We have a very viable chance at being 10-0 going into the Nebraska game.
Are you high?
We have a very viable chance at being 10-0 going into the Nebraska game.
Are you high?
Did you look at his avatar and username? I'd say...yes, at times.
I'd say... yes, at all times.
Well, he does go by "Rastafari" and it is the 20th of April....
but its not 420 yet...
Between now and September be numbered? Is this even #1?
But it's awesome.
I promised you that one day I would just hijack a thread with dinosaurs. I was a little late to actually hijack it, but I've been waiting for an opportunity for a while.
I thought it would be one of mine. But this was a very appropriate thread to do it in. Well Done.
(And better that you waited. Revenge...uh, hijacking...is a dish best served cold. Let it sneak up on you).
Sadly, Shoe is correct. We should all brace ourselves for the banality to come.
Its optimistic but realistic, if that makes sense. It is possible that we start 10-0, but for how much it pains me MSU could be a tough game. Iowa and Illinois are also tough games every year it seems. At the end of the regular season, I see 8-4 or 9-3, losing to Ohio, Nebraska and Iowa. With MSU being a tossup. I hope I am wrong though, for the better of course.
FWIW, its a pretty soft schedule compared to most years. I'd say a safe guess is in the 8-4 range with any more than that being bonus. But sure 10-0 is possible...not probable, but possible.
It definitely helps having the majority of the games at home, 8 IIRC.
Why are you more worried about MSU than ND? I've seen this sentiment repeatedly (from many posters).
In my eyes, MSU is Iowa 2009 - squeaking by with close, lucky wins like ND in OT, Purdue, and when NW handed them the game - and will regress back to the mean this season. So MSU looked a little better than they actually were...until they got absolutely hosed by Bama.
Plus, a weak spot on their team - the OLine - has to replace two tackles and a center, the top three most important positions on the line. They do return all but one of their skill players. Their defense loses their linebackers and - most importantly - their leaders and brains in Greg Jones and Eric Gordon. They have some guys coming into those positions, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Notre Dame, OTOH, is coming off four consecutive victories. Those were over ranked Utah, USC, and unranked Miami and Army. Their defense actually seemed to come together after the Tulsa game, holding Army and Utah to 3 points, USC to 16, and Miami to 20. Tommy Rees, while not being 5-star Dayne Crist, can play Brian Kelly's system and looked better than Crist did in any of his games and they have arguably the best receiver in college football.
Plus, while Dantonio hasn't exactly been recruiting scrubs, every single year Weis was there he absolutely killed it in recruiting and Brian Kelly has shown he can develop players.
I'm open to being more worried about MSU, but the way people are overlooking ND is really surprising to me.
The same response I will give to all of these threads until August.
6-6. Losses to Notre Dame, Northwestern, Iowa, Michigan State, Nebraska, and OSU.
That's quite harsh. Agree to disagree with you on those losses.
The lower my expectations are the less my pain or greater my joy come November.
Well I guess thats one way to look at it....
a Rose Bowl Avatar??? Paradoxical statement! Can't get to the Rose Bowl thinking 6 and 6. Cheer up and enjoy the "hope" each off season has to offer; by doing so, you will be a healthier person.
Well this ones an easy one: we are not going to the Rose Bowl this year. We are not a good football team.
Do I want us to go 6-6? No. Has this team shown they are capable of beating Nebraska, Ohio, Michigan State, or Iowa? No. Notre Dame is going to be much better this year. We barely beat them last year with their third string QB playing most of the game. Northwestern is the first road game after 5 straight home games. Smells like a recipe for an upset.
Notre Dame-Better football team than we are right now
Northwestern-Trap game, first road game
MSU-Clearly a better team than us
Iowa-Haven't proven we can beat them yet. Lots of uncertainty but talented
I hope I am wrong. But those people who say the schedule benefits us and we should be 10-0 are dulsional.
There's a lot that benefits us in those games too. ND was a dropped TD against USC from being 6-6 (Dude was WIDE open). They aren't some juggernaught that can't be stopped. We get them at home, and I don't think we're going to give up two 50+ yard touchdown passes again this year.
Northwestern might be back to being Northwestern.
