He hasn't even finished his freshman year.
I'VE HAD JUST ABOUT ENOUGH OF YOU SONNY
He hasn't even finished his freshman year.
True, true. I also just looked at last year and it listed him at 250, so that's actually a decent and probably healthy weight gain. For some reason I thought he was bigger from the pictures of him last year. I suppose this is what happens when your looking for freshmen to pull significant PT.
It sucked for Bryant because he did a great job of cutting weight last year then he broke his leg. Which makes it hard to keep bad weight off.
Interesting how some d-linemen are labeled DT and some are labeled DE. Wormley is labeled DL - guess we still don't know if he's a 5tech or 3tech. In think we need him at the 5 more....
Can't edit from iPhone. Looks like Glasgow is also labeled DL.
Wormley is listed at 290, I guess Roh wasn't exaggerating his weight gain.
He's just a freshman...
Just because Football is a fall sport people forget that he's only been on campus since what, July? He's still 18-19 years old.
Let's come back in the fall and see if he hasn't added 5-10 pounds.
is the "RS" in DG's line.
EDIT: I notice that no "RS" shows for Countess yet. Should we start dozens of threads about it until it happens?
I'm going to go out and buy a Mitropoulos-Rundus jersey first thing tomorrow morning
Aren't all hyphenated named players in the B1G required to play for Iowa?
Bo Dever? Mmmhmmm
For the little that it's worth, I think the coaching staff should really consider moving Mario Ojemudia to SAM linebacker. It would alleviate some of the depth issues at that position considering Cam Gordon graduates after next season.
Royce Jenkins-Stone at 215? Yikes. Is it just me, or do several of these guys seem underweight?
RJS, Joe Bolden, James Ross, and Desmond Clark are all below 230 lbs... and it seems like they haven't gained so much as a pound since last season. RJS better get a move-on if he plans on leaving early like he wanted to.
Not sure if you meant Desmond Morgan or Frank Clark.
But again, you guys are freaking out over players who are 18-19 years old and they're STILL Freshman.
Most guys LOSE weight during the year. Especially if they're playing. Bolden, Ross, RJS and Funchess all played a great deal last season.
These guys also aren't linemen, they're not going to gain 15-20 pounds overnight. At least we should hope not.
Check back in the fall...they will have had an entire summer to condition, eat and focus on football.
Everyone needs to relax.
I'm surprised not one person has mentioned Mike Jones still being on the roster as a RS Sr.
That's what popped out to me first.
Fail on that account. As for the weights, I'm not jumping off the ledge, but I was a little surprised to see barely any movement at all. I was hardly "freaking out," as you said.
#1 Will Hagerup and Mike Jones (who?) both listed on the roster. Hagerup is suspended and Jones was rumored not to get a 5th year. For the scholly watchers...this stuck out. Jordan Paskorz is too.
#2 Everyone's crying about weights of guys still in their freshman year...I got back and look at 2 seniors in Marvin Robinson and Cam Gordon and neither is particularly "big" for his position. Furman, same thing.
#3 I didn't see any mention of freshman #'s!
Ross Douglas #7
Dymonte Thomas #25
Taco Charlton #33
Kyle Bosch #65
Logan Tuley-Tillman #72
Jake Butt #88
#4 Poor Chris Bryant...I really think he would've went into the spring as a starting OG with Kalis, then he got injured, he's gained some weight and he's going to have to fight for that spot in the fall
#5 Wormley should be ready to contribute...he's the same size RVB was when he left. RVB flipped between the 3-tech and 5-tech, I think Wormley will do the same this year before settling into the 3-tech spot
#6 Jake Ryan is still big enough to play some WDE
#7 Bobby Henderson? He's a walk-on RB with #51!!
#8 Pip-Pip HORRAY!! Henry too!
#9 There are TWO Glasgow's....people seem to only think there is one and get shocked that he moves back and forth on the line so much
#10 We can roll out a o-line with guys 6'7+ #MANBALL
Whether it's fair or not I think we are internally comparing ourselves to the Alabama's of the world. We would like to see our OL in 310-330 range versus the 290-310 range. We would like to see the LBs in the 230-250 range versus the 210-230 range. We would like to see our safeties all over 6ft tall in the 200-215 range versus the 185-200 range. Is any of that fair?...probably not. But, internally we are hoping for ideals versus what is realistic. Some kids are still young and will still grow, but many of them will compete immediately or have already so we expect them to be at the ideal weights if they are on the field. Fair or not I think that's kind of the internal though process. But, I hear what you're saying. It is nice to see some of the freshman like Butt, Bosch, Thomas, and Charlton to be just as large or larger as the guys they are competing with. I think the same will be true of some more incoming guys that haven't gotten here yet too.
On offense, I'm perfectly okay with that because I think we want to have an Alabama offense. On defense, we run a completely different scheme.
On defense we'd be starting Black at WDE, Pipkins at NG, Q at SDE, Clark/Ojemudia and Beyer at OLB, Ryan and Morgan at MLB.
When you do that we compare a little better. But we've asked Pipkins and Q to lose weight due to scheme and Clark/Ojemudia and Beyer play DE not OLB...but if they did, they'd be as big Bama's OLBs.
