Shane Morris #16
Dymonte Thomas #77
Kendall Fuller #4
EJ Levenberry Jr #15
Ty Isaac #18
Adam Breneman #22
Ethan Pococ #27
Laquon Treadwell #31
Jaylon Smith #34
Henry Poggi #43
Chris Fox #46
Kyle Bosch #60
Shane Morris #16
Dymonte Thomas #77
Kendall Fuller #4
EJ Levenberry Jr #15
Ty Isaac #18
Adam Breneman #22
Ethan Pococ #27
Laquon Treadwell #31
Jaylon Smith #34
Henry Poggi #43
Chris Fox #46
Kyle Bosch #60
Jake Butt at #96.
Su'a Cravens #5
He said in a paywalled article on Rivals that Michigan will be getting one of his five officials. I'm not holding my breath though.
I've talked with Su'a twice and to be honest I would be surprised if he didn't take that official. His interest in Michigan is high and seems legitimate, at least at this point in the process.
Nice! I've seen him a few times in person, being that I live in Murrieta, CA now. Not that I know much, but he looks like the real deal.
I'd have to go back and look at the quotes, but the different ways that Michigan planned on using him was one of the reasons he was so interested. He's incredibly talented in many different areas of the game.
Aqua, are we recruiting him for safety or linebacker? I know he's a safety, but I've also seen that he is being recruited some as a LB.
We are looking at him as a safety.
Tom Beaver says we offered him as a running back and that is something unique so far in his recruitment. Any insight into that?
USC offered him as a running back, so it's not THAT unique if Michigan indeed mentioned running back.
There goes our shot at being unique haha.
Apparently asking the almighty aquaman something that contradicts his previous statement earns me a flamebait tag from the loyal semen.
Craven and Thomas remind me a lot of eachother. Both play running back and safety, and it looks like both would excel at either.
Eh, yeah, they play the same positions. But Craven is a SS/LB hybrid, whereas Thomas is a FS/SS hybrid. I don't really see them as similar players other than playing the same position...ish.
The conversations I had with him totally revolved around what his role on the defense would be, so I'm not sure what to think of that assessment.
Thanks. I wasn't contradicting, just curious about different reports.
Also, looks like you've reached the level where you get your own TomVH following of loyalists that hate on anyone that asks a question disagreeing with your earlier comments.
Soooo congrats or be scared, I'm not sure which one.
Can't say I'm ever going to be 100% confident about guys in the top ten unless they're from the area and grew up a Michigan fan. That's a really good sign and if we can get him on campus...I just feel like those guys are always the highest recruited and they're pulled in so many different directions. It's often times a crapshoot where they end up.
#5 Su'a Cravens
#26 Robert Foster
#34 Jaylin Smith
37 Dorian O'Daniel
#44 Mike Mcray
#48 Justin Davis
#96 Jake Butt
It was a quick list. I was going off the top of my head. I'm sure we will offer a lot more of these kids over the next few months as well.
#3 Laremy Tunsil, who has consistently said he wants to take one of his officials to Michigan. he's a heavy Florida lean, but still, and official visit is huge.
How condifent are you in landing Robert Nkemdiche? I heard GA is supposed to be a real player here. Somehow they can never keep their best player from leaving the state.
I know he has a lot of interest in the tide, and I know he has big pro aspirations. He's a smart kid though, and he knows that football is no guarantee. He hasn't decided on a major yet, so that'll play a part in all of this. I think he wants to stay home, that's my gut feeling. He LOVES the state of Georgia, and most Georgia fans are pretty confident he'll be a Dawg.
If you click on Kendall Fuller, he gets compared to the greatest DB in NCAA history, Charles Woodson. Except it says Woodson went to Green Bay Packers as his college.
I hope this causes outrage like when a player doesn't say "Michigan" on Monday Night Football.
I think anyone who looks at this list and questions why they take a kid like Khalid Hill should STFU. They obviously have an eye for talent.
2 commits in the Top 100 already, and a lot of others in there that have a lot of interest in Michigan.
So is Michigan your second favorite team? Or just like to keep the enemy close sort of thing?
Just curious - when fans of other programs often show up (besides Buckeye and Spartan trolls), I'm always interested in what keeps them posting.
