2008 Michigan Vs. Florida Capital One Bowl - Now BTN
Man I miss that one, and hawking DVD's of it on the old Haloscan threads. Good times
I still have mine. Thanks. Back in the Haloscan days,my name was Rumpel Foreskin.
strictly for your avatar. Not even sure what you wrote.
Awww, hearing Brandon Minor's name makes me recall fond memories of MINOR RAAAGE. Those were the days.
"Minor is Major, TOUCHDOWN!"
in recent memory ,,,, I guess we can relive some of the excitement!!! It;'s on it's way back under HOKE!! GO BLUE!!!!!!!!
Breaks a big run and stares down the Florida bench after knocking the DB down.
I love watching this game...it brings back fond memories.
Forgot how ridiculous Arrington's catch was
If Carr had shown as much imagination during his last four years of coaching as he did in his last game, he wouldn't have been encouraged to "retire."
According to quotes I've seen from Carr the plan was to run this type of offense most of 2007 but the injuries to Hart and particularly Henne put a huge dent in that plan.
I do agree it would have been nicer to see this offense earlier than 2007.
Did they show the Gator players talking sh*t at the 50 yard line prior to the game?
A healthy Henne and Hart made a world of difference in this game. Too bad they could barely walk in the OSU game.
But also makes me sad at how badly Henne, Hart, Arrington and Manningham were misused by those coaches. Ugh.
But also makes me sad at how badly Henne, Hart, Arrington and Manningham were misused by those coaches. Ugh.
While I don't disagree that DeBord was very predictable at times (which was very frustrating when we played teams like USC, where the situation called for us to take more risks), these guys could have been misused a lot worse than they were. Hart, for instance, rushed for over 5,000 yards despite frequent injuries; how many more could he have realistically gotten in another offense?
Well so was Denard Robinson last year and he could barely stand at the end of the year either. He missed parts of every game he played in if I'm not mistaken. I hope this year the staff can find a happy medium in the amount of carries to give him.
I don't think so. Pat White carried the ball 197 times in 2007, despite the fact that Steve Slaton and Noel Devine were available. That's how RR's offense operates - the QB carries it a ton. If there are also has good tailbacks available, he'll call more running plays and cut down on pass attempts. 2007 WVU rushed the ball over 70% of the time.
Which is why you dont ride those critical games on them. You use them against the patsies to develop them so they are ready for those critical games. Instead of creating a heisman phenom against bowling green whilst those running backs get no reps. We never got to find out if those running backs were any good, hopefully this year we will.
Brandon Minor, Carlos Brown and Michael Shaw weren't exactly overworked under RR, but they, too, suffered frequent injuries. Tailback is a punishing position.
My 2nd favorite game ever...behind Notre Dame 2006.
My second favorite too, behind Penn State 1997.
Both times I felt like I was watching someone else's team. They were the only times I was ever in awe of my own team.
I agree wholeheartedly(ND '06). When Prescott Burgess took that pick back for a TD I rolled my ankle landing on an xbox controller when I landed from jumping around.
One of my favorite games of all time.
I thought at the time that it felt like such a big win because of Carr and the redemption for the rest of the season, but that over time it would be just, you know, a win in the Capital One bowl.
But I was wrong. It has stood the test of time.
This game brings a tear to my eye. What could have been for the years prior if we had opened it up like this all the time.
I hope Borges will run something like this offense down the road.
guy was trying to sabotage us even then.
of my life. I sat in my inlaws' Orlando living room and watched while all of them--every single member of the family an FL grad--went to the game. Damn did I enjoy myself.
Was just posting about this game in the "defensive improvement" thread, but it merits bringing up here, too.
As you're watching Henne and company put this hapless-looking Gator secondary through this public shaming, think about this for a moment: that meek, seemingly lost group of Florida DB's turned into one of the nation's finest the next year. Here are the improvements Florida's defense (esp. pass defense) made the next year, when they won the Nat Title in 2008/9:
Scoring defense went from 46th to 5th.
Pass defense went from 98th(!) to 20th.
Pass efficiency defense went from 71st to 3rd.
Interceptions went from 74th to 1st.
Source: http://www.gatorzone.com/football/history/2008/review.pdf see at page 6.