MSU was clearly better than us last year, but they lose some valuable pieces, and I feel much better about our defense stopping them this time around.
You pointed out the uncertainty at Iowa.
Nebraska and OSU will certainly be tough games, but the schedule does set up for a nice start to build some confidence. If MSU could go 11-1 last year, why can't we be similarly surprising this season?
ND is definitely beatable, but Kelly is a very, very good coach and I wouldn't pencil in a win.
NU should have Persa back to being somewhat Persa when we play them. They should be in one of the better (but non BCS) bowls this year IMO.
MSU will be overrated coming into the season.
Nebraska kind of imploded (not to say we didn't) at the end of the stretch. I think a few tough losses or blowouts will have them on their heels the rest of the year. OSU/Wisconsin/someone else might do a lot of work for us on the UN front.
MSU is not a clearly better team than us at the moment. They lost an elite LB corp, and still have to contend with Denard. Secondly, they also have a weak secondary. So, couple a young/unproven linebacker corp with a sub-par backfield and I like our chances. Hat for a hat on the front 4/5 and let Denard Tree and Hemingway go to work on those corners and safeties..
Also, FWIW they have 1 starter in their secondary over 6'0.
Id argue the Notre Dame thing, but theres no point. I wont believe in the Irish being good until they can beat us.
And Iowa.. that situation is a mess. If we can stop the run there (a big IF) we can probably win that game. They have no quarterback that has solidified yet..
Thank God somebody else thinks MSU is getting WAYYYY too much credit. Iowa 2009. That is all.
I do disagree about ND. I think they're going to be 9-3/10-2 with potential to make a BCS Bowl because they're ND.
Iowa's QB is James Vandenberg who, when filling in for Stanzi, performed really well against OSU. I do not think there situation is as big of a mess as people are making it out to be.
What is a huge unknown right now is how our offense will perform. I think we will see a pretty steep drop off from last year, offensively. Our defense will be better but probably still bad. I just dont see us beating MSU, ND, Nebraska, or OSU. NW and Iowa are toss-ups I guess but I tend to go more pessimistic in order to not get my hopes up.
Yeah but the greater you pain for the next 5 months til the season starts because you will be down about the upcoming season.
So if I said 3-9 you would dfjbsa;dgkj, ah crap sorry I just verped from typing that.
Spoken like a man who sets a goal to get married to an overweight toothless $20 prostitute!
No way Michigan loses to Northwestern.. Hoke and Co. wont let that happen
Undefeated & MNC champs... Boom...
Wait, it's 420... Propose this question tomorrow.
Eyelid tats? Really?
How does one get tats on their eyelids without destroying their eyes in the process?
and MSU has LT replacing Greg Jones at MLB. I could see 8-2 as a possibility. I gotta think M stumbles somewhere and runs into a couple games where we can't run the ball or complete some 3rd down passes while our DBs are exposed. 8-9 wins on the season looks likely
Looking at the schedule I would say that would be quite possible if we had kept RR, but with the whole changes with the system, even if we do well, there will be some hiccups early on. We will not be 10-0 going into nebraska in other words.
If we had kept RR, the defense would still suck ass and we would lose just as many games as we will under Hoke.
UM's point differential (points scored vs. points allowed) in 2011 will be better under Hoke than it would have been under RR IME.
I'm assuming he meant that it were possible under RR if the defensive changes that everyone agreed were necessary for him to keep his job, were made.
I'm assuming that there would have been defensive coaching changes and it would have improved (it had to of...it couldn't have gotten worse, right?) Next year I truly think RR would have ended with a better record than hoke, with that said, I do the the future is better with hoke. I'm glad with the coaching change. I really don't want this to be another RR vs BH thread though....
I say losses to ND, Nebraska, OSU
Remember that prediction thread right after the Spring Game where the OP was predicting DOOM and calling everyone a pussy? This is like the complete opposite of that.
8-9 wins this season... I smell some rivalry games actually being close again!
Wins: Western, Eastern, Northwestern, Minnesota, SDSU, Purdue
Toss-ups: Notre Dame, Msu, Iowa, And Illinois
Losses: Nebraska, and OSU
So I guess we have a chance to go 10-0 assuming we win every toss-up and take care of business against the weaker opponents.
