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2014 RB Jeff Jones offered (MIN commit)
Well, since they use an upside down W, I think that'd be us by default.
I'm just hoping the Manhattan College Jaspers don't sink their hooks into him.
that we beat them last night in basketball?
I really liked the way he looked last night and happy to see we are pursuing him.
According to Rivals he is also interested in both Iowa State and Florida. He has a visit scheduled with Florida on January 24th.
Damn...if only Michigan's offense looked as dangerous as Florida's.
Yes. Our Offensive Linemen need to start blocking each other on running plays.
Embarrassing loss, but lots of running room for the RB.
There really was plenty of room for the RB on that play. Even with the two OL blocking each other, he did score pretty easily.
That would be an improvement for what they're doing now.
I hope Marshall doesn't catch wind of this battle.
Definitely outplayed all the RB. He looked especially good catching passes out of the backfield.
He was the MVP.
No, YOU are the MVP my friend.
Not trending for Vic Enwere?
The run at the 0:37 mark. Tripped up by the sholaces, and proceeds to pound the ground with his fists. I remember a running back who would do that, and that ALWAYS meant he would go for over 100 yards that day.
All Mike Hart had to do was wake up any given Saturday morning, and he was pretty much going for 100 yards that day.
admittedly, i didnt watch most of the game last night but in this highlight video it looks like he goes down by a lot of arm tackles. I think i saw maybe 5 legitimate tackles broken, everything else he fell down or slowed down enough people caught him.
I don't like that. Was he breaking tackles and running through arm tackles in the UA game?
I have learned over the years that kids that are shifty in high school do not pan out too well in college where everybody is bigger and faster and stronger. (see: Sam McGuffie)
So, bad example. He had 2 100 yeard games as a true freshman, better than any of our guys this year, and with just as (well almost) as poor a line. His career was derailed by home sickness and injuries, not by not being good.
I think there are far more examples of big kids who break tackles in HS and can't in college (see Green, Derrick, Grady, Kevin, and Rawls, Thomas) than of shifty guys who don't succeed.
It's a stretch to say that McGuffie was good in college. At Michigan he was the fourth-best running back going by yards/carry (behind Minor, Shaw, and Carlos Brown). His best year came as a senior slot receiver for Conference USA's Rice, where he had 603 yards receiving, averaged 11.2 yards/catch, and scored 5 touchdowns. If that means he was a good player, then there are lots and lots of good players out there...which really dilutes the term "good."
He ran hard and willingly attacked defenders. A little shift, but he didn't dance.
Looks like a lot of teams are going to come after him hard down the stretch...
This kid is (and has been) a beast... Would be huge.
Could take visits to all three. I think it's crazy that a top 90 RB from Minnesota wasn't offered before a middle of the pack Texas kid - though I like Enwere as well.
He looked among the best in the game yesterday. Would love to see him in highligher yellow and blue!
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So we want two top RB in this class as well? Ok
We currently don't have any RBs in this class.
And if we got Jones, we assuredly would stop recruiting Enwere.
Michigan currently has zero RB commitments in the '14 class. Damien Harris is a '15 recruit.
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This is just an offer. I think we offer talented players every year.
But uh, I like Michigan's chances.
A lot of nice offers though: Wisconsin, Florida, MSU, Michigan, Iowa, Iowa St., Kentucky, Illinois, Syracuse. Oregon passed on him looks like.
Looks like a solid player. I like the offer.
I'll caution everybody by saying Derrick Green looked like a damn bulldozer last year in this game.
But yeah, Jones looked great yesterday. Had no idea we hadn't offered him. He's been on a lot of people's radar for a while.
Why so down, Debby?
"Debby" was the tropical storm in Florida last year that killed a dozen and affected thousands...
And? Green will be a good player for us. I'd take another... Jones is a very different type of player than Green is though.
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Henry runs behind Alabama's OL...and you saw what he did last night.
Green runs behind Michigan's OL...and you saw what he did all season.
It all comes down to the OL. They make the QB, RB and WRs all look good.
This is ridiculous. If it is all about the line Mike Hart would have had the same statistics as David Underwood and Jerome Jackson in 2004. Actually, he never would have started that year because their shortcomings wouldn't have led the coaches to look for a different RB.
YOUR argument is ridiuclous. It implies that all RBs are the same. That's not what I said.
And Max Martin was the 3rd RB on that team. Martin and Jackson both averaged more than 4 yards per carry.
Still, that's not the point. Mike Hart isn't Mike Hart if he has the 2013 line instead of the 2004 line.
Chad Henne isn't Chad Henne, and in turn, Braylon isn't Braylon.
THAT is what I am saying.
