Home
i'm an actor, not a reactor

Primary links

  • About
    • $upport (lol)
    • Ethics
    • FAQ
    • Glossary
    • Privacy Policy
  • Contact
  • MGoStore
    • Hail to Old Blue
  • MGoBoard
    • MGoBoard FAQ
    • Michigan bar locator
    • Moderator Action Sticky
  • Useful Stuff
    • Depth Chart By Class
    • Hoops Depth Chart by Class
    • 2017 Recruiting Board
    • Unofficial Two Deep
    • MGoFlickr
    • Diaries, Windows Live Writer, And You
    • User-Curated HOF
    • Where To Eat In Ann Arbor
  • Schedule/Tix
    • Future Schedules (wiki)
    • Ticket spreadsheet
Home Forums MGoBoard

Navigation

  • Forums
  • Recent posts

User login

  • Create new account
  • Request new password

MGoElsewhere

  • @MGoBlog (Brian)
  • @aceanbender
  • @Misopogon (Seth)
  • @Aeschnepp (Adam)
  • @BISB
  • @EUpchurchPhoto
  • @FullOfTwitt (Fuller)
  • Hail to the Victors 2016
  • MGoFacebook
  • MGoPodcast
  • WTKA
  • Instagram

Michigan Blogs

  • Big House Blog
  • Burgeoning Wolverine Star
  • Genuinely Sarcastic
  • Go Blue Michigan Wolverine
  • Holdin' The Rope
  • MVictors
  • Maize 'n' Blue Nation
  • Maize 'n' Brew
  • Maize And Go Blue
  • Michigan Hockey Net
  • MMMGoBlueBBQ
  • The Blog That Yost Built
  • The Hoover Street Rag
  • The M Zone
  • Touch The Banner
  • UMGoBlog
  • UMHoops
  • UMTailgate
  • Wolverine Liberation Army

M On The Net

  • mgovideo
  • MGoBlue.com
  • Mike DeSimone
  • Recruiting Planet
  • The Wolverine
  • Go Blue Wolverine
  • Winged Helmet
  • UMGoBlue.com
  • MaizeRage.org
  • Puckhead
  • The M Den
  • True Blue Fan Forum

Big Ten Blogs

  • Illinois
    • Illinois Loyalty
    • Illinois Baseball Report
  • Indiana
    • Inside The Hall
    • The Crimson Quarry
  • Iowa
    • Black Heart, Gold Pants
    • Fight For Iowa
  • Michigan State
    • The Only Colors
  • Minnesota
    • GopherHole.com
    • The Daily Gopher
  • Nebraska
    • Corn Nation
    • Husker Max
    • Husker Mike's Blasphemy
    • Husker Gameday
  • Northwestern
    • Sippin' On Purple
    • Lake The Posts
  • Notre Dame
    • The House Rock Built
    • One Foot Down
  • Ohio State
    • Eleven Warriors
    • Buckeye Commentary
    • Men of the Scarlet and Gray
    • Our Honor Defend
    • The Buckeye Nine
  • Penn State
    • Slow States
    • Black Shoe Diaries
    • Happy Valley Hardball
    • Penn State Clips
    • Linebacker U
    • Nittany White Out
  • Purdue
    • Boiled Sports
    • Hammer and Rails
  • Wisconsin
    • Bruce Ciskie

Links of Note

  • Baseball
    • College Baseball Today
    • The College Baseball Blog
  • Basketball
    • Ken Pomeroy
    • Hoop Math
    • John Gasaway
    • Luke Winn/Sports Illustrated
  • College Hockey
    • Chris Heisenberg (Class of 2016)
    • College Hockey Stats
    • Michigan College Hockey
    • Hockey's Future
    • Sioux Sports
    • USCHO
  • Football
    • Smart Football
    • Every Day Should Be Saturday
    • Matt Hinton/Grantland
    • Football Study Hall
    • Football Outsiders
    • Harold Stassen
    • NCAA D-I Stats Page
    • The Wizard Of Odds
    • CFB Stats
  • General
    • Sports Central
  • Local Interest
    • The Ann Arbor Chronicle
    • Arborwiki
    • Arbor Update
    • Ann Arbor Observer
    • Teeter Talk
    • Vacuum
  • Teams Of The D
    • Lions
      • Pride of Detroit
    • Pistons
      • Detroit Bad Boys
      • Need4Sheed
    • Tigers
      • Roar Of The Tigers
      • Bless You Boys
      • The Daily Fungo
      • The Detroit Tigers Weblog
    • Red Wings
      • Winging It In Motown
      • On The Wings
    • Michigan Sports Forum