But if we start 10-0 Nebraska and OSU won't be expected losses anymore!!! This speculation is so confusing!
Edit: Why does our schedule always set us up for an amazing start, so we all get hyped up way too much. Then we get brought back down to earth once we get to the tougher stretch.
Illinois is a toss-up? They'll have less talent, less experience and worse coaching than us. They had 2 really good defensive players last year that kept them in games, and they'll both be gone to the NFL.
I'm not saying it's a given, but not a toss-up. If Illinois beats us it will be a decent upset, IMO.
Anything less, with this (offensive) talent would be unacceptable.
So your saying theres a chance???
I'll say 8-4
Another New Year's Day Bowl. Hopefully a win there for 9-4
Couple of things to note............peeps are looking past Northwestern. Except in CFB, teams that start with 5 straight home games, tend to suck ass when they finally hit the road for the first time. That's a total trap game with MSU on deck. Not saying we lose to NW, but I am saying we drop a fourth in a row to Sparty. We'll stumble somewhere else. And, I by no means put any ND game in the victory column. In fact, after the last seasons, we might get some karma repaid to us in that series.
I'm thinking 8-2 after 10 games and I just have doubts we are ready to beat Brasker and/or OSU to close the year. But, we will be better, especially on D, so I would take 8-2 and our chances. At least there are at home.
MSU vs Wisco, btw, in the first Big 10 Championship Game. Book It
No way Jamie - the Sparty luck train has hit its last station. They'll have 4 conference losses.
I predict 10-2, losses to ND and OSU. We'll beat Iowa, MSU and a tight one against Nebraska at home. That would put us in the B1G champ game.
I too have been worried about the ND game. Karma and all that but also consider there is no countdown clock for ND which I consider on par with MSU. I believe Kelly will have his team up big time for this high profile game. I believe it will be a bloodbath of epic proportions. Aaaaaand we win!
I see a mean of 9-10 wins providing DR runs the ball on average 15 times a game and we take advantage of his stengths. Our defense is no longer half freshmen and retread journeymen. You will be shocked what you can do with half decent corners.
Lets look at tossup games. Illinois just lost a 1st or 2nd Round RB and their best defensive player. Iowa lost about everyone. NW has an extreme talent disadvantage. I think UM can win that shootout.
The games that concern me the most are ND, MSU, Neb, and OSU. 3 of 4 are home games. With the exception of OSU all of the teams have flaws that can be exploited. I watchd Neb against Wash in their bowl game and I was not impressed. They seemed to take a step back. As mentioned before MSU loses a ton on defense. And when does Cousins make big plays? He does okay if given time. ND has huge question marks as they may not be with Floyd, do not have a #RB, and have no clue who the QB is. They do have a lot of talented players.
If we try to restart the offense and insist to make DR into something he is not, mean goes to 7-8.
How do you figure that NW has a serious talent disadvantage? Not sure what their recruiting has been like, but with the exception of a few guys, our entire roster is made up of 3* recruits that were recruited to play in a system that favors different strengths.
Don't take this as a criticism of our team - and obviously we have some awesome players - but I am just curious to know how you arrive at the serious talent disadvantage.
...and that's just the guys who have played significant time . There's plenty more that I didn't include (Stokes, Gardner, Campbell, Ash, M. Robinson, etc...)
Northwestern has one 4 star player from 2007-2011.
P.S. I'm not trying to start an argument, just providing some information!
For some reason, I didn't realize that Shaw and Koger were that highly ranked.
A few months back, there was a thread where I listed the large # of 3 and 4* talent that has transferred out or not qualified over the past 4-5 classes, and the numbers were disheartening. Got me into a glass half empty mode. Thanks for the positive info.
You think we don't have a huge talent advantage over NW? You think our roster is all 3 stars?
Projected starters on offense with 4+stars: Denard, Stonum, Roundtree, Koger, Shaw, Lewan, Barnum, Schofield. Maybe one or two of those don't start, but 6 of those are locks. Defense: RVB, Martin, BWC or QW (whoever starts), Roh, C Gordon, Demens, JB Fitzgerald (maybe), MRob (maybe). Again, somewhere between 6 and 8. I promise NW doesn't have as many 4+ stars on their roster this fall as we have in our starting line-up. This does not mean they'll be a certain win, but to say we don't severly out talent them is silly.
