Barnum already graduated and what, you're putting Kalis at center? You cray.
2013 offensive line- Schofield's best position
Barnum was a senior in 2012.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
Lima Oscar Lima
<price is right loser horn>
Until u named a former player as a starter.....
I disagree. I think the line should be:
Put Molk in at Center and move Lewan to RT.
On shooting down the joke. I may be way off base, but I think the poster was exaggerating for effect and you ... oh wait I see what you did there. Well played.
I'd start Schilling over Huyge
Lewan, Schofield, Miller, Kalis, Braden seems more likely if you're putting Schofield at guard.
for not tearing the OP a new one! Actually contributing and commenting on what the OP is asking. Pfft.
The equipment manager told me Barnum is coming back. Trust me, it is a reliable source
I hear Hoke is personally recruiting him. He only recruits former players.
This is Michigan, we don't have just any equipment manager.
I'd like to see Jadeveon Clowney play center for us, with Kalis at Guard.
LOL at Kali's for Center
OP probably just read the most recent "insider" report at thewolverine.com.
Basically an anonymous source indicated that Kalis is a possibility. The main point of the article was to say that the coaches are going to try out players at different positions on the line to see what works best.
Kalis can probably play every single position on the line, and is potentially a big upgrade over Miller who has had a lot of struggles getting himself physically ready. Does it really matter that much if Kalis ends up moving over one spot when Kugler is ready to go?
Is bowl season the Time To Make Position Changes? It could be that moving Kalis to center is necessary due to a lack of depth... which wasn't an issue during the bowl season. Barnum and Mealer are now gone, so we're now left with an undersized Miller, a true freshman and maybe a former walk-on. Maybe coaches re-evaluated, thought "who are our best 5 OL," and decided to give Kalis a look there. Not out of the question.
Miller was 288 going into last season. It wouldn't be that much a surprise to see him put on another 10 pounds during the offseason. Playing around 300 isn't that underweight for a C, usually he smallest player on the OL. Molk played around that weight for most of his career (obviously Miller has a long way to go before being as good as Molk which enabled him to play at that weight). Regardless, if you play Kalis at C, you then need to scratch together two Gs out of Bryant, Burzinski, and possibly Bosch. Or you could move Schofield back inside but then Braden or magnusson has to be ready to play RT. Lots of uncertainties regardless of what happens.
I wasn't trying to knock the kid. Hell, I'm sure he's talented enough that he could play any position on the line if he wanted. But I just hadn't heard anything about him possibly playing center before, so I just thought it was more the OP's personal opinion
The thesis of your post is good, but the rest is sub par. Your evidence is "his dad said so" and "our OL was better when he was at Guard" and you disregard the fact that other guys on the line are different as well (including Molk who is in the NFL).
You might be on to something, but not for the reasons you mentioned.
I think we already have RG sealed up by:
SCHOFIELD. Not SchoLfield.
Maybe he is a better guard than tackle (people more knowledgeable about football than me - not hard - would have to chime in), but Kalis at C seems far-fetched. And Ricky Barnum... Well, that's already been beat to death. Most seem to think Jack Milles is the guy at C.
change his name?!?
Am I the last to know this...?
I'm replying mostly to make permanent your misspelling of the name "Miller" in your post correcting the OP's spelling of Schofield.
This whole thread is chock-full of awesomeness.
is it too late for me to steal LIMA OSCAR LIMA for my post?
And desperately seeking a typo in your post, but the fates (or your fat fingers) are not my side.
Too bad for you, I've already received my dialing wand!
Miller is a hard name to spell. Cut him some slack.
Now back to my 2nd grade homework.
"Caulfield... CAULFIELD!!!!" from Capricorn One
but we had a rimmington award winner at center, which I think was a bigger part of it. I do think schof was better at guard than barnum that year.
end up guards in the NFL. That doesn't mean we don't need him at tackle.
If Schofield were to go to guard, I wouldn't want him right next to Lewan. That might create a weak right side of the line. I would put Lewan - Bryant/Kalis - Miller/Kugler - Schofield - Braden (whoever wins those battles, I trust the coaches on that). If he were to stay at tackle then take Braden out and slide one of the other two guards over.
I think Kalis would be wasted at center. He's too good of an athlete and a drive blocker to put at a position that doesn't necessarily require much athleticism in this type of offense. Rodriguez's offense needed a good athlete at center. Borges's does not.
I like the idea of putting Schofield back at OG, because he was better there in 2011 than he was at OT in 2012. However, the right side of that offensive line looks really weak/inexperienced - you have first-time starters at C, RG, and RT.
If I were going to put Schofield at his best position, I would put him at RG. But we're talking about what's best for the TEAM, not just for Schofield. That has to be taken into account. If we're looking at it from a Schofield-centric point of view, I suggest...
