Well there is more to his comments than that. I was just thinking after the whole controversy to begin with that he doesn't want to deal with it. He is also not one to pump up individual play for the public.
But if were have to be serious, then what you said.
Well it was humor at my expense and I don't appreciate that!
I'll tell RR to give you the #1 if you embed a larger version of your avatar.
How do you embed a personal file? It only lets me input a URL. Otherwise I woooouuuuuld
How can I get an enlarged image of your avatar? I would like to analyze it further and I need a bigger scale.
But I will post a larger file tomorrow. I actually have a better pic...got very lucky with my seats for the uconn game and was able to take a few great pics of Brock
I hope this is directed toward me. I've had a few beverages and really haven't used the iPhone app all that much.
20 bucks says it's actually a man
Looks like it could be a guy.
he was obviously joking about the controversy in year 1 when he was thinking about giving the #1 to a non-WR. braylon set him straight.
That's one view. I'd say that Braylon unnecessarily made a spectacle of himself (by design, surely, even if done so unconsciously) and a mountain out of a molehill. Need I add that the nonsense was lumped in with Mike Boren's Family Values crusade? Both were multiplied ad nauseum by lame MSM journalists. Thanks a bunch, Braylon.
No wonder Rodriguez doesn't seem enthusiastic.
Why not give it to Roundtree, Stonum, and Hemingway?
There's no reason why UofM couldn't break out the hexadecimal for our WRs.
It's because of Braylon.
I took RR's comment to mean that he personally was not going to select and give out a special number to a player.
I'm guessing this is in large part do to the fiasco when he accidentally gave #1 to a defensive player.
I didn't take it to mean that someone couldn't earn, ask for, or be elected (by the players?) as the new #1.
I think if Roundtree finishes up the year strong, he deserves it both from a performance and personality standpoint. Just my opinion.
The common theme under RR has been the team. Considering the team has not done very well the last few years and is bowl eligible for the first time under RR I don't think they should be worrying about individual accomplishments.
With that said I hope RR embraces the traditoin of the #1 jersey.
Hopefully in the near future we'll be in a place to recognize individual accomplishments but as of now we're not there IMO. I think Roy deserves it though, he's got the talent and the stats, but we need to accomplish more as a team first.
Everyone remembers Bo's famous words "The Jersey, the Jersey, the Jersey.
I would love to have seen the way it played out if Bo was the coach right now and Edwards came to his office to "Educate" him on how the number 1 jersey worked.
Is the #1 jersey a thing of the past?
It better not be. He might wait for a senior WR to give it to, or something like that. I could see that happening, each year a senior WR (or other player) who's earned it could wear it.
RR did make a comment a long while back about "someone has to earn It' so hopefully he hasn't dismissed it altogether.
Of course if he wants people to stop asking about it he should just give it to someone.
I'm sure Braylon will get in RRods ear about a choice at the end of the season. It should probably be that way, esp since he's the one who's forked over the cash to endow the schollie.
I think we should just go ahead and establish that Braylon is singularly in charge of designating who wears the number 1. That would avoid any real discrepencies on the matter. Not to mention, A) Coach Rod doesn't need to distract himself with any personal accolade BS, and B) Braylon knows a thing or two about being a great college reciever. I trust him to make the right choice.
I think it is great of Braylon to contribute schollies, but I don't think it should buy him the right to decide who does or doesn't wear the jersey. It just seems "too SEC" to me. Braylon's donation should come with no strings attached, like those of other donors.
In other words, "Thanks for the donation, Braylon. Now go do what you do best and let the coaches do what they do best. See ya at the next alumni/booster function."
We also don't think anybody but Braylon should be able to decide who gets to wear the #1 jersey. After all, wasn't he the only Wolverine of any significance who wore it?
Anthony Carter WR 1979-1982
Greg McMurtry WR 1986-1989
Derrick Alexander WR 1990-1994
David Terrell WR 1998-2000
Greg Willner P/PK 1976-1978
*drafted by Anthony, simply signed by the followers...(Willner?!)
