I knew this post was coming and I hate it.
Relax. We're fans. We can enjoy the present and be excited about the future. And our looking ahead won't cause the basketball team to lose the Wisconsin or MSU games. Trust me.
I knew this post was coming and I hate it.
Relax. We're fans. We can enjoy the present and be excited about the future. And our looking ahead won't cause the basketball team to lose the Wisconsin or MSU games. Trust me.
The topic could be interesting and fun. Whether it will be is TBD, depending mostly on whether it's overrun by 25 people making the same (ridiculous, in my opinion) "How about we focus on this year?" point. Often, that kind of thing crowds out discussion that others would like to have.
That the "you can't talk about next year until next year" thing isn't a real rule.
What I WOULD say is that there are just way too many unknowns for next year (see: McGary, GRIII, Stauskas) to really be able to gauge anything. If they all come back, WOO PARTY TIME. If they all leave, less party time. If it is one of the other 6 combinations (a likelihood, I'd say), it'll be somewhere in the middle.
I mean, think about it, during the football season, we HAD to look forward to next year because 2013 was absolutely lousy with seam-bursting bags filled with dicks that it was sucking.
Just because for BB, 2014 seems to be, for the most part, going surprisingly well, doesn't mean you can't daydream a little.
The topic is fun. Just because one guy is being a downer doesn't mean the rest I is can't prognosticate.
Beilein and the coaches are doing a fine job focusing on each game AND planning the future rosters. No reason us fans cannot do the same.
And I hate you more than both of those things.
Speaking generally I hate nearly all things. This "you" person is one of them.
If you hate the topic so much, don't read it and definitely don't comment on it. As turd said, we are fans, we can do whatever we want.
what else are we going to do with our day? Work??
You do realize he didn't post it, right?
Also...congrats on your new role as arbiter of what is interesting for everyone else that is not you! Big job, big responsibility, but you seem to be taking it quite seriously.
I love this blog but the attitude of some posters around here makes it hard to enjoy sometimes. If you don't like the post, DON'T READ IT! Some people are interested to discuss this topic and many other topics, however there always seem to be these sassy, butt-hurt posters who seem to have nothing better to do with their time than complain about "non-worthy" topics, usually of which have directly to do with Michigan Athletics and thus are very relevant content for this site.
Disagree. Michi85 couldn't be more right. It's important that we have responsible moderators such as he to keep anonymous internet Michigan fans in check so that we not post or discuss anything beyond the next 7 days for a number of reasons:
1. So much could change in a week, let alone next year, thus making such discussion a futile waste of precious time Michigan fans and alums should instead devote either to current Michigan sports activity, or to work and family. Wives and children nationwide thank Michi85.
2. Moderating speculative topics about that ethereal, unpredictable "future" is an important part of minimizing forum topic clutter because no internet reader worth a lick can be expected to actually, you know, "not read" a topic that enters his/her line of vision. Ron Burgundy and the teleprompter if you will...
3. Topics that draw attention from the here and now harm the success of the team itself, because everyone knows every Michigan varsity athlete approaches each practice and game with an attitude shaped by what they read from anonymous internet posters here at MGoBlog in the days leading up to the big game, and getting their minds off into dreamland about the possibilities of next year as opposed to the X's and O's of Wisconsin this weekend will be extremely damaging. Thanks to Michi85's timely intervention, I anticipate he's saved the MBB team 2 or 3 missed shots and a half dozen defensive rebounds. God bless him!
hmm I wonder how good 2030-2031 will be. can someone tell me I cant stop thinking about it.
Yeah I heard there are some pretty awesome toddlers that are dunking on their Little Tykes basketball hoops. Probably should get those offers out there so we can lock them in. 2030's team will be great!
A good instance of when the /s tag was definitely needed. For a minute there, I thought you actually wanted Michigan to start offering kids that are still pooping in their diapers.
Still better than coolers...
If you shit your pants quite a bit.
It seems that coolers fit my agenda better than loaded drawers.
so says Najeh Davenport
BB's scouting reports are good, but I have no clue how he'd be in a position to ask such a thing talking to recruits nowadays.
