Ugh. I just can't right now.
2014 UM v OSU Matchup
After today it should be pretty clear that matchups go out the window for this game. I appreciate that it's a fun exercise, but I'm just sayin, there are 364 days until then. That's a lot of nights out in Columbus to get arrested.
I admire your spunk but I am pretty tired of the "we'll get em' next year" every year.
If Fickell is gone, the defense will be good. Otherwise, it won't.
He's the anti Borges.
I want to upvote this so bad.
Today we discovered what happened when a resistible force meets a movable object.
Only reason I thought we should have run the ball on the 2pt play (HB draw maybe?) was because Fickell is too much of a pussy to bring pressure there.
This is kind of a shitty answer but as long as there is talent on both ends, this game is a toss up. I mean, Michigan was a 14 point unranked underdog today and they were a two point conversion from upsetting a national title contender.
The game was close last year too, with an injured Michigan QB, and close the year before that with a freshman OSU QB.
Um, I think the game will be close.
Michigan should be undefeated heading into The Horseshoe next year. With all the returning experience next season, it's Big Ten Champions or bust. Absolutely NO excuses for underachieving next year.
And it will be awesome to go to Ohio next year and cap off an undefeated regular season. If Ohio is undefeated it will be that much sweeter.
Undefeated heading to Columbus? I'm not so sure about that. Michigan is still bad on the road, and the team plays a couple of tough road games (ND, MSU, Northwestern).
The schedule is soft, but the tougher games are all on the road.
I have very high expectations of Michigan Football. The Big Ten is a joke. If Hoke can't win the league by his 4 season, you really have to wonder if he's the right guy.
We have to beat Appalachian state. Let's win that first. If the wrong al borgess shows up....well....nuf said
I like the enthusiasm, but after ND this year most thought 9 wins would be low balling this team. I'm just going to take it one game at a time and celebrate each win each week.
Named after Jhonny Peralta?
Miller will probably return, although there were a few rumblings about him going pro. His backup, Guiton, will be gone after this year though, so depth could be a concern.
I have no idea what he'll do but it wouldn't surprise me if he left early. His draft status will not be higher than it is now, considering they'll be breaking in 4 new OL, a new RB. And there is a decent chance he'll have a B1G championship in his belt and maybe a nat'l championship game appearance.
I'm excited about next year. I think the loss of Lewan and Schofield will more than be mitigated by the maturing of the line, especially on the interior. I'm excited about replacing Gallon and Reynolds with Harris and Darboh, giving us four sold WR (Chesson, Funchess, Darboh, & Harris.) Plus, between Ways, Duke, & York, someone might step up.
I believe that our defensive line will only get stronger, and we'll do more against their offensive line.
Gardner has been through the wars, and Morris will be more capable in backing him up.
Green and Smith will be solid.
On defense, Peppers will only help, along with the maturing of the rest of the defensive backs. Our linebackers will be stronger.There will be more depth everywhere. I do expect we'll lose several games next year, but I'm looking forward to facing Ohio more than I have for a long time.
That's an interesting hidden point. If Florida would be so quick triggered, Coach Meyer would hire Mus in a nano sec, and Ohio would be nearly sixties level Woody Hayes unstoppable in MHO.
I really hope this was a big wake up call for this team, staff and athletic department. That kind of play, heart and effort and we still fall short...what more does it take to get over the hump?
Michigan is going to win.
A year from now on this day, November 30, 2014, we will be celebrating & reflecting on a Michigan win in columbus.
First win there since 2000. It's going to happen. Bookmark this page.
I agree with you and it's not just hope. Cutting right to the bottom line Michigan will be better at almost every position next year and Ohio will not. It's a shame M didn't win today because that was a monumental effort the likes of which we haven't seen going back to at least the Cap One vs. Florida (and Meyer), and probably further back than that. Today was a coming of age for the O-Line and they will be better next year even with replacing the tackles.
Also, the Meyer superior-coach meme should be shut down for now. That may be the biggest surprise of the day.
To put it short and sweet:
Michigan returns almost the entire team. Ohio does not.
That is all
"364 more days 'til next year's hockey try-outs. Gotta toughen up!"