Beveled Guilt

Site Search

Diaries

  • New
  • Popular
  • Hot
  • This Month in MGoBlog History - April 2008: No Spring Game at the Big House! Hockey loses to ND in the Frozen Four!
    Maize.Blue Wagner - 4 days ago
  • Thirteen unlucky minutes (TL;DNR-This is a bit of rant about the refs)
    docwhoblocked - 3 weeks ago
  • Fan Satisfaction Index End of Season Bball Survey
    OneFootIn - 3 weeks ago
  • How likely are we to revert to the mean?
    Bo Glue - 3 weeks ago
  • It's time to avenge Villanova's 1985 NCAA tourney upset over Michigan
    Communist Football - 3 weeks ago
  •  
  • 1 of 2
  • ››
more
  • This Month in MGoBlog History - April 2008: No Spring Game at the Big House! Hockey loses to ND in the Frozen Four!
    Maize.Blue Wagner - 1,489 views
  • 14 Months Ago: The Fire Beilein Threads.
    stephenrjking - 237 comments
  • This Month in MGoBlog History - April 2008: No Spring Game at the Big House! Hockey loses to ND in the Frozen Four!
    Maize.Blue Wagner - 9 comments

MGoBoard

  • New
  • Recent
  • Hot
  • Dantonio: players will decide if Reschke can rejoin the team
    18 replies
  • Brandon Wimbush Highlights in Notre Dame Spring Game
    12 replies
  • OT: Archer Danger Island
    18 replies
  • OT: Golden State Killer suspect arrested in California
    27 replies
  • SIAP: U of M Dearborn Bball Team Needs the Money Cannon!
    5 replies
  • Ibi Watson to Dayton.
    43 replies
  • NFL Draft Eve Debate
    81 replies
  • Scrimmage Observations
    118 replies
  • Quote from Nebraska A.D.
    89 replies
  • PSA: 2018 FOOTBALL SEASON TICKET UPGRADES
    9 replies
  • More MSU takes. From USA Today
    64 replies
  • OT: National Park Week; What's Your Favorite?
    172 replies
  • New Q&A with Cam McGrone, video
    3 replies
  • Rice Commission recommendations to be released today
    77 replies
  • MBB: Wake Forest grad transfer PG Keyshawn Woods commits to OSU
    21 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 6
  • ››
  • OT: National Park Week; What's Your Favorite?
    172 replies
  • Dantonio: players will decide if Reschke can rejoin the team
    18 replies
  • Brandon Wimbush Highlights in Notre Dame Spring Game
    12 replies
  • OT: Golden State Killer suspect arrested in California
    27 replies
  • NFL Draft Eve Debate
    81 replies
  • Ibi Watson to Dayton.
    43 replies
  • Scrimmage Observations
    118 replies
  • OT: Archer Danger Island
    18 replies
  • More MSU takes. From USA Today
    64 replies
  • Quote from Nebraska A.D.
    89 replies
  • Harmoniously OT: UM Men's Glee Club in AZ
    18 replies
  • PSA: 2018 FOOTBALL SEASON TICKET UPGRADES
    9 replies
  • SIAP: U of M Dearborn Bball Team Needs the Money Cannon!
    5 replies
  • MBB: Wake Forest grad transfer PG Keyshawn Woods commits to OSU
    21 replies
  • Hello? Boring Tuesday POSbang Happy Hour Thread
    117 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 6
  • ››
  • OT: National Park Week; What's Your Favorite?
    172 replies
  • The Evolution of Commerce - What Industries are Dying, What's Thriving?
    148 replies
  • Pep Hamilton on Shea: Can extend the play, make all the throws, plus other QB's
    129 replies
  • In-state recruiting rankings update
    125 replies
  • OT - Jalen Hurts possibly looking to transfer
    121 replies
  • Notre Dame Spring Game: analysis from M n B, video
    119 replies
  • Scrimmage Observations
    118 replies
  • Hello? Boring Tuesday POSbang Happy Hour Thread
    117 replies
  • Nebraska football
    105 replies
  • OT: Map of college stadiums that sell alcohol
    96 replies
  • Karsen Barnhart - did we cool on him?
    92 replies
  • OT: College Football video games coming back
    90 replies
  • UCF Knights unveil 2017 championship banner
    89 replies
  • Quote from Nebraska A.D.
    89 replies
  • Michigan Vs Notre Dame in 131 days
    83 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 6
  • ››

