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Good post. We suck. Fire offensive everyone.
Fire everyone. This isn't the 2005 MAC.
In 2004 it was 27 in regulation, but . . . yeah it's been bad these last several years.
Borges and Funk need to go asap. If Hoke wasnt such a great recruiter, Id say his ass needs fired too. This team/staff is a fucking joke right now. 8-4/7-5 will be the norm until some changes are made.
Interesting that with the most experienced team of Hoke's tenure the team went 11-2 with a BCS victory. That team also happened to be very strong on the lines.. There could be something there... Nah Fire them all!!!
in poor Michigan teams actually. 2006 and 2011 were complete anomolies.
I think we're on track for 0-3 pts next year then
We may go negative.
I'm ready for it
This year the trash tornado was our offense :(
Plus one to you, sir.
Negative points next year.
Indiana has a better OC.
And a better O-line
Yep. And their OL coach is Greg Frey, our old guy under RR. We may want to see if he wants to return.
Western Michigan? They scored a TD against MSU.
I miss Lloyd.
Goes to you good sir. I would give my left nut for a football team like Coach Carr years back.
Because six straight loses to OSU was fun, right?
Carr was 6-7 against OSU, and OSU was ranked in the top 10 (if not top 5) nearly every year he faced them. That record doesn't look so bad right now.
Carr was a very good coach who missed being a truly elite coach because of his reluctance to break tendencies and take more risks. In the 2008 Capital One Bowl he finally did, and it was fantastic - and looking back it was a shame he didn't have that epiphany earlier. But even with his conservatism, he was very good overall.
What is galling about today is that Dantonio has essentially followed the Carr blueprint to a T in building his program.
It's not disputed that Carr was great for Michigan. But the last six years of Carr's years are to Michigan what John Cooper was to Ohio State. I don't hear a tone of praise for John Cooper coming out of Columbus. Denying that is denying the truth.
You're making it sound worse than it was. Carr didn't lose six years in a row. It was four in a row (2004-07) - and the fourth year, Henne and Hart were badly injured but insisted on suiting up. If they had been healthy it's a very different game.
Anyway, OSU's 2006 and 2007 teams that beat us went on to play for the national title. That's pretty different from Cooper's remarkable tendency of losing to Michigan teams than were 7-3 or 6-4 beforehand.
I'm not trying to make it sound worse than it was. I'm very thankful Carr gave all he did to Michigan. That said,when looking back in sports the reality is only that which is recorded in the record book.
I don't know why that guy gets a pass on this board at all.
Start the petition
So MSU got better after our old coach stopped recruiting and our new coach led us into the worst three year slump in school history before our current coach pulled a literal 180 scheme change and has us still running a hybrid franken offense compiled from terrible plays? HUH, imagine that.
Yeah that's it! Blame Carr!!!
Yeah, cause that's totally the only thing I said and nothing else! Reading comprehension, WOO!!
You did explicitly just say our downfall in the series started with Lloyd Carr. It's not a reading comprehension issue when someone just sarcastically regurgitates what you just said...
Yeah, yeah, I know said other things as well, but whatever. I acknowledge a lot of our issues have been caused by the deficiencies of these past two regimes, but I don't think our problem in this rivalry is mostly based on our own sideline; I think it's what is on MSU's sideline. Dantonio and Narduzzi may not know how to win their other big games, but they know how to beat Michigan, plain and simple. Although we and Sparty fans forget this but a small hiccup in the series, MSU currently owns us. It's almost as if they've obsessively put all their know how into stopping us. If they ever decide to put that much effort towards their other opponents, they may actually soon win a B1G title one of these years.
He cherry picked one of my reasons and not even the correct one, lol.
I'd say our current mess is maybe 1% on Carr, 80% Rich Rod Hates OL Recruitng, and 19% coaching (and blaming Carr is more out of possibly misguided spite than anything else).
I hoped that we would be getting more talent out of young OL, but honestly, that was in vain. History shows that anything less than a Junior OL will 95 times out of 100, result in PAIN. I think Funk gets fired early next year if there is no line improvement (which I don't think will happen but you never know). Borges is the wildcard here. If the offense struggles against Nebraska, Northwestern, and Ohio, then I don't see how he survives the offseason.
Oh. My. God.
This made me sick.
Holy Jumpin Jesus Jehosephat. So, you mean to say that the less points we put up on the board the less likely we are to win rivalry games? You are definitely onto something my friend!
What is the cause of this? Very interesting, and possibly not related, but I feel that it is.
What does this say about UM/MSU?
The ball don't lie and neither do the numbers. They've won five out of six. We've become Sparty's bitch.
I'll donate money to pay for a new O-Line coach. Borges is an enigma wrapped in a mystery inside a riddle and coated by the yellow cake of a Twinkie.
Came from Heiko's "counterpunt":
"The next time Michigan executes a proper constraint against an opponent that over-defends a base play will be the first time."
As a CFB fan, MSU vs. OSU is a game I am really interesting in seeing.
Fans tend to overemphasize offense, but MSU's D is real and they have a good shot.
I'm with you. The best thing we can hope for here is for Sparty to beat Ohio, and get spanked in the Rose Bowl. Even better but unrealistic would be for us to beat Ohio and preserve out home streak and knock them from the BCS bowls. They'd probably still land in one the way we did in the Sugar because Urbz, but I could hope.
He did? Amazing. So is he 5-2 against now? Thanks for telling me. Amazing knowledge.
It is all about the offensive line.
Coach Funk is a fail.
Interesting stat from that line: RR offenses scored 58 points against sparty in 3 games, Borges offenses have scored 32 in 3. Home/away performances aside, it's almost a 2-1 difference.
To be fair, MSU is better defensively now than it was then. Dantonio's defenses were nothing special in his first few years.
32 points in three games is still pretty pathetic though. That's a sign something is seriously amiss.
So Michigan wins next year in EL by the score of 2-0.
That is going to be awesome.
We are Alabama in the early 2000s.
We haven't won the LOS in 6 years.
We haven't won the LOS in 6 years.
