Sam Webb @SamWebb77
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
You're pretty quick on the draw
What's our chances?
He reportedly loved his time spent with the coaches and he is leaning towards playing football with Michigan being his choice if he played football and MSU being his choice if he played basketball. But we'll see.
With no inside info, I tend to agree. From what I hear/read he tore it up at the Michigan camp and the coaches really liked him. Everyone talks about his upside being higher in football (which makes sense given his size and athletic ability), I think if he is thinking more on footbal he has a better connection with our coaches (after last week). Also the timing seems good- right after our camp.
Is it possible for him to play both at Michgan? What's the scholarship rule for 2 sport athletes? I'm guessing it would count away from both.
just football. He has been told he can play both at Michigan (same with MSU I beleive)
Does he have a basketball offer from MSU/UofM? I thought only Booker, Bates-Diop and now Bluiett have offers from Beilein.
I'm guessing that if he wanted basketball to be his primary sport, he would want to go to a school that gave him one.
It wouldn't matter. If he played both sports, he'd have to take the scholarship in football and walk-on the basketball teams. I believe the only way around it would be to play basketball first, and then try-out for the football team afterwards.
This avoids getting extra scholarships by having your men's track team full of football scholarships.
Coach B doesn't have to offer him, he'd have his football scholarship and would walk on the basketball team after football season.
It's hard to be a dual sport player.
My point was more that if he wants to play basketball at Mich he may find it meaningful that he doesnt have a scholarship and would have to play football and walk on the basktball team.
MSU was the first school that told him he could play both.
In the not too long running of my not too long memory, your best post!
And now my real answer:
If we're not chosen for his football commitment, do you think we have a chance for his basketball one?
Able to play basketball at one school and football at another?
Sorry dude but can you stop posting for a year or something, every single single one of your posts get downvoted and there is a reason for it.
Take a redshirt year and learn from the bench, I know you want immediate posting time but I just don't think it's in the blogs best interest for you to post. It's hurting the blog, and no man is greater than the blog.
The Blog. The Blog. The Blog
Here's your solution, "Mr Mario:" change your handle and buy a style book. Learn the basics, such as punctuation and correct word usage. Then, come back as a "whole new you" and see if you can "hang with the big boys."
One other thing: you might want to stop reading replies. It will keep you from getting sucked into those pointless arguments that always end badly.
i have no idea what "past rant" you're talking about, and i only moderate content, not users (so i upvote or downvote based on each individual post), but as far as i can remember, most of your posts go down rather than up. learn to express yourself clearly. punctuation and a lot of grammar isn't all that important in internet fora, but you should still probably learn to spell if you don't want to get flamed.
Looks like MSU. Trieu posted an update about the decision just for them.
And that web site is?????
are you still here? Have ANY of your predictions been correct???
EDIT: response was meant for THE PARTY ROOM
the Trieu tweet had a link for UM later on in the tweet
I think he would have came in for a visit with Beiein before announcing. Hopefully, I am wrong...
my week just got way more exciting haha
Adding to the Trieu thing TomVH pretty much said don't get your hopes up on the ESPN message board...
Ha, and then a couple of minutes after I posted this he explicitly stated don't get your hopes up. Bleh.
Webb also thinks MSU
Tremendous is stating that the timing of the announcement likely means that the decision will be MSU as well. That was on the Facebook page a little while ago anyway.
On his website, Tremendous goes "out on a limb" and predicts Michigan.
hope he picks Michigan. If for no other reason, then to see an epic Sparty meltdown.
I heard he's going to play football at Michigan and basketball at MSU.
Just kidding. You can't do that. He's going to state.
A little surprised he is announcing this early.
Well, there's still a long way until signing day of 2014.
I don't know what to believe. Party Room is saying different than others. What does he know that we don't.
It just seems like its gonna be MSU, sounds like he really likes playing Basketball more than Football. Truthfully if you combine the 2 you gotta give MSU the lead in that aspect with Football not as far behind UM as UM's basketball is to MSU's (But, its not that far behind).