Hey, you forgot about me and my amazing run with the #1 jersey.
nothing to see here.
Absolutely. And I think if Rich doesn't want to get in the middle of it, why not let the captains decide? Aside from the head coach, I think they're the only other people who should make that call, since they're the ones who are actually seeing everything day-in and day-out.
Most major donations come with strings attached. Braylon controlling the #1 jersey would be a strange string, but major donors can put strings on the donation, beyond this money should be used for a scholarship for x or x building (The U does exert discretion about what strings they will accept).
It seems like he is waiting for Braylon to tell him who deserves it. He's said in the past that he's not touching that subject because it got him in trouble before.
to get some former players involved by letting them vote for a player to have the #1 jersey, along with the coaches and current players. Then mix in a little Baseball Hall of Fame voting structure where a player would need to get a certain percentage to be given the #1 jersey that year. So if no player was given over lets say 60% of the vote then the #1 jersey would be left vacated until the next year.
That's a pretty good idea actually. Also gives him a little positive PR with the player alums.
This seems like a ridiculously complicated case for choosing a . . . jersey number.
Yeesh. It really doesn't need to be that big of a deal. The coaches, Braylon, and maybe the AD should be involved. That's about it.
If the decision requires the involvement of the coach AND the Athletic Director AND an alumnus who endowed a scholarship, it's sort of silly to say that it's not "that big of a deal."
Perhaps I should have italicized "that."
It is a big deal.
It's just not THAT big of a deal to involve a huge panel of former and current players, the voting process of the Hall of Fame, etc. Seriously, 60% of the votes should be required to give the kid the #1 jersey? That's just bordering on ridiculous...
I look at it as a terrible use of the English language.
Seriously? He grew up in a hollow in West Virginia. He doesn't need to impress people with the way he talks, he's a football coach.
I think he will wait for a "Michigan Man" to give him a suggestion as to who he should bestow the #1 jersey. Or he will wait until the public is crying out for him to give it to a particular player. He doesn't want to mess with the tradition again because he gets attacked any time he touches the tradition.
Didn't Braylon and the other #1 guys have average games as well?
Braylon definitely had at least a couple of "average" games his sophomore year--see chart below. I think a case can be made for Roundtree based on his record-setting performance against Illinois and career totals of 77 receptions for 1,090 yards and 7 TDs. He also already has five career 100-yard games, which is good for a tie for ninth place in Michigan history.
The 100-yard game leaders are:
- Braylon --17
- Anthony Carter -- 14
- Mario Manningham -- 11
- David Terrell and Marquise Walker -- 9
- Desmond Howard, Tai Streets, and Amani Toomer -- 8
- Mercury Hayes, Marcus Knight, and Roundtree -- 5
- Junior Hemingway + 4 others -- 4
|Career Receiving for Braylon Edwards|
|2002||at Notre Dame||4||95||23.8||0||38|
|2002||at Ohio State||10||107||10.7||0||15|
the DB. It slowed the mo.
The dude had two 75-yard catches in one game, and you're knocking him for getting caught the second time?
Pardon me if I don't factor that into whether I think he should have the #1 jersey or not. The dude has three 75+ yard catches in approximately one season's worth of games (since he didn't play significantly until the end of the 2009 season).
Do you know how many catches of 75 yards or more Braylon Edwards had in his career?
Zero. That's right, zero. None.
This is a good point about the 75+ yard catches.
It's also interesting to note that despite not playing significantly until the latter games of last season, Roundtree still led the team in receptions and reception yards. He leads in those categories again this year, and he thus has a chance to become the first player in Michigan history to lead the team in receptions and reception yards for four years. No one has ever led the team in either of those categories for four years--let alone both.
Yeah, in approximately a season's worth of games, he has 77 catches and about 1,100 yards, IIRC.
