Looks like you forgot the TE, which would be Koger
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Looks like you forgot the TE, which would be Koger
Floyd Simmons won't start anything other than special teams. I'd put Roundtree in the slot over Tay. And I'd guess that Shaw is the starter over V. Smith.
1. You only have 10 guys on offense
2. That spot should either be a TE (Koger most likely) or another slot (Roundtree)
3. As others have pointed out Floyd Simmons? Um where is our favorite walk-on Kovacz?
Well, who's gonna play SLB?...
is up in the air with Smith's injury.
My guess is Shaw getting the starts, with other running backs getting some decent PT.
I don't think Floyd Simmons will be a starter, not sure who will take Stevie Brown's place - I thought it would be B.Smith, now I'm guessing that spot is open for competition.
What about one of Hawthorne, Jones, or Bell?
I heard Jones moved to inside linebacker, but I'm not sure where Bell has been. Either inside or at the WILL spot.
In our defense, the WILL is an inside LB.
I'm 99% sure Bell is a SAM
Bell weighs like 230 now. he's an inside backer. Jones has been moved in there as well.
Serious Barwis porn.
Thanks. I learned something today.
I was concerned about recruiting 190lb "linebackers" but now I'm sold. I'm very glad he's moved to the inside. I was starting to think we had way too many SAMs
no...the depth probably looks a bit like this...
MLB: Ezeh (Sr), Fitzgerald (Jr), Demens (So), Bell (Fr)
WLB: Mouton (Sr), Leach (Jr), Jones (So)
SLB: Hawthorne (Fr), Simmons (So), Kovacs? (So), Furman? (Fr)
you are 100% wrong
Man, it's killing us.
We couldn't get Hill or Witherspoon on campus. We couldn't keep Cissoko on the team. And now Brandon Smith apparently is heading out.
That's four 4*s that could be providing defensive depth.
disagree to some extent.
booboo wasn't starting before he got suspended, and was getting burned big time when he was. i can't imagine that he would have been able to hold off turner next season. probably still would have started if warren left, but chritian's good too...
smith was backing up young walk-ons at all three positions they tried him at this season...kovacs, simmons, leach. i don't understand why everyone was penciling him as a future star.
spoon might have helped out...but to expect more out of him than we're getting out of fitz is sort of biased, i think.
hill would probably be playing at rohs position in our defense, and idk, im happy with roh.
Dude, you can only piss and moan on the same topic repeatedly on so many threads before it becomes irritating. Take a day off or get some quality beer (works for me sometimes), look at all of Wolverine Historian's material on YouTube...
Buck up fella, you'll be okay. See you at the spring game...I'll be the guy with the beer.
...would have to make the greatest improvement known to mankind to start next year. Kovacs is better there right now, and I'd bet Marvin Robinson has a decent shot to start there.
If Marvin Robinson is able to enroll early.
Don't forget about Vlad. There was a lot of speculation that he had a lingering injury all season and that's why he didn't get many looks on defense.
It's spelled: A-W-E-S-O-M-E.
JT will start next year over Floyd
I think RR overplayed his hand in redshirting Turner this season. We got off to a good start, and he got to thinking he could afford to put Turner on the shelf for the year and get four more good seasons out of him, despite the fact that he very well could have been our second-best option at CB. Once the season came completely undone, it was too late to call on a non-game-tested freshman. But if he had it to do over again, I think you'd see Turner (at least getting a chance) as a starting CB by midseason.
That said, I think RR learned his lesson and will play Cullen next season if/when Warren leaves--hopefully showing the effectiveness to start by early season.
I don't think some people here understand how important a redshirt could be. It gives them a full year to develop and gain muscle. It can help them get accustomed to college life easier if they're mind isn't on playing in the game. You also get them for a full extra year with a redshirt and that could be huge in future success. Do you really think JT would have made that much of a difference in getting us a bowl?
with your first four sentences, but we have no way to know about your last point. Woodson, Marlin Jackson, and Leon Hall all contributed significantly as freshmen. If Turner is even a shadow of those guys, then, yes, I think he could have gotten us an extra win this season to push us into a bowl game. A semi-competent CB opposite Warren would have allowed us to keep Woolfolk at safety and thus one of our two disaster-masters off the field. That, in my opinion, would have been enough for at least one more win.
I think though that RR would have known whether JT was good enough to push them to that extra win. He obviously felt that he wasn't game-ready.
but my point is that I think it's plausible that RR knew that JT was good but thought, based on the 4-0 start, that he could get away with not playing him. I think his redshirt would be gone if RR had it to do over again.
But JT got to fall camp very late.