"So, tell me...are you thoroughly potty trained?"
I can't decide if your post would have been funnier or less funny if you added a /s at the end of it.
Won't we be one over the scholly limit if everyone comes back?
I think that all depends on where Austin Hatch's scholarship comes from. Just to venture a guess, I would assume if all 3 of our potential NBA prospects return for next year, Austin's scholarship will be coming from somewhere outside of the basketball program.
What matters is whether he's on the team; where his scholarship comes from is irrelevant. He could be given an academic scholarship, but if he's on the basketball team it counts against basketball.
Well that stinks, but makes perfect sense. Teams would obviously be using academic schollies all the time to skirt scholarship limits. So essentially either someone is going to be encourage to go to the NBA a little earlier than maybe they should, or Austin doesn't get to be a part of the team...
If we're over the scholarship limit I'm pretty sure beilein could ask Horford to pay his own way for his fifth year kind of like McDermott at Creighton. Something tells me his family has the money
Maybe it'll be good enough to not have people post about it in the middle of a Big Ten run? Seriously, the day after the season ends I'd be all up to discuss this at length, but I think this team is in the middle of such a great run, they deserve to have the focus be completely on them.
You could just not read or comment on the thread than and allow the people who do want to discuss to do so.
Can someone explain the scholarship situation for next year? My memory is that Beilein recruited under the assumption that McGary and/or Robinson would leave early. Does that leave us with too many guys, potentially?
Thanks (to each of you who posted this).
Sorry, one more question... We haven't heard a final answer on Hatch's status yet, have we?
Credit where credit is due I do believe we'd be one over the limit if everyone came back.
We will be a good team. Even if all three leave. Caria will take another step. Walton will take a huge step. Chatman is a top 30 player. Irvin will be a stud. And don't forget about Horford. Also we have Donnall coming of a redshirt. The team will be really good.
went and found the answer
But please enlighten us further.
I wish I could multiple pos-bang that post.
I dislike posts like these because we should be cheering for our players to go to the NBA if they are evaluated at that level instead of selishly hoping they'll be back for our entertainment.
I hope Stauskas has an awesome finish to the year and is able to fulfill his dream of playing in the NBA. Same with GR3 and MM.
But even that aside, it is highly unlikely they all come back which makes any analysis or predictions of future PT an exercise in futility.
Which guy do you think is ready for the NBA right now? Stauskas is white. How many white shooting guards are there in the NBA? He doesn't have the raw athleticism to fall back on if he comes out before he's ready and has a bad season. The slump he had could scare teams out of taking him first round.
Lol Stauskas's race has literally nothing to do with how good his game is. He's athletic enough to constantly get the "not just a shooter" reference and he's #12 on Goodman's Big Board right now. And if that's where he's projected, he absolutely should go.
He has too many holes in his game, one of which, elite athleticism, can't be taught. He needs to get stronger, play better defense, and prove he can still score against smaller and faster defenders. He will have a place in the league but not after this season.
I saw this coming. You can focus on the racist appearance on the surface of the comment or see the truth of it. There are hardly any white North American contributors in the NBA. There's a stigma associated with them even if they are great athletes. They have a tougher hill to climb to prove themselves because of it. Look at guys like JJ Redick and Jimmer Fredette. Very similar skill set to Stauskas but were NPOY winners,and both stayed for 4 years. Both are role players in the NBA. The NBA wants guys that are the complete package or that can jump through the roof. If GR3 and Stauskas both go to the pros and both have underwhelming years, you can bet your ass GR3 sticks around longer, for that very reason. I don't like it, and I don't like the NBA at all in fact, but that's the way it is. When did Stauskas have bad games this year? Against superior athletes at Duke and MSU. That's a red flag for NBA scouts.
Funny I remember the MSU game as Stauskas going off for 19 pts on 7/12 shooting w/ 4 AST to 1 TO with an NBA lottery pick guarding him. If you wanted to argue your point here, that there is a stigma against white North American players, then that would be plausible. Instead you just said he's not really athletic. You could also argue the stigma is more against 4 year guys than white players since regardless of race, those types are generally frowned upon. Bottom line is guys with way more connections seem to think he's a first round pick even after this "slump" which really includes one bad game.