Support MGoBlog: buy stuff at Amazon

The '05 Michigan-Penn State "conspiracy"

68 posts / 0 new
Login or register to post comments
Last post
August 19th, 2012 at 12:43 AM
#1
shorts
Joined: 08/28/2008
MGoPoints: 2407
The '05 Michigan-Penn State "conspiracy"

Thought the board would get a kick out of this: According to an except from the about-to-be-released Paterno book, the BSD conspiracy theorists who are still outraged over the ending of the '05 Michigan-Penn State game had some company from their favorite coach (link):

“Following PSU’s controversial 27-25 last-second loss at Michigan in 2005, the Lions’ only blemish on an 11-1 season, Paterno was furious that officials put a few seconds back on the clock, possibly allowing Wolverines QB Chad Henne enough time to throw the game-winning TD pass on the final play. According to Posnanski, Paterno told friends he was considering pulling the Lions out of the Big Ten as a result.”

It was all the Big Ten's fault, apparently. Or Michigan's fault. Or something.

Either way, the delusion wasn't limited to fans. Too bad Paterno didn't follow through with that threat.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
Tags:
  • MGoBoard

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
August 19th, 2012 at 12:53 AM
#2
MichGoBlue858
MichGoBlue858's picture
Joined: 11/20/2010
MGoPoints: 1889
According to Posnanski,

According to Posnanski, Paterno told friends he was considering pulling the Lions out of the Big Ten as a result.

Would have been potentially the biggest overreaction of all time. 

 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 12:55 AM
#3
Eve_of_TheRivalry
Eve_of_TheRivalry's picture
Joined: 11/17/2011
MGoPoints: 136
The man was a competitor,

The man was a competitor, which leads to overreacting sometimes...The greatest competitor of them all: Bo

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 12:56 AM
#4
Chester Cheetah
Chester Cheetah's picture
Joined: 07/01/2009
MGoPoints: 2147
but he didnt. so shut up.

but he didnt. so shut up.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 12:56 AM
#5
Cope
Joined: 10/07/2010
MGoPoints: 2274
Almost

Seems ironic in perspective of all Penn State fans have said and done in the last few months. Certainly emblematic.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 1:05 AM
#6
RayIsaac91
Joined: 06/25/2009
MGoPoints: -372
Never

Never let the WR get inside at the goal line.

Touchdown. Manningham.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 1:06 AM
#7
BlueDragon
BlueDragon's picture
Joined: 11/14/2010
MGoPoints: 21718
Could he even do such a thing?

Or is this just bluster and paranoia on the part of Paterno?

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 1:09 AM
(Reply to #7) #8
shorts
Joined: 08/28/2008
MGoPoints: 2407
Good point

Paterno was pretty powerful but probably didn't have the authority to just say, "THAT'S IT, WE'RE OUTTA HERE" considering the impact that would have on the school and athletic department (especially in terms of revenue) as a whole.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 12:53 PM
(Reply to #8) #9
SysMark
SysMark's picture
Joined: 11/15/2008
MGoPoints: 13936
Given what we now

Given what we now know...yeah at that time he may have had that power...