Put Derrick Green behind Alabama's OL or Devin Gardner behind Alabama's OL and I guarantee we have a better year and a better offense.
...how you took THAT to be "all RBs are the same and it's just about your OL" is stupid. And I think you know it.
I pointed out the fallacy of your statement that "it all comes down to the OL." I did so by pointing to a specific example of different RBs obtaining different results while running behind the same OL. That doesn't imply that all RBs are the same, it illustrates the opposite. If all RBs were the same they would get the same results when the OL variable is held constant. The example shows that production isn't simply a question of what linemen are in front of a RB.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by referencing Max Martin. Tim Bracken, Alijah Bradley and Pierre Rembert were also RBs on that team. They also performed more poorly than Mike Hart. I simply referenced the 3 RBs who had starts that year.
Of course different running backs are going to have different results behind the same offensive line.
Please tell me where I said that they would have the same resuts.
I said it's all about the OL. And that goes for the RB, QB, and WRs.
Mike Hart, would not have been Mike Hart behind our OL, Henne and Edwards the same.
How can you not understand that very logical...and factual statement?
"Please tell me where I said that they would have the same resuts."
That would be where you said "it's all about the OL." "All" means "wholly; entirely; completely." I tried to point out to you that it is also about the ability of the RBs. It's obvious that a better OL will give a team better results all else being equal. If that pedestrian observation is your point we can just agree.
Finally, while it's true that Mike Hart's statistics would have been less glorious if the various OLs he ran behind had skill equivalent to this year's OL he would still have been Mike Hart.
I'm sorry, have you met our offensive line?
No he didn't. DId you even watch the game. Never in a game or on film did i see anything that told me Derrick Green is a 5* RB. Smith was and is the better back.
I take it that he is Leveon Bell type back.
He looked awesome at the UA game and we aren't exactly loaded with proven guys so why not I guess.
Mike Hart ran a 4.67 after 4 years at Michigan. So this guy isn't any slower than Hart. Hart played at Michigan at 200 pounds and this guy is 195 right now.
So, I'm sure speed and size are everything. /s
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4.69 is what Mike Hart ran at the NFL combine.
Not exactly. He's shiftier than Bell, and he's 6'0", 196 lbs. He's not a blazer, but he has a good combination of speed, agility, and power.
I don't know where that time came from, but he was running by everyone. He looked pretty fast to me. I suspect he is closer to 4.5 or 4.4 time. He was definitely one of the best RBs in that game.
Well, never mind those silly combines and such. The kid is just sandbagging with his listed 4.69 time. Bighouse22 says he runs a 4.4!
(I'm just joshin' ya.)
Data is data, I can accept that! He sure looked faster than that during the game though!
A twitter rant by Braylon coming up soon
And I can't wait.
He looks awesome in yesterday's game. There's going to be a ton of schools going after him now.
It's always nice to take at least 1 running back in each class. Could get playing time as the 4th back next year.
...that he redshirts (or Enwere).
Derrick Green is a bust? C'mon man, we have seen him carry the ball 83 times behind a very young OL and already we must quell our expectations of him? Man, we all need to forget that dickhole punch of a year.
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EDIT: This was intended as a response to MDot. Whoops.... my bad.
the other guys. Never know if he indicated interest to an UM recruit and we have a puncher's chance. Looked tough last night.
Still, does anyone believe better than 25% chance he goes Blue?
Can't hurt that he played on a team with two captains coming to Ann Arbor.
There will certainly be some competition for him, but I gotta think we have a decent shot..
Get Jabrill and Wilt in his ear!
the 1st rotation and they were talking a lot to each other. Maybe Speight offered him on his own and started recruiting him during practices. Pre-enrollee out recruits our O staff ...
He should have been offered much earlier.
As much as I hate to say it, I agree. I think if Michigan wanted a really good shot, they should have offered before hand. Michigan could still get him, but it'll be much tougher now.
Which is why many of these good offers are coming late in the process. (I have no idea what it was, but have seen it mentioned elsewhere.)
I love the Jones offer. Also, not a hijack, but I just read that Michigan has reached out to Tyler O'Connor (the PSU QB commit) about his interest. They are apparently talking over offering him even though they only planned on taking 1 QB this year. Very interesting developments.
But Tom VH tweeted that his coach Rory's hearing from schools including M.
(Damn you IPad autocorrect!)
If you read the blog post he linked to it actually sounds like O'Connor's coach reached out to Borges. Because Al says "we've only thinking about taking one QB" (paraphrasing). Then it sounds like the coach sent the kids tape to Borges and Borges told him they'll review it and get back to him.
Reading between the lines it sounds like Borges is trying to not burn bridges with the coach vs. having actual interest in taking two QB's. The tweet seems to be fishing for clicks...