I don't have a 2nd favorite team, and I frown on people who say they do. I respect the hell out of Michigan, their tradition, and their fans. As for this board, I like it, a lot of educated fans who like to talk about recruiting. What more can I ask for?
Just curious, what's your view on the over-recruiting stuff? Does it bug you? Is it a non-issue? Fair game? I'm just wondering what an educated Alabama fan thinks of it.
Someone asked that a couple of days ago. I can't stand over signing, and it puts my Uniersity in a bad light. That's the SEC however, it has become so cut throat that the actions of the coaches are becoming more and more business like. It's not even a college atmosphere anymore, they look at it from a professional aspect. That saddens me, and I really don't see it ending anytime soon.
I'm glad to hear that. My dad works in the panhandle of Florida so he has a lot of co-workers that went to Bama. He said none of them understand why over-signing is bad. I just hate to think that an entire fanbase could be so into winning at all costs.
I believe this picture may have been posted on here awhile back - but it was an interesting topic of discussion. I believe this certainly lends to the conversation of oversigning and how many of the schools highest officials especially in the SEC where it accounts for a large portion of revenue - "don't seem to care". Interesting when put into the context of a business - if you're Alabama (at least according to this picture - can't say I've done the calculation and am just assuming the graphic is correct) 11% of the schools' revenue is from football. Doesn't make the cut throat actions OK, but this seems to show another probable cause as to why they occur.
Here's the direct link if it's too small. My apologizes if this was posted on mgoblog and i'm not linking to a post here.
I'm actually very surprised that Michigan is below some of those schools. MSU? UConn? Arkansas State? We must be really raking it in through research endeavors and whatever else if the huge amount we make off of football is only 1% of revenue.
Our football revenue is as large or larger than Bama's and LSU... Problem is our total revenue is over 14-17 times that of Bama and LSU.
Quite the problem to have on your hands.
I have seen Auburn talk about how they run their program like a professional team. Landon Collins mom said Saban's pitch was come to Alabama and we'll get you to the NFL. Don't know whether he believes that is the difference that makes Alabama better or thought that is what the recruit wanted to hear.
I've heard that a growing number of SEC fans are concerned at the level of cutthroat competition within the league and its negative effect on recruiting, compliance, coaching salaries, etc.
When I think of SEC football and the direction it's headed, I'm reminded of the Johnny B. Goode scene in Back to the Future where at first the kids at the dance are really into McFly's performance, then they stop and stare in astonishment as he carries it overboard.
RDT-not sure if you've been asked this, but what's your opinion on Nick Saban as a coach and as a person? It seems like there are a lot of things you dislike about him.
I have a second favorite team - it is ALABAMA, because I graduated from there. However, I am a life long Michigan fan - so I cheer for both.
BTW, some good friends of mine paid an artist to draw an enormous mural of the Bear in their house, it looks almost exactly like your avatar.
RollDamnTide...my Dad is from Birmingham, Alabama. Loved the Tide. Met my Mom up in Michigan and relocated. Though I bleed blue and graduated from U of M, I've always had a little soft spot for Alabama, just because I respect their passion (Updyke aside...). And while we love to stereotype the "typical" 'Bama fan (like most would know), I've always found that for every nutjob there's 2 or 3 pretty well informed guys that just love college football and will talk about it for hours. That's my kind of deal.
You found a good board - this is by far one of the brightest, wittiest, sharpest college board out there. Keep visiting and posting - adds a little something. Hope it's a good game in Dallas!
Speaking of...where has Irish been lately? I haven't seen him.
The last I remember, he and a few people got into it about something ND-related, maybe Kiel, and then the downvoters ran him off the thread. I remember being drunk when I read it; other than that, I don't remember details.
he is probably enjoying the use of the proper English language and punctuation and lack of "PAAAWWWLLLL JUSSSST SED...." posts
Sweet, looks like Shane Morris is an elite blue chipper all across the board. At #16, with a good senior season he'll likely get a 5th star. It's always nice to have at least 1 or 2 elite players in the class (Pipkins, Kalis) and its even nicer to have one like Shane this early in the process.
He didn't put up great numbers in his HS season this year, but I think he had a pretty poor OLine and they ran the ball about 2:1. I believe his coach said they were planning on airing it out a little more during for senior year, and that less than 4000 passing yds would be a disappointment. Shane really made his name in the 7 on 7s, and at the Elite 11 camp last summer, where he went throw for throw with Gunner Kiel.
