Well you might win recruiting, but we develop lower ranked players then beat you head-to-head with them. /boom msu football logic'd
'14 WR/SG Drake Harris to decide Wednesday
OK, so Belein is not beating down Izzo in recruiting. Got it.
That the sarcastic nature of my comment went undetected
Ummm...MSU doesn't have any commits yet for 2013 so I'd hope you'd have a better class so far. The huge targets - primarily Jabari Parker - are still on the board. That doesn't even take into account the fact that MSU is in on four of the top 20 for 2014 - not even including the fact that Drake Harris will likely take a football scholarship assuming he commits. 2013 and 2014 might be Izzo's best classes yet...not bad considering 2012 was a Top 10 class.
UM is NOW in football, a new coach in Hoke who takes UM to an 11-2 record with a BCS bowlgame win. UM is winning in recruiting beause everyone is hearing about them. YES, kids know about the past and that will get players to consider schools because of hearing about them but that doesn't mean he will choose UM just because historically they are better. History especially doesn't make a team better than another when that team has a better team at the moment (UM basketball to MSU's).
Explain how ALL of MSU's 2012 basketball commits had UM offers. Meanwhile, not one of UM's 2012 basketball commits had an MSU offer. There is no way UM is beating MSU in basketball recruiting. Football, you have a case.
Just a case? Don't think there is much of an argument to that one
That is correct. And we have downright embarrassed them in cases like Maurice Hurst and Pat Kugler. And hopefully Michael Ferns will follow suit and commit without ever visiting MSU. That would be very LOL Sparty, if you will. But in basketball, we haven't won a heads-up recruiting battle in ages. I don't think we've really had one in a while, but we aren't exactly pulling guys with serious interest in MSU. The McGary pull was huge on a national recruiting stage, but Beilein's MO has been getting on guys before any big programs have interest. I can't wait to see some in-state recruiting battles now that our team has been roughly as successful over the past few seasons and also now that we have the new facilities for hoops. Should be fun.
Izzo and Dantonio will say just about anything to get a recruit - just ask Dion Sims how he's enjoying his time with sparty basketball...
Sims decided not to play basketball. The offer was there but he decided to focus on football.
He doesn't care anymore... He's got hundreds of laptops....
I find it interesting that you say MSU's basketball is currently better than UM's considering, you know, MSU has lost three of the last four times the two teams have played.
Pretty sure MSU went to the final four in 1999. Oh wait, they went there in 09 and 10 too. You sold them short 3 years in being dominant over you.
mods can you please ban this user... he has done nothing but troll
Because Michigan State has 1 bowl victory in the last 10 years and haven't been to the Rose bowl in over 20 years
You know who else is young? Drake Harris.
Big deal. Look at our football and basketball recruiting classes - they seem to get it. Scarface came out before I was born, but I still watched it. Hell - ND hasn't done shit since any of these kids were born, but they still get recruits. History is not irrelevent.
For every rule though there is an exception. Some young people pay more attention to old history than others, but part of history is the past ten years.
You are right History is not irrelevant. But with that said, in most cases of recruits, History is NOT a very high priority in what school they choose. It can play a factor into what schools they look but not really what school they choose.
ND is getting the players because its a great school and capmpus. Also as much as I and a lot of other people Hate Kelly, he is a good coach even tho he hasn't had much success at ND YET.
You mean the Pacino Scarface or the old B&W one? Either you people are getting younger or I'm getting older.
I think Dantonio is going to run a 10-wide spread offense since in a year the only decent offensive players they'll have are wide receivers.
How the hell is Party Room still not banned?
He's been caved.
He must be visible only on the app, because I don't see any of his posts.
you'd need a ticket to Bolivian to see THE PARTY ROOM.
Nah, just an the iPhone app. He's blocked on the Drupal version of the site, but not the mobile one.
Probably had to move up his decision date since Dantonio told him they were almost full at the players named Harris slot(especially with '13 WR Jay Harris committing earlier today).
MSU's 2013 recruiting is becoming something to watch. They have, I think, 5 scholarships left, and they need basically all of them to be offensive or defensive linemen. Outside of Riley Norman, I'm not sure who of note they can get. Dantonio is going to need some beneficial attrition and/or scouting miracles to compete in the trenches in a few years' time. I'm sure SPARTAN NATION believes he can pull it off, but it sure as shit would give me pause.