He apparently thinks Michigan will not offer another QB. There is a thread headline, apparently posted by Sam, that you can see for free on the Scout site that says as much. http://michigan.scout.com/
Is MSU trying to corner the Connor qb market?
Doesn't really make sense to take another QB when we have limited scholarships and could use plenty of help elsewhere.
We don't need plenty of help elsewhere. We're up against the scholarship limit. These aren't the Rodriguez years of 70 scholarship players.
Also, O'Connor isn't a greyshirt type of player. They would be insulting the kid if that's all they offered him.
I was joking on the scholarship, you don't give up a scholarship to PSU to greyshirt at Michigan.
That said, we're likely to whiff on not one but two DEs, so clearly that is still a position of need in comparison to QB.
We could also use help in the secondary, especially if there is some rumored attrition.
Take a SS, Gant is playing SLB and Furman is Furman, plus he's a 5th year.
I'd much rather take a potenital Kovacs than a QB. Even if it's a Ray Vinopal/Brandent Englemon type. Those are the kinds of underrated kids that you get late. Smart, leader, always in position, coach on the field, Spike Albrecht types.
So YES. We could use plenty of elsewhere. Or were you not watching this year?
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If true, that has got to make Wilt Speight feel wonderful about himself...
The mind boggles about what on Earth this staff is thinking sometimes.
They may be thinking that we are incredibly thin at quarterback still? And maybe they can address it through recruiting? Crazy.
Not if you tell the kids you recruit that a MIchigan offer is a "big deal" and we only take one per cycle... because if you lie about that you look like a complete dick head. Crazy.
Actually, the coaches told Speight several months ago that they were leaving the door open for another quarterback if necessary, and Speight said he wasn't afraid of the competition. And I don't think the coaches ever guaranteed that Speight would be the only QB in the class in the first place.
I must have read differently. He isn't afraid to compete against Shane, but I'm pretty sure there is a sense of there being only one Michigan QB offer per cycle.
ridiculous? I bet Wilton Speight knows a lot more about what is happening than any of us. The players should have just had their exit interviews. The coaches might know something about the roster going forward that isn't public knowledge. Aside from that, taking a second QB in this class seems like a good idea if it's someone they like a lot. It's possible to redshirt one and improve the roster balance, something only made possible by Morris burning his redshirt.
I was watching that game and wondering if we had offered him. If not, why not! He was one of the best RBs at that event.
It would be awesome if we could somehow steal him from the Gophers. The dude looked like a beast in the UA game yesterday.
So does this mean we're not getting Leonard Fournette?
He's at the airport with his family. They're upposed to depart at 5. We still have a chance.
I sort of feel bad for Jerry Kill and Minnesota. They did enough to offer Jones and get a commit. The the kid does well in an ESPN contrived event and now everyone wants what Jerry got. I get that it's recruiting, but if there's no televised high school all star game on ESPN, Minnesota winds up with quite the sleeper.
Urban is just impressed any B1G schools are actually trying to snake away a recruit.
Seriously, Kill is apparently a good guy and faces a tough challenge to recruit well there. If we don't get Jones, then hopefully Kill lands the kid.
He was already being approached and looking.
The D. Green comment was more of a critique on him than anything about Jones, wasn't comparing the 2. Should've saved that for another thread tho, that didn't belong in here. Obviously we would be better off with more talent like that.
It was just an observation in general while watching that game yesterday (when watching Hand, Peppers, etc). These kids have so much hype coming into these games, one forgets that they'll be starting all over next year. I can be as guilty of that as any.
As mentioned earlier, Green had 83 carries behind what probably was the worst offensive line in the 134 years of Michigan football. I'm not sure we have sufficient data to make any credible critiques.
Wasn't the production per se (nobody was going to put up #'s behind that line), moreso him being brought down so easily by arm tackles w/ him being a power back, among a couple other things.
Hope he proves me wrong, but more interested in what D. Smith could look like next year.
I for one appreciate your completely anecdotal analysis.
Deveon nor derrick impressed too much. I thought Deveon had more potential, no empirical evidence, just a hunch. After seeing both play, to me green looks to be the better back. To me he has more cutback potential, and while not breakaway speed, more speed than Deveon, which looks to be his major drawback. I think derrick and Deveon split a lot of carries next year.
They gave him 1 carry in the bowl game. We can all debate how "credible" that critique is, but at the moment he appears to be behind another guy in his recruiting class (who also hasn't stood out on the field, but got 4 carries against KSU), getting fewer touches than Hayes (who got a carry and a number of balls thrown his way), less productive than Norfleet (who picked up 9 on his one jet sweep), and less likely to carry the ball than Devin Funchess or Shane Morris. Not to mention Fitz.
