PurpleStuff

January 25th, 2010 at 4:48 PM ^

How dare you spread these lies to tarnish his immortal legacy! Seriously, I could not believe when I read one of those d-bags at ESPN listed Tebow as the top player of the past decade. There are plenty of "leader" quarterbacks who haven't made a dent yet in the pros (the career path for Tebow until he becomes a televangelist) that had much more impressive resumes/records like Dorsey and Leinart but for some reason Tebow gets credit for "winning" a national title as the goal-line fullback in 2006 and his losses as a starter (6 in three seasons compared to 2 for Dorsey and Leinart) get ignored. He wasn't near the explosive playmakers that guys like Peterson, Fitzgerald, Braylon, and Bush were. Throw in all the great defensive players and o-linemen and I don't see how Tebow is even in the top ten, much less number one.

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evenyoubrutus

January 25th, 2010 at 4:30 PM ^

and it really, really, REALLY pissed me off around the second or third drive when the announcers were talking about the season for Michigan, how it had started so rough, and then they dropped the bomb "and the day after the Ohio State Game, Lloyd Carr RESIGNED." He did not resign morons! He retired on his own terms. Bastards. I hate when media talks about their opinions like they are facts.

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blueheron

January 25th, 2010 at 4:38 PM ^

That was all-around awesome and a great ending for Lloyd. As well, it altered the perception of Lloyd for much of UM's fan base. Prior to that game the relative weight given to Appalachian State, Oregon, and his most recent outings with Ohio State might have been greater. After beating Florida and St. Urby, though, Lloyd (with a marvelous last impression) was elevated in the eyes of many. You might hear some of these people say "In '06 we were one personal foul from playing for the national championship" [Well, maybe that and some other key events...] and "the next year we beat the defending national champs" [and, um, lost in epic fashion to a huge underdog and got throttled by Oregon a week later... both at home] followed, inevitably, by "NOW LOOK WHAT HAPPENED UNACCEPTABLE!!!" I think RichRod would still be getting plenty of (partially deserved) heat, but if Lloyd had lost by 15-20 points in that last game the setting wouldn't be quite the same.

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lbpeley

January 25th, 2010 at 8:03 PM ^

Where are you getting that he wished that? I read that as him merely making an observation. An observation that might be rather accurate. Seriously, where do you get that he's wishing for a loss in that Cap 1 Bowl?

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M-Wolverine

January 25th, 2010 at 8:21 PM ^

Because if there's not some intent on the statement, it's just kinda nonsensical. It'd be just as true if he was taking over a program that was 0-12 things might have looked different. Or the otherway if that FG had gone through against Apply St. It wants the heat taken off the current situation by saying that what should have really happened is that the team should have lost the game by that much. Otherwise, we're just playing the if and buts game. By saying that it sure sounds like saying "if the team better reflected on how the State of the Program really was. And I think that was a lot closer to how that team was, when you take all the injuries from that season. Wish was most likely too strong a word. But the feeling that winning that game is causing Rich some harm...come on...losing is causing Rich harm.

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FL_Steve

January 25th, 2010 at 4:52 PM ^

as great as Lloyd was, he left the program in shambles. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if he stayed for another season, maybe RR would have had less pressure on him, assuming he would have still been hired.

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jabberwock

January 25th, 2010 at 7:55 PM ^

It's impossible to speculate about the what ifs. So much of the attrition came because players: a) Didn't want to deal with any transition (especially upperclassmen). b) Some who might have gutted it out through a (normal) transition didn't want to due to the radical scheme change. c) Those that stuck around long enough to see the amount of hard work (and lack of coddling) involved in RR's Michigan decided to take their vaginas and go home. We also had Pro style recruits decommit, others lose interest. Add in some strife/resentment, some lack of cohesion, etc. If NONE of the above had happened would Michigan have gone 3-9? Most assuredly not. But, if ALL of that had happened anyway with Lloyd still at the helm do you really think we'd have gone above .500? To me doubtful. Would we be competitive with elite teams within 3-4 years? Who knows, but most people (including Lloyd Carr) knew it was time for a change.

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M-Wolverine

January 25th, 2010 at 8:11 PM ^

Sure, if he had stayed another year and gone 7-5 or 6-6 it might have made 3-9 the next year seem not as big a leap. But all those changes may or may not have occurred, as you said- but they definitely still would have happened if Rich had taken over a year later, just in a different year. But no one was saying (or could say) if we traded Rich's team to Lloyd, how would he have done. Only how he would have done if he had STAYED. And with no transition, recruits and players in a system they know and want to play in, et al., of course they would have been better. Winning the BCS (or even the Big Ten?), no, of course not. Not losing to Toledo...I'd bet. No one has ever said that Lloyd should still be the coach...including Lloyd. But the attitude that if we had done worse, the current failures of the program would look better...man, sometimes I think there are those who would root for Rich Rod over MICHIGAN. Because I've heard the A-holes who want him to fail because he's not Michigan and the past was better blah blah blah. But this is the first I've heard someone thinks it might be better for poor Rich if we hadn't been so good before. This will be year 3 Lloyd's not coach anymore. If Rich loses, it's not going to be because of Lloyd at this point.

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SEAL Fan

January 25th, 2010 at 5:52 PM ^

I started watching Michigan right around 2004 and I rank that game as one of the best I have ever watched. Only the throw from Henne to Manningham to beat Penn State as time expired beats that game.

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OregonWolverine

January 25th, 2010 at 6:01 PM ^

Looking back at that game now, as other posters have said, the thing that leaps out is the competence and playmaking of our safeties and LBs. Little did we know what was to come. But at the time, it was the offense that shocked me. Where the hell did that game plan come from? And why hadn't we seen it before, instead of the predictable schemes opposing defenses would thank us for after the game? If DeBord's offenses had looked like that for the preceding several years, he might have gotten more than just a courtesy interview in the coaching search ...

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ijohnb

January 25th, 2010 at 6:48 PM ^

the skill positions. App. State was a freakish, what the f#%k type event that threw things out of alignment. What Florida got was the Michigan that was supposed to be, after they shook off the cobwebs from what transpired at the start of the season. And lets just say it is likely that Florida took then just a touch lightly. Fair?

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