Why do you say only 5 scholarships left? They only have 10 commits... and they only took 19 last year.
But I agree that it's something to watch. They only took 2 OL and 1 DL last year, and as you pointed out, no OL/DL yet this year. I think Finley (OL who was recently offered by OSU) is thought to be an MSU lean. But man, not sure if all those skill players (4TE, 6WR, 2QB, 3 RB in 2012 and 2013) are going to be able to do much with no O--line.
They only have 15/16 spots this year. The MSU staff wants two OTs, one OG, one DT, one DE , and one SS. We will end up with a good safety. We only need one DE because LT moved to DE from LB. We feel we will get Chicago DE Demetrious Cooper, but ND is also a player in his recruitment. We are in OT Dennis Finley's top two, with the Illini. We are also in WI DE Alec James top four, but everyone knows its a two horse race between us and Wiscy. There are a lot of DTs from down south that are interested in us, and one from the midwest Josh Augusta. Benenoch is still a possiblity for OG if he visits, but we need him to visit.
Yeah, you guys need some beef up front in a big way. Those good LBs won't do much if they're getting DTs plowed into them all game, and those receivers won't do much if the QB's getting hurried before they can get to their breaks. LBs need a good DL to succeed - not a great one necessarily, but a good one. And OL controls everything on offense, so having great skill players does no good if they don't have anyone to block for them.
It's surprising that with the nightmare you guys had depth-wise at OL this past fall, Dantonio wouldn't have compensated by taking 5 OL like we did. He'll probably just coach up some other guys.
With the limited schollys this year, I think we will beef up on the lines next year. This year we have good depth on the OL and DE, not so much at DT. We have a lot of DTs just all of them are sophmores. The MSU staff views certain wideouts as a whole different posistion. Guys like Sims Jr, Jay Harris, and Kings are more return specialists.
Why does MSU have limited scholarships this year? Because of so many redshirts? I don't recall any NCAA sanctions.
They redshirt damn near everyone, and hardly anyone leaves early for the draft. Sooner or later that leads to a scholarship crunch.
The nightmare at OL last fall actually helped. It gave us guys who didn't have OL experience.. well OL experience. and to have all of those guys coming back, plus the guys who went down on injury, gave us a huge boost in depth. combine that with taking i think 5 OL in 2012, and its not as big as a necessity in 2013. 2014 however will be huge on the OL.
You took four, and they almost all sucked. And you only took one DT and one DE. That's a position group (DL) that needs to rotate a lot, so you guys are going to be in trouble.
Define "sucked"? They were all 3 stars.
We had a logjam at DE and DT (partially the reason why we had someone move from DE to TE).
Evan Jones (TE) will most likely move into OT.
Like i said, 2014 is when we need to load up on OL. we need a few in 2013, but its still only June.
According to Rivals, three were 3 stars and one was not rated. Even the three star guys were low three stars.
You guys have a lot of bodies on the DL, but not a lot of talent. This will become a problem soon, I promise.
I looked at 247 sports rankings, and all were 3 stars. One was 27th in the country at OT, another was 47th. The others were in the top 100 at OT.
How would you know if we have talent at DL or OL? Are you at practices?
I mean, Wisconsin has good lines right? Those are all 3-stars.
I'm not sure how any of this is flaimbait when you started the topic of our O and D line, but okay.
Darien Harris, Jay Harris, Gary Harris, Drake Harris?
I think women's basketball has a harris too.
Hollis is an innovator, he's secretely planning for every single player on all major sports teams to have only harris's on the team...
Convinced him that izzo and dantonio will indeed let him play 2 sports
I think all the work Izzo has put into recruiting this kid will pay off for Sparty. Dantonio gets a free ride on this one, but he has to pay for scholarship.
I think Dantonio has finally found a way to recruit against Hoke. Find kids that love basketball and let Izzo recruit for him.
Its going to be MSU. People around GRCHS have known he's been high on State for a long time.
Also, his teammate Tommy Doles ('14 OL just offered by UM) is high on MSU as well
Kuips, you're Dutch, I trust you for GRCHS news haha.
I am most definitely 100% dutch, also a GRCHS alum with a younger brother there