You can kiss Hart goodbye.
2011 Early Enrollers: Dee Hart & Greg Brown
You forgot the - (No Homo).
On the contrary. Hart has reaffirmed that he can play at UM in any system. I think he just loves UM that much that he is not totally consumed with who is coaching the team.
You don't make your coaching choice based on an incoming recruit's status. If the recruit doesn't like the new coach, what do we care. If the assumption is that a new coach is an upgrade, then, losing one recruit doesn't alter the equation.
No one can ever say, a particular recruit is guaranteed to be good. Everyone thought TP was God's gift to the QB position. Not so much, right? How about Bryce Brown, who supposedly was the best running back the year he came out... is he even playing D-I football now? Etc etc. You never know. Can't keep a coach just because he got a particular recruit.
Agreed, but I think a consideration every AD must consider before deciding on a coaching change is how it would affect recruiting in general combined with potential transfers. You still can't base a coaching decision on that factor in a vacuum, but it is still a valid consideration.
"I was prepared for some attrition when I became Michigan's coach. I can honestly say we did not lose a guy who really could have helped us. I didn't lose any sleep over anyone who quit that spring..."
"Man that really sucked losing all of those players. We sure could have used them. In fact, we probably wouldn't have went 3-9" Is that what he is supposed to say?
The quote you responded to is from Bo, not RR.
That sucks. The point I was trying to make is that every coach in the country would probably say the same thing. I think that still stands no matter who the quote is attributed to. I definitely took the quote out of context, though. my bad. Carry on.
This was a test of my douchebag trap. Hell, it doesn't even need tweaking. It grabs them and gathers negs all at the same time, especially the ones who appear to be out of their element. Thanks Bo!
didn't have to worry about scholarship limits. Attrition is a bigger deal when you have to manage an 85 man roster
O has gone from awful to fabulous with two years of recruiting and three years of tutelage and almost everyone returns. D's another story and needs some serious work, but when you have very few upperclassman playing you have to wonder why? What does that say about past recruiting? We should have some RS seniors, seniors and juniors that have the talent to play. If not, why? Oh yeah, it's RR's fault even though he's only had two years of recruiting.
Would you say that Stevie Brown (partly as a result of his new position) improved, stayed the same, or got worse in '09?
2009: 11 GP, 66 tackles, 3 TFL, 0 sacks, 2 INT
2010: 10 GP, 102 tackles, 7.5 TFL, 2 sacks, 2 INT
Sorry the defense still sucks (since Mouton is one of only three competent upperclassmen on the entire roster) but Mouton has gotten dramatically better this season.
The coaching staff have done everything they could to replace Ezeh with two walk-ons and finally replaced him with a guy in the middle of his sophomore season who was loads better. Some guys just aren't able to play football at this level. Having one of them on your team and no one else on the roster to play MLB doesn't mean you are a bad coach.
I'd concede that RichRod's '09 recruiting effort on defense already looks miserable and that it will hurt the program for years to come.
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To your main point, save your energy. No amount of logic and reason is going to convince RichRod's detractors that not having any cornerbacks in the '06 recruiting class can be blamed on anyone else. Similarly, they'll never admit that *maybe* Lloyd's recruiting slipped a bit near the end. NO MORE EXCUSES HIM HAVE THREE YEARS ME NOT HEARING ANYTHING ELSE!
better than he's ever going to get credit for (and I'm also apparently alone in thinking Jibreel Black was under-starred as a 3-star when you look at his offer list).
Unfortunately those guys are freshman and incoming freshmen and youth is apparently now an "excuse" when they start en masse.
If you ran the same bunch of current freshman onto the field next year and the year after with a different D coordinator (or with GERG, for that matter) they will be unquestionably better. The anti RichRod crowd won't acknowledge this...for obvious reasons.
The problem with your argument is that we could lose some of the recruits we already have and lose out on some of the top targets that we pursuing. Now, one recruit a class does not make, but how about two or three and missing on some targets? We desperately need defensive talent. Would frost, walls, lyons, countess, myriad other targets.. want to come here and go through another coaching change? I don't know.
As far as a "particular" recruit not being a guaranteed star: I don't think Hart is an absolute can't miss, but UM is surely hedging its bet with the #1 all purpose back and the #3 all purpose back(hayes). Would a coaching change get them to change their minds? I don't know. That's the frustrating part. We don't know what a coaching change will do as far as recruiting. But, you can't say that the recruiting landscape should not be a part of the equation-because it is.
I'm not saying that the status of a committed recruit should direct the decision behind keeping or firing a coach. It should, along with the rest of the class, be taken into consideration when evaluating the direction/future of this team. Is a coach looking at the teams deficiencies and trying to remedy them by getting talent in those positions? This is a question that is probably being considered, as it should be.
in the Detroit News as basically saying that he's staying if Fred Jackson stays. Considering that Jackson is one of two guys from the current staff that I think a new coach would strongly consider keeping (Bruce Tall being the other) I think Hayes commitment is secure. No idea on Hart though.
So we won't judge a Head Coach based on the response of a couple of players.
Like Mallett, Clemons or Boren.
I'd actually agree with that. Particularly insofar as Clemons is the only guy who even attributed his departure to an honest disagreement with a cocaching scheme. Mallett and Boren were likely far more psychosocial, way beyond the personage of the Head Coach.
but i do think you can keep a coach based on an amazing recruiting class. if we were top 3 with a few 5 star guys coming in i think that could make a difference
Ron Zook salutes you!