The biggest difference really simply seemed to be that the 2007 team was full of first year starters in the secondary, while the 2008 team, though still young, had that year of bludgeoning to learn from.
Just sayin'. Radical improvements in young DBs are known to happen. Courtney Avery, Carvin, Marvin, and J.T. all took their lumps, but they've got the talent and atleticism to be elite guys. Maybe sooner than anybody thinks.
Florida's defense in '07 had Major Wright and Joe Haden as freshmen. They both took big sophomore leaps to lead their secondary in '08.
I'm putting $20 on the Gators.
Yeah, at this point, I figured "Well, we came out with some extra emotion because of Carr's retirement, but we're probably in trouble now." Very impressive that we kept it together in what was basically a road game against a huge favorite.
The offense we ran in this game might bear some similarities to what we'll run this fall (but obviously, with some more designed QB carries) . SDSU used quite a bit of shotgun last year.
I remember watching this game and thinking that Manningham would be an absolute beast in Rodriguez's offense. It's a shame we didn't get to see that
With Threet/Sheridan at QB? His production would have taken a big hit.
He carried the ball 6 or 7 times in this game, and I envisioned him having a similar role to that of Harvin in the spread offense. However, Rodriguez really didn't utilize receivers in the running game anyway.
This game sucks (so far)...
Hart looked pretty fast that game and I forgot what a shock it was to see Henne alone in the backfield and 4 or 5 wide... looked like a bastardized version of what we were to see under Rodriguez, a dreamlike view into an exciting future. Oh, and Arrington had an unreal game, he was on another level. The catch posterizing the Florida DB was out of this world
but you can't forget the dump off behind the back catch after Henne stepped up in the pocket.
I wish we could have seen Long catch that pass. Wasn't his fault of course but would have been classic
rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' SIX
I was smiling until Boren came up on my screen.
I feel like we could have / should have won by more. It was a more dominant performance than the final score suggests.
Michigan turned it over 4 times to Florida's 0. Being -4 in TOs (especially considering two of those were goal-line fumbles by Hart, of all things) means this objectively could have/should have been a rout. Oh well. Made for better television by going down to the wire.
Should have dropped a double nickel on 'em
to see and hear RichRod at that point in time again - I know I was sure excited for his arrival. For the team's sake and his, I sure wish it had been a better 3 years.
It's an eerie feeling knowing what's in store for the next three seasons, the Dark Ages of Michigan....
Watching that, I would never have believed that in 3 years he'd be gone. Surreal.
So here we go again . . .
Ugh, watching RR talk about getting the head coaching job just brought back every single terrible memory of his tenure...
tim tebows face after 4th down on their last possession was priceless
Me and a buddy were debating which was a better game.
2008 Capital One Bowl or the 2000 Orange Bowl vs Alabama?
was great, but the missed extra point to seal the win? Kind of a let-down, although at the time I was ecstatic.
Can't wait to have some stud recievers again....
BIG win that we have had.
Man, I still get a raging erection watching that game.
Too much info? Frankly, I don't give a damn.
Was at that game sitting in the middle gator section. going back and forth with some friendly gator fans. That score should have been 70-35 without all those turnovers, Oh and some guy named Percy. Great great game. Great play after great play.
Somethin's in my eye.
Did I just watch Morgan Trent run down Percy Harvin? How the hell did I miss that the first time? Also, how the hell did that happen?
Of course, he had the right angle of attack, which helped.
Morgan Trent was the fastest man on the team. Usually It just made him get out of position faster.
Edit: This response was to TTU Wolv.
We've been talking about that play for years. Where have you been?
this game. Love Arrington's end zone celebration where he starts the gator chomp, then waves it off. Classic, wish I knew how to post the clip.
Also, the two young Florida fans with blue hair at the end, the look on their faces is priceless.
They had coach Rod in the booth during the game and asked him several questions about the transition to the spread. His answers were very positive, saying firstly that they had to utilize the talent they had and that the spread can be run with a QB like Mallet etc.
I cant help but wonder, was that his honest intentions at the time, utilize the talent we had and slowly transition to a spread, or did he already know in his mind that he was going to blow it all up and just wreck our 2008 season?
