easier to beat the other big dogs to the meat when Charlie Weis is out of the Midwest.
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easier to beat the other big dogs to the meat when Charlie Weis is out of the Midwest.
Did this kid score every touchdown for his team? Every catch is a score.
Look at the calendar. Breathe. This is not a contingency plan offer. Michigan is not having trouble recruiting receivers. It is May. The fact that Csont'e York received his first BCS offer in May suggests that he is flying under the radar and many BCS coaches haven't evaluated his play. If this were a contingency offer, it would occur after most top-ranked WR recruits are committed... not while most of them are completely undecided. The coaches must like York's potential. That is why he has an offer. It is not because they are scared that all the good ones are gone. I'm sure glad we don't make recruiting decisions by fanbase vote.... we wouldn't send out enough offers to fill a roster.
"We wouldn't send out enough offers to fill a roster"....but every 5* would get a lot of love.
Not a blazer, but some kids just know how to play. I love speedy WRs, but I need to remind myself that the hall-of-fame has a bunch of receivers that were not burners.
How about Jerry Rice? The GOAT ran a 4.71 40. Speed is the most over-rated ability for a WR. If you can run routes and consistently catch the ball, you can be great.
That said, I see one great route in the highlights--the slant-corner. Of course, it's a highlight reel, so who knows? The fact that we offered him in May and the comments from the scouts are encouraging. Go get him Brady!
If there's one position I'm OK with us taking the non-blue chip sorts is WR. It seems that guys over achieve at receiver more than anywhere else. Sure, the top 5 or so in the country usually pan out, but beyond that, the difference between #15 and #50 is often a toss up. Scouting them can be hard since they rely on a good QB for production and many teams don't have that, so maybe that's why York has flown a bit under the radar.
At this point, I'll choose to trust the staff. They've gotten in early on several guys that have blown up in recruiting. Conley is a great example from this class. He wasn't rated very highly at all and has steadily risen up the rankings. Charlton is another example. For both guys, Michigan was one of their first BCS offers and now both are very highly regarded prospects. Not sure if York is the same caliber, but I'll trust Hoke & Co.
Jeremy Clark. I think that kid is going to be a stud
Don't forget Ondre Pipkins. Three-star when he committed last year. Five-star by signing day.
Pipkins was highly rated by some sites early on. It's not like he was a sleeper across the board and burst onto the scene. At least at the time he committed (before his senior season, in August), Pipkins was #102, #147, and #246 overall to Scout, 247 Sports, and Rivals, respectively.
OMG!!! This probably means that we're not getting Treadwell. PANIC TIME!!
@Ct_York1 on his offer and commitment to U-M! Not rated, but brings good size to the receivers. Must be a special day for him."
a quick search of him on Twitter and someone else asked if he commited. He said "nawl" which I assume means no...
I read your post to myself in Dave Chappelle's Chuck Tayor anchorman voice...
Added bonus Chandler Park seems like a school intent on bringing in some talent in football/basketball. Michigan could land their first major prospects in both sports.
I was going to mention this before wesq beat me to it, but incidentally Chandler Park is also the home of 2013 PG commit Derrick Walton, who has been receiving much praise lately on the early AAU season. I know very little about this school, but I'm fairly certain it is pretty small. Not sure what class level they are though.
Walton and York are in the same high school class though, FWIW.
Kenton Gibbs today I would question it. From what I've heard, he would jump on a Michigan offer. Taking him now would all but eliminate the possibility of landing Poggi, Vanderdoes or Pagano though. Hoke seems to be after one NT-type.
Somewhat off topic, but I wonder if someone like Gibbs is hurt by the Cass Tech connection. If you're a lower-profile Big Ten school, it's probably not worth it to offer Gibbs and risk that he'll jump ship if Michigan wants him late. Seems like a tough position to be in.
Neither Poggi nor Vanderdoes are NTs. Both are 3-tech, maybe 5-tech guys.
he looked very slow. Small sample size caveats apply.
I'd wait to see how the class wraps up. Plus, it sounds like Chesson is fast as hell.
There are some offers that I question (e.g., Scott Orndorff). This is not one of them. He'll end up highly regarded with a bunch of very nice offers, I suspect.
I don't think anyone feels that the coaches are infalliable, just that they have a pretty good track record on these things, plus they have a lot more info than we do.
To address your poi nt above, both of our receivers from the 2012 class are fast. Not Denard fast, but I bet they're both faster than any WR currently on the roster. Drake Johnson, who may be a RB or a WR, is an absolute burner, and a number of the WRs Hoke has offered in this class are burners as well.