We obviously have much better potential talent than NW, but with it being our first road game and with the new system that could be a trap game.
I love this game!
I predict 8 wins - losses to ND, Neb and OSU, as well as a loss to one of the following: Illinois, NW or Lil Bro.
However, I do think that some of our B10 wins will be more comfortable and our losses will be more competitive.
There is no way we get through at Sparty, at Iowa and home to ND at 10-0. I'm a pessimist but that's hard to believe in the best of cases.
I'm not trying to get in to predictions this year but I think 8-4 would be a good achievement with the coaching change.
wins, but when you stare at the schedule (okay, squint at it, and in rose colored light) it doesn't seem impossible. ND and the confidence the team would take from a win over them, might well be the key.
God, I have been nursing my annoyance over the RR debacle right up to the present. But when I take a look at that schedule. . . I see a lot of teams I have come to hate the last 3-4 years. I used to look on football so much more benignly in the days when we tended to crush all comers.
7-5. I think it's ridiculous to think that we'll be significantoly better than that, especially with our defense.
What do you mean by "with our defense?". I'm not saying we'll have a top 10 defense or anything this year, but I have a hard time using D as a reason for mediocrity. Our D last year was bad, but it's been established how our coaching staff didn't seem to have a clue how run a D and we were still young. Now we return everyone save Mouton and bring in a top notch staff. D could very well be a strength, but it will not drag us down.
I think that it's virtually impossible to improve significantly enough to say that we'll be a solid defense with how badly those players performed on the field. Mattison can only do so much.
Why should we expect the same mediocre team that took the field last year when we return everyone and have better coaches.
I only say "better," because that's obviously the point of a coaching change, to improve your abilities at running a football team.
We return everyone, but our defense didn't exactly have a lot of talent last year, and better coaching isn't going to make players better than they really are. We have better coaching on defense, but the talent isn't there. On offense... I'm definitely not ready to say that this staff is significantly better than the last before they've even coached a game. Borges's resumé doesn't exactly instill confidence in his abilities either.
"Better" is what the goal of a coaching change is, but it's definitely too early to say this staff's better yet. I know that Hoke's track record doesn't give me a ton of reason to believe that he can turn around a team in one year.
First of all - coaching and scheme can make a big difference, especially when it's been established that those things were sorely lacking last year. If our coaching and scheme was "meh" last year, then a new staff wouldn't make a big difference. But that's not the case.
I also think you're really underestimating the amount a player can improve from one year to the next. Between physical growth, technique training and added game experience, these guys stand to improve quite a bit. Our defense will have more depth, size and experience. Our DBs will go from "clueless" to "mediocre," and that change right there might be enough for a full win. Woolfolk in for Rogers alone could do that, not to mention the improvements on young guys like Avery, Johnson, Robinson, etc.
Again, I'm not saying the defense will turn heads, but they will be middle of the Big Ten, I predict. And that will make a big difference.
Mattison improves the defense and whether Borges and a new system cause the offense regress rather than improve upon last year.
The offense needs to remain close to the same level as last year, with Denard shoring up some turnover troubles and a running back emerging to help him.
The defense needs to chop about 7 to 10 point off that awful 35.2 a game. A better defense creating turnovers and shortening the field for the offense will go a long way in helping the offense transition.
Not to mention it would be nice to see a field goal or two, so our offense can drive 65 yards and not feel like it was a total waste when the ball flies wide left.
I'll be optimistic and say that by August, Borges will have a good understanding of the offense's strengths and what it will take to win football games. I'm sold that Mattison, on top of the incremental improvement experience should bring, will bring our defense back to somewhere right around average/slightly below average.
What does it mean for the first ten games? If the above comes to pass, because of Hoke, I don't think we lost to MSU. As much as I hate to say it, that game has become incredibly important and I believe he'll have everyone locked in for a victory.
The game that worries me is Notre Dame. Out of the first 10 opponents, they are the one that I truly think will be better than us. However, we are at home and it will be the first game under the lights.....
Illinois and Northwestern will both be tougher games than Iowa. I think we handle Iowa this year, they lose a lot, we lose no one and really, we were a slightly below average defense away from beating them last year.
