1st CFP Rankings: (1) Georgia; (2) Alabama; (3) Notre Dame; (4) Clemson

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CFP Rankings

  1. Georgia
  2. Alabama
  3. Notre Dame
  4. Clemson
  5. Oklahoma
  6. Ohio State
  7. Penn State
  8. TCU
  9. Wisconsin
  10. Miami
  11. Oklahoma State
  12. Washington
  13. Virginia Tech
  14. Auburn
  15. Iowa State
  16. Mississippi State
  17. USC
  18. UCF
  19. LSU
  20. NC State
  21. Stanford
  22. Arizona
  23. Memphis
  24. Michigan State
  25. Washington State

In reply to by Khaleke The Freak

I Like Burgers

October 31st, 2017 at 8:11 PM ^

If Michigan had beaten absolutely anyone at all of note, who they lost to would matter. But they have nothing close to anything approximating a quality win.  And Minnesota and Maryland aren't going to help out in that regard either.

So don't be surprised if they are unranked next week as well.

Squash34

October 31st, 2017 at 9:06 PM ^

Stanford has beat absolutely no one too. Msu has only beat Michigan. Wsu has beat no one outside an overrated USC team while losing bad in both the games. Memphis best win was navy who's best win was AF. Ncst's best win is probably Louisville.
There are a bunch of team 18-25 that don't have any great wins but have 2 bad loses.

TrueBlue2003

November 1st, 2017 at 5:49 PM ^

That win by WSU is still far better than any win we have, regardless of how overrated you think USC is. Navy is still a better win than we have.  Louisville is a better win than we have.

Every single team we have beaten has a losing record. Not even a .500 record!  At least Standford has beaten three teams with a 500 record: ASU, UCLA, and Utah all of whom are better than the best team we've beaten....which is drumroll....47th ranked Purdue (per Sagarin) a team that lost to Rutgers.  That is bad. 

And our losses aren't even that good.  Blown out by PSU and beaten at home by a meh MSU team.  We have a really bad resume right now.  Every team ranked 20-25 is pretty flawed and we don't have a good argument over any of them.

crg

November 1st, 2017 at 11:45 AM ^

Not that unreasonable. Winning out would involve beating top 5/10 teams of Wisc and OSU, then the west champ (prob Wisc again). That is enough to get back in top 10, and maybe top 5 depending on what others do. Now, whether or not that will ever happen is another story.

oriental andrew

November 1st, 2017 at 1:32 PM ^

It's nigh impossible for Michigan to make the championship game b/c H2H hurts us against psu and msu. Win out and Michigan is 7-2. The only way Michigan makes it to the championship game is if osu, psu, and msu each lose 2 games apiece. That ain't happenin', folks. 

Most realistic path (which is hardly realistic, imo): psu loses to msu and one of nebraska/maryland. osu loses to iowa and Michigan. msu loses to osu and... maryland?

The long of it:

psu would need to lose 2 games b/c they'd have H2H tiebreaker over us if we're tied, so they MUST have an additional loss. Other than msu, they play Rutgers, Nebrask, and Maryland. Chances of losing 2 are very slim, even if they somehow lose to msu.

osu would need to lose 2 more also b/c undefeated in conference. Assuming Michigan wins out, that's one loss for osu. They also have Iowa, msu, and Illinois and would need to lose to one of them, giving Michigan the H2H tiebreaker.

Let's say that msu somehow does us the favor of beating both psu and osu (I know, i could hardly type that with a straight face). They close out with Rutgers and Maryland which, yeah, they're not losing both of those. 

 

oriental andrew

November 1st, 2017 at 12:07 PM ^

I can't see them NOT being ranked in the CFP poll next week because:

  • #24 msu will surely get pounded by psu
  • one of #17 USC and #22 Arizona will lose in a H2H matchup
  • one of #21 Stanford and #25 WSU will lose in a H2H matchup
  • #20 NC State will probably lose to Clemson
  • #19 LSU will probably lose to Alabama

With the expectation that five 6-2 teams will lose this weekend, IF Michigan wins, they are definitely in the rankings, although probably no better than #21 or 22. It's really Wisco that will move the needle (obvs osu is obvs)

EDIT: as a sidenote, the composite of all (or a whole bunch, anyway) ranking systems puts Michigan at #20 (3 polls have Michigan as high as 14 and 1 poll has Michigan at 31)

https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

TrueBlue2003

November 1st, 2017 at 5:55 PM ^

you'd be correct that OU should be higher than Clemson.  But it's full body of work and Clemson has far more good wins (which is harder to do than win one tough game), and hasn't struggled with as many bad teams as OU has (Baylor, KSU, Texas compared to just Syracuse for Clemson).