Hopefully tho he does pick UM as he is an amzing talent at both sports,
You must be very young.
And why is that?
Because, historically, UM has a stronger basketball program than MSU, with the only real seasons where MSU was noticeably better being 2000-2008 or so. Sure, they have 2 national titles to our 1, but for most of Big Ten history, UM is the stronger program.
And the difference in the football programs is VAST. The last few years is not a good indicator of either, which is why I'm assuming you're young. That's OK - young people are wrong a lot. And it's a way better excuse than being dumb, so I'd go with it.
MSU has two national championships. Michigan has one. MSU has eight final four appearances. Michigan has four. MSU has 16 Sweet 16 appearances. Michigan has nine. MSU has won the Big Ten Tournament three times. UM has never won it. MSU and UM are tied with 13 Big Ten Regular Season titles - despite the fact that MSU has been in the Big Ten for 30-40 less years. Plus MSU doesn't have a gigantic scandal that ravaged the program.
I'm curious about your metrics.
Look - MSU has obviously done a lot under Tom Izzo, I won't take that away from you. But outside of the Izzo era and while Magic was there, MSU has been an average team.
Both UM and MSU have played in three national championship games, unless you count our two with the Fab Five, which you should, but that's fine if you don't. MSU won two of those, we won once. Yeah, MSU has more Big Ten tournament titles than UM but that's because the tournament is relatively new.
Don't blame your conference championship totals on being newer to the Big Ten than us, because you really didn't start winning them until the 90s anyway.
The point is - MSU basketball consists of one very dominant player, and one very good coach. So when you compare the two programs, it's fairly even. This is in contrast to the football programs, where the difference is comical.
Maybe your metrics are off. Michigan won the 1st ever B1G Tournament in '98.
My metrics are on, your facts are off. Michigan forfeited that championship due to, you know, rampant cheating. Michigan has never won the Big Ten tournament.
It may have been vacated, but we still won it. Do you think our vacated loss to Ohio doesn't still feel like a loss? The games were played.
I'll repeat - Michigan has never won the Big Ten Men's basketball tournament. That is indisputable.
I apologize for providing facts that disprove misconceptions on this message board.
wait, what? when did we vacate the NCAAs Ohio game? and we lost anyway. makes no sense.
Well, considering it's 2012 and at this moment MSU's basketball is better than UM's (Also MSU is allowing him to play both as a Freshmen. UM has told other players that want to play both they have to wait till they are a Sophmore(I don't know what they told him)) and the football programs at THIS moment are not far apart. YES, UM's history in both sports are deeper and better than MSU's but I don't care who the player is, they want to play for a good team NOW, not because the school was good in the past (Yes, UM is very good at both sports now). So just because UM has more History then MSU even though at the moment MSU is combined better it makes UM have better teams? No it doesn't, especially to a 17yr old kid.
Now I'm not saying he is choosing MSU or UM I'm just stating that the better choice for him in both sports is MSU. But its not just sports it's what school he wants to live at for the next 4 years and that could lead him to UM hell it could lead him to ND even. And like I said in the post earlier I hope he does choose UM as he is a very good player in both sports.
I never said that Historically MSU has better teams I was refering to the present that matters most to kids. Also as ldd10 stated some facts, it looks like UM's basketball is not as good as you make it out to be. MSU's program may just be historically better than UM's in basketball.
How is Beilen beating down Izzo in bball recruiting? They aren't even really targeting the same guys...
MSU's prime targets in 2013 are Jabari Parker, Demetrius Jackson, and James Young
MSU's prime targets in 2014 are Cliff Alexander, Tyus Jones, Jahil Okafor, Drake Harris, and JaQuan Lyle
MSU is targeting some very high level players over the next couple cycles.
Demetrius Jackson had a Michigan offer before Derrick Walton committed. And MSU was pursuing Walton before his U-M commitment.