You have a bad habit of making broad statements without having anything to back it up. Yes, Jaron Dukes is not a speed demon. He's also 6'5". Yet you suggest that Hoke and Borges want all Jaron Dukes on the field, even when there's no evidence to suggest that.
I don't think you understand how rare it is to have guys that are tall and also burners.
Well I meant recruiting in general, so I'd say yes. Regarding WRs specifically, it's probably too early to tell, and I don't know enough about players he recruited elsewhere to say.
As for the tall WRs who aren't that highly rated - who have we recruited? You say we've recruited "a lot." Maybe Dukes could qualify, although he's a 4 star to two of the four services. Anyone else?
By the way, the other WR we just offered, Alvin Bailey, is 5'11".
Maybe I was misunderstanding before, but is your gripe simply that, when given the choice, the coaches seem to be choosing WRs with size over ones with speed?
Guess what, nearly every other coach makes that same choice. A good S&C program can make a player faster, but it won't make him taller. Also, on most routes (anything less than 25 yards or so) the difference between a kid who can run a 4.5 and a 4.6 is negligible, but the difference between the kid who is 5'11" and 6'3" is huge. Sure, you want a guy who can run deep routes, but how many 60 yard pass plays are actually completed in college football?
But really, you listed 3 guys who are tall and not fast (though I've heard we're no longer pursuing Gladney) but those just happen to be the three lowest rated WRs we've offered out of a dozen or so. The two commits we took last year were big-ish and both fast. So just because we've offered a few guys who aren't burners doesn't mean the coaches don't want fast guys too.
If Chesson isn't fast enough for you, no one will be.
Because most of the claims you make are just false. You list Manningham as a "fast" receiver, then say Chesson isn't fast. Manningham is one of the slowest of the star receivers we've had. He ran crisp routes and that made up for it, but he was by no mean fast. Meanwhile, Chesson is breaking records on the track and you say he's not fast enough. So you posts, in additional to being illogical, are simply inaccurate.
You don't know why Chesson didn't get many upper-tier offers. Maybe he attends a lightly scouted school, maybe he knew what schools he was interested in and didn't pursue many others. Maybe he didn't attend camps or his coach is a bad marketer. Maybe it's because he's more raw than some programs wanted. But to simply assume it was because of his speed is presumptuous and pretty ridiculous considering what we know about his speed.
The good thing is all 40 times listed on Rivals are 100% accurate.
I'm surprised you questioned the Orndoff offer. He was 6'5 240, great hands and almost ran like a WR.
They coaches may not be "infalliable", but I think they are on the right track.
First of all, as I said above, speed is the most overrated attribute of a WR. The ability to catch the football consistently and run good routes are far more important. Look at Justin Blackmon. That is the type of player Uof M is recruiting.
There aren't many Randy Moss/Calvin Johnson players out there. Treadwell is fast. Allen is fast. There are speedy recruits in there too, but hands and route running are clearly the priority. And I like that, partially because it gives us a shot at better recruits since all the spread offenses are chasing the short, fast players.
Oh, so you're OK with the coaches recruiting the top WRs in the nation that every major school is after? Really going out on a limb there. I bet you're OK with them recruiting Su'a Cravens and Ty Isaac too, huh?
Reminds me of a slightly smaller Hemingway with similar ball skills. Looks like he would be able to contribute out of the gate. Would still love to see Treadwell or another blue-chipper on-board, but I like this offer.
At this point you'd save time by cutting and pasting "big and great going up to get the ball." Wouldn't be surprised to see his recruitment blow up and have him end up as a 4-star on at least one site.
can catch those arm punts!
From what I could tell of this Zapruder quality film, he reminds me of former Spartan and ex-con Plaxico Burress
Definitely not a burner, but very good at tracking the ball which is perfect for Al Borges' jump ball offense.
Dukes, York - Brent Musberger just had a thrill up his leg with the thought of being able to make Duke of York jokes with him and Jaron Dukes.
Our WR corps would have some great names if we were to land York, to go along with Amara Darboh, and Jehu Chesson.
Had a brief conversation with Csont'e about his recruitment and Michigan
http://dyestat.rise.espn.go.com/search.jsp?name=Chesson%2C+Jehu+%282012%... Hope the link works. The link shows Chesson's track times and placings in events he has participated in over the past couple years(110m hurdles, 200m dash, and I think 300m hurdles). SPOILER ALERT he wins most of the races, and also ends up with fastest time in the state of MO in the 300m hurdles for 2011 and 2012.
Mat will not be pleased to know this information.
I am sure Matt will lean on the old "track Vrs. pad speed" argument.