Thoughts and prayers...thoughts and prayers.
2 people dead (with a report saying one likely the suspect) in shooting at Va. Tech
It isn't. This was from a traffic stop. This is nothing like what happend at VT before. Something like this happens pretty frequently around the country.
Let's not overreact.
By overreacting. Regarless If this was an isolated incident or in the same manner in what happended the last time, people will express emotion and concern is a life was taken. The fact that it happens frequently around the country doesn't mean we should become desensitized to tragey.
Here is what I mean by over-reacting.
What happened at VT 2 years ago was a true tragedy where a mad man rained terror down on many innocent bystanders for no reason with pre-meditated, calculated and chilling efficiency.
Equating a random traffic stop shooting to that incident I think cheapens the memory of the original incident. That is the problem I have with people saying "not again" statements.
This is not anything like the real tragedy that happend at VT.
The suspect was seen fleeing towards campus, the parking lot with the original shooting is where most students park their cars on campus and their were shots reported outside of the student activities building, this is no longer just a shooting at a traffic stop, it is involving the campus and clearly the shooter is willing to do anything having already shot and killed a second person who is not a police officer, not the same situation exactly but because in a college town not just a shooting at a traffic stop.
Well turned out the second "victim" was the police shooter. Otherwise it is common scenario with most other traffic stop shootings.
A terrible event (especially for the cop's family), but nothing like the event from 2007.
How you define "real" tragedy, but any time a life is taken, it's tragic man. Whether it was a traffic stop, pre-meditated, planned, unplanned, or otherwise, it's catastrophic because a life was lost. Furthermore, how is it that we know that this man wasn't intentionally planning more mass killings? The answer is we don't. And for people to equate this situation to what took place in the past are not off base with that thinking. I, among many others, first thought back to what happen years ago. The common denominator here is that it has taken place at the same institution. Any time there is a commonality, it's a given to look at the similarities. But in my opinion, you're "cheapening" this tragedy by referring to the last incident as "real" and this one as not...
No one is going to say that a person losing his life in such violent way is not a tragedy.
This is all just a matter of scale. The 2007 event killed 33 people. Most of them had no idea. By some deranged lunatic.
Cops know the dangers they face everyday. It is a dangerous job and many (too many) cops lose their life on duty.
You cannot equate those two events. It would be like equating VT tragedy to 9/11. Things have scales, somethings matter more.
A man walking around a college campus with a gun after shooting two people should be concering, no?
Yeah - I'm not in love with the idea that, because a shooting happens often in this country, that we shouldn't react severely. I'll be honest - if the fact that SHOOTINGS HAPPEN FREQUENTLY isn't something to get angry, worried or concerned about, I'm not sure what is.
If that was the case we would have a post like this practically everyday. This is not really something that belongs on this board. It would be one thing if the shooting involved students, but that does not seems to be the case here.
Guns are prevalent in this society. There will be shootings and people dying everyday because of that. But that is the bargain you make for liberal application of the 2nd amendment.
If you're so well versed in what does and doesn't belong on the board, why did you just bring politics into this discussion?
I think your argument is cynical, callous, and indicative of the point I was making. I'll leave it at that.
Are you outraged at tens of thousands who die every year from car accidents? Why not? There are FAR more people who die from cars than guns.
But most people just brush off this "tragedy" because that is the bargain that our society has made that the benefits of owning cars is worth tens of thousands lives every year.
Similarly, the society has made the bargain that the benefits off owning guns is worth incidents like this that happen every now and then.
This is "not again" incident. The last VT shooting was a true horror instigated by a mad man. That is not something that happens very rarely. Stuff like that is something we do not expect to happen.
Traffic stop shooting are all too common. Not sure how "not again" applies here.
Sorry for not being impressed with empty "outrage"...
First off, I'll admit that I initially thought it was another shooting a la 2007. I'm not objecting to your initial thought that it wasn't that kind of incident. I just don't love that the fact that it isn't that kind of incident, so it isn't as worthy of concern. Secondly, I'm not outraged at all. I am talking about a bigger issue here.
I am talking about the fact that people are desensitized to violent crimes of intent. I believe that speaks to an issue within our national psyche. Also - yes, far more people die from car ACCIDENTS. I don't know the stats, but I'd bet more people die from being intentionally shot with guns than intentionally being hit by cars. This isn't a gun issue. It isn't a politics issue. It's an issue of our makeup as humans. More and more we've come to expect less and less of each other.
Why are people who die from "accidents" worth any less than people who are killed by intent?
Why should we be only desensitized to accident victims?
There was an accident recently not far from where I live where a 14 year old girl was killed during a highway accident. I care far more about that girl dying than some gang members shooting each other.
And it is over 40,000 people killed every year from traffic accidents.
I'm not saying we shouldn't be sensitive to accident victims. I'm just saying I wasn't talking about them.
I don't get it. You are basically saying you are desensitized to accident victims and that is okay, but the fact that others are desensitized to traffic shooting is not okay???
It is intellectually dishonest to say that people should be outraged or get emotional if anybody gets killed. People die everyday, everywhere. It is part of life. There are millions starving to death in 3rd world countries now, there are tens of thousands dying from traffic accidents, there are thousands getting killed from violence.
You cannot live a normal life getting outraged or emotionally involved with all that death. Getting desensitized to it is a normal response. There is nothing outrageous about it.
You do know what happened on the VT campus once before.... right?