Please explain to me how Beilein is beating down Izzo in recruiting when he has got NOBODY to commit that has a MSU offer, while just this year Costello, Kaminski, and Valentine - all MSU commits - had UM offers. This whole thread has been quite entertaining.
Well you might win recruiting, but we develop lower ranked players then beat you head-to-head with them. /boom msu football logic'd
OK, so Belein is not beating down Izzo in recruiting. Got it.
That the sarcastic nature of my comment went undetected
Ummm...MSU doesn't have any commits yet for 2013 so I'd hope you'd have a better class so far. The huge targets - primarily Jabari Parker - are still on the board. That doesn't even take into account the fact that MSU is in on four of the top 20 for 2014 - not even including the fact that Drake Harris will likely take a football scholarship assuming he commits. 2013 and 2014 might be Izzo's best classes yet...not bad considering 2012 was a Top 10 class.
UM is NOW in football, a new coach in Hoke who takes UM to an 11-2 record with a BCS bowlgame win. UM is winning in recruiting beause everyone is hearing about them. YES, kids know about the past and that will get players to consider schools because of hearing about them but that doesn't mean he will choose UM just because historically they are better. History especially doesn't make a team better than another when that team has a better team at the moment (UM basketball to MSU's).
Explain how ALL of MSU's 2012 basketball commits had UM offers. Meanwhile, not one of UM's 2012 basketball commits had an MSU offer. There is no way UM is beating MSU in basketball recruiting. Football, you have a case.
Just a case? Don't think there is much of an argument to that one
That is correct. And we have downright embarrassed them in cases like Maurice Hurst and Pat Kugler. And hopefully Michael Ferns will follow suit and commit without ever visiting MSU. That would be very LOL Sparty, if you will. But in basketball, we haven't won a heads-up recruiting battle in ages. I don't think we've really had one in a while, but we aren't exactly pulling guys with serious interest in MSU. The McGary pull was huge on a national recruiting stage, but Beilein's MO has been getting on guys before any big programs have interest. I can't wait to see some in-state recruiting battles now that our team has been roughly as successful over the past few seasons and also now that we have the new facilities for hoops. Should be fun.
Izzo and Dantonio will say just about anything to get a recruit - just ask Dion Sims how he's enjoying his time with sparty basketball...
Sims decided not to play basketball. The offer was there but he decided to focus on football.
He doesn't care anymore... He's got hundreds of laptops....
I find it interesting that you say MSU's basketball is currently better than UM's considering, you know, MSU has lost three of the last four times the two teams have played.
Pretty sure MSU went to the final four in 1999. Oh wait, they went there in 09 and 10 too. You sold them short 3 years in being dominant over you.
mods can you please ban this user... he has done nothing but troll
Because Michigan State has 1 bowl victory in the last 10 years and haven't been to the Rose bowl in over 20 years
You know who else is young? Drake Harris.
Big deal. Look at our football and basketball recruiting classes - they seem to get it. Scarface came out before I was born, but I still watched it. Hell - ND hasn't done shit since any of these kids were born, but they still get recruits. History is not irrelevent.
For every rule though there is an exception. Some young people pay more attention to old history than others, but part of history is the past ten years.
You are right History is not irrelevant. But with that said, in most cases of recruits, History is NOT a very high priority in what school they choose. It can play a factor into what schools they look but not really what school they choose.
ND is getting the players because its a great school and capmpus. Also as much as I and a lot of other people Hate Kelly, he is a good coach even tho he hasn't had much success at ND YET.
You mean the Pacino Scarface or the old B&W one? Either you people are getting younger or I'm getting older.
I think Dantonio is going to run a 10-wide spread offense since in a year the only decent offensive players they'll have are wide receivers.
How the hell is Party Room still not banned?
He's been caved.
He must be visible only on the app, because I don't see any of his posts.
you'd need a ticket to Bolivian to see THE PARTY ROOM.
Nah, just an the iPhone app. He's blocked on the Drupal version of the site, but not the mobile one.
Probably had to move up his decision date since Dantonio told him they were almost full at the players named Harris slot(especially with '13 WR Jay Harris committing earlier today).