10-0 is very possible, especially if we luck out with injuries and find a running back. If I had to bet my life on it right now, I'd say 8-2 with a loss to Notre Dame and one to Illinois/Northwestern.
tosu, Nebraska, Wiscy
I'll take all the action you are willing to risk that Wisconsin doesnt beat Michigan this year. No way the Badgers beat the Wolverines.
It might be the biggest lock out there
Give me a three-leg parlay of UM not losing to PSU, Indiana and Wisconsin. 6:1 payout on a bazillion dollars == sweet.
Not if we play them in the B1G Championship Game!
Wisconsin loses a lot, but Michigan was just a few plays from being 4-8. I'm reserving my excitement until they either beat Notre Dame and deserve the win or have one loss after beating MSU. I can't get wrapped up in an illusory strong start again.
to get us into the Big Ten Title Game?
I honestly think 10 wins is possible but only if our special teams improves greatly. We are all in agreement that the D will be somewhat better next year because they can't be any worse. Our offense may take a small step back but I think we have to many returning starters for it to be anything more than that. So in order to win 10 games we will have to pull off a couple of close games. This often relies on your ability to make a FG! I am praying that the in coming kicker will cure this problem for us because the result could be a great season.
the majority here do NOT think my opinion is far out of whack? Keep a cool head mon...stay positive.....let the punt land and bounce our way for once in a LONG time......
It would be worth spending a scholarship on a guy who can wave fair catch and hold on the damn ball every single punt.
If Tyrone Willingham could stumble his way to 8-0 with all the luck he had his first season, I think Hoke is a shoe-in for 10-0.
Not buying the Sparty love - they should be a toss-up, and only because it's on the road.
Last year Sparty's big year was due to a lot of average B10 teams and missing out on one of the two good teams in the league. Sparty was 1-2 against top 25 teams, and although their Wisconsin win was a good one, it was the only impressive thing they did all year. The other two good teams MSU played absolutely blew them out. They lose their star defender and a handful of other starters. I think MSU takes a small step back, but even that 2010 MSU team probably goes 9-3 at best this year.
Yes, they did beat us by 17 last year (which is a solid margin, but not exactly a blowout). However, a couple things go differently and it's a completely different ballgame. First, Denard had a bad day throwing the ball, completing about half his passes and throwing 3 picks. Those three picks lead to 10 Sparty points, and one of the picks was when we were 4 yards from scoring. That's your 17 points right there.
Also, MSU ran for 250 yards in that game, with 102 of that coming on 2 big runs. This year our run D will be improved, but even if we can eliminate those two big runs it's a major improvement. And we missed a FG, which maybe that will be better this year and maybe not.
Lastly, although MSU returns a decent number on both sides of the ball, they lose some big playmakers too. Mark Dell is who really beat us in the receiving game - 93 yards and a TD - and he's gone. Charlie Gantt, their big TE, is also gone. Cousins will be a senior, but he won't have the same targets he had a year ago. Plus, outside of Donald Spencer who I haven't heard much about, MSU hasn't brought in any playmakers at WR in the last few classes.
In summary, MSU is a push at worst. Last year, they outgained us by 150 yards, but were +3 in turnovers, had 2 big plays and didn't miss a FG, which we did. Combine that with the fact that our team is taking a step forward from 2010, and MSU is likely taking a stepback (albeit a small one), I think MSU is, at worst, a toss-up.
Just that your avatar is hyp-mo-tizing me.
Over ND & Ohio. Every other win would be icing on the cake.
Big Blue has a good chance of beating the bucks this year. Notre Dame not so much. It's going to suck if we lose the first night game at Michigan Stadium.
I'm saying 8 wins tops.
can someone please explain the new "ohio" thing? Is it just to annoy OSU people, or is there some history to it?
Bo spent the whole year preparing for M-OSU 1969. This was the year of "50" and putting labels on everything with the number 50 to motivate the team after the 1968 M-OSU debacle. The week before the game, the players had an impromptu "Beat Ohio" chant going in the locker room. Other then that, I couldn't tell you where it comes from.
