Gulogulo37

December 13th, 2015 at 5:09 AM ^

It's still roughly 99% of the time. I don't even pay attention to the Heisman race anymore. If it was a serious discussion about the best players, then that'd be cool. But it's basically a popularity contest among the guys with the most eye-popping stats.

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Blazefire

December 13th, 2015 at 2:02 AM ^

If we're really talking about the best player of the season, and not hte best individual performance, then I think this is fine. If a guy hasn't clearly been the best all season (and another has), and then he goes off in the Conf Championship game, should that change thevote? I don't think so.

That said, the Heisman has been a travesty for years.If it weren't, a guy like Bosa (B1G's best Dlineman) would be at least invited, despite few flashy plays.

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WolvinLA2

December 13th, 2015 at 3:01 AM ^

I agree. It's possible 1/7th of the voters thought "I know who has had the best season so far, and in my opinion, it's not close enough that one game can swing my decision" and sent in their vote. It's also possible that a lot of those 15% voted for McCaffrey, so we can't blame the decision on that. And as many have said, you could argue that Henry's performance in the SEC title game was more impressive than McCaffrey's performance in his title game. McCaffrey had more yards, but Henry was playing a FAR better defense. I thought McCaffrey should win, but this isn't the reason he lost.

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L'Carpetron Do…

December 13th, 2015 at 12:04 PM ^

I disagree, I wasn't that impressed with Henry's game vs FLorida in the champ. game (probably because the game overall bored me to tears, but maybe that shouldn't be a factor).  He had a ton of yards - but on a ton of carries, like 36+ or something like that. And he didn't really seem to break anything or make a spectacular big play.   IIRC, I think his day came to like 4 yards a carry which is really good but wouldn't necessarily lock it up for me if I was a Heisman voter.  Especially after McCaff put up 400+ yards on the Trojans.  The Gator D is excellent but USC was also stacked with talent this year but underperformed. 

I think they should have a rule that votes can't be sent in until all the games are finished, those that come in early from media voters won't be counted...

 

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Stu Daco

December 13th, 2015 at 2:35 AM ^

Who cares? So 15% of the voters ignore 8% of the season in picking an award that goes to the best offensive player on the best team anyway.  BFD.

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rockydude

December 13th, 2015 at 2:14 AM ^

The early voting doesn't explain the Keenan Reynolds snub though. And I respectfully disagree with those suggesting it is for the best player or even best offensive player on the best team. Haven't we seen average QBs win the award when they have a superstar LT doing the real work. I think the award goes to a QB or RB only, on a contending team. I'd much rather give it to an awesome lineman when merited. Those guys work for a living.

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rockydude

December 13th, 2015 at 2:52 AM ^

FYI - I didn't mean that in a dick way or whatever. I just wanted to make the point that it's an award for basically two positions. (And a WR every 20 or 25 years) Not even my two favorite positions or anything. I think that part is uncool also.

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Knight

December 13th, 2015 at 10:38 AM ^

and this year wasn't even Reynolds best of his career statistically. The Heisman isn't a lifetime achievement award. This wasn't the greatest group of Heisman candidates this year. Henry had a great oline blocking for him in a surprisingly weak SEC, he and McCaffrey averaged less than 6 yards/carry, and McCaffrey had only 8 rushing tds. If Watson would have been utilized as a runner more early in the season his numbers probably would have been the most Heisman worthy out of the group.

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L'Carpetron Do…

December 13th, 2015 at 12:12 PM ^

You're right - its not a lifetime achievement award but that used to be a factor and Heisman voters are no longer considering it, unfortunately.  Ron Dayne and Ricky WIlliams basically won for their overall college careers more so than for their senior seasons (which were still excellent). 

But, I think Reynolds should've gone because he set the all time career TD record yesterday and he still had a pretty badass season.  ALso, I'm pretty sure he didn't throw his first INT on the year until the conf champ game, which is also amazing.  I know he's an option QB, but thats still pretty damn good.  I was at the game yesterday and he did make a few nice throws as well as making some big runs. 