From a line-building point of view, the OP's post got me thinking about how to distribute strength players. Is it better to spread Schofield and Lewan out to distribute the talent/ability or is it better to put them together and have a strong side to the line for the offense to kind of lean on (e.g., running to the left more often than the right)?
Sounds like you, Magnus think spreading them out would be better. Isn't there risk in watering down the ability and ending up with, in total, a mediocre line?
You're only as strong as your weakest link. If you keep Lewan and Schofield together (at LT and LG, respectively), the entire right side is potentially weak. If you keep Lewan and Schofield as bookend tackles, then the entire interior of the line is potentially weak.
With a right-handed quarterback, I think it's important for the right side of the line to be strong in the running game. Putting Lewan and Schofield on the left side means you could very well struggle running the ball to the right, and you might constantly have guys in Gardner's face on pass plays. I'd prefer to keep Schofield somewhere on the right side, whether it's at RG or RT. That is, of course, if he's superior to the other options; since the other options are so young, I'm just making the assumption that Schofield is better.
I agree that spreading out the experience in next years offensive line is important. It could be important enough to determine who-plays-where, since so many of our players are versatile enough to move around. Between a previously suggested RG-Braden/Bryant RT-Schofield option, and your RG-Schofield RT-Braden suggestion I'd also pick your idea. Having Schofield between Braden and Miller would be good for both of them by having someone experienced to help when double teamed, and with calling out combo blocks, ect, and would make a much smoother transition for 3 new starters.
It seems as if your potential OL makes the most sense if Braden (or Magnuson) is one of the 5 best OL. If Bryant is among the 5 best (or potentially Bars is), then I would assume Schofield stays at RT, Kalis goes to LG and Bryant to RG.
From what I've heard, I don't think Magnuson will be a legitimate option this season. I think the starting five need to come from Lewan, Schofield, Braden, Miller, Bryant, and Kalis.
his "best" position is a comparative question with the other options at G or T.
His NFL hopes at G probably require 20 more pounds and I'm not sure he has the foot skill to play T in the NFL, but that's a thinly informed opinion.
I would agree that, long-term, putting Kalis at center is probably a waste. But, in the short term, assuming he can pick up the mental aspects of the position, I don't think putting him at center for one season while Kugler gets himself ready is a terrible idea. I don't think anyone would bat an eye at the conclusion that Kalis is most likely a better offensive lineman than Miller, and that Kalis has a big size advantage. Plus, would it really set Kalis that far back to switch to guard after one season, with 3 more years of eligibility left? I think the five OL that the OP listed are most likely the best on the team, and unless there is some reason why Kalis just can't pick up the center spot, the OP's lineup is a good one. Certainly not deserving of all the HALOL criticism it is currently garnering.
Well, Kalis has never played center before. That's my biggest concern there. I certainly think he's a better football player than Miller, but Miller has been playing the position his entire college career. AFAIK, Kalis didn't play center at all last year in practice.
None of us really know how well Kalis would be there, and Miller definitely has the experience advantage. On the other hand, It could be that since Michigan had non-freshman bodies at center last season, albeit not very good ones, coaches didn't really give Kalis an extended look there. Now that the depth there is thinner, he may get a longer look.
support the choice of Kugler at center - with some non-frosh at G and seniors at T the coaches could give Kugler a stretch assignment.
Kugler has the talent and technique, and he might be physically equal to Miller by August.
Center is so knowledge dependent, though, that I suspect Miller is the safer choice over Kalis and Kugler for this season.
I am not sold on Kugler coming in and being ready to play right away, not only because he probably isn't physically ready as a true freshman OL, but because he is switching positions himself. The coaches may have brought him in as a center, but he didn't play much of it in high school. Given that Kalis has a year in the weightroom, and that both players will likely face similar learning curves switching positions, I'd give the nod to Kalis by the slimmest of margins if Miller isn't ready.
Well now that you have your names correct, lets walk through this, shall we?
So you want to convert Kyle Kalis, the most college ready guard/can't miss prospect on offensive line that people have seem in long time, to center? Not only do you want to do that, but you want to do when one class behind him is Patrick Kugler? Son of a NFL offensive line coach and a 5* center who is considered college ready and can't miss as well? This means you're either moving Kalis at some point so Kugler can play, so Kalis doesn't get all four years to master a spot, or Kugler plays for one year (two of Kalis leaves early). Extremely poor use of resources all around. Even more so when you have Miller in the system, a guy who has had multiple years in the system.
After you fix the Kalis bug of course that means you have a free guard and Scholfield remains at tackle where he was an excellent tackle last year.
To add to what I said above.
The OP is probably basing his post on the newest "insider" post on thewolverine.com, or he just happened to come up with the same sort of idea at the same time.
This "trusted anonymous observer" said that he doesn't expect to see Miller at C at the end of the year. Same observer "gave the nod" to Burzynski over Miller.