But seriously, I can't remember Michigan facing, in my time (earliest memory '97 season), a tougher running back than Hyde. Sure, they faced some high NFL draft picks. I already have plans of picking Hyde in next years fantasy draft.
Hyde is gone. Nobody will be able to fill his shoes. The dude is the RB-equivalent of Shaq.
Derrick Green is going to have a better career. If he's doing what he's doing with this tattered offensive line, just imagine what will happen when this OL is consistently good.
Let's hope so. Factor in Deveon Smith and Damien Harris come 2015... God damn it, I just wish we could be talking about how good the current UM team is. This shit has been going on too long!
/transitions from beer to whiskey
Agreeing with you on this one too - we saw flashes of the feet and vision today. Green and Smith are going to be formidable.
Drafting an Ohio State RB in fantasy is never a good idea. Beanie Wells ruined me forever. They always end up sucking (save Eddie George who averaged a staggering 3.5 yards a carry for Jeff Fisher's Titans).
Beanie always killed Michigan. I remember he always rushed for a ton in The Game. Wells rushed for over 200 in 2007.
He went for 222 in 2007, Hyde went for 226 yesterday. No line under Bollman has been as good as thus years line though, so take it for what it's worth.
It wasn't just the line. There were so many times where Michigan players would be in position near Hyde at the line of scrimmage, and he would either drag them, break the tackle, or even juke them to pile on the yards.
That dude looked better than Beanie Wells.
Never to early for a Beat ohio
Will Dunn ever be the starting RB?
He refuses to play special teams, so probably not. My guess is that Elliott starts next year with Smith as his backup.
Refuses to play? How do you do that?
As the feature back? Probably ont. EzE is a true frosh, and he looks pretty good.
As the feature back? Probably ont. EzE is a true frosh, and he looks pretty good.
Even though today wasn't close to being Al Borges' "fault," he will still be this year's sacrificial lamb. So, next year will be dependent upon who gets brought in as OC. If David Brandon wants to see a great example of "downhill running," maybe he should look at Ohio's last drive out of the spread and say, "why can't we get one of those here at Michigan?"
Are you convinced Borges will be gone? While I sure hope so, after today's performance, and Brady's constant public support of him, I'm not so sure.
That is to say, I hope Borges remains. It would be wrong to cut him (or Funk, for that matter) before next year at the earliest. If, with next year's brutal schedule, Michigan should win at least 9 games, with at least one of those wins being against Ohio or MSU, he should get another year. I don't think it is fair to judge Hoke (or Borges, or Funk, or Mattison) prior to 2015. If they all are allowed to stay, we're going to see some wonderful things happening as we go forward.
Wait...you want Borges back??? Please tell me why...
For starters he called an outstanding game today against a heavily favored opponent, scoring six touchdowns.
The rest is longer than I care to type at this hour but I'm in the camp that says it's near impossible to produce an effective offensive gameplan with a completely ineffective interior O-Line. There just aren't any credible options. That line started to play much better today and look what happened.
I'm aware this isn't the popular opinion around here. However either way I think Borges is coming back
Shouldn't he have been able to get better production from the offensive line? Did the offensive line change from today and ND compared to MSU, Iowa, Nebraska, etc? Why are you so high on one good performance, but not concerned with all the poor ones? What about Gardner's issues and the general regression of the offense minus Indiana (poor defensive talent) and OSU?
I'm not high on one good performance and I'm not saying I want him or don't want him back, just pointing out the reasons he probably will be. ND was early and we hadn't been scouted for these flaws yet. Yesterday the O-Line took a major step forward and it opened everything up.
That's not to say Borges shouldn't have done more to compensate but with the middle of the line cratering repeatedly it was going to be difficult.
that our defense to be better next year compared to this year since we don't lose much in the way of senior talent and we get Peppers(hopefully).
Offense is an interesting question since we lose Gallon and Lewan. I think our running game will be much improved but our passing game may take a step back. It'll all depend on how much Drake Harris and Amara Darboh live up to their billing. Hoping a more experienced & healthy Gardner will be the difference maker.
I think Gallon will be a big loss for us next year, and we lose Dileo also don't we? The receiving core might not be as strong as this year, but hopefully Funchess + Chesson/Darboh can make up the difference
Don't forget Butt and some of the other young guys who redshirted. Not as thin as we have been.