I also think Colt McCoy should've won his senior year for finishing his career as the winningest college QB of all-time .

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I Like Burgers

December 13th, 2015 at 7:05 AM ^

He wasn't snubbed he was a very, very distant 5th in the voting. When you saw the votes it was clear why there were only three invited to NYC. All of this "but they should invite 5-10 guys" stuff is participation trophy level bullshit. Let's just give all the finalists a mini Heisman so no one's feelings get hurt.

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Swazi

December 13th, 2015 at 2:34 AM ^

Henry broke a 34 year old Herschel Walker SEC rushing record.  A record that Emmitt Smith, Bo Jackson, Shaun Alexander, etc couldn't break.

 

And Barry Sanders got that record almost entirely from running the ball.  McCaffrey got it from running, catching, passing, and returning, mostly against pretty bad defenses.

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Danwillhor

December 13th, 2015 at 2:58 AM ^

but people need to get off his nuts a bit. He broke a record in 2 or 3 more games doing about 50 different things. His season is nowhere near what Barry had on an individual accomplishment basis. Was it enough for the invite? Absolutely! No doubt. I don't know the numbers but he should have finished 2nd and hope he did. This year simply didn't have that runaway winner like other years so Henry won because he had great games when Alabama needed it most and he played for Alabama. No program gets the benefit of the doubt like Alabama has under Saban. Henry wasn't a poor choice. However, to have any votes in with games to play is something that needs fixed but the biggest thing that needs fixing wrt the Heisman is how "Nation's most outstanding player" is defined. It used to be that way for a short time but then turned into what's been said a million times - the MVP of the best team or Championship caliber team if the player is truly outstanding. The voters shouldn't care about who a player plays for or that team's record or whatever as they need to pick the best player in CFB that year. No position bias or surrounding cast bias or career achievement award bias etc. Most winners in my lifetime (over 30 years) weren't the best player in the country but QB/HB of the best team. THAT needs to change and then fix voting and then the ceremony. I just don't subscribe to the notion that McCaffery and the Navy QB were robbed of the award and invite. Henry was as deserving as most past winners and more in some cases. McCaffery is great but people need to stop with the Barry record BS as his season wasn't even close to that as an accomplishment.

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Swazi

December 13th, 2015 at 2:27 AM ^

It wouldn't change anything since Henry ran for 180 yards against the 12th ranked defense in the country and McCaffrey got 300 rushing/recieving yards against the 94th ranked defense in the country.

 

The defenses Stanford faced:

Northwestern: 8th.  CM had 89 rushing/recieving yards.  (ESPN does not show return yards on player stats)

UCF: 114th. CM had 117 ruching/recieving yards.

USC: 94th.  

Oregon State: 116th. 

Arizona: 113th. 

UCLA: 58th

Washington: 27th.  CM had 221 rushing/receiving yards.

WSU: 87th

Colorado: 105th

Cal: 108th

Notre Dame: 39th.  CM had 113 rushing/receiving yards.

 

Now for Henry:

Wisconsin: 2nd.  Henry had 147 rushing yards and 3 TDs.

Middle Tennessee: 54th.  Henry had 96 rushing yards and 3 TDs.

Ole Miss: 53rd.  Henry had 127 rushing yards and 1 TD.

Louisiana Monroe: 110th

Georgia: 5th. Henry had 148 rushing yards and 1 TD.

Arkansas: 67th

Texas AnM: 43rd.  Henry had 236 rushing yards and 2 TDs.

Tennessee: 46th.  Henry had 143 rushing yards and 2 TDs.

LSU: 10th. Henry had 210 rushing yards and 3 TDs.

Mississippi State: 55th. Henry had 204 rushing yards and 2 TDs.

Charleston Southern: FCS

Auburn: 85th

Florida: 12th. 189 rushing yards and 1 TD.

 

So to recap:

 

McCaffrey faced five teams that had defenses ranked in the 100s.