There's a big receiver transferring to his school too, right?
I can't recall the brothers are big recievers. One is a senior and one is a sophmore.
John Wangler's kids are transferring in.
I thought I read something about their former school trying to make it so they couldn't play this year, or something akin to that.
Does this put Shane in the 5-Star range for early Rivals rankings?
There are currently 11 5 stars on the Rivals100. He is listed in the article as five star potential.
He's a 6.0 on Rivals - which means he has a great chance to be a 5-star.
That would easily give Shane 5*, along with a slew of other prospects, so Sugar Shane will have his work cut out for him - RB Ty Issac, WR Treadwell and Foster, and TE Adam Brenneman are all in the top 32, along with LB EJ Levenberry. This could be another top class for UM.
I don't know about early rankings, but Rivals had thirty-two 5*'s in their final 2012 rankings.
At #16 overall and currently the #3 QB in the class (a much deeper QB class than we saw last year), he will definitely have an opportunity to earn his 5th star. Last summer he really stood out in the 7 on 7s. He likes to get a lot of exposure, so I'd say its likely that he will impress over the next few months.
I really didn't expect him to be this high so soon. Kudos to the Michigan staff for being the first in line for that ride.
He also got an offer from ohio yesterday. He is expected to visit again either this week or next week with his mom. Do you think you guys will offer him?
Not just Ohio, but he also got an offer from Ohio State.
I think we'll do it later in the process. That school doesn't traditionally produce a lot of D-1 talent, so I doubt it. Nick is all about cementing his presence at schools who produce a lot of talent.
A few months ago, the only hold up to his commitment was getting his mom on campus to see if she liked it. I think he's said since then that he wants to wait a while now, but still it's great that we can get his mom on campus.
This is just pure speculation on my point, but I'm guessing that our staff reached out to him to take a visit.
Hoke doesn't like doing the big "junior day" type of stuff that other schools like to do. He would rather get more 1 on 1 time with the recruits. I hope he does the BBQ at the Big House thing again because that always seems like a hit with the families and the recruits.
Don't forget Jake Butt at #96
Edit: Beat to it
I can't believe with all of the offers and hype that LTT has been receiving that his name is nowhere to be seen in this list.
He has an impressive offer list for sure, and he has already taken a lot of visits. Very early for a Bama offer. It will be interesting to see how he sorts out in the combines and camps this summer.
any of our scouts (magnus, etc.) have an opinon on why LTT isn't ranked?
Aren't most of the rankings at this point based off camp/combine results?
Actually it is a combination of tape, combine/camp and actual live game scouting. The only problem is that there are only so many analysts that can make it out to the games.
If you are not that known early in the process, my guess is that analysts would rather go to games with big name guys.
We didn't really here about him until he got offered, and soon after that his recruiting took off with offers from across the country. It is pretty clear that the coaches got some tape before the recruiting services.
Nice try Martavious Odoms but you can't re-enroll in high school again under Montravious Adams (#33 on the list). We're too smart to fall for that.
Awesome. All your Names That Sound Like Martavious Odoms Are Belong To Us.
I wonder if Martavious 2.0 is also a mountain goat?
As a 6' 3" DT I would be very impressed if he was. DO WANT.
Posted this on twitter, but look at all the elite talent Michigan is in on early.
LB TJ Levenberry #13 - Top 3, (Mich, Florida, FSU)
RB Ty Isaac #18 - Top 2 (Mich, ND)
TE Adam Brenneman #22 - Up there
OL Ethan Pocic #27
WR Laquon Treadwell #31 - Up there also
DT Dan Poggi #43
OL Chris Fox #46 - Leads?
OL Kyle Bosch #60
TE/DE Jake Butt #96 - Definite leader
Shane will probably be a low 5-star right now. But a lot depends on his last season in high school.
Hopefully we can secure some of those other T100 offers.
His ranking likely depends on this summer 7-on-7 and camp performances more than anything. DLS stats won't affect his ranking to the national guys like other exposure.
Hey, at least we know he'll do well on the ESPN rankings now that he's chosen the UA game haha.