And, there is that thing about the coaches watching him during practice kind of taking precedent above our drooling over his recruit rankings and two minute Zapruder Highlight Films.
With Smith having a Torn ACL nothing is written in stone for him. Donovan has bascially said he will be in the NFL next year. I have about the same shot of starting as Simmons (no offense). Turner and Emilen will start in the secondary and watch out for one of the many redshirt freshmen to take the tackle spot.
Roh at LB?
Roh will stay at his spot. The official name is Outside Linebacker. If that is your question?
Roh is THE DEATHBACKER!
Omameh to LT, Dorrestein to RT, and Hyuge or Barnum to RG (maybe?)
That LT spot is going to be interesting. Omameh was good at RG and that would be a really solid interior line with Molk and Schilling. Omameh was awesome at getting downfield onto the LB's and don't know if he can utilize that as much at tackle? It will definitely be a battle for the tackle spots. I'd say, only based on playing time this year that Huyge and Dorrenstein are the favorites, but I'm sure we would all love for one of the younger guys to step up and give them a fight.
His best position by far is the Tackle. His arms are very long and he doesn't really have the size or strength to play inside, creating holes against 300 lbs. plus defensive tackles. His strength is the length of his arms and his athleticism making him a perfect OT. Huyge and Schilling can hold down the inside of the line at guard, with Molk at center.
At the RB position - at the beginning of the year, Shaw and Toussaint will probably be the top 2 options.
On the O-line - expect Molk, Schilling and Omameh to have 3 spots. 2 out of Mealer, Huyge, Barnum, Khoury, Washington, Lewan, Dorrestein and Schofield will play, but i wouldn't be shocked if Omameh moves to LT, and the RG and RT positions are up for grabs. Huyge and Dorrestein didn't play the greatest this year.
And the WR spots will be stocked - at the slot, Odoms, Roundtree, Kelvin Grady and Gallon.
On the outside - Hemingway, Stonum, Je'Ron Stokes and the freshmen.
My guess in the D backfield is - Woolfolk and Turner at CB with Avery, Grimes and Christian backing them up. Emilien and M-Robinson at safeties, with Williams, Vinopal, and Kovacs backing them up.
I dunno. Those lineup possibilities are exciting.
Or is there another reason?
Welcome to the board John Mick.
At this point, I hate to waffle, but it's a combo platter. If the prognosis on V. Smith really is a torn ACL, I don't think he'll be back to full strength and confidence until later in the season, or, 2011. So that's the first consideration.
The other consideration is that, if healthy, Shaw is in his third year in the system and should be productive. Furthermore, Toussaint was expected to play this year had he not hurt his shoulder. That's saying something considering that he really should have been a no question redshirt. I'm very excited that Toussaint has four years of eligibility remaining.
So, I think at the beginning of 2010, Shaw and Toussaint (with MIKE COX as #3) will be the primary RBs.
Shaw is there for no other reason than his experience.
Toussaint because he is our only RB who has been compared to Noel Devine.
My biggest concern about V Smith's injury is: Do we have a RB who can help out in pass protection?? Last season we used Minor, Grady, and towards the end of the season, Smith. I never saw Mike Shaw throw a block in pass protection.
I think Toussaint is a bigger, more powerful back than Devine is. Toussaint isn't as fast or slippery as Devine is. Not really a great comparison.
With Vlad and Marvin as your safeties, who do you have at SS and who do you have at FS?
My guess is Marvin at FS and Vlad at SS. My understanding is that they both project better as a FS but I am open to hear your thoughts.
I would say that Emilien plays Free and M-Rob at Strong. Sorry to be contrarian : )
My reasoning is that Emilien backed up Williams at Free this year, and M-Robinson, especially if he enrolls early, seems to be an improved version of Jordan Kovacs (meaning, with speed and increased athleticism).
However, I will say this:
Kovacs wasn't even on the spring roster because he had knee surgery that the coaches asked him to have before he tried out again. The fact that he was out there was very impressive. But the surgery meant that he had NO Barwis before the summer, at the earliest.
So, he played marginally well this year but had his limitations (which, coming in without s & c and off knee surgery, should not be surprising). I would expect him to greatly improve his game over the next 10 months, and he should be a more serviceable option if called upon to play.
maybe you are just mixing up the names here...but...
FS - thats for the better run support safety.
SS - thats for the better deep coverage guy.
robinson is being told that he's coming in to play FS.
emilen backed up woolfolk at SS all season.
kovacs/williams battled it out at FS when woolfolk was at SS.
kovacs played FS, with williams at SS when woolfolk was at CB.
This is where I'm getting my information from:
It's got Kovacs at SS, Williams and Emilien at FS.