MSU's 2013 recruiting is becoming something to watch. They have, I think, 5 scholarships left, and they need basically all of them to be offensive or defensive linemen. Outside of Riley Norman, I'm not sure who of note they can get. Dantonio is going to need some beneficial attrition and/or scouting miracles to compete in the trenches in a few years' time. I'm sure SPARTAN NATION believes he can pull it off, but it sure as shit would give me pause.
Why do you say only 5 scholarships left? They only have 10 commits... and they only took 19 last year.
But I agree that it's something to watch. They only took 2 OL and 1 DL last year, and as you pointed out, no OL/DL yet this year. I think Finley (OL who was recently offered by OSU) is thought to be an MSU lean. But man, not sure if all those skill players (4TE, 6WR, 2QB, 3 RB in 2012 and 2013) are going to be able to do much with no O--line.
They only have 15/16 spots this year. The MSU staff wants two OTs, one OG, one DT, one DE , and one SS. We will end up with a good safety. We only need one DE because LT moved to DE from LB. We feel we will get Chicago DE Demetrious Cooper, but ND is also a player in his recruitment. We are in OT Dennis Finley's top two, with the Illini. We are also in WI DE Alec James top four, but everyone knows its a two horse race between us and Wiscy. There are a lot of DTs from down south that are interested in us, and one from the midwest Josh Augusta. Benenoch is still a possiblity for OG if he visits, but we need him to visit.
Yeah, you guys need some beef up front in a big way. Those good LBs won't do much if they're getting DTs plowed into them all game, and those receivers won't do much if the QB's getting hurried before they can get to their breaks. LBs need a good DL to succeed - not a great one necessarily, but a good one. And OL controls everything on offense, so having great skill players does no good if they don't have anyone to block for them.
It's surprising that with the nightmare you guys had depth-wise at OL this past fall, Dantonio wouldn't have compensated by taking 5 OL like we did. He'll probably just coach up some other guys.
With the limited schollys this year, I think we will beef up on the lines next year. This year we have good depth on the OL and DE, not so much at DT. We have a lot of DTs just all of them are sophmores. The MSU staff views certain wideouts as a whole different posistion. Guys like Sims Jr, Jay Harris, and Kings are more return specialists.
Why does MSU have limited scholarships this year? Because of so many redshirts? I don't recall any NCAA sanctions.
They redshirt damn near everyone, and hardly anyone leaves early for the draft. Sooner or later that leads to a scholarship crunch.
The nightmare at OL last fall actually helped. It gave us guys who didn't have OL experience.. well OL experience. and to have all of those guys coming back, plus the guys who went down on injury, gave us a huge boost in depth. combine that with taking i think 5 OL in 2012, and its not as big as a necessity in 2013. 2014 however will be huge on the OL.
You took four, and they almost all sucked. And you only took one DT and one DE. That's a position group (DL) that needs to rotate a lot, so you guys are going to be in trouble.
Define "sucked"? They were all 3 stars.
We had a logjam at DE and DT (partially the reason why we had someone move from DE to TE).
Evan Jones (TE) will most likely move into OT.
Like i said, 2014 is when we need to load up on OL. we need a few in 2013, but its still only June.
According to Rivals, three were 3 stars and one was not rated. Even the three star guys were low three stars.
You guys have a lot of bodies on the DL, but not a lot of talent. This will become a problem soon, I promise.
I looked at 247 sports rankings, and all were 3 stars. One was 27th in the country at OT, another was 47th. The others were in the top 100 at OT.
How would you know if we have talent at DL or OL? Are you at practices?
I mean, Wisconsin has good lines right? Those are all 3-stars.
I'm not sure how any of this is flaimbait when you started the topic of our O and D line, but okay.
Darien Harris, Jay Harris, Gary Harris, Drake Harris?
I think women's basketball has a harris too.
Hollis is an innovator, he's secretely planning for every single player on all major sports teams to have only harris's on the team...