With our commit and the interest from the rest of the targets, I'd be very surprised if we didn't land at least 5 from the top 100. If they get one of the TEs (Butt or Breneman), one of the Illinois lineman (Pocic or Bosch...you could even throw a Chris Fox from Colorado in there) and they get one of the LBs they want (Levenberry, O'Daniel, or Kalambayi), they're set. It would be icing on the cake if they got someone like Sua Cravens or Kendall Fuller. Oh and that's not mentioning wide receivers like Foster and Treadwell.
It's early, but I feel really good about where this class can go.
Then you also have Treadwell, Isaac, and the two guys from Good Counsel (Fuller and O'Daniel). I'm drooling over the potential for success in this class. If we're B1G champions this year, watch out.
I was trying to be extremely conservative with the guys we get, so as not to get overly excited. Yeah, this has an all-time class type of feel though.
Great start to the 2013 class with all of the targets already inside the Top 100. Doesn't look like we should have any problem getting into the top 5 again.
We already have 4 in the top 100. He's the lowest ranked, but ArDarius Stewart is my favorite.
ArDarius? (sp?) Or if that is right, too bad his last name is so boring or he could be right up there for best names...
can you imagine ArDarius Centurion or something similar? Is that a player or a star millions of years away... no one would know.
Good lord, this has the potential to be an absolutely insane class.
Treadwell, Issaic, and Shane Morris would be a nasty combo on offense. Lavenberry and Cravens would be nice also.
My biggest question....
Where is Logan Tulley Tillman??????? Seems odd that he's not top 100???????
Think it is Tuley-Tillman. But regardless of spelling, that was my question too. Honestly, though, I think that it isn't bad if we pull in guys who are great, regardless of the "star power" attributed by the rating services.
I can't say this with 100% confidence, but I do know that Logan cut off discussing his recruitment with the pay sites for about a month or so for a while. I've wondered if that's why he seems to be moving down certain boards before moving up. His fall from 37th to 84th (correct me if wrong) in the latest 247 Rankings I believe are a product of this. WIth the offers he's gotten and the schools that continue to call him, I don't see how he's not one of the top 100 players in the country.
Ty Issac, Laquan Treadwell, EJ Levenberry, Kyle Bosch, Adam Breneman, Jake Butt and the Trotwood kids.
Looks like UM is off to a good start!
Wow. Wouldn't be surprised to see more than a half dozen go blue. That would be fantastic.
On a related note, and I cannot explain this whatsoever: I watched an interview of Ty Isaac and as soon as I saw him without a helmet, I thought, "This guy actually looks like he would go to Notre Dame."
What about this interview makes me think Notre Dame? Pessimism?
I can never remember but which service is usually more accurate when it comes to ranking and evaluating Midwest prospects?
Rivals did not have a midwest recruiting analyst up until about 6 months ago, when they promoted Hemholdt. This year, the midwest has better representation, and better than the usual talent (Michigan is a little down on depth, but Ohio and Illinois are absolutely loaded).
I have no idea on what plannet, Rivals thinks Max Browne is better than Shane Morris. That kids mechanics are a nightmare, his delivery looks like he's playing dodgeball. He gets happy feet too often, and his numbers are inflated. He has Rick Mirer written all over him.
But he's not an early commit to Michigan, so he can be hyped up to all the team sites. It's all about makin that easy internet money.
I wouldn't even have Max Browne in my top 150.
I have a feeling if Shane would have accepted the AA game invite instead of the UA game invite he would ranked a little different.
Good grief. Shane Morris is the #16 player in the country and the #3 quarterback in the country. Are we really putting together conspiracy theories about why he's ranked so low?
The whole world isn't out to screw us.
Hey man, it's not our fault. We wouldn't be so paranoid if everyone wasn't out to get us.
everyone everywhere who isn't a Michigan fan. You don't think that those assholes in Latvia have been working against us all these years? Look at their flag! It's red! Don't you see?
Wierd to see all of those Texas high school kids on the list and none of them have committed to Texas yet. Texas is usually is out ahead of everyone.
Jake Raulerson already committed to Texas.
Also, Texas usually has a junior day in the late winter/early spring where a bunch of kids show up on campus and get offered...and about 15 of them will commit when they get offered. That's how Mack Brown rolls.