CoachRod does a good job of encouraging the right attitude toward accomplishments. Notice that instead of saying that the best players on the team like Molk and Martin played "well," he says "consistent." A coach's job is to alway motivate players, even the best ones, to play even better. Language is a big factor in communicating that you can always be better.
On the flip side, a coach doesn't want to create lofty expectations that a player cannot achieve. It may sound like an excuse for poor performance, but CoachRod has said that the secondary is young and even when Denard has been playing well, CoachRod would point out it's Denard's first year as a starter. This kind of expectation management allows the player to fail without their confidence being shattered.
So what does this have to do with the #1 jersey? All of the above. The #1 jersey has the potential of allowing a receiver to think he has made it to the top and thus limit his motivation. It also has the potential of creating lofty expectations for a receiver only to come crashing down.
This type of tradition where a number is bestowed on a player is rare because it makes coaching another degree more complex. I expect this tradition to be rarely used under CoachRod, which begs the question if this is even a tradition if tradition is supposed to be a recurring act or event?
If Roundtree reaches the 1000 yard mark this year: 1,000 - 656 = 344 yards in 4 games, I think he should get it. Braylon had over 1000 yards and 10 touchdowns his So. year before he "earned it."
If Roundtree breaks the 1,000 yard mark, there can be no complaints that it is being overused. It would be tough, but its do-able.
But the easy-play drops wasn't just sophomore Braylon. That was junior Braylon, senior Braylon, and now NFL Braylon, too. Not a horrible quality for a WR to have when matched with his ability to make the big plays, of course. It's just good to keep that perspective as Tree keeps making big plays while dropping some gimme plays.
However and whenever the #1 jersey is next awarded, it should remain a useful tool in recruiting. I remember when Stonum committed, he made a point of saying how he wanted to come to Michigan and earn the #1 jersey.
Rosenberg is currently writing an article about how Roundtree wants the #1 and RR won't let him have it. RR is definitely not promoting an atmosphere of compliance to the Michigan wide receiver tradition.
Holy crap, this meme is starting to get really stale.
Rosenberg is writing an article about how MGoBlog user "david from wyoming" has failed to promote an atmosphere of universal good-will among MGoReaders by getting down on the meme about Rosenberg's articles criticizing the Rich Rodriguez era when some people still find it funny and original, which MGoBlog user "david from wyoming" might appreciate if he had taken the time to consider that some MGoReaders never saw an outlet for the hatred for Rosenberg that they never knew they had before coming across this meme on the MGoBoards.
Who/what is Rosenberg? Never heard of him, sounds like a real turd-burglar though.
I for one like it better when the jersey is worn, and think after that and prior performances Roy deserves it.
If #1 goes to Roundtree, I'm happy for him. He's worked his tail off, he's been force-fed that GNC weight-gain crap like his liver is being primed for pate and added almost 20% to his body weight since he showed up as a 155-lb. stick figure. He's consistently the most productive receiver despite being way down the rankings of athletes on his own team. NFL scouts will brush by him with an "outta my way, kid" on their way to measure Stonum's shuttle run in a couple years.
Oh, and he has that Donald Duck voice down pat. Awesome. But....
Roundtree is the beneficiary of wide-open post routes where safeties have seen Denard take a step in any direction with the ball and suddenly gone all Memento-like on deep zone responsibility, until they see the tat on their forearm that says "Deep Middle" and scramble back so they can catch up to Tree inside the 5.
Personally, to me, #1 isn't so much about productivity or leading the team in catches or being Big 10 player of the week or whatnot. Wearing #1 is about big plays in clutch situations, and not just the numbers, but the style points. It's about the balls you catch when you're not wide open. When you're not open at all. When the dude has perfect coverage and you jump over, around, through him. When you juke 3 dudes out of their jockstraps when you're boxed into the sideline and make a ridiculous TD out of it.
#12 is about productivity right now. Our #1 should be about performance art.