Convinced him that izzo and dantonio will indeed let him play 2 sports
I think all the work Izzo has put into recruiting this kid will pay off for Sparty. Dantonio gets a free ride on this one, but he has to pay for scholarship.
I think Dantonio has finally found a way to recruit against Hoke. Find kids that love basketball and let Izzo recruit for him.
Its going to be MSU. People around GRCHS have known he's been high on State for a long time.
Also, his teammate Tommy Doles ('14 OL just offered by UM) is high on MSU as well
Kuips, you're Dutch, I trust you for GRCHS news haha.
I am most definitely 100% dutch, also a GRCHS alum with a younger brother there
I'm sure Michigan can get better O-Line prospects than Doles, but Harris is a very good WR prospect
yeah, im "meh" on Doles,
but Drake has a HIGH ceiling aat WR. fragile though..
hope he picks blue... already very solid classs.....
and joins our bball squad..
...I do wonder if the offer to Tommy Doles meant anything....as in Drake would pick M if his buddy Doles also gets an offer....
The timing makes me wonder...
And, for the record: I, too, am Dutch -and a GRCHS grad- but I have no actual connections to give me any info on this decision.
If these two end up playing together, much more likely to both go to MSU than to UM...
I have a boatload of family at GRCHS that have been telling me MSU since his freshman year
As a Dutchman and GRCHS grad, I hope Christian High has more big time recruits in the near future. All of us mgoblog kindred spirits seem to be coming out of the woodwork.
From what I hear about GRCHS's change in strategy and bigger emphasis on sports, it sounds like this will actually be the case.
If they all want to play at MSU, then I hope GRCHS wins a lot of games with very average players.
The Michigan State fans I listen to, both reasonable men, believe he is all Sparty and actually aren't happy about it. For some reason, they believe his father is a headcase and not worth being affiliated with. Go figure.
I know what you mean. He plays entitled, and lazy.
and his dad is a character, ala Mr Grady
Good luck with his dad, Izzo and Dantonio.
his dad and a select few parents forced the bball coach out
Which coach? My middle school science teacher coached at GRCHS for a while...
...my mother's maiden name is "Bloem"...ya think we're related?
Certainly possible, but my dad's only got one sister, and I'm pretty sure her kids aren't hanging out on mgoblog, so probably not real closely... I know there's another Bloem clan out in the Hudsonville-ish area we can't find a connection to though.
...Bloem clan that is Catholic and of no relation. If you're in that Dutch/CRC group, you almost certainly are. Your dad is prob. my mom's cousin. Out of curiosity, do you know an exchange student that teaches violin?
That would make more sense. I'm definitely not familiar with all our relatives past my immediate cousins, and even if I was, I have a horrible memory for that kind of thing.
My parents had an exchange student from Korea named Ji a couple years ago I think, and she taught some violin lessons, so unless there are some super strange coincidences going on, you're thinking of the right family!
Yes, you are family...though I'd have to ask my mom exactly how -but most likely as I said before.
And, my daughter took violin lessons from Ji at your parents' house.
That is what we call "Dutch Bingo"!
"MGoBlog: Bringing mildly distant relatives together." should probably be the new tagline.
Let the Dutchman weigh in on this one:
Drake's dad is looney tunes, and this whole thing is about his ego. Drake is somehow a humble kid and is probably embarrassed by the attention and wants it over.
I have seen the kid play both sports, and its very hard to say what he would be better at, but as a bona fide hoops junkie, I would be disappointed if I did not see him play bigtime college basketball. He does actually look like he's not always playing hard, but the game comes so damn easy to him, I think thats just how it looks. He is a physical freak.
Yes, I have "inside" information, and I won't say who it is. Strange things go on at GRCHS with their athletic programs. Many attribute it to Bob VanderWeide (of the Orlando Magic Dwight Howard drunk-dialing fame) but I can't understand what his motivation would be.
West Michigan isn't exactly known for its high profile basketball players, Drake is probably bored out there.