Maybe I should know better than to trust Michigan's depth charts and injury reports : )
Kovacs started out at FS (the in the box S) and he was actually very effective there.
He then moved to SS (centerfield type) and his athletic limitations were just all too evident.
If it was up to me (which I'm glad its not) I would put Woolfolk at SS and Marvin Robinson at FS with Vlad backing up SS and Kovacs backing up the FS (unless he moves to Sam which could make sense)
This really shows how nice it would be to add Sean Parker to this class. He is an ideal SS.
However, the coaching staff seems to love Woolfolk at CB.
If Woolfolk plays CB then I would put Vlad at SS and Marvin Robinson at FS. I hear you when you say that Vlad backed up Williams at the FS last year but I think that Marvin is just much better suited for FS in this defense. People talk about him potentially moving to LB and the FS is much more like a LB than the SS.
I would put Vlad at SS because I think he will end up being the best option there (assuming Woolfolk stays at CB and assuming Parker or Latwan does not committ).
Of course Justin Turner or Cullen could end up at SS although I don't think that will happen. Too much speculation to entertain those ideas at the moment for me.
No more of this FS/SS stuff
Box Safety (was Free Safety) Williams, MRob, and where Kovacs should be (a B.S. abbreviation is fitting, since Williams played like B.S. last year)
Deep Safety (was Strong safety) Your center fielder types: Woolfolk, Emilien, posssibly Vinopal, and where Kovacs was hopelessly stuck last year
It's exciting to you that you project three freshman starters in the secondary? I agree that in the best possible scenario (kids live up to the hype), that would be our starting defensive backfiled, but still...
The thing I am most excited about with our DBs is the COMPETITION. As soon as kids get on campus, stars mean nothing. There will be tons of talented young DBs pushing each other, and the best one will play. Turner, Avery, Grimes, Christian, and Floyd will all be battling for one or two spots. We really have absolutely no idea who will play, but the fact that there will be more options this year is what is exciting.
Well, two of them ARE RS Freshmen, and the other would be an early enrollee : )
If Warren leaves, the team has no choice, but lining up the #40 S in 2009, the #10 S in 2010, the #3 CB in 2009 as starters, as well as the #3 CB in 2010 in your two deep isn't too shabby.
Glass half full, everyone, because the alternative isn't worth talking about.
Heck, just HAVING lineup possibilities is exciting.
that dorrestein will be starting, at least i hope not. i figure it'd look something like
Tate's your starter at QB
i think Fitz sneaks in at RB
there's no way floyd simmons or jt floyd starts
mike williams ain't startin' either
jt turner in place of floyd, m-rob in place of williams, i think one of jones, bell, or hawthorne at stevie's spot
Here's hoping that Lewan is half as good as our last #77... How sweet would that be?
So sweet I'd need to go the the dentist to have cavities fixed.
/kind of that "future so bright I need sunglasses" mantra thingy
it was a good idea to clone omameh.
in response to the op...
#1) i'm guessing that we go with a leak/tebow-like combination at qb.
#2) smith being out for spring ball might give shaw or even toussaint a chance to take the position.
#3) there HAS to be a way to get roundtree out there as a starter, probably over hemingway or stonum...if he improves enough as a blocker.
#4) LT is going to be a battle. might see omameh move out there. might see lewan/schofield take the job. if its omameh, then theres going to be a lot of competition at right guard as well.
#5) Might see Ken Wilkins (at DE) or Obi Ezeh (at Q, with Roh at DE) on passing downs.
#6) There's going to be a lot of competition at ILB from Leach, Fitz, Bell, Jones...maybe Demens?
#7) doubt simmons starts. probably hawthorne there. maybe kovacs moves down?
#8) doubt williams starts at FS. probably robinson or gordon there.
#9) if warren leaves, i'm guessing christian beats out floyd.
in response to you, blue adams:
(1) I think you're right, but the technical approach to the QB play shouldn't change much as compared to Leak / Tebow. Both QBs should get better at the zone read option, and if they do, Denard would really be the more dangerous option. I'd expect Denard to be used in more variety in 2010 with a year to recall the playbook.
(2) I think you're spot on. If a torn ACL, V. Smith may end up redshirting.
(3) Perhaps the way to get Tree out there is to deploy a 2-slot formation with Tree and Tay? Those two actually catch the ball, unlike the TEs on occasion this year.
(4) LT should be either Omameh or Lewan. Dorrestein would get Tate killed.
(6) I wouldn't be shocked if Fitzgerald started in Obi's spot, with Demens as his backup, and with Obi moving to DE. Just try something new with an offseason to prepare for it.
(7) Hawthorne or Jones will likely play the S. Brown spot next year.