Darboh, Chesson, Funchess, Butt, Drake Harris, Hayes/Norfleet in the slot, DaMario Jones, Khalid Hill, Csonte York, Jaron Dukes, Freddy Canteen, Maurice Ways, Ian Bunting (who I think will RS so he can fill out his huge Gronk like frame better)
Yeah, I think we're just fine at WR and TE.
Something tells me the boys, Canteen (WR) and Watson (CB), from the ECA are going to have a great college career. They are also EE's.
I'm on the Canteen wagon for 2014+.
I also think Canteen
Don't forget Drake Harris
I am seeing a lot of counting on true freshman in the comments. Have we not learned anything from Dymonte Thomas...and Green really. These are a top 1 RB and a top 100 player and both have limited contributions.
I hope Drake Harris and Peppers contribute next year but thinking difference makers for an entire unit will come from a freshman - whatever the ranking - is a big leap of faith. I expect these kids to be decent contributors but not the difference makers as freshman as some of you guys are already penciling them in.
To that end I think Stribling - from the snippets I have seen - is going to be an excellent senior and junior at UM. I think Blake was an excellent freshmen. But were these 'difference makers' as freshmen who changed the complexion of a unit? Same for Thomas, same for Green. Just be reasonable people...when you assess the team assess the sophomores thru seniors as a unit and then you throw on freshman contributing as icing. Like Butt - he is icing, coming into his own very late in the season after sporadic but solid contributions all year.
Also Black has been a major contributor this year and will be a loss. Henry is coming on. Pipkins still the jury is out. Cam Gordon - while above average and not great is a loss. We saw that today when we trotted out Furman + Avery. Next year you will have Wilson + I guess Dymonte who has nearly zero playing experience now. These are not things to gloss over. The LBs should be stout - love the early returns of Gedeon.
As for the matchups - OSU takes a step back at OL and RB, and I expect their defense to be better even if they lose Shazier since they are very young in the unit. But does it matter - we see today it doesnt matter much head to head. If will mean they are more apt to be upset somewhere along the line. I just hope we can count on a day when UM is favored on the road at Columbus. Playing at home vs the road means a lot at this age of player, as we see with UM almost every week.
I agree with you that we should not count on true freshman. Peppers is different however. He is the best player in the country and is already bigger and faster as a kid than any of our DBs on our team. He is bigger than our safeties and faster than our cornerbacks. He will be the best DB we have next year. I do think Stribling has a bright future. And, I'm not counting on Harris next year because he is too small at like 174lbs. I am also concerned about the safety position. In order for us to be favored in Columbus we need a lot to happen. Maybe when we have a returning starting QB, experienced lines on both sides, and when our talent is older. Offhand that sounds like 2016. Is that too depressing?
Peppers is the number 2 player in the entire country.
And Green became the starter before the season ended. Over a 5th year senior.
If you go by recruiting rankings there is a big difference between Green and Peppers. I only have ESPN access, so I can only speak to their rankings, but I can't imagine the others are far off. Green is a 4-star and Peppers is a 5-star. Green is an 87 and Peppers is a 95. That is 7 points in the rankings. That is like comparing Chris Bryant to David Dawson. Peppers is much higher ranked than Green. Both would be considered elite players. But, they are also completely different. Green is a big, strong kid with good speed, but if you look at his recruiting profile he still has weaknesses like pad level, getting tackled low, balance, and not a home run threat in terms of speed. Peppers on the other hand has the speed and foot skills of a CB and the body of a safety. He can play RB, catch the ball, and return kicks and punts. He is physical and is a good tackler and has good coverage skills. He has the ability to play a number of positions and is a mismatch at all of them. Plus he has the confidence and intelligence to go with it. He has no weakness. Green is by all accounts a good player. Peppers is a star.
Smith will probably be 4th on the Buckeye depth chart at RB. Elliot will almost certainly be #1, then Dunn and Ball (in either order), then Smith.
Fickell will most likely be gone, either as a Head Coach somewhere or else being relieved of his duties (probably the former). It's difficult to say what their defense will be like with a completely new coordinator. The LBs have been really weak (like, below average B10, not just below average OSU) for a few years now, and they're going to struggle unless that gets fixed. It will probably need to be fixed without Shazier, who IMHO would be foolish not to turn pro.