However, the BIGGEST flaw with what you said is you're comparing SENIORS on Bama to FRESHMAN on Michigan. Let's compare to Bama's freshman and I think those of you that feel this way will have a different take.
Here are Bama's Freshman Olinemen:
|58||greene brandon||Brandon Greene||Offensive Line||1||FR||77||6-5/292||HS||Ellenwood, Ga. (Cedar Grove)|
|74||gulledge caleb||Caleb Gulledge||Offensive Line||1||FR||76||6-4/280||HS||Prattville. Ala. (Prattville)|
|70||kelly ryan||Ryan Kelly||Offensive Line||1||FR||77||6-5/288||RS||West Chester, Ohio (Lakota West)|
|68||luatua isaac||Isaac Luatua||Offensive Line||1||FR||74||6-2/313||RS||La Mirada, Calif. (La Mirada)|
|67||shine alex||Alex Shine||Offensive Line||1||FR||75||6-3/300||HS||Scottsdale, Ariz. (Chaparral)|
|69||waldrop paul||Paul Waldrop||Offensive Line||1||FR||76||6-4/267||HS||Phenix City, Ala. (Central)|
...that's really not that far off from what Michigan has brought in.
My projections were based on whether or not the player was a likely candidate to start or play significantly not their class rank, it just happens that we are projecting a lot of RS freshman and sophmores to start. Also I was comparing last year's Alabama team to this year's projected UM starters. So, that may make a difference in how you view it. Maybe that's stacking the chips in my favor, but that was how I was looking at it because they won the national championship last year, I'm not sure how they will be this year yet. Anyways...
I can understand about Pipkins and Q-Wash...I don't see them as undersized. Our DEs probably are a little, particularly Ojemudia, even if you consider him a JACK he's still undersized in comparison. At linebacker Alabama's SAM was 6'6" 248, Ryan is 6'3" 241. Alabama's MIKE was 6'2" 245, Bolden is 6'3" 222 and RJS is 6'2" 215. Alabama's WILL was 6'3" 245, Morgan is 6'1" 227 and Ross is 6'1" 223. Alabama's JACK was 6'3" 262 which is the position I'm assuming you're using to compare Beyer or Ojemudia. Beyer is 6;3" 254 and Ojemudia is 6'2" 244. For what it's worth 3 of those 4 starters last year from Alabama were true sophmores. So, even if your chosing the larger of the two projected starters for UM they still are typically 10-20 pounds lighter at every position. Obviously it's even more evident at OL and the same is true of our DBs.
I think Ryan is fine. But, basically that's a long of way of saying I'd like Ojemudia, Bolden, RJS, Morgan, and Ross to be 15 lbs heavier. The same goes for our Kalis, Miller, Avery, Richardson, and Wilson fwiw.
What jumps out at me is the size of Kyle Bosch. Bosch's size, as well as him being here in the spring, puts Kyle on the fast track to becoming a starter on the OL next season as one of the replacements for Lewan and Schofield.
All our OL our highly rated but Bosch already has 20+ pounds on Magnuson and Bars, and that will be difficult for them to overcome all things being equal.
Interesting that Bars lost 7 pounds from the fall camp.
2012 fall roster
2013 spring roster
|Blake Bars||OL||6-5||284||RS FR|
|Kyle Kalis||OL||6-5||297||RS FR|
|Ben Braden||OL||6-6||314||RS FR|
|Erik Magnuson||OL||6-6||286||RS FR|
IMO Royce Jenkins-Stone and D.Thomas are a little light for the B1G. But, Pee Wee, Ooo Eee, he is going to be damn good.
Thomas is 187 as a senior in high school. Kovacs played much of his career at the S position at about 195 lbs. It's not far off.
I guess I had assumed we'd be a little bigger than we are...we are not there yet it seems. I'd hoped we see both our guards well over 300, not that Kalis is far, but I figured he'd be at least 10 pounds heavier. I also sort of figured our LBs would be in the 230-250 range versus the 210-230 range. Heck Bolden was listed as 7lbs heavier last year. Granted it was probably not real, but still sort of led me to believe we was bigger than 223lbs. Our starting DBs have decent size, but our backups are tiny (Avery, Hollowell, Richardson). It would be nice to have safities that are over 6'0" 200lbs. I know Gordon won't grow, but it'd be nice to see Wilson a little heavier. Thomas seems like he has a frame to eventually be the body type we want but is a few years away from that now. Ojemudia put on a few pounds but not enough to make a difference...same with Funchess. On the good side it's good to see Hayes is no longer in the 180s. It seems like Butt, Thomas, Bosch, and Charlton are college ready...at least in compared to their competition on the team. I just wish Bolden, RJS, Morgan, Ojemudia, Funchess, Kalis, Wilson, Avery, and Richardson/Hollowell were all a little bigger because they all seem to set for a decent amount of playing time this year, although some more than others.
terry richardson still barely breaking the 160 lb mark. Was hoping he would bulk up to the 170 range
He is up to 213.
If I were getting lambasted like that by the fans, I might go home and eat a bunch of tubs of ice cream, too...
But hopefully it's muscle, and hopefully he pulls it together to be a good #2 quarterback and maybe a starter down the road.