one shot down the stretch, if we're up 1...they better not score. If you do that, obviously you win.
DEFENSE is the most important part of the game down the stretch, even more so than free throws.
I know Uncle Drew and Bill Russell say the game is "always about getting buckets." And that's true, but in crunch time, you have to put the clamps on...otherwise it doesn't matter how many FTs you make.
is that the mere result of winning one close game vs. losing a different close game--when the two games are played against two different opponents--is not evidence that you played better in the winning game than the losing game.
if you play terribly against a bad team, you can still win. if you play terribly against a good team, you will lose.
you can't use the result of us winning against minny and nebraska to compare the execution down the stretch in the isu game and arizona game to the execution down the against minny and nebraska and say that it improved. the reality is that the execution was equally terrible. the difference is that we were playing worse teams, and we had luck on our side in the win.
so ultimately why am i saying this? because i don't think that you should use the fact that we won a close game against minny or nebraska as evidence that we could out-execute a good team like wisconsin, msu, or osu down in crunch-time. the evidence is that we are bad down the stretch, and will likely fail against a good team.
But watching the game, it felt like Michigan was actually giving a lot of effort on defense, while Nebraska was just hitting a lot of tough shots. I understand the "Big deal it was just Nebraska" crowd, but at the same time watching the game you had a feel for how badly Nebraska wanted this game, and it felt like on this night a Herculean effort was needed to come home with a win. It could have easily gone the other way.
I think a lot of people around here and elsewhere underestimate the teams Michigan is playing. Their first loss was 77-7 to the still undefeated and currently ninth ranked Iowa Cyclones. Second loss was to a currently 10-4 Charlotte team. Third loss was to number #10 Duke. The last loss was to #1 Arizona. When you factor in that every team wants to knock off Michigan like they are Omar from The Wire because they went to the NC last year, along with the extreme youth and unfortunate injuries on the team, 11-4 starts to look pretty damn impressive.
Iowa State: 14-0
Total: 52-7 (88.1%)
Also, obviously you meant 77-70 in the loss to Iowa State.
The force-field kept that point-blank tip shot from going in!
Much like Mr Novak. I hate losing more than i like winning.
Successfully avoided a loss. I am pleased.
A great "must win road game".
Thought they had the tip in. THEY DIDN'T THOUGH!!! GO BLUEEE
That game was way too frightening and stress inducing... o.O
I'll take it.
Any road win is a good win.
I came here to say this, and since I can't up-vote I can just say yes I agree. True words were said here.
Who would have thought 2014 would be so good to UofM and it's alums/fans? Hopefully this trend carries through the remaining season and continues with the other teams ! :)
This is going to be a posbang, isn't it?
The team is starting to figure it out....they will make the tourney
GR3 deserves apologies from most Michigan fans lately.
Thankfully that's balanced out by most Michigan fans deserving apologies (and xanax) for having to watch this man-to-man defense.
Why? This shows how "off" he was for most of the OOC season. Only recently did he start playing up to expectations.
"He's awful, doesn't have any skills, great athlete/rec league basketball player, derppppppppppppppppppp"
It got pretty stupid earlier this year. Way further than "geez guys, he's not playing up to expectations!"
Consult pretty much any basketball thread on this site in the first month of the year.
"he's awful" would have to be a troll, and I'd be shocked if more than one or two people ever said that here. It's certainly not "most Michigan fans" who owe him an apology.
You're overstating the nature of the criticisms. He wasn't playing like a star earlier in the season and that was the nature of the bulk of the commentary, which was factually accurate.
No, I'm really not. I'm tempted to go back and show you, but it's not worth the effort. There would be 20 post stretches of nothing but GR3 trashing.
there was a consistent group suggesting he had no heart and no ball skills--and that the idea he would be a 1st round draft pick crazy. I suspect those were many of the same people who said similar things about Timmy.
I am one of those who need to apologize. I did post I thought it was odd he was being told he was a first round pick. I don't think he's the second coming or anything but he is playing like he deserves the accolades that were heaped upon him.
And I really thought to myself while listening to the game, I should bring this up here. But I was beaten to the punch.
People were saying some pretty questionable things about Glenn back in late November/early December. The game and snowflake threads were full of vitrol toward him in games that Michigan lost and/or in which he didn't play well.
To be fair none were on the order of some of the criticisms leveled against Devin but they were still pretty bad in their own right.
on the GR III bandwagon when a number of fans jumped off.
Thanks, Dan Jakich.