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 2:13 PM
(Reply to #21) #10
Elmer
Elmer's picture
Joined: 04/22/2011
MGoPoints: 5141
...or he at least thought he

...or he at least thought he had enough power.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 1:17 AM
#11
Ball Hawk
Joined: 11/28/2011
MGoPoints: 206
Maybe instead of blaming the

Maybe instead of blaming the officials, why dont he blame his corner for playing shitty coverage on #86.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 1:37 AM
(Reply to #9) #12
Cheesecake Wizard
Joined: 10/30/2011
MGoPoints: 339
Or Be a Man

And put the blame on himself for not coaching his cornerback to cover #86

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 11:59 AM
(Reply to #9) #13
HermosaBlue
HermosaBlue's picture
Joined: 08/05/2008
MGoPoints: 5001
Everyone forgets (Paterno

Everyone forgets (Paterno included) that Paterno also argued for, and received, two seconds added back on Penn State's last drive.

PSU conspiracy theorists conveniently leave that part out. 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 1:22 AM
#14
xxxxNateDaGreat
xxxxNateDaGreat's picture
Joined: 11/28/2011
MGoPoints: 2930
Hm. Another thing that

Hm. Another thing that Paterno didn't follow through with.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 1:26 AM
#15
Lionsfan
Lionsfan's picture
Joined: 06/03/2011
MGoPoints: 1962
Didn't he lobby for 2 seconds

Didn't he lobby for 2 seconds to be put on the clock during their last drive?

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 1:27 AM
(Reply to #11) #16
enlightenedbum
enlightenedbum's picture
Joined: 06/06/2009
MGoPoints: 19822
Yuuuuuuuuup.  This has always

Yuuuuuuuuup.  This has always driven me nuts about their whininess in relation to that game.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 1:33 AM
#17
WolverineHistorian
WolverineHistorian's picture
Joined: 08/10/2009
MGoPoints: 29586
I guess this is further proof

I guess this is further proof that JoePa had gone senile long before the rest of the world took notice. 

Paterno argued AND got time back on the clock before Penn State's last touchdown in that exact same game.  (I was there.  I saw the whole thing in person).  The ref gave him 2 seconds back.

Lloyd later argued to get time back on the clock with about 30 seconds left.  Watch the tape and you'll see that we should have got at least 3 seconds back.  But the ref gave Lloyd 1.  Just enough for PSU nation to come back and cry later.

Why was it O.K. for JoePa to do it but not for Lloyd to do the exact same thing?

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 1:33 AM
(Reply to #13) #18
JClay
JClay's picture
Joined: 09/14/2010
MGoPoints: 13751
Wellllllll Lloyd wasn't

Wellllllll Lloyd wasn't raping kids so did he really ____deserve____ an extra :02???

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 1:45 AM
(Reply to #14) #19
Away Goal
Away Goal's picture
Joined: 08/19/2009
MGoPoints: 288
oh my

I laugh because I'm drunk

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 2:34 AM
(Reply to #17) #20
Urban Warfare
Urban Warfare's picture
Joined: 09/28/2010
MGoPoints: 1691
For some reason, I read that

For some reason, I read that in George Takei's voice. 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 3:10 AM
(Reply to #13) #21
MattisonMan
MattisonMan's picture
Joined: 01/29/2010
MGoPoints: 7675
I was at that game.  I

I was at that game.  I vividly remember Lloyd arguing for the extra seconds and thinking, 'just play, it's not like we're going to win it with 2 extra seconds'.  In my defense, it had been a pretty boring game up to that point - the halftime score was 3-0.  

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 6:41 AM
(Reply to #23) #22
PM
Joined: 11/23/2008
MGoPoints: 988
+1

I was at the game as well and distinctly remember thinking the same thing.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 11:59 AM
(Reply to #23) #23
snarling wolverine
snarling wolverine's picture
Joined: 12/14/2011
MGoPoints: 43028
You didn't think it was a big

You didn't think it was a big deal the clock ticked down from 33 to 28 seconds while we were trying to call timeout, in a game we trailed by four points?

Are you sure you're remembering the right game?  The first half of that game was indeed pretty dull, but the second half was wild.  

 

 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 1:42 AM
#24
Cheesecake Wizard
Joined: 10/30/2011
MGoPoints: 339
Note About That Game:

I somehow ended up with front row tickets, right in the endzone (We had tickets in the section, students had fall break, and that year a small student section was started in that endzone, so it was easy to sneak down).