Clemson being #4 is fine.

BuckeyeChuck

October 31st, 2017 at 9:03 PM ^

Clemson's best wins: Auburn, VaTech, Louisville, GaTech.

Oklahoma's best wins: Ohio State, Texas...Texas Tech?

Oklahoma's best win may be better than Clemson's best win, but Clemson's 2nd, 3rd, &4th best wins are as good or better than Oklahoma's 2nd best win.

Yes, Clemson's loss is a little bit worse loss than Oklahoma's (though Clemson's was on the road in a narrow loss, OU's was at home...did they blow a 21-point lead?), but Clemson has a better portfolio of wins than OU.

Michigan4Harbaugh

October 31st, 2017 at 10:29 PM ^

Ohio state's luck and good fortune is about to come to a screeching halt, SOON! They've been pulling golden horseshoes out of their asses since 2001.Their run of good fortune vs Michigan is up on Nov 25th. With Cheaty Mcsweatervest at the helm, the 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006 shouldn't even count, although they were all Michigan's games to win. 2007 we lost because of an injured offense. 2008-2010 we had awful teams. 2012 was our game in Columbus to win but HOKE, 2013 ohio st dodged another bullet on the 2 or try, 2014 we were putrid like 2008-2010. 2015 was truly a head scratcher, and we all know what happened last season. FUCK OHIO ST!!!

BuckeyeChuck

October 31st, 2017 at 11:05 PM ^

Okay.

I'm sure you'll be happy on Nov. 25. In fact, why not begin celebrating now?

And what does any of this have to do with comparing Clemson's best wins with Oklahoma's best wins?

Lil boy blue

October 31st, 2017 at 11:47 PM ^

Clemson beat 3 top 15 teams in the opening month. Yes, some of those wins aren't as glamorous as they once were but the loss to Syracuse looked bad without the context that they had a hobbled QB and came against a team that isn't as bad as they appeared to be at the time of loss.

Perspective, Michigan loses to MSU with a backup QB in tsunami. Same deal, right? Problem is we have no wins against anyone ranked (yes, yes, I know ... FL was at the time), got lambasted against PSU with our strength of the team looking vulnerable. Couple that with MSU losing to Northwestern and PSU losing to OSU who obviously isn't all that well regarded from their initial rank.

We finally won a game by a comfortable margin that we should have won by a comfortable margin but still have yet to cover a spread.

Don't hate, appreciate. If Clemson is a bunch of pretenders that will show itself in due time.

blueandmaizeballs

October 31st, 2017 at 9:22 PM ^

Clemson has the best resume of any team and they lost that game when their starting qb was out with an injury. I don't think there are any elite teams tb is year all teams seem to have one major flaw. I don't understand how LSU is ranked and we are not. The 15 -25 rankings are like they put up a dart board of teams and just threw darts and that s what order they put them in. I think the CFP rankings are a joke. Needs to be more teams in it at least 8. Notre Dame are they really any good? USC is way overrated yet because they have Sam Darnold everyone's favorite ginger they think USC is good. I also think Mississippi State is overrated also.

I Like Burgers

October 31st, 2017 at 8:20 PM ^

There is a bit of propping each other up when it comes to Ohio State and Penn State.

To answer your question though, Penn State has wins over the No. 43, 55, 71, and 26 teams in S&P+.  Their lone loss is to the No. 1 team in S&P+.

Clemson has wins over No. 10, 42, 76, 15, 24, and 46 teams in S&P+.  Their loss is to the No. 63 team...which isn't great. 

So, you're right. Clemson does have much better wins than I thought they did.  Feels like they should be lower, but maybe not.

DrMantisToboggan

October 31st, 2017 at 7:27 PM ^

I would be really happy with watching this playoff.

 

My hopes for the rest of the year are: Michigan gets to 10 wins, both OSU and PSU miss playoffs, Notre Dame makes playoff (leaving everyone on their team with an NFL decision satisfied with their college career) but gets crushed in round 1. Everything else is gravy.

blueandmaizeballs

October 31st, 2017 at 9:31 PM ^

I hope Notre Dame loses every game here on out I hate them plus we recruit alot of similar guys and the worse they are the better recruits come here instead of tbere. I don't want to see 2 SEC teams either. I want the best teams from the big10, Sec ,Acc, and whoever else is worthy of it. those 3 are the best conferences and it would be great to see UCF I there but I don't think the way this is set up no non power 5 school will ever get in.