Ohio loses a lot on offense, but they have Urban and his scheme back. Rod Smith has not shown to be nearly the same Hyde became, but they have a lot of receiving experience.
They have a lot coming back on defense, but they have their defensive coaches coming back.
On D, their line will be excellent and deep. Bosa is a stud, an unlikeable bro and perfect for Ohio, but a stud nonetheless. LBs, meh except maybe Perry takes a step up. (I bet Shazier goes to the NFL.) The MLB Grant was not much this year, but he's young enough that he could developWere they in nickel the entire time? I can't recall an LB name called other than Perry and Shazier. They'll have talent in the secondary, but only Grant with experience. Two new starting safeties, we'll see.
Cam Williams played terrible yesterday in relief of an injured Grant yesterday when they weren't in the nickel
I don't think that's a foregone conclusion, is it? Meyer probably wouldn't make any changes until after the bowl game but OSU's defense has been their weak link the last two years.
It should be noted that you are listing the players' current experience, not what it will look like next year.
Next year, OSU's OL will look something like:
LT – Baldwin (Rs Sr) / chance of JuCo Mavety if he picks OSU
LG – Elfein (Rs So) [note: replaced M. Hall today]
C – Boren (Jr) [note: played a good deal early in year due to Linsley injury]
RG – Farris (Rs Jr) / Underwood (Rs Jr)
RT – Decker (Jr) [returning starter]
It will be a dropoff from 4 seniors on the OL, but not terribly different from the experience level of the 2012 OL.
Yes, I gave this year's eligibility so as not to confuse anyone. One thing to note however, is most of OSU's interior lineman instead of being like 6'4" or 6'5" and 315lbs are 6'2" or 6'3" and 290-295. Those are their current listed heights/weights so it may have been in fall camp and they may go up by next year too. But, they should have at least 2 interior lineman that are in their 3rd year.
Current True Freshman Evan Lisle will compete for a tackle spot, and so will Chase Farris, though he has been flipped around between DL and OL a few times. Farris was barely beat out by Decker this year. Current freshman Billy Price will compete with Boren at center, the coaches love him.
Conference champions. Don't care how many wins we have or who we beat. Just win the B1G. Nothing else matters
In offseason is fix the oline. However Funk coached it this year, do the exact opposite next year. Throw the dudes in the weight room, feed them steak and eggs, and don't let them come out until their squat goes up by 100 pounds each.
If Devin plays the way he did today, there isn't a team on the schedule next year that can beat us.
Wait... what?? They have ANOTHER Boren? Dios mios... Hopefully we give Boren #3 a losing record against M...
It all comes down to how the offense responds to losing Lewan and Gallon. Our defense should be the best in the big ten. I think we should get a pretty good combination on the OL out of Kugler, Bosch, Tuley-Tillman, Magnuson, Kalis, Glasgow, Dawson, Samuelson, Bryant, Fox, Braden.
The schedule is ridiculously weak.
I doubt LTT will be ready. Cautiously optimistic about the Oline next year. This year has shown me that although everyone talks about the tackles, the interior is way more important to the offense, and that's where our experience will be. Really hoping Kugler can be David Molk too.
will not start next season, I think he is a project who could do GREAT things but needs a lot of work.
Game is on the road. Sorry but Hoke can't win on the road. With Staee and Ohio both on the road next year Michigan is starting the year 0-2.
Hate to say it, but you're probably right. Would be nice to see some competence on the road next year. Maybe with a new O coordinator......
I have to say that statements like this about games which are basically a year away and made with no foreknowledge of how the 2014 team will perform (as it will not be completely the same) tend to bother me somewhat. The road record to date may not be impressive, but we don't really know what the introduction of new players, the maturity in the preferred schemes, the changes in experience and the corresponding changes on other teams will do to next year's results, home or away. These sort of pronouncements, at least to me, simply come across as unconfident at the present time.
We may be awful again on the road, but we may also turn a corner. At some point I fully believe we will turn a corner as our youth gains experience and our young talent gets more entrenched as the guys contrubuting in the 2-deep, it's just a matter of when. I think we will take a big step towards this next year and win a few big road games. In another year after that as our offensive moves from capable to good I think will continue forward with this. Then again, I could be wrong, but I'll remain hopeful for now.