1. The Giants do not play ND or "Ohio" - they are in the NFL. They are also "Big Blue." We are not.
2. We don't play Ohio University this year. Even if we did, I wouldn't consider it to be a big deal if we beat them - they are terrible. I would rather beat OSU.
3. Would you really be fine with a 2-10 season that included a loss to MSU?
4. You think that we have no chance against ND, but that we have a good chance to beat the "bucks"? Seriously? Even with their off the field problems, the "bucks" are loaded at virtually every position. Add to that the fact that the tat 5 will be playing in only their 7th game of the season - i.e. less banged up than if they played the full 12. Sorry, that game scares me the most.
Given the schedule this year I'm assuming everyone would know I meant Eastern Michigan, Western Michigan, and San Diego State. Much the same as ND and Ohio.
The Notre Dame game (I spelled it out just for you) scares me the most because of my close proximity to South Bend. Around these parts it's the biggest game of the year and if we lose I'm going to have to here about it for a year.
Obviously 2-10 will not be good enough, that's why I picked 8-4 at the end.
I'm not even going to explain "Big Blue" and what it means to me personally.
Given how my day has gone thus far, I'm going to acknowledge that I typed "here" when I should have typed "hear" before someone proof reads my post and kindly points it out to me.
This is like my third day on Mgoblog. I can't wait for tomorrow.
Mgoblog: It's not just a blog, it's an adventure.
coaching staff brings Michigan closer to being Michigan again. id say the nd game could be a tough one because it is still in the first part of the year. maybe i am into the hokorgessitson coolaid too much, then again maybe it is good to have hope once again. the more the season goes on the closer the coaches will have our guys where they want them in the new schemes. remember lots of experience and these are players recruited to Michigan so there are brains available to adjust and i am thinking the schemes wont be as complex. i could see a couple of brain fart losses but i could also see (easier schedule, dominos falling in the correct order) no losses going into closer than the experts think contests with brasker and 'ohio'! Go Blue bringing back the glory!
This has got to be one of the harder seasons to predict given the amount of returning starters, an easier schedule, a new coaching staff, an emphasis on defense, returning starting QB for the first time in a while, etc.
I'd be willing to bet that the improved defense (top 60 at least when all is said and done), will make up for the potential lag on the offensive side of the ball. If Matt Wile comes in and is a tenth of as advertised, that makes two of three phases improved leaving the offense as the deciding factor for the season. Because I see Denard really growing into something special as the season goes on, I see a 9 win season at worst (including bowl the game; 9-3 bowl game loss or 8-4 bowl game win). I think the crop of 6-6 and 7-5 regular season Big Ten teams from last year are mostly all on the rise, while Wisconsin, OSU, and MSU will likely falter. The league will be fairly balanced I think.
I do see the Notre Dame game as dangerous because it's so early, but hopefully the festive atmosphere and the tribute to Desmond will inspire the team to beat the Irish for a third straight year. I think Hoke's got a good shot at beating OSU and an even better chance at beating MSU. Nebraska is hard to guage with them being new to the league.
Should be a very exciting season though.
I think that one would have to say that we should expect 7 games, anything after that is good coaching and the players taking to the new system.
I predict 9 wins. 10 is possible but depends on how well the 2nd units mature and step up!
7-5. The new system won't be doing the offense any favors. Losses to ND, MSU (ugh), Neb, OSU, and one other team in a game we should have won-maybe Iowa or NW. Best case 10-2, worst 6-6.
I think UM will beat msu
But I see 9 wins.
But I see 9 wins.
7-5 on the year. Not where I want (and likely not quite where we'd be with Rodriguez) but we haven't seen much to think otherwise.
Western - W
ND - L
Eastern - W
SDSU - W
Minny - W
NW - W
MSU - L
Purdue - W
Illinois - 50/50 W/L
Iowa - 50/50 W/L
Nebraska - L
Ohio - L
I think we lose 1 to either Illinois or Iowa, but not both. End the year 7-5, a no-name bowl, and hopefully get to crackin' next year.
Of course, I'm up for a surprise and these are (always) subject to change.
Vegas has released the bettings lines today. Michigan at 7 wins Over/Under
MSU at 7.5
Boise State at 10.5
I think I will take Michigan and Boise State Over