I remember watching as Manningham caught the ball 15 feet in front of me.  That day, I entered the stadium a big Michigan fan, and left absolutely fanatical, and I still am.

I know, I know...cool story bro

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 1:49 AM
(Reply to #16) #25
WolverineHistorian
WolverineHistorian's picture
Joined: 08/10/2009
MGoPoints: 29586
I was in the other end zone. 

I was in the other end zone.  Had to watch the crowd reaction to know whether Manningham had caught the ball.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 10:02 AM
(Reply to #16) #26
kmd
Joined: 04/09/2009
MGoPoints: 227
My tickets were in the small

My tickets were in the small student section behind the goalposts in that endzone.

 

That was the one game I decided to sit with friends in the main student section.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 12:02 PM
(Reply to #16) #27
jmblue
Joined: 11/07/2008
MGoPoints: 56299
You couldn't have been in the

You couldn't have been in the student section if it happened right in front of you, because the game-winning TD took place in the south endzone.

 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 12:13 PM
(Reply to #50) #28
OMG Shirtless
OMG Shirtless's picture
Joined: 08/16/2009
MGoPoints: 1732
He's talking about the

He's talking about the overflow student section which was put in the opposite end zone from the regular student section.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 1:51 AM
#29
shorts
Joined: 08/28/2008
MGoPoints: 2407
Gratuitous video

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 20th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
(Reply to #19) #30
hailhail97
hailhail97's picture
Joined: 08/21/2009
MGoPoints: 665
Dave Brandon?

Is that Dave Brandon hugging Lloyd at the 10:44 mark?

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 1:51 AM
#31
The Barwis Effect
The Barwis Effect's picture
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 8735
OK...

So, here's a guy who felt like he had the power to unilaterally pull Penn State out of the Big Ten over some perceived injustice in a football game, but when it came to stopping a former member of his staff from raping children, he was helpless to do anything about it outside of reporting it to his "superiors."



Now that's a man who had his priorities in order.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 9:09 AM
(Reply to #20) #32
maizenbluenc
maizenbluenc's picture
Joined: 07/21/2009
MGoPoints: 7931
This is why I think there has to be more to the story

At first, I could see a old feeble Joe Pa, not really able to grasp what McQuery saw in the showers, and not sure what the right legal proceedure handing it off to the AD.

But now it seems Joe may have known about 1998 (based on the Freeh report - even though we don't know the specifics, and the DA dropped the case).

Perhaps it was just CYA, but it would have been manageable from a PR standpoint for PSU to come out and say he was reported to the authorities and investigated in 1998 and the case was dropped.

So mayby I have a tinfoil hat, but it sure seems to me that Sandusky had to have some sort of leverage over Joe, the AD, and the finance guy (who also headed campus poiice).

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 6:02 AM
#33
leonidas
Joined: 08/03/2012
MGoPoints: 22
The 2005 Penn State Game

was the game that got me into football, i still remember it like it was yesterday. Lloyd Carr pulled a great move in that game though to get the two seconds back, JoePa was just bitter. It established Chad Henne to Mario Manningham, the only qb-reciever combo of that level I've seen for Michigan. Heres hoping Shane Morris and Darboh or Treadwell changes that. I was excited about switching to such a running quarterback, but the beauty of an excellent passing game has been lost.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 10:38 AM
(Reply to #25) #34
WestQuad
WestQuad's picture
Joined: 07/22/2011
MGoPoints: 5575
Lots of great QB-Reciever combos

I can't list them all out because it all blends to gether over time, but since I can remember Michigan has always had an awesome QB-Reciever combo. (with the exception of a three-year period I don't talk about.)

Wangler-Anthony Carter

Grbac-Desmond Howard

Grbac-Derrick Alexander

Collins-Derrick Alexander

Collins-Toomer

Griese/Brady-Streets

Brady-David Terrell

Navarre-Braylon Edwards

Navarre-Jason Avant   

 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 12:28 PM
(Reply to #45) #35
leonidas
Joined: 08/03/2012
MGoPoints: 22
I said

the only one I saw. I came in right after the Braylon Edwards era. 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 3:19 PM
(Reply to #45) #36
stephenrjking
stephenrjking's picture
Joined: 03/15/2012
MGoPoints: 20051380
We remember the year poorly,

We remember the year poorly, but in 2001 Navarre-to-Marquise Walker was, I believe, the most productive combination in a single year in Michigan history. Walker caught 86 passes, three times as many as any other Wolverine that season.