A coaching change can also result in some potential new recruits (remember Roy Roundtree?) to offset potential losses. Personally, I hope RR is back, so I'm not using this as an argument to replace him, but in the extreme hypothetical, isn't it possible that some of Stanford's top ten incoming class are more committed to Harbaugh than to a Stanford team with a new staff?
Again, I am not advocating the change or suggesting that Harbaugh would be the guaranteed replacement, but the decision to change coaches should not be driven by the fear of losing current commitments.
Hart already commented on that subject when he committed and said he was choosing Michigan because of it's business program.
A coaching change to the candidate who everyone agrees is the only possible replacement might actually help in recruiting a better class. No one knows for sure.
Walls will be making his decision very soon -- not to be "that guy" who creeps on Facebook but he said last night that he is defriending everyone as he moves toward his choice (something along those lines).
So it doesn't leak or eliminating options and narrowing it down? If it's the first, why not avoid posting it on Facebook?
Probably just to avoid having his account blow up as fans of the non-selected schools make poor decisions online.
Yeah -- his picture is him making an "O" with his hands...FWIW.
Glad to see that Greg Brown is solid commit to UM now. We need the depth badly. I am also excited that Dee is an EE so that he can possibly contribute right away next year. His athletic ability is up there with the best.
Hopefully Walls and Frost commit to UM, having them as EE would be nice too.
Avery and Kris are also welcome to enroll early, I'll even pay for their first meal at Blimpy Burger.
Has there been any word on if Byron Moore would qualify as a potential early enrollee?
Even if he does, he's not coming to Michigan
Maybe I missed something but when did we fall out of the running with Moore?
Besides his interview with Tom, there were really no indications we were ever in it. In all interviews from other sites, he's never even mentioned us.
Many are speculating that he stays out west, IIRC.
YRC (You recall correctly, it's something I just ad-libbed there)
I typed slowly and didn't see your post until I posted my response. My bad.
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That's good to know. I suspect he sees an opportunity to make an early impact given our secondary situation this year. Hopefully he can.
An early impact would be nice, but I'm personally hoping that we can redshirt all of our corners coming in this year.
Delonte and Brown RS. If we get Countess - he redshirts (and Kitchen too if we offer).
My guess is that Crawford doesn't. Nothing to substantiate this. I think he's more ready to play and has that CB/FS versatility. Might depend on what we do with Woolfolk too.
...at least the part I could see for free (darned paywall) was really, really positive on guy talking about instinctive knowledge of coverage/finding the ball with excellent footwork, etc. And remember, ESPN's evaluation of William Campbell was the only one that matched his performance so...
So that one example probably gives credit to every evaluation
I'd like to see basically all of our freshmen redshirt. If he puts in the work and earns a starting spot over some of the upperclassmen (assuming it's not based on the upperclassmen's shortcomings), though, I'd prefer that.
What about Greg Brown moving to FS and now redshirting? Admittedly, this is purely an "if we don't get Avery Walls" scenario, but in the event we don't get a true FS in this class, I'd like to see Greg Brown move to FS and compete with Vinopal right away. He'll have all spring to pick up the mental aspect of it, and all winter, spring and summer to add the bulk (most of the updated sites have him at 5'11" and 185, so another 5-10 lbs on that by August is doable and sufficient).
With all the other young corners we have, Brown will be behind a lot of people. If he moved to FS he'd have a good chance to contribute and his scholarship would be put to better use, IMO.
Any word on Kinard?
So if recruits enroll early, are they able to be counted as a part of last year's class thus opening up spots in the 2011 class for more players? I know there has been some confusion about this in the past, and I don't know if I ever really got a definitive answer.
IIRC yes they can be counted towards last year's class if last year's class had any fillable openings that were left unfilled. Maybe that is the case because of Kinard/Dorsey/etc. I'm not totally sure.
At this point we'll hit the overall 85 scholarship limit before we hit the 25 annual limit. The team is finally operating with a full roster of scholarship players and doesn't lose very many seniors.
I know it doesn't technically answer your question, but it should explain why we aren't bending over backward to get EE's like we did last year.
He should be crowned the starting RB.
I think that crown would just get in the way when he puts his helmet on.
Kris Frost has said he's going to announce at the Army All America game and then early enroll wherever he goes. The Army game is on January 7th. Winter term classes begin on January 5th. I know that different rules apply to football players and the Athletic Dept has certain (limited) magic powers, but in the happy event that he commits to us, it's not like he's going to show up the next day and be a Michigan student athlete. He needs to be admitted, move to Ann Arbor, register, etc. Is it realistic to think he would be able to early enroll at Michigan, at least for winter?
Note : it occurs to me as I write this that I really ought to spend my time thinking about something else.
.. a great point, he can't commit two days after classes start and be ready for the 2nd semester. One option might be that he's is going to enroll at his school of choice and keep it a secret. Than after the game make his announcement.
This is what he'll do. When Big Will announced at the AAA game, he was already enrolled at UM. This is what Frost would do as well. He'd enroll at his school of choice but not show up because he'd be at the AAA bowl, announce at the bowl, then show up for the third (or so) day of classes at UM. They aren't really worried about the first week of classes for the EE guys, it's more to get them on campus and acclimated. Devin Gardner missed about the first 3 weeks of classes when he enrolled early, and it wasn't no thang.
So sick of you so called "fans" wanting to fire RR and start over AGAIN!!!! Are u people that stupid...we have improved every year he has been here..only has had his guys for 2 years now...and they will all be back.......Please convert to spartan fans and stay away from us real fans.