To me, that guy is Hemingway. The jump balls vs. Indiana and Iowa. The juggles. The Houdini act on the sidelines. The memories I have of AC (vague, until Wolverine Historian came along on You Tube) are of the impossible plays, not the wide open catch and runs. AC vs. Indiana to the Ufer soundtrack. Derrick Alexander on the reverse vs. Houston. Braylon's abuse of MSU. Terrell on the Wisconsin jump ball and the Orange Bowl. That's #1 material. That's art.
Hemingway is the guy who made the 2008 "Sometimes When You're On" vid turn to color. Sounds like a #1 kinda guy to me.
That's incorrect you know... Roundtree was productive last year with Forcier as QB, and was also productive even after Denard left with injuries.
Come on man...he wrote the shit out of the comment. You may not agree with his case for Junior, but at least give him some props for making it well.
I think of the #1 receiver as being a dominant guy in traffic -- the guy that you can always throw the ball to, even in traffic, and know he will come down with it. I wouldn't be opposed to Roundtree getting it, but to me #1 is about being a dominant receiver in traffic.
Roundtree, no question. I don't think he'll get it this year, but here's the case for 2012:
1.) 3 year starter returning for senior season.
2.) Will undoubtedly be the best WR after Stonum, Grady, Hemingway, Odoms leave.
3.) 2011 will be the year Denard shines and our O goes to top 5 in the nation. Roundtree will gain close to 1,000 yards.
4.) 2012 will be the year Denard shines (more??) and our O goes to #1 in the nation and we WIN THE NC!!!!
5.) After that Watkins and Arnett can battle for it.
Can I get an AMEN!
Amen Brother !
should get it right now or next year. Leave it to next year to decide who "that guy" is. Personally I love Roundtree, everything he embodies but he is a piece not "that guy"..If Jr Hemingway can stay healthy, I believe he would of been the next WR to actually be that guy. I think with his size and skill, he is someone that defenses will begin to fear...I just dont get that feeling from Roundtree in the slot. Just my opinion though..then again I dont think we should be worried about jersey numbers while we need to be focusing on W's!!
Maybe Rodriguez actually means that he IS touching a jersey thing
#1 Jersey to Stonum or Hemingway. I want Stonum to get it the most. Watching him run that reverse. I think sometimes in this offense he gets overlooked. Junior is the play-maker. D Stonum though is the real deal! Without a doubt 'Tree is real good. Good that he is adding more weight. I would like Braylon come out and give it to Stonum first. Just saying.
I think it should be given to the SENIOR receiver who has excelled both on and off the field. If there isn't one, then it should be shelved.
Personally, I like it when players can wear the jersey for more than one year at a time. I could see reserving it for upperclassmen, but senior year alone is a bit restrictive.
I just took RR's comment to mean that next year's jersey numbers are not on his mind right now.
I love Roy (in a totally uber-hetero way.. See the avatar?... Am I trying too hard?)...The kid's awesome on and off the field.
The problem is...
It appears we have at least 3 guys at the moment who are potentially "that guy".
In my view Braylon Edwards ruined it for everybody by opening his big fat yapper, thinking his perspective of traditions at Michigan mattered most. What a disgrace, from a guy that wore No. 80 in the first place.
Well, his view didn't matter. And it doesn't.
Willner, Carter, McMurtry, Alexander and Butterfield all received their No. 1's without going into a coach's dog house and "earning" it.
After Braylon's classic "throwing his dolly out of the pram" and surprising agreement of many UM fans, hell, I don't blame RR one bit for not touching that so called "UM Tradition!" with a barge pole.
If it has to be a WR, then Roundtree probably "deserves" it. Sounds like he wants it too.
It's got to be a great motivator, sure, at least until one of the receivers "receives" it. But then what? I guess Braylon never thought about the rest of the receivers....
I sent Braylon an @ message on Twitter lobbying for Roy Roundtree for the #1. He's a clutch player and still has 2 years left. He's only going to get better!