2 are dead, one a cop the other ?? in the parking lot of the student recreation building.
Yes, "it's happening again" is a legit reaction to this news. And it is slightly more relevant on a UM football blog than your typical 'someone shot' story because we do happen to play some VT students that frequent the athletic complex, in a little over 3 weeks.
So we should be posting any shooting that happens on any campus around the country?
you're making a fool of yourself.
Over the line smokey.
Yeah it was from a traffic stop but let's be honest here, Tech has way more incidents than other schools. Two years ago we had the exchange student who was stabbed to death and then decapitated in the grad cafe. Remember that couple that was shot in the woods and they never solved the case? Those are two really, really messed up incidents that I can think of off the top of my head.
Also, Morgan Harrington; though she was actually on UVA campus and not Tech's, but still a VT student close to home. We've (I'm a student, feel like I constantly say that) had way more than our fair share of shootings and killings.
Not another one. Sad.
Stay safe, VT.
Oh my word, not again. Hopefully this ends soon.
No... not again.
Though it feels weird to say 'thankfully' because two people died, I am thankful that it was only two and not another massacre. I'm guessing two guys got in a fight at the Cage (our huge ass parking lot of to the side of campus) and one pulled a gun and killed the other. Then he got in his car and a cop happened to stop him slightly down the road for whatever reason and he kills the cop. Hopefully they catch this kid before he kills somebody else but thankfully it's not another thought-out plot to kill.
Eff. Thoughts and prayers.
Not again, especially not there....thoughts to all on campus. Hopefully, they catch the bastard before he does any more harm.
Prayers are with you guys at VT.
Obviously devastating either way, but is this a shooting that happened near/on the VT campus or is it a school shooting where someone's going after anyone they can find?
Prayers are with everyone involved, I can't imagine what they must be going through.
There was a shooting in a parking lot. I hope it was something like someone was trying to break into a car, was confronted by a cop, and gunfire was exchange (and now the suspect is running for it) as opposed to some kind of premediated rampage. As terrible as such a hope sounds, it is the lesser of the two evils here.
Reports of the suspecting heading in the direction of McComas (which I assume is McComas Hall their rec sports facility) make me worry that the shooter is heading deeper onto campus though.
BUT IF THE MEDIA STOPPED GIVING THE PERPETRATORS THE ATTENTION THEY ARE SEEKING BY DOING THIS, IT WOULD HAPPEN LESS FREQUENTLY.
Remember what happened during the last shooting? They actually played portions of the videotape that he sent to NBC!
Edit: OK, it wasn't a school shooting. Either way it's awful news, but it's being covered as if it is 2007 all over again.
Not again...Thinking of everyone thereand hope over soon.
I'm pretty sure most gunmen don't shoot people in order to get on TV. I'm also pretty sure it would be inappropriate for the media to not alert the public when a gunman is on the loose.
Thoughts & prayers with everyone at VT!
with VT community. Stay safe!
Prayers to all concerned.
thoughts and prayers. Always sad when something like this happens, especially on a campus, and especially on a campus where they had a shooting four years ago.
terrible news. thoughts and prayers go out to them.
New reports that a second victim has been killed. Gunman still at large.
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Not the place for that discussion, man.
Very sad to hear. I was a senior at VT during the april incident, it was just gut-wrenching.
It's very sad that they have to deal with this again.
Hope they catch the killer before he does any more damage. Just rotten luck not only for the victims but for all the VT people who have to go through this again.
This is atrocious, hope nothing more happens.
Thoughts and prayers with all of you down there. From a city that has had 2 similar incidents in recent memory, 2 too many
Listening to the police blotter is so surreal, there are so many reports coming in and the cell towers are jammed up i'm sure from people calling their kids, thoughts go out to the two victims families, hopefully there are no more casulties.
Terrible news. My son considered VaTech among other schools, but is at UM. It is ridiculous that something like this is happening at the same school again.
VaTech student newspaper is offline, but is tweeting updates. @CollegiateTimes
Live feed available on Washington Post website: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/shots-fired-at-virginia-tech-campus/2011/12/08/gIQApjNafO_blog.html?hpid=z1
We're all rooting for the Hokies today. This is just awful. I hope no one else gets hurt.
Are you kidding me! White male with a backpack gets out of his car during a traffic stop , shoots and kills a cop. Makes his way toward a parking lot on campus, shoots and kills another. He is now running loose at the same VT campus that dealt with one of the worst school shootings in history just 4 yrs ago. "This happens everywhere"? Really? How many times has his happened at any school/campus you've ever been a part of?
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My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims, friends, and the entire VaTech community.
After April, the school made concerted efforts to improve security alerts which let students know of any activity on campus. So that is good to hear.
Hopefully they catch the culprit.
All thoughts and love and prayers to the families of the victims and to the entire Virginia Tech family. They should not have to deal with this so soon after the previous tragedy. Best wishes, and hopefully they pull through this with no further injury.
Bless the victims and their families. Hopefully the police will find those that are responsible.
After listening to the Virginia Tech press conference with school officials and lead officers, it seems that this is an apparent murder/suicide. The suspect walked up to an officer in his car while he was performing a traffic stop and shot the officer (the suspect was not involved in the traffic stop). He then fled to a separate parking lot roughly 1/4 miles away where he was seen by another officer. When the officer moved to question the individual, he apparently turned the gun on himself and commited suicide.