He was in the booth when Michigans tight end(name escapes me) rambled for a 30+ yd gain and the announcer asked him "Rich, do you have use for a great big TE like that" and his response "If he can run like that, sure we do". I just can't help but say that was disengenuous on his part. He had no "use" for about 70% of the players on that team IMHO.
Funny thing is, watching that game unfold, it was not the spread em out style of offense we ran that day that killed florida. During the first half our running game was stifled and we were tied/behind most of that half. It was in the 2nd half when our too big, too fat and too slow lineman began to wear florida's interior defense down that we began to dominate the game.
I'm so glad I did not have any anticipation of the trainwreck that was to follow that great game.
You mean he had no use for Carson Butler, who was a notorious head case and lost the starting TE job to a true freshman Kevin Koger? Hmmm, how strange.
Mallett was gone, anyway.
You're rehashing a bunch of points that have been discussed over and over and over again on this site. The 2008 season was bound to be a trainwreck no matter who was at the helm, as long as Boren, Manningham, Arrington, and Mallett were going to be out the door. Those were arguably Michigan's four best offensive players with remaining eligibility (not to mention #1 overall pick Jake Long and #57 overall pick Chad Henne).
So, in a nutshell. You are saying that he was indeed being dishonest in his answers to those questions. He was indeed going to blow it up, bowl streak etc be damned. Thats what I thought as I was listening to him. He'd already, in his mind, made the decision that the "transition" was not actually going to be that. It was going to be a fire sale of the past and an immediate, full scale changover to spread and shred in its WVU form. Its a legitimate and understandable decision on his part, seeing that we were going to be losing so many talented players, but one that I believe ultimately cost him his job.
You say the 2008 season was bound to be a trainwreck no matter who was at the helm, and I might agree that by traditional Michigan standards it was. However, do you think Lloyd & co. would have gone 3-9? I would have easily seen them going 7-5 or 8-4 at best, 6-6 at worst with the team that was returning in 08 but not 3-9. Even without Mallet & Manningham I just cannot see Lloyld losing to Toledo, Purdue & Northwestern.
As far as "re-hashing". Only the replay of the game & the in booth commentary from our now terminated, then future head coach caused me to revisit that moment in time and look back with some different perspective. The "war" is over and the same guys that won that day(big, slow, not athletic enough players by RR standards but fine by NFL standards) will be what brings Michigan back to its former glory. To deny that it makes me happy would be dishonest on my part, however at that very moment in time I was as exited as anyone to see what might emerge from a morphing of spread & shred with big time talent. I didn't forsee the man taking the job and recruiting the same level of players he had in the big least.
No, "in a nutshell" I am not saying that at all. You're taking my words and not just twisting them, but disregarding them altogether.
You have clearly made up your mind about the topic, and I now realize that no amount of honesty or arguing on my part will change that fact. So I'm going to excuse myself from this discussion.
Are you sayiing that his words "We have to make the best use of the talent we have" and "The spread can be modified to suit different players", Referring to the host's question about Mallet. Meant what exactly??
One of these had to be the case.
A- It was coachspeak, he was then being disingenous but with good intentions not wanting to stomp on certian peoples feelings.
B-It was his honest expectation at the time, a transition using the talent to its best fit potential, modifying his "system" and at a later time he figured the best route was to blow it up and run Threet/Sheridan in a read option.
Which do you believe?
I just wonder, because none of us, including yourself almighty, can actually say we know which it was. All I know is, in the booth RichRod from his own lips said these things and then he did not follow through with them. I'm not saying he did not have legitimate reasons for that. I just wonder if he, at that point in time, already knew what he was really going to do and was placating the fan base with his commentary. IMHO that was a mistake. If he knew at that point he was going to blow it up he should have been honest about it and began preparing the fanbase for the terror to come, not placating us with words knowing his actions would not support them. Once again, I'm not saying that was the case, I admit I don't know if it was A or B, hearing him during that game just made me wonder.
Ha! This is so unbelievably stupid I am almost at a loss for words. So you are suggesting that a guy who wasn't accepted before he set foot on campus, in an interview 9 months before his first season started in Ann Arbor, should have basically said "fuck this team, I'm not going to use any of them and the transition to a spread isn't going to be easy because we are losing 5 offensive players to the NFL and the rest of the team sucks"? Yeah, I'm sure that would have gone over great with a fanbase that thought him to be an egomaniac because he played score-o at a hockey game.