Henson's combination with Terrell was even better than Brady's, too.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 12:12 PM
(Reply to #25) #37
jmblue
Joined: 11/07/2008
MGoPoints: 56299
Lloyd Carr pulled a great

Lloyd Carr pulled a great move in that game though to get the two seconds back,

Carr really didn't do anything out of the ordinary there. Coaches ask for time to be put on the clock all the time in last-minute situations, because there's always a lag in reaction from the official signaling a timeout to the timekeeper. PSU did the exact same thing on their final drive. The only reason this is even remembered is because PSU was absolutely desperate to beat us (they hadn't done so since 1996) and it absolutely killed them to lose on the final play, when they thought they'd finally ended the streak.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 6:23 AM
#38
TSWC
TSWC's picture
Joined: 09/08/2009
MGoPoints: 764
Two comments

Pretty sure they didn't have an 11-1 season. I think it was officially 0-12.



Who's this conspiracy include? The Big Ten? If so, how was Michigan winning that game better for the conference? It cost the conference a Championship game team.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 7:28 AM
(Reply to #26) #39
DrunkOnHiggins
DrunkOnHiggins's picture
Joined: 06/16/2011
MGoPoints: 2330
Haha, good point. Yeah

Haha, good point. Yeah Paterno is just a joke to me now. The whole PSU situation is a disaster. Never thought I would ever see a giant like PSU crumble. I doubt we ever see a story like this ever again.

Time for my cool story. I remember sitting there with remote in hand and finger on "off" button waiting to mourn our loss. And to my surprise....TOUCHDOWN MANNINGHAM!

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 8:25 AM
(Reply to #26) #40
Drew Sharp
Joined: 10/04/2011
MGoPoints: 366
maybe just semantics

But the wins don't become losses. As it turns out, Michigan will be the only game Penn State played in 2005. Their record that year was 0-1, not 0-12.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 7:19 AM
#41
Half Blood Dutc...
Half Blood Dutch Prince's picture
Joined: 12/03/2011
MGoPoints: 1743
All I have to say on this topic:

MARIO MANNINGHAM!

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 7:23 AM
#42
UMgradMSUdad
UMgradMSUdad's picture
Joined: 07/02/2011
MGoPoints: 9518
In situations like the end of

In situations like the end of that game, with ball, little time left, behind by less than a td, and timeouts to burn, Carr would have certainly relayed to the refs that if the clock doesn't stop at the end of the play, he wanted an immediate timeout. Nothing unusual about that at all. For all the great success Michigan has had through the years, 0ne of, if not the main reason OSU and PSU fans hate Michigan is because even when we've not had the best years, we've spoiled their seasons when they were otherwise undefeated.  Of course some of the fans are delusional about conspiracies against their team.  It's sad when the coach is the head delusionist.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 7:56 AM
#43
mooseman
Joined: 07/10/2008
MGoPoints: 1802
My wife almost pulled out of our marriage over that one.

I was supposed to meet her for dinner and I was listening to it on the car radio. She sat in the restaurant for me just a little too long. Worth it.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 9:13 AM
(Reply to #31) #44
maizenbluenc
maizenbluenc's picture
Joined: 07/21/2009
MGoPoints: 7931
Good move

set the precendent early so she can't claim later she didn't know what she was getting into.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 8:08 AM
#45
LSAClassOf2000
LSAClassOf2000's picture
Joined: 01/07/2011
MGoPoints: 81411
Not Shocking At All...

Given the way the supposed management at Penn State stacked up, since Paterno had a say in the hire of his own former superior in the athletic department, and indeed, serve as the director himself while coaching football back in the 1980s for a time, then I wouldn't have been shocked that, if he really had wanted to do it, he could have pulled Penn State somehow, or convinced the school it was a good idea. After all, they listen to him apparently now that he is dead. 