(8) At FS, either M-Robinson or Emilien.
(9) I would guess that JT Turner and Woolfolk will be the CBs, with Christian, Floyd, T. Jones, Rogers, Grimes, Talbott and Avery as the backups. Wut? CB Depth? A nickel defense? DB rotation?
agree with everyting u say there...except
1) i think koger is a great recieving te.
2) and i think emilien is more of a ss.
I'm not sure why everyone is writing off Mike Williams. Didn't we learn anything with Stevie Brown? He can improve. His problems were mainly mental mistakes. With an off-season of film, he can become a contributor. I think he is the incumbent starter at one of the safety spots. The coaches must see something that they like about him. I personally think Obi and Mouton will also improve with another year in Gerg's system. That's why I think the defense will improve next year despite the critical departures. Just having Williams, Ezeh, and Mouton more comfortable in their roles will do wonders.
Stevie Brown only improved with a position change, Williams is not expected to switch positions.
Maybe I missed this, but were there any practice reports on his progress once he got in? I see everyone slotting him in as our starting corner (myself included), but are we doing this solely on recruiting accolades or are there coach/bricklayer opinions that we can lean on as well?
...if we see a lot of 0 TE personnel groupings next year. Koger is a weapon, and Webb is a potential stud, too, but we would be dangerous with both Tay and Roundtree on the field at the same time in both slots. The playbook opens up a lot more with two good slots.
I agree - There are definitely a ton of great play possibilities the double slot formation. Tate with a healthy shoulder and a passing formation with Tay, Roundtree, Stonum and Hemingway is pretty damn solid.
Does the two-slot formation stress the Defense in different ways than the one slot and 1 TE formation?
Seeing as RB is going looking to be the weakest position on offense next year, I would like to see a lot of 5-wide.
I can see this formation being lethal next year.
With Minor and Brown injured so much Shaw and Smith saw a ton of duty this year, plus the position is stocked with guys like Touissant and Cox, double plus our whole damn offense is based on the run.
All of those reasons lead me to believe we will have good RBs and we will use them often.
I think Vince Smith probably won't be the starter at RB because of his injury which concerns me greatly. That leaves Shaw as the probable starter with lots of competition from a host of other guys including freshmen. I kind of like Cox as a dark horse there.
I think Roundtree starts ahead of Odoms at slot, but because of our great depth there I think we see a lot of double slot formations with Galleon also getting significant PT. AND/OR Roundtree moves to outside receiver and displaces one of those other two guys.
On D how about Kovacs moving down to take Stevie's spot? Don't know if he has the speed to man up on slots though? Then, assuming no Warren the DBs would be Turner, Floyd, Woolfolk and Robinson. Obviously I like this group a lot better with Warren included.
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we need Woolfolk and two more, with Kovacs/Williams/Robinson in the box. Would it be asking too much to get 2 solid starters from the following:
Them plus any Mystery Recruits and the horde of 3 stars (Witty, Avery, Talbott, Johnson, Vinopal, Gordon, Jones, Floyd) means a solid backfield, right?
It's linebacker that's lacking in big time recruits, though Furman would go a long way there, since it looks like Fitzgerald is on track inside. There are plenty of 6 foot, 210-220 lbs guys around to replace Stevie Brown on the edge, but I'm still worried about our size there.
At DL, I would want to be able to play Campbell if he's ready, so:
DE Van Bergen
4 Star Backups:
DE Lalota, Wilkins
3 Star: Paskorz, Talbott, Sagesse, Banks, Watson
Obviously that kind of non-depth at DT might mean rotating Campbell in, taking advantage of the relative depth at DE and keeping RVB inside.
Super young, but it looks like a pretty decent basis for a solid defense in '10 and a good one in '11.
My hunch is that Lewan will be starting by the end of the year.
I think we are going to see a number of Freshmen starting or seeing a lot of playing time, especially in the secondary. Unfortunately I see the starting lineup for the defensive secondary changing from week to week with new faces.
I also think everyone is playing off JT Floydd. He played okay before he was sick, missed a few weeks from illness, and then when he came back I thought he played pretty well and held down that opposite corner from Warren. Honestly I would rather have guys starting that have game experience than go through what we went through last year. Get the young guys in for a few snaps here and there and possibly have them starting by the end of the year but I'm not comfortable starting a Fr. for the first couple games in the secondary.
DE- Van Bergen
FS- M. Robinson
That's a pretty darn good lineup, and the BEST thing about it:
only 3 seniors (Schilling, Mouton and Woolfolk), each of whom should have quality replacements for 2011 (Mealer/Q, Furman please, and Christian).