Also, I would love to hear how a pro-set offense would have gotten us to a bowl game. Threet had horrible accuracy problems that wouldn't have been corrected by a pro-set considering he ran that as a redshirt junior and still stunk. Also, when true freshman Sam McGuffie is your only healthy RB, you are going to struggle. He is just as small as denard. But you're right, pro-set and we improve by 5 or 6 games.
Just go back to mlive
No, I'm not suggesting anything. I watched and interview of our now former HC that took place 9 months before his first season started and as the words came out of his mouth I couldnt help but wonder why he said them?? Did he intend on doing as he said and then the situation/landscape changed which required a new approach? Since his actual approach was basically contridictory to everything he said in that booth wouldnt you say its reasonable to wonder why? I guess maybe one who worships the man would never apply such critical or suspicious intent to his words, however Lloyd lack of words, now thats just plain ripe for suspicion of treason huh?
Speaking of unbelievably stupid, I made the assertion that the returning 2008 team if coached by Carr, would not have gone 3-9. Are you saying that they would have?? What evidence would you trot out to support that whopper? Carrs very worst teams never even came close to that level of incompetence but you really want to hang it out there and say that's the record that they would have finished with? Or that they wouldnt make it to 6-6 and get a bowl? I'm sorry but based on a long established coaching record at Michigan with a wide variety of athletes I just cannot accept that somehow 2008 under coach Carr would have been that huge of a deviation from his previous dozen seasons. Might it have been his worst? sure, I'll buy that. But 6-6 would be his worst. I'm not seeing 3-9. You're just love blind for the man from West Virginia. "not that theres anything wrong with that"
First off, I was saying that the suggestion, in any situation, especially RichRod's (9 months before the season and before you have had a practice with your new players), to "tell it like it is" on air of a bowl game in which your statements would be "this transition will be painful because the team isn't talented" would be extremely stupid. Your solution, even if it is a hypothetical solution, is dumb for any coach in America.
So your assertion is that because Carr was successful in the past, he had to go .500 in 08? Yes, that sounds correct. From this, we can deduct many things:
1. Carr has never lost 10 starters on offense and 4 on defense, so 08 must turn out the same as 07.
2. Carr has never had a 3 year period where only 9ish guys get drafted, so the talent had to have been there in 08. Did I mention he had 13 players drafted the 2 years prior to this?
This goes to show you Carr had to win more games because we all know he had never had that few draft picks or lost that many starters, so we know it wouldn't have happened in 08.
Also, your schtick is old. Gay jokes make you look ignorant, although that shouldn't surprise me looking at the content in your posts, farley. As I said, go back to mlive, you are an awful poster.
If another Pro Style coach been hired or Coach Carr had stayed I truly doubt Arrington, Boren or Mallett would have left. Arrington would have been the main wideout and could have really opened his draft stock up, Boren wouldn't have felt "family values diminishing", and Mallett wouldn't have had to worry about running the ball and bailing because he would have been a terrible fit for a spread. That or when your new incoming coach finds it better to call his prized potential QB (Pryor) over you and that kills your major ego. All in all it probably would have played out like a 7-5 season anyways but we'll never really know.
The majority opinion suggests that Mallett was on his way out, even if Carr had stayed. We were looking at a choice of Threet/Sheridan regardless of the coach.
If we had kept a pro-style offense, that would have afforded us MAYBE one or two more wins. Whether we went 5-7, 4-8, or 3-9, it was going to be a sucky year.
I'm not sure if it's a given that Mallett would have left had Carr stayed. It may have happened, but wasn't a certainty. The two didn't always see eye to eye, but throwing transfer papers in a kid's face was one of Carr's pet motivational tactics.
I do think that once we hired RR, there wasn't much he could have done to persuade Mallett to come, though.
last year and that was despite the fact that he had to come out of a lot of games. That's a lot of pounding on someone who isn't that big.
Loved that game. Thought it was pretty selfless of Hart to risk his non-fumbler rep, deliberately coughing it up a couple times to keep it close and exciting. Always looking out for the fans, that kid. ;)