I heard his dad had some issues, as well....as in he was threatening the coach (football, I believe) to pull Drake and send him to a Detroit area (private) school if something didn't go his way....don't recall exactly what the issue was.
e-History indicates to me that when there's very little buzz surrounding a recruit and Michigan and then said recruit suddenly decides to announce that it pretty much never ever results in said recruit committing to Michigan. I'll be shocked if he doesn't pick MSU
WIAB may do the trick too.
Seriously, hope he chooses M over Sparty since we still need a big time receiver.
You do know that Michigan has won 3 out of the last 4 basketball games, right?
edit: yeah, this isn't anywhere near the comment I replied to
he's gonna shock the world and pick Notre Dame! hahaha
It's strange that Sparty gets a lot of good WR's from instate. Rison, Rogers, Burbridge, and now (probably) Harris. I'm sure I have neglected a few more, too.
So he's going to decide which sport to play and which school to attend in the same announcement?
I expected this recruitment to last a lot longer given his two-sport status. I suppose I agree with the consensus that he'll pick Michigan if football is his primary focus, and MSU if it's basketball. Yes, I know he will have the opportunity to play both but he's going to have to emphasize one over the other at the college level or else he'll be mediocre at both.
I'll go out on a limb (with no substance) and predict UM Football because 6"4 receivers are more valuable than 6"4 guards.
Brady Hoke isnt recruiting against Mark Dantonio, he is actually recruiting against Tom Izzo. He can dominate Sparty on in state recruiting not only in football but also basketball. Thats gonna burn extra hot in East Lansing.
To be honest he may be the most overrated basketball player in the state in quite some time, after playing against him several times he is just above average for a kid playing in a grade below that he should be. Football he has seemed to be the real deal but then again he hasn't played vs the greatest of talent wouldn't be such a bad if he went green in my book.
He's a grade below the grade he should be in? Sounds like Sparty material after all.
Let's wait at least until he commits until we start talking crap about Mr. Harris and Drake as a student. Apparently coach Hoke still thinks he's a good fit for Michigan. And I'm willing to bet he has been scrutinizing the kid's character.
/not fully directed at you
Uhhh... Mitch McGary is doing the exact same thing, isn't he? Playing down a grade?
It was a little sad at first because people are thinking he's going to MSU.
Then it got really angry and there was some trolling and a lot of talking about MSU's team.
Then it ended in touching fashion with a bunch of Dutch people coming together and even a family reunion in there.
I know the assumption is he's going to Sparty, but can we please keep the trashing of the kid and his family to a minimum? This should go without saying for all HS kids, but especially since it's going to be awfully awkward if he does go Blue.
The KID is a nice humble guy. It's the dad....
and his dad is obviously related to Drake, a UM PROSPECT.
It's totally classless to trash his family on the message board of a school he's considering. You think recruits don't search the internet for chatter about themselves and a kid who has gotten such serious interest from UM isn't going to find mgoblog? I would hate to think of him reading some of the comments in this thread.
*posted before my e-stalker marks this -1 for trolling*
I didn't take time to read all 149 comments, so hopefully this isn't redundant. I talked to a friend who happens to be VERY close to Drake. It sounds like Tom Izzo has made a huge impression on Drake for a long time which could make MSU his destination. The friend of mine also said Drake is very high on Notre Dame due to a good relationship he has formed with Brian Kelly. The one thing that struck me is that my friend said Drake and his Dad grew up as Michigan fans, and both are very high on Brady Hoke. Last but not least, it sounded as though Drake had geniune interest in taking all five officials. He really wants to see Alabama and USC. Despite the fact that he will be announcing tomorrow, his recruitment could be far from over.
Soooooo, he is committing to everyone?
What a MORON!!!!!
Edit: In response to Rakefight
Is Brady Hoke going to GR today? Dantonio is reportedly on his way over there, which could mean something, unless Hoke is going too.
that would be against NCAA rules so I would highly doubt Dantonio would be there for a "press conference"
How is that trolling and why would it be against NCAA rules? I never said he'd be there for a press conference.