Henry faced two (Ill count the FCS team in that).

 

McCaffrey faced three teams with defenses in the top 50 in the country.

Henry faced six.

 

It really isn't much of a shock they chose Henry.  And the CCGs weren't going to change the outcome.

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Gulogulo37

December 13th, 2015 at 5:15 AM ^

Without accounting for tempo and opponents' SOS, or even looking solely at rushing defense, those stats are almost meaningless. Wisconsin is 2nd? Give me a break. They're 2nd because they play in maybe the weakest Power 5 division in the country. The SEC isn't exactly packed with amazing QBs this year.

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Gulogulo37

December 13th, 2015 at 8:44 AM ^

Behind probably the best O-line in the country. But yes, you could say McCaffrey benefited from a senior QB.

All of those defensive stats he cites though aren't for rushing defense, they're for total defense. I picked a team at random, Texas A&M. He says their defense is 43rd, but their rushing defense is 103rd in the country. And you still need to adjust for tempo and opponents. Do you think Wisconsin really has the 4th-best rush defense in the country? Or did they benefit from playing Purdue, Illinois, etc.? Who even has a decent offense in the Big Ten West? Iowa?

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95civicex

December 13th, 2015 at 9:10 AM ^

Rankings are S&P+ Rush Defense

 

Standford:

  • Northwestern: 16th (McCaffery 171 All Purpose yds. 66 rush 23 rec)
  • UCF: 107th (McCaffery 166 All Purpose yds. 58 rush 59 rec)
  • USC: 35th (McCaffery 249 All Purpose yds. 115 rush 37 rec)
  • Oregon State: 100th (McCaffery 303 All Purpose yds. 206 rush 38 rec)
  • Arizona: 66th (McCaffery 260 All Purpose yds. 156 rush 11 rec)
  • UCLA: 54th (McCaffery 369 All Purpose yds. 243 rush 4 rec)
  • Washington: 20th (McCaffery 300 All Purpose yds. 109 rush 112 rec)
  • WSU: 89th (McCaffery 136 All Purpose yds. 107 rush 26 rec)
  • Colorado: 95th (McCaffery 220 All Purpose yds. 147 rush 15 rec)
  • Oregon: 110th (McCaffery 244 All Purpose yds. 147 rush 42 rec)
  • Cal: 73th (McCaffery 389 All Purpose yds. 192 rush 49 rec)
  • Notre Dame: 51st (McCaffery 228 All Purpose yds. 94 rush 19 rec)
  • USC again: 35th (McCaffery 461 All Purpose yds. 207 rush 105 rec)

Alabama:

  • Wisconsin: 14th (Henry 159 All Purpose yds. 147 rush 12 rec)
  • Middle Tennessee: 83rd (Henry 96 All Purpose yds. 96 rush)
  • Ole Miss: 18th (Henry 166 All Purpose yds. 127 rush 39 rec)
  • Louisiana Monroe: 45th (Henry 52 All Purpose yds. 52 rush )
  • Georgia: 23rd (Henry 148 All Purpose yds. 148 rush)
  • Arkansas: 56th (Henry 95 All Purpose yds. 95 rush)
  • Texas AnM: 82nd (Henry 254 All Purpose yds. 236 rush 18 rec)
  • Tennessee: 25th (Henry 143 All Purpose yds. 143 rush)
  • LSU: 50th (Henry 210 All Purpose yds. 210 rush)
  • Mississippi State: 60th (Henry 204 All Purpose yds. 204 rush)
  • Charleston Southern: FCS (Henry 96 All Purpose yds. 68 rush 28 rec)
  • Auburn: 53rd (Henry 271 All Purpose yds. 271 rush)
  • Florida: 5th (Henry 189 All Purpose yds. 189 rush

 

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Don

December 13th, 2015 at 3:01 AM ^

the Heisman's original designation as the best player in the country became irrelevant, with the single exception of Woodson. It would make more sense to give two Heismans, one for offense and one for defense.

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