Oooh...I must be in the front row.
coming up on the right side of close games is the hallmark of a winner. Kids are getting better, fast. And, tons of stuff to work on to improve. Got to do better guarding guys out at the perimeter. Hope that this is fixable with focus, and not just the fact that we have bad footspeed.
I LOVE 2014!!!!!!!!!!
Tight games are probably going to even out in the end. Any road win is a good win!!!
The title says snowflakes, but the feel of the thread is much more that of a posbang thread. So, WOOO! 2014! Glenn Robinson really showed a lot in this game! Wooo! So did Stauskas in almost a closer role like Trey Burke! Woo! Winning!
Did I miss something? Isn't Nebraska supposed to the worst basketball school in the Big Ten? I had to work all night so I didn't get to see it... are they actually good, or are we struggling?
Is by far the worst team. The 9-11 spots are some combination of Penn State Nebraska and Purdue, depending on who you ask. This was a good win, as Nebraska is tough to beat on their home court, sell out crowd, etc. Their coach is really building a solid program in Lincoln.
Agree Nebraska is in the 9-11 range, but they're probably going to land in the 9 spot. Petteway is good. We could get a bye to the big ten tourney, but my guess is we finish in the 5th spot again with MSU, OSU, Wisconsin, Iowa in front of us. Only other team that I think has a real shot of finishing in the top 5 is Illinois. Finishing 6th in the big Ten should guarantee a spot in the tourney. So our goal should be that or higher.
who would have thought michigan could win a basketball game that came down to a defensive possession!!
gotta say, GRIII was a complete player tonight. his defense is always spectacular but he scored in just about every way tonight including hitting shots all over the floor, a thunderous alley oop, and a dunk on the break off his own steal which covered for a stauskas turnover at the clock was getting low. stauskas looked great shooting and especially passing, jordan morgan was brilliant, lavert had a few signature circus layups, and walton showed some flashes. the crucial turnover when it was tied near the end was awful but he made up for it (sort of) by driving into contact and willing his way to a tough basket and a shot at the line, which of course he missed. given his phenomenal half court halftime buzzer beater, i can forgive the missed free throw.
i liked also that beilein was far less conservative than usual with his timeouts, calling several to prevent the game from getting out of hand, and always showing good adjustments on the return to play.
Can't remember the last time we won a close game after missing so many free throws.
Coach JB, I'd schedule an early morning free throw practice for Saturday! Almost cost is the game!!
Bill Walton taking shots at Michigan for some reason on ESPN. Because UCLA has won so many big games in the recent years. What a joke!
Seriously what was that about?
What was numbnuts saying, exactly?!
And why on earth was he even speaking of Michigan, thousands of miles away from whereever it is he roams?
He said something along the lines of Michigan doesn't win many big games. I guess he stopped watching the tourney last year after UCLA was eliminated.
he was announcing the arizona ucla game and referenced arizona's quality win over michigan: a great program, but cant ever win the big game. That might not be verbatim. Had a little venom in the way he said it for sure.
After the M game, I flipped over to the UCLA-Arizona game, which was tied at the time. Despite that, I turned it off when I realized Walton was announcing. His antagonism towards Webber was the beginning of the end for me and Bill
He seems to hate Michigan for some reason. He always badmouthed the Fab Five.
I was just going to post something to that effect. I really wonder what his problem is with UMich.
Of course that tip in was not going to go in... it's 2014!!!
Yeah I think is quickly turning into a POS BANG! Any win on the road in the Big Ten is a big win!
Anyone else as nervous as I am that Stauskas is heading to the NBA after this season?
I thought for sure he was going to be a 4 year player, now I'm not so sure...
I think he'll pull a TH jr. and do one more year to try to get into the first round, but I gotta say the kid is one hell of a player.
You're absolutely right, he's one hell of a player.
I can't fault him for leaving if he chooses, he's got the talent to go.
I was just hoping he'd be one of those 4 year guys that you just dream about. Either way, he's got 100% support from me!
I'm not seeing him in any mocks. Love him now, I just don't think he's considered much of a NBA prospect.
2014, I like you. Go Blue!
Clutch shot by Walton a the end there, but it's starting to become a trend with him missing clutch free throws down the stretch. He needs to get that fixed ASAP.
To be fair, I watched him clang a couple of FTs in the first half as well, so... at least he is consistent?
He is what, a 70% FT shooter? He should be better than that, especially if he is going to take the ball at the end of close games.