Josh Helmholdt: Alliance (Ohio) Marlington safety Dymonte Thomas is one of the fastest players in the Midwest for 2013, and overall an outstanding athlete. As a junior, though, he mostly played close to the line of scrimmage and we did not get a chance to see much of him in coverage. So, we did not get too bullish on his ranking until we were able to more thoroughly assess his coverage skills.
Sweet, looks like 5 or 6 in the top 100 is realistic.
No other recruiting site seems to think of Tyrone Swoopes as highly, I woner what they see in him. His offer list isn't stellar either, I know it's early, but it's not even comparable to LTT's who is MIA from this list.
Most likely that is based off of stats. 2300 yards rushing, 29 TDS and 1400 passing, 15 TD is pretty impressive! Especially since he had comparable numbers his Sophomore year. His mechanics are pretty out of wack though. However, at 6'5" 200lbs. this kid is going to be quite amazing with proper coaching!
Tyrone Swoopes is super fast. In today's spread-oriented college football, he's bound to be a star. It would be tough to be much lower rated when you're 6'5", 220 lbs., fast, and you have a good arm.
He swooped in and took the #1 dual-threat spot. Is it a weak year for the dual-threat guys?
Not doubting that he's not a good player or anthing, but jeez how is Altee Tenpenny ranked so high? The #20 ranked player in the country and he missed his whole junior. Rivals said Dymonte Thomas wasn't ranked so high because they didn't see him enough in coverage this year... they didn't see Tenpenny at all this year!
Maybe because he was blindingly fast as a 10th grader.
Since Shane opted to play in the Under Armour Bowl, ESPN gives him 5 stars. If he chose to be in the Army game, Rivals would have given him 5 stars. Always happens!
That's 20 Army All-Americans who were 5-stars in 2012, and then 12 Under Armour All-Americans. That's hardly conclusive when you consider that the Army All-American Bowl is the older game and, at least in my mind, holds a little more prestige than the Under Armour game. Kids get invited to the Army game because Rivals thinks they're the best recruits. It's not like there's a ton of re-ranking done once kids accept/deny invitations.
I'm not saying Rivals and ESPN don't make slight changes based on who's playing in their all-star games. Frankly, I don't know. But I hardly think a 20:12 ratio is conclusive.
Also, Pipkins moved up to a 5-star on Rivals once he played in the Army game. So it's not like Michigan is always getting screwed over. Even if Morris did suffer a bit of a drop because he's playing in the Under Armour game, it's pretty much negated by the Michigan recruits who play in the Army game.
Basically, this long post is meant to say...it doesn't fucking matter.
How do we look with Levenberry? I know he enjoyed his visit but I hadn't heard much about him recently.
We are in his top 3 with Florida and FSU.
'Bama already has 4 top 100 commits... Jeebus.
I'm suprised he wasn't considered a top 100 prospect.
I'm curious. Other than offers from Michigan and osu what made you think that he would be a top 100 prospect?
I've been hearing a lot about him lately. Some of the people talking about him seem to feel that even though he is as of yet unrated, he is nearly as good as Ty Isaac. I've even heard a few say he might be better (but those are in the minority). I think 24/7 is the site I've heard him talked about most on.
years class could be better then last years IF everything goes well on the field.GO BLUE!!!
Am I the only one who thinks RollDamnTide is a Michigan fan?
That said, if Michigan only takes one LB in this class, I hope it's EJ Levenberry -- like that he could also play DE, and this list seems stacked with skill players considering Michigan, which is good, cause we really need to stock up on some skilled players.
I'm just afraid that he is going to pull off an elaborate long con and troll us all in the end. But, that is just me being paranoid because he seems like a very knowledgeable poster.
I think the staff is going to try to get someone that can play SLB because it seems like we might be lacking some depth there. **This is assuming that Bolden or RJS stay at MIKE.
E.J. Levenberry is basically identical to Jake Ryan in terms of size. Same listed height only Ryan was listed at 220 while E.J. is listed at 226.
I was hoping Jourdan Lewis was going to be on the list.
It is a preliminary list. It is subject to change greatly. Numerous people will fall out of the list and many will be added. People who weren't on the list originally, Pipkins, will become a 5 star. Lot of players still to be evaluated.