On the other hand, those were probably the three worst teams in school history.
Miles Garrett was the best looking DE by a mile at that event. Texas A&M really has something there. He was blazing fast and all over the place. I was surprised that Hand was not more dominant.
Peppers looked good too.
You are probably blind. Right? Green will be a stud here. Period. He's an excellent back. But, he's a true freshman learning how to play behind an extraordinarily inexperienced offensive line! Trust me, he's a stud.
Because being a teams 3rd or 4th option is always the difference maker...
There is a chance; zero point zero
I've been hoping for Jones to get offered for a while. Michigan could use a RB in this class since neither Smith nor Green redshirted.
I also think another QB wouldn't be a bad idea since we didn't take one in 2012.
How do you think Speight would react if we offer O'Connor?
Speight has talked about that before, and he said he's not afraid of competition.
He looked like the real deal!
This pleases me
Do we have a shot?
because there was nothing in his regular season highlight film that stood out to me at all. Didn't look particularly fast, quick, strong, or elusive. Green and Smith's videos were more impressive.
I was vaguely watching it while working, and he kept making sweet plays. Huge stiffarms, great cuts in the hole, etc.
Also, has anyone seen Damien Harris' two latest retweets? They are pro-UK
But he also tweeted about 100 times in the past day, and two of them were also pro-Michigan. So...no manufactured controversies, please
Ok, sorry. Just wondering if there was anything going on....he said something after Campbell's decommitment that led me to believe his commitment might not be 100%
Until we hear something from someone who matters, I'm not worried about it. The twitters of 17-year-olds are all over the place.
Yeah, just saw Steve Lorenz answer the question of a fan....he said that he was told Harris was solid but that he has been keeping an eye on the situation for a while
I don't see an issue. He just retweeted what two Kentucky fans said to him.
Not to keep this problem going...but it used to say 'Michigan Commit' in his bio on twitter...
It's not there anymore.
Always been pro UK. Hometown team. Maurice Hurst still roots for Boston College, that doesn't mean it's the best place for him to play football
after not only being a Gopher commit but being offered this late in the game. Reality says not gonna happen, it's ok to bank the scholly for next year. Not a big deal
Jones has been open to other programs, and banking scholarships is kind of a silly idea. Each school is given 85 for a reason. It's less than optimal to plan on giving your last scholarship (or two or three or four) to walk-on guys that don't play very much.
It looks like Speight and some of our other recruits are in his ears already, at least on twitter.
It looks like I double posted. It happens while I'm on this phone.
Jones has great feet. When you watch his highlights, watch how quickly his feet get up in down. This allows him to be very good both at power cuts and more subtle cuts. At the college level, this will make him a good runner between the OTs. Needs to work on picking them up a bit more, but that's the type of feet you want picking through traffic.
He does need to do better at pressing the line and being more assertive, as he won't be able to outrun many defenders in college and things happen much quicker. Not great top end speed, and while he has the size, he doesn't always square up the shoulders to get more yardage. Looks like he wants to split and slip between tacklers still, and will have to probably balance that more at the next level as defenders don't allow you to do that as easily. Good potential, I see him more as a man blocking scheme runner as he's better at picking his way rather than really exploding in an out of cuts like the great zone backs do, but I think he's a good offer at this point.
This kid looked damned impressive at the UA Game. I kept thinking, "wow!", Minnesota got a really good player here. He didn't seem tentative at all, could make some cuts, and was a very good receiver as well. Would love to see him Go Blue.
Interesting offer. I like it. Interesting in that, Steve Lorenz just said the other day that Michigan wouldn't offer him, not because of on-field concerns, but off-field concerns. Maybe those finally got cleared up. Who knows. But I'm a huge fan of this guy. Much more than Enwere, no offense to him. Watched Jones make someone fall flat on their face in the UA game last night when they tried to tackle him.
May i ask what your take is on Speight?
I do not follow recruiting like some on here obviously but you seem to have a pretty informative take on players we are looking at...
(sorry if you have been asked this before and i missed the answer)
Here's my commitment post from February:
And here are my thoughts from last night:
I think he's improved somewhat from last year to this year, which should be expected.
You seem to know a lot of recruits too......mind telling me what your opinion of Speight is?
FYI, he's planning an OV to MSU as well.
He had good feet, quick acceleration, ran hard and didn't go down easily... I thought he had a better game than any of our recruits including Peppers. You could see Peppers athleticism so I'll reserve judgment on whether is is worthy of all the top accolades - but none of the other Wolverines recruits particularly impressed. It's a small sample size but Jones looked damned good. These recruiting rankings for MIchigan have been very unreliable. The "reports" that Jones is too slow is baloney... I'll take the eye test any day.