Stupid comment. He's also Canadian and his name is Nik so you could also say "how many white Canadian shooting guards named Nik are in the NBA?"
I hadn't really thought about the paucity of white shooting guards. It really doesn't seem fair. Perhaps we should have a developmental league for white players. Or just direct young white children away from basketball, just as we direct them away from music, dance and roles as side-kicks in cop dramas. Perhaps it isn't too late for Nik to take up hockey like all good, white Canadians (I realize that's redundant).
You do realize that "athleticism" is not necessarily a synonym for "black"? Just as not every black quarterback is a dual threat. In what way is Stauskas not "athletic"? What part of his going to the hoop or "Game, Blouses" seem unathletic to you?
I ignore a lot of ignorance, but this sort of unthinking racism is below the minimum standards, not just of this site, but of decent society.
I agree with everything you said. I'm not expressing my opinion, but the stereotype that exists. Why do you think everyone thinks every black QB is a dual threat? Because a stereotype exists that black guys are always better athletes than white guys. You're making my point.
I appreciate your clarification. Your original post did not note that you were expressing what you see as the view of NBA executives rather than your own view. My suggestion is that when discussing race, you make very clear your own views. In addition, if you're going to argue that there is something as odious as wide-spread racism, you should provide specific examples or statistical analysis to show it, e.g.,if you could show that the expected career of a black player is different than a white player, taking into acount all other factors.
While I see a lot of embedded racism in our culture, I'm slow to accuse anyone of it absent specific evidence. Professional sports seem, to me, one area where executives are ruthless realists. They care about Ws and asses in the seats. That's all. If the verticals, shuttle times, etc. of two players are the same, they aren't going to see one as more athletic than another.
You may have a point about the NBA choosing the more athletic player long-term, but that has nothing to do with race.
...Then again, the stupidest post of 2014 is still far better than the vast majority of 2013 posts.
Okay, NOW we can kill the 2014 meme.
If no one goes to the NBA then they would be a top5 team with a legit NC shot.
and the team could be incredibly deep. If they hold on to win the Big Ten and make a deep tourney run, they could potentially be preseason #1 depending on what other teams across the country lose to the nba draft.
We should definitely be favorites in the Big Ten considering what other teams lose.
If no one goes to the NBA, I don't think the starting lineup will change (except Mitch back as a starter obviously). But we will have the deepest team Beilein has had at Michigan.
I would expect Walton and Irvin to make large leaps. Generally Beilein players break out in their second year.
I would expect Cameron Chatman to help spell Stauskas and GRIII. If Ricky Doyle comes ready to play, I think we could see another attempt at playing "2 Big" with Doyle, Beilfeldt, Horford, Donnal, and McGary all available.
I would expect Hatch and DJ Wilson to redshirt.
Basically outside of Walton, everyone is 6'6" - 6'9" with many overlapping skills, so there is tremendous depth and flexibility.
The combination of star power, depth, and game experience would be crazy. My guess is that Beilein wouldn't want to play nine or ten deep, but he definitely could if he wants to. He'd be looking at a roster with McGary, Stauskas, Robinson, LeVert, Walton, Irvin, Albrecht, Horford, Chatman, Donnal, and Bielfeldt, among others.
Bielfeldt can't even get a meaningful minute this year - be shocked if he did next.
Agreed for the most part about Bielfeldt, but I think he could proided added minutes. Especially:
1. Given the injury history of Horford and McGary (knock on wood)
2. My skepticism about Donnal's size vs. the Big Ten
3. The possibility of Beilein going "2 Big" next year
Any of those things could create the need for Bielfeldt to get 5-10 min per game.
Why do you think he wouldn't go 9-10 deep? We were routinely going nine deep before McGary went out for surgery...
He's said in the past he prefers a smaller 7-8 man rotation.
But again, we were going nine deep quite a lot earlier this season.
You might be right (at least about going nine deep), but I'm thinking about where the minutes come from - and a little about game continuity. A lot of this is complete guesswork, but...