Having said that, I am pretty sure these are the words of the competitive side of Joe Paterno. He must have wanted to eject State College from the face of the Earth in 2003 when they only beat Temple, Kent State and Indiana (and now, of course, only unofficially  - it's a sad day when you have to vacate wins against these fine football programs). Again, in retrospect, it's a shame that didn't happen. 

Like others, I was at the 2005 game, within sight distance of Manningham's catch. If Paterno wanted to leave the conference at that moment, I wouldn't have given a you-know-what. I was too busy cheering. 

 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 8:34 AM
(Reply to #32) #46
Mich4Life
Mich4Life's picture
Joined: 04/15/2009
MGoPoints: 209
First mich fb game

Qualifier: while visiting my brother and having a true Michigan football fall Saturday in Ann Arbor.



Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 8:09 AM
#47
Michigan Arrogance
Michigan Arrogance's picture
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 15317
WE ARE taking our balls and

WE ARE

taking our balls and going HOME!

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 9:01 AM
#48
fh maven
Joined: 08/19/2012
MGoPoints: 191
More than 2 seconds should have been added ...

Recalling the play, a UM player went out of bounds and the clock continued to run - 5 or 6 seconds should have been added, not just 2! 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 10:10 AM
(Reply to #34) #49
snarling wolverine
snarling wolverine's picture
Joined: 12/14/2011
MGoPoints: 43028
I don't think the player went

I don't think the player went out of bounds, but we signaled for a timeout right when the play ended and the clock kept on ticking anyway.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 8:44 AM
#50
Bronco Joe
Bronco Joe's picture
Joined: 12/06/2009
MGoPoints: 1154
Classy PSU Kids and Great Crowd

That year I had "roving" season tickets, with tickets to all the games except Minnesota for Homecoming but always in different seats. We had four kids from PSU sitting right in front of my son and me and they were really good sports. Not sure if my recollection is completely correct, but I thought when PSU went ahead on their TD at the end of the game they had been trailing most, if not all, of the game to that point. Even though they had sat there the entire game and listened to us cheering, they didn't go overboard in celebrating or trash talk anyone. Then, when UM won, they shook a lot of hands and congratulated a lot of UM fans on a great win as they tried to make their way out. Good kids.

It was also the first time I went to a game and the stadium stayed full for so long after the game was over. I think the next time I experienced something like that was the ND game under the lights last year. 

That was a terrific game - would love to see it on BTN again. 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 20th, 2012 at 3:26 PM
(Reply to #37) #51
Thomas32
Thomas32's picture
Joined: 09/26/2010
MGoPoints: 5
Or you could go to YouTube

Or you could go to YouTube right now and watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ9LYJABcrk 

 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 9:11 AM
#52
Smash Lampjaw
Smash Lampjaw's picture
Joined: 11/10/2011
MGoPoints: 2025
What surprised me the most

in that game was how Mr. Disciplinarian allowed Michael Robinson to gesticulate in front of the crowd. My first clue that JoePa was not all that he was reputed to be.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 9:43 AM
#53
lhglrkwg
lhglrkwg's picture
Joined: 07/03/2008
MGoPoints: 27723
When the chief of penn state

When the chief of penn state is that delusional, it's easy to see why the whole collective fan base / BSD is that delusional too

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 10:08 AM
#54
snarling wolverine
snarling wolverine's picture
Joined: 12/14/2011
MGoPoints: 43028
This whole "controversy" has

This whole "controversy" has always been ridiculous.  If you watch it again, Carr is clearly signaling for a timeout for 3-4 seconds before the timekeeper stops the clock.  If anyone got jobbed, it was us, because they only put two seconds back on.