Double love for 2014 i just broke 1000 MGoPoints!!1
B1G Win tonight
Nebraska played a hell of a game. Scrappy bunch
GRIII has turned a corner and become an aggressive player out there. Trash taking, posting up, playing like a man after his 20th bday. This kid is going to be special baby! (So sick of Dickie V)
Stauskas and Morgan running the pick and roll gave me flashbacks to JMo and DMo making it happen. Passing over the top to create easy buckets. Love it.
Derrick Walton needs a moniker. Thoughts?
Keep it rolling baby.
That is all
17 points/5 rebounds. With GRIII, frontcourt put up 36 points on lights-out shooting. Woud love to have more than 9 rebounds from that crowd, but as we play the more physical teams in the conference, would help if we can continue to get that kind of production.
to include Jon in your stats--as Morgan was 15 pts and 4 rebounds
Thank 2014, for reminding me what it feels like to win a close game rather than being on the other side.
I'll happily take a road win in the BIG ten any day.
If there's any more reinforcement you need to know that 2013 sucked, it's the fact that beating Nebraska in basketball is celebratory thread-worthy.
This team needs to shore up its defense - particularly in keeping other teams out of the lane. Nebraska scored on what seemed like 10 straight posessions down the stretch and most of those were layups. We did play good D on Petteway on the last posession but did not box out - frankly we are lucky their guy missed a bunny tip in...
That said, win's a win and on to the next one! Coach B please fix the D!
Maybe there really is something to this 2013/2014 thing... Excluing, you know, that whole Final Four run.
It was the Fall 2013 semester that was the problem.
That cheap foul on Morgan that put Nebraska on the line for one and one late is the same way we lost to Arizona. I don't know how you call that if you are a ref when its 20 feet from the basket.
Yea because I'm sure the defense would've come up with a big stop...
Take my chances. Better than having them shoot freethrows.
You call it cuz it was an obvious foul. Actually a smart foul cuz Morgan was mismatched against that guy
Would have to take another look at it then. In live motion I thought it was weak. I was more so complaining about the refs during the Arizona game with that comment.
2014 is the year of the Wolverine in the Chinese zodiac. True fact, look it up.
I realize I'm an idiot, but I actually looked this up. Its the year of the horse. Why the long face?
On another note, that was a pretty good game and Nebraska played pretty well. I'm glad M found a way to win down the stretch even if it may have been a bit harder than originally expected.
Our bigs look like they have no clue how to defend the pick and roll. Its bad... We need to get it fixes like NOW
Jordan Morgan is one of the best at hedging the pick and roll in the big ten.
We were switching several of those (with Stauskas in particular), but we were getting beat off straight dribble penetration, not ball screens. Have been for a couple games now.
who stands too stiff to hedge or get back to his man. Couldn't be more wrong about Morgan--who hedges now and for the past 4 years about as well as anyone in the Big Ten.
GR3 - beast mode activated... and has been for about 6 games now. Today was the complete package, though.
Some costly turnovers late, but then that and-1 from Walton was huge.
We're still struggling at keeping perimeter players out of the paint... I wonder if some 1-3-1 will be in the future against the better teams.
You mean the and-1 minus the 1?
Given the FT shooting, I am a hell of a lot more happy that the hoop went in and we got 1 shot instead of 2...
It was a great finish through the contact.
What do you mean by perimeter players? If the player is a perimeter player then they aren't really looking to be effective in the paint (by definition). So are perimeter players becoming drivers/paint players as a result of bad defense that allows them to be something they really aren't or is the use of perimeter not the best choice here?
Ka pooo yah.... ka pooo yah
Have never seen GRIII display that much emotion. The whole game he was hyped up. Love it
Wheee! 2014 for president of all the years!
Very happy about the win and the fact that it was a road win... However, I'm a little scared that we just couldn't seem to put away a very mediocre Nebraska team.
Nebraska in front of a sell out crowd, pumped for their first home game in B1G play.
When you're a pretty good team, your defense isn't clicking, and Nebraska is just hitting some shots, I think you just take a win like this on the road.
Mich was a 5.5 pt fave at the sportsbooks, and projected to win by 4 by Kenpom ( which doesn't know about McGarys injury). 1pt win isn't that far off expectations and if Mich had made free throws or Nebraska didn't go crazy from 3 they'd have been right on. Still lotta issues on D guarding screen roll that need to be fixed. But I expect Nebraska is better than NW an PSU and could compete with purdue for 9th in league.
I am glad he is on our side.