You have 200 minutes to go around. If everyone comes back, the junior versions of McGary, Stauskas, Robinson, and LeVert all seem like 30+ minute guys, as would a sophomore Walton. Some of those guys will get much more than that, too. On most teams, Irvin would get major minutes, too, so I figure that he's probably getting at least 20 (and maybe he and Robinson should be swapped).
That doesn't leave many minutes, and I'm not sure how thinly Beilein would want to spread them. There would be plenty of capable guys, though, with Horford, Albrecht, Chatman, etc.
Just win baby.
I'll bite. Preseason #1 or #2. Mad depth, experience, length...little to no weakness that I can see...maybe defense??? Destroyers of souls.
I think the defense would come with the experience because the team has shown it can play great defense at times, just not consistently.
this site has become a pathetic shade of the michigan fan base...
IF we aren't whining our way through game threads we are bickering back and forth about what should or shouldn't be posted...
not that I will stop reading or anythign... just that this shit is embarassing...
I don't give a fuck about next season.
You do realize that "next season" will be "this season" in a year, right? I have a feeling you said the same thing last year and it turned out that you cared about 2013-2014.
If you don't care, stay out of the conversation. Those of us capable of enjoying one season and thinking about the next won't miss your contributions.
But right now they're on the verge of winning the big ten, with a favorable schedule the rest of the way., in a sport where success is fleeting due to the high turnover rate from players leaving for the NBA. Why are we talking about next year when right now is far more interesting and fun? I'm not saying you're not allowed to talk about next year,,,just that it's odd timing. Considering that "next year" is usually what fans of mediocre teams (cough Lions cough) talk about.
Or your reputation.
Anyone who has concerns about their Internet reputation on a blog has serious issues.
This thread would have never been posted last year. I feel like a lot of people are thinking that what we're doing this year is nice, but we don't have a shot at the 'ship again. While I agree that the thought of next years lineup if everyone stays is ridiculously exciting, I really think this team can make a splash in the tourney again. Plus, we have a shot to do something we didn't do last year--win the B1G.
This time last year, there were all kinds of complaints, largely about Trey Burke! I don't think a single person here had a final four run in mind on Feb 12, 2013.
We knew by this point in the season we were losing 2 of our 3 best players, and the best player in cbball. Not comparable
That's my point. Last year we had NC hopes, especially given our level of talent. This year people are all "OMG WE COULD WIN THE B1G."
My position isn't that this team is the same last year's team, but that people are already chalking up this year as a cute season where we surprised people and that's about it.
is that this time last year, we did not appear to have a better team (on paper) for the following season.
in contrast, on paper, we may end up with a much better team next year.
so it makes sense that we wouldn't have looked forward last year but do look forward this year, not because this team is doing anything less special, but because our prospects (on paper) are much better next year.
At least one will go. For one thing, it's not ideal to have 3 guys with immediate NBA aspirations come back. They'll all want to be featured, and that can't really happen. Most likely is 2 come back I think, though one or even none are possibilities..
This comment is just nonsense. Guys don't just suddenly flip from being all in for the team to being prima donnas.
This from the "Stauskas is white, how can he play in the NBA?!?!" guy? You should have stopped there.
Incredibly, there's a midpoint between "all in for the team" and "prima donna." Being featured is a key consideration for prospects, who have their stock to consider. It was cited by both GR3 and Mitch as part of why they came back this year, to showcase their games with Burke and THJ gone. In your world, anyone who leaves early for the draft is a "prima donna" since they're abandoning their team for selfish reasons - this isn't surprising, since you clearly live in a pretty stupid world where whiteness is a negative in basketball evaluation.
But they're individual decisions. If Stauskas thinks he should come back, he'll come back. Same goes for McGary and Robinson. I'd be a little surprised if all three come back, but it's definitely possible given how the draft might look.
Greatest team in the history of organized sports
We cap our season by beating the Miami heat in a non title game 123-19. Spike weds Kate Upton. Shit rules.