John Falk reset the clock this evening
Is there any chance Braxton goes pro? I don't really think he has a chance in the nfl but just curious. I like our matchup with them a lot next year honestly. Take Hyde away from this game and we win. They will not have a power back like him next year and we seem to fare just fine against more spread-type running backs
No he doesn't have a career in the nfl I would b surprised if he succeeds
He could be a pretty good RB in the NFL, IMO.
I doubt it - he missed a few games this season and his passing still needs work. I think he comes back. Shazier might be gone, though.
He would be foolish not to go. Coming back after losing Hyde and 4 stating o-linemen would be a recipe for disaster for him.
I would like to think that atleast 1 of the 2013 receivers can contribute next year. Whether it's Damario, York, or dukes.
OSU's offense is going to be crazy young/inexperienced next year. The majority of starters are graduating, and so are some important two-deep players.
- Kenny G - 5th-year senior
- Carlos Hyde - Senior
- Jordan Hall - 5th Year Senior
- Corey Brown - Senior
- Devin Smith - RS Senior
- Jack Mewhort - RS Senior
- Andrew Norwell - Senior
- Marcus Hall - RS Senior
- Corey Linsley - RS Senior
Plus, Braxton has been rumored to consider leaving in order to provide for his newborn.
I don't even know what position Miller would play in the NFL. Certainly not QB. I guess the raiders could draft him as Pryor's backup. I don't know who else has use for a QB that can't throw.
Devin Smith is a RS junior, so unless he leaves early, he will be back
I predict that OSU's young o-line has zero of the historically bad play issues attributed to youth that we had, like every other leading CFB program except Michigan.
Well, given that their "young" Oline next year (see Shaun's post above) will all be in their 3rd-5th year of college, you're probably right that they won't have the same level of growing pains that Michigan's Oline had this year.
Yeah, I never expected them to be as bad as UM has been this year. But, I do think instead of pretty much winning the majority of matchups this season, we can win the majority next season. They won't be the worst offensive line in the conference like UM was, but they won't be the best like they were this year either. They only have to be bad enough so that UM can stop the run and pressure the QB with four. I think there's a solid chance that happens next year.
I think we finally win in Columbus next year and in 2015 we begin a winning streak finally against them. We will be out of the transition by next season at this time. We are due for a win, we should have a winning streak against them now having blown last years game and a chance yesterday. We will be fine. I still am hoping for some offensive changes to help with the development of this team. I think Miller will be back and that freshmen running back will b tough because honestly, whoever is in the backfield for ohio gets immediately better because of #5.
How can you say Michigan was not well-coached and prepared for yesterday's game? I'd agree on poor coaching for much of this season, but not for what we saw yesterday.
How could our o-line get any worse? Have you read any of Gandolf's assessments on the o-line and how the experience and talent of the tackles is not nearly as important as that of the guards and center?
So, you don't think all the big recruiting classes we've had under Hoke will ever be good enough to beat good teams on the road? You think we are destined to lose 3-5 games every year forever? If you don't think the reason we struggle on the road is because of youth, the offensive line play, an in-experienced QB, or the other popular beliefs? What do you suppose is the reason...is it merely coaching for you?
Personally I think it's youth and talent. Most of our upperclassman aren't as talented and most of talent is inexperienced. Next year is the first year that Hoke's first full recruiting class (2012) will be upperclassman (juniors). This and a returning starting QB is why I think we take a step forward and win some road games against better teams, but that's just me.
If we play like we did yesterday, we've got a chance. OSU loses a lot on offense, potentially Braxton as well, and on defense, loses 3 of 4 starters, and possibly Shazier along with them.
But then, I remember Hoke's woeful road performances, and wonder if talking about winning in Columbus is only kidding myself.
Its a rivalry, I dont think OSU losing people is going to matter much. It will be at their place and the young guys they replace those spots with wont be true freshman or anything. Other than Hyde and Shazier and on the OL they dont lose a whole lot - Roby has been underperforming most of the year.
Other than Hyde, Shazier, Roby, and their o-line??? You just named one of the best RBs, LBs, CBs, and o-line units in the country. You don't think those will hurt?