GRIII is looking better every game. Stauskis looked strong. I hope Lavert can pick it up. Walton seems to be slowly coming around and you had to love the first half buzzer beater.
for 10 points. He had 5 assists and 3 rebounds in 33 minutes. Stauskas was 5/9, 12 points, 4 assists and 3 rebounds in 35 minutes.
Good win there at the end. Kept thinking we would (and should) pull away from them in the second half, but we will take a close road win.
Now we've got the Wings tied after 1 thanks to another beauty from Tatar.
And rotations were very slow tonight as well. Easily allowed Nebraska into the lane far too often. Whether their hedging screens or pushing screens into wing help, they can't allow the guy with the ball into paint so easily and expect the other team to miss.
I felt watching that Nebraska did a lot of aimless dribbling, had looping drives, and made lots of cuts to nowhere (or to spots that weren't beneficial), but the defense just didn't respond.
That said, the offense did (outside of free throws). Bigs are doing what they need to do when given good looks and the SOs are really stepping it up. Walton needs to work on his entry pass into the high post against the zone though, but he made up for it with the big basket at the end.
When it's all said and done....I think Stauskas goes down as the best white basketball player of all time.
...yes I'm aware of Larry Bird.
Lmao. I'll put a grand up against that
Yeah, no....... And I'm a Lakers fan.
Uhhh...You ever heard of a guy named.....
I don't think we have been great at FT for years now
In case many of you missed it/this hasn't been posted anywhere else... :
Timmy doin work! Some nice elevation there.
We have a lot of work to do each day in order to make this season a success (conference play). Better to win than lose. That's about it for tonight
Thank god this went in.
Watching the student sections hands go to their heads gets me every time. I LOVE 2014
You can lose on the road anywhere in the B1G. I was glad to see GR3 more aggressive and taking more shots on the block.
2013 did bring us a Final 4 victory. She wasn't tooooooo hard on us.
2014 LETS GOOOOOO. THIS IS THE BEST YEAR EVER ERMAGERDDDD
3-0 in the conference, I'll take it. Win on Tuesday vs Penn State and we'll meet a for sure undefeated team in Madison. That will be a big test for us, but if our starters play like they did today, and if we can get a little more production from Irvin and Horford off the bench, I like our chances vs anyone in the B1G
Well. A win is a pretty big positive. Well take what we can get until these guys start to gel. I refuse to prematurely count Belein teams out after the run we had last year and the progress of our younger players. Yes that's not really analysis but winning is positive.
Complete team effort tonight
this is one of those games which reminds you that stats don't always tell the truth about performance. Nik and Caris had very similar stats, but from a real-world perspective it wasn't close. Nik played a good to very good game--Caris not so much. Putting aside recent shooting issues, Caris as "elite defender" should have been our best match up with Nebraska's dribble-drivers. He was no better (albeit not necessariuly worse) than anyone else.
oy ve what an ugly game. Take the win and pretend it didn't happen.
Oh, I'm 20 now? Allow me to exhibit all facets the fans have been waiting for. Inside, outside, mid-range, above the rim and all over the baseline. The fire in his eyes and the GRowlll! Sure hope it becomes the norm.
It was a little close, of course, but you do have to like these situations when we're really on our game from a shooting standpoint. We were 31 of 50 from the field and had an effective FG% of 68.00% - that's rather good. We only managed four offensive rebounds, and I think the lack of second chance baskets probably contributed to making this closer than it should have been, as well as being only 33.33% from the stripe - need to make those. Good game though, and an addition to a great start to conference play.
Nice. MOAR please!
Life on the road isn't easy...but we prevailed.
Two road wins already in B1G play. No matter who you are playing, those are hard to come by.
I'm in the "any road with in the Big 10 is good" mentality. Remember when a Trey Burke and Tim Hardaway led team went to Penn St last year in a very important game and lost? A Penn St. team without the services of their best player? Yeah, I do too. Nebraska may not be an upper echelon B1G hoops team, but it's still gravy to pull out a victory away from home. Nebraska will beat a few people at home this year...I'm just glad it wasn't us.
(1) GRIII seemed to be amped up on the defensive end. Nice.
(2) We need someone to step up defensively against the dribble penetration. Petteway was driving at will last night.
(3) Walton is getting more comfortable. I see good things ahead.
(4) Front court depth sure is nice, isn't it? Morgan and Horford may not be All Big 10 caliber, but they are experienced and effective B1G players. McGary's injury leaves a huge void, but we can still win games with our current roster.