If everyone comes back, the team will be elite, no question, and pre-season Top 3 at least. It will be a "Final Four or Bust" type year, which I kind of hate, because it is going to make it really hard to enjoy close wins over mediocre teams or even games like last night. We will be expected to win every game and a close win over Northwestern or a loss to a good team will make us bitchy and miserable.
If two out of three come back and one of those guys is McGary, then I think that we'll still be elite.
If it's just McGary, then I think that we'll be about where we are now. Worse than 10, better than 20. Very respectable but also very flawed.
Why not? Preaseason #1 or #2. Better defensively. Offensive juggernaut, maybe averaging >1.25 ppp. NC frontrunner.
...good this team could be this year with wins at Wisco, State and Ohio...need a larger screen for my phone...ahh 2014-2015...the team could be SO good...or not SO good.
If we lose just one player - Stauskas - and bring back everyone else, including a healthy McGary, I think we get back to the Final four.
I'm not so sure. IMO Stauskas is the glue to this team the past two seasons. I think we are really going to miss him.
We'll win the national title next year and if we don't it'll be a tragedy. Playing this well in the conference right now I would expect to lose only two games or less next year. We have the best coach in the big ten and the best player development and facility's. This program is for real and things are going to continue.
Hard to say best coach in the big ten when there's others with a championship and several final fours... :-/
If you dont want to hear or talk about how good next years team can be. Then don't click the thread labeled "2014-2015 MBB - how good can it be." Pretty fucking simple.
For this man, a cold beer.
Probably like the 95-96 bulls or something. Best team Evvvvverrrrrrr.....
I pretty much lost all interest in the NBA after the '97 season.
They did in 2004, but in between '97-'04 - no basketball and after '04, no NBA then either.
Although I like to enjoy the moment and what THIS YEAR'S team brings to the table, I'll go ahead and bite:
-Assuming everyone comes back, including a healthy McGary, all of which is far from a given, then you can talk legitimate preseason top-3 team and Big Ten favorites. Final Four favorites? Ehh maybe, but the tournament is a whole other animal, not to mention a complete crapshoot. All it takes is one off game to flush your season down the toilet.
That being said, would this team have the talent and depth to get that far? Abso-friggin-lutely. Yes, we'll lose Morgan, and that will hurt, but you'd still have an abundance of depth and experience all across the board with this team, not to mention guys like Donnal who are redshirting but can come in and contribute. And let's not forget about some very talented freshmen who are on the way.
My take at the beginning of the season was that they would struggle early but be a team that nobody wants to play by tournament time. The Wolverines may not win the conference or even the conference tournament because officiating seems to degenerate to football by the end of a Big Ten season, but they are a perfect team for the NCAA Tournament, where games are called tighter.
We have no idea what is happening next year, but this year could be special.
McGary won't leave. GRIII shouldn't leave. Stauskas is 50/50.
I don't think we hold on to all three. I think McGary and GRIII stay and Stauskas leaves. But even so, with the return of McGary, the ongoing improvement of Walton and Irvin, and the addition of Donnal, we'll be the preseason favorite to win the B1G. And if no one leaves, then the sky's the limit.
Will be back next year too!
Cracked iphone screen makes typing a challenge!
I'm torn on Mitch McGary on coming out. On the one hand, he hasn't really played all that much in his career, so coming back - especially due to the stacked draft class this year, should be a good thing. He can really establish himself with a good year next year.
On the other hand, he is old in terms of NBA Draftees. Additionally, if he came back next year and injured his back AGAIN - he would be really screwed.
I think he has the toughest choice of all.
He can always buy an insurance policy against injury.
Why would we want to have our players go the NBA over all coming back? Is Kentucky in a better position now because anthony Davis and Gilchrist went to the NBA instead of coming back and winning three straight NCAA championships. definitely not. However saying this, I support whatever decision the kids make but I feel it's best for our players' draft stock sans possibly Stauskas to come back.
It depends if you plan for those departures or not. Calipari loves the "one and done" and recruits accordingly. System guys like Beilein typically need at least 2 years before a player can "grasp" the offense. A flood of early departures could set the program back a couple of years.