I'd assume that is Miller isn't ready to go, you just see Burzynski at center. Failing that, Kugler goes in. Or possibly or Braden, who for some reason was listed as a center at one point despite being 6' 6". I don't see the depth chart problem that makes you take Kalis and focus his development on snapping the ball as opposed to be a guard.
It doesn't help when you are the lightest OL on the roster not including freshman.
I guess we will just have to wait for the spring roster to come out to see how much weight he has put on since the season ended.
Not that I think Braden will play center, but our center this year was 6'6".
Mealer was 6'6"?
Edit: I checked the official roster. It lists him at 6'5"... so does that mean he is closer to 6-4?
I'm pretty sure that's an argument against using a 6'6" center. Mealer was not great, and I'm just being nice.
What's the deal with Miller? Is he not developing or is it an offensive fit issue?
The issue has been that he isn't big/strong enough yet. If he can get close to 300 lbs. this offseason (he was 6'4", 288), then he'll have a better chance.
The reason why people think there is a problem with Miller is because his weight is at 288. He has most likely added another 5-6lbs since then though..Also some people think 6'4'' is short..which it isn't. Thats about the average NFL center height and Molk was only 6'1'' so he actually is the ideal size(if you remember borges said Ricky Barnum had the ideal size to play center last spring). If he can come into fall camp around 294-296lbs then we shouldn't worry too much about him being over matched.
Also if you look at this picture of Jack Miller standing next to Kyle Bosch you will see that Miller isn't very small compared to what is supposed to be a manchildBEAST(bosch).
So 2 years in a college S&C program he will be almost as big as a true freshman.
To be fair, I walked past Bosch recently on campus, and size-wise he looked 100% college ready, especially standing next to LTT.
I'm not really sure why you are putting it like that. Are you wanting to argue that Miller is too small and you don't want him to play? I guess I should have also said that Bosch is supposed to be one of the most college ready o-lineman physically. So yeah, Miller being pretty similar in size to a guy who only happens to be a freshman, but is college ready size now is still something to smile about.
Please don't readjust minimum point total for topic posting, this horrible post could have happened to anyone.
ricardo miller has right tackle locked up.
You want your best blockers on the edges. Schofield's best (and future NFL) position might be guard, but we need solid, experienced blockers on the perimeter.
Our best blockers (Lewan, Schofield) were on the perimeter in 2012.
Things did not go well for our running game.
Sorry I have to be that guy.
I work at the same company Schofield's Uncle.
Last month our company rented out the Big House for a dinner in the box and tour of locker room, field, etc... It was truly awesome.
Michael came up to see his Uncle and stayed a long time to talk. What a great kid, handled himself really well around a bunch of 40 and 50 year old men/women who asked pretty stupid questions. Very impressive.
Anyways, take this for what it is worth, but I did ask him about next year and he likes and believes he is a tackle. I tend to agree with his size and speed. But based on that, I would be shocked to see him at guard. Coaches may disagree, but doubt it.
Some threads start out as this crazy, fun, incite full and imaginative idea that get throttled by an awaiting Michigan public! Go Blue!
I would like to take this moment to thank the heavens for Lewan's return. Imagine doing this thought exercise without him penciled in.
I see Schofield at tackle in all scenarios except where Magnuson is one of the top 5 OL. I don't see Magnuson playing guard. This might be the case if Bryant isn't back healthy and Braden is behind Magnuson. In this scenario, I would expect: Lewan, Kalis, Miller/Burzynski, Schofield, Magnuson.
I think if Braden is one of the top 5 OL he'll play guard and Schofield will play OT. His strength is run blocking.
I think people are underestimating Burzynski. He was the first (and only) OL off the bench, and to me he looked ok when he played. Won't be the powerhouse run blocker we'd like but will know what he's doing and block the right guy. I see him as the option if the young guys and Bryant aren't ready.
This being said, I expect Miller to start at center, and I don't see Miller and Burzynski both starting. This makes center the most likely spot for Burzynski.
Line I'd like to see: Lewan, Kalis, Miller, Bryant, Schofield
Braden will start at left guard.
Yo, those hips are fluid.
Any reason he can't be a right tackle? I know that tackles are generally taller, but arent right tackles more run blockers and is the difference between 6'5 and 6'6" really that big of a deal?
arm length for OT
Lewan Schoefield Kugler Kalis Braden
Not only is Barnum gone, but he was pretty bad
The one thing that matters to me is we put together a line that manhandles OSU.
I would like to see more about the positions where michigan has "fixed" themselves based on recruiting alone...my take on it
QB....depends on shane morris
TE....would be nice to see jake butt do good
DL...not fixed yet ....i hope i am wrong
DB...i think they still need 1 more elite recruit here
Spl Teams ....dunno
Just to be clear ...fixed means hoke has addressed their needs in terms of recruiting...does not mean that they will definitely be good at those positions. would love to have this as its own post and see what other ppl think.