 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 11:14 AM
#55
Tkriz
Joined: 01/09/2011
MGoPoints: 4706
Manningham TD

Manningham TD was actually in the end zone opposite the student section.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 12:07 PM
(Reply to #46) #56
Jon06
Jon06's picture
Joined: 09/19/2009
MGoPoints: 9457
judging from earlier comments

this must've been one of the years that there was additional student seating (mostly for freshman, IIRC) on the other end of the stadium, where manningham caught the ball. i do remember watching him catch it all the way at the other end from the student section's usual location in the northwest corner.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 11:58 AM
#57
Harperbole
Harperbole's picture
Joined: 06/22/2012
MGoPoints: 233
Understanable

Sure it's always annoying when people make excuses for losses, but I can appreciate the significance of this particular loss. If not for that game PSU is playing for a MNC and an undefeated season. It's not surprising a coach would react poorly to such a big loss. As far as the pulling out of the B1G goes I'd remind everyone that this writer is trying sell books, exaggeration is likely.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 12:51 PM
(Reply to #47) #58
WolverineHistorian
WolverineHistorian's picture
Joined: 08/10/2009
MGoPoints: 29586
If Penn State wins that game

If Penn State wins that game and goes undefeated, they still don't go to the title game.  The BCS wouldn't have taken them over Texas and USC who had better resumes.  And PSU would have been destroyed if they played either squad.

As it turns out, the Lions were lucky to squeak out a 3 point win over a mediocre 5 loss Florida State team in the Orange Bowl anyway. 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 3:24 PM
(Reply to #56) #59
stephenrjking
stephenrjking's picture
Joined: 03/15/2012
MGoPoints: 20051380
It was a crazy five minutes.

It was a crazy five minutes. At the very moment we were beating PSU, Reggie Bush was pushing Matt Leinart into the end zone in South Bend. Flip two plays and Paterno is in the Rose Bowl playing Vince Young. Of course, officially, that game never happened either.

Also on that Saturday: An incredible WVU-Louisville game, and a miraculous last-second Wisconsin victory over Minnesota on the strength of a blocked punt.

I consider that Saturday to be the best football saturday in my lifetime, probably ever.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 1:03 PM
(Reply to #47) #60
Needs
Joined: 08/05/2008
MGoPoints: 7194
If PSU wins that game, they

If PSU wins that game, they get left out of the championship game because of undefeated Texas and USC, which had been rated higher than them all year.

On Posnanski selling books, he's probably the best pure sportswriter working today, and he's got a lot more opportunities for provacative claims (see his accounts of Paterno's reactions in the immediate aftermath of the Sandusky indictments) than a game 7 years ago that all but Penn State and Michigan fans have largely forgotten about.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 3:27 PM
(Reply to #57) #61
Harperbole
Harperbole's picture
Joined: 06/22/2012
MGoPoints: 233
Somehow I had forgotten that

Somehow I had forgotten that was the year of the epic Vince Young MNC game. Regardless I think that it would have been devastating losing in the fashion they did and an undefeated season is still an undefeated season. 

In regards to Posnanski I'm completely unfamiliar with his work, however I don't think any writer would pass up any opportunity available to add drama.  Sure there are much more intriguing elements to the book no doubt but that doesnt mean he's just going to pass on aspects not tied to the sandusky case.  It's college football after all, these are the sorts of things we as football fans really want to read about.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 7:32 PM
(Reply to #62) #62
mackbru
mackbru's picture
Joined: 09/01/2009
MGoPoints: 6770
You think Posnanski is the

You think Posnanski is the country's best sports writer? He's widely regarded as an old hack of the Jerry Green variety? All he ever writes are lazy nostalgia pieces that begin "Boy, they'll never make another like The Mick/Unitas/Havlicek."

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 12:40 PM
#63
GoBlueInIowa
GoBlueInIowa's picture
Joined: 03/05/2011
MGoPoints: 5038
Can't blame them for being

Can't blame them for being made, pretty sure some of us would be too if the roles were reserved. Given that, it was the right call and they should have just stopped us, which they couldn't.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 2:32 PM
(Reply to #55) #64
snarling wolverine
snarling wolverine's picture
Joined: 12/14/2011
MGoPoints: 43028
It wasn't a judgment call by

It wasn't a judgment call by the officials.  We asked for a timeout and the timekeeper was too slow to stop the clock initially.   The officials put two seconds back.   (We actually should have gotten four.) There is no rational reason for them to be upset about that.   I wouldn't care if it had happened against us.  I'd be a lot angrier at the defense for giving up a TD in 45 seconds.

 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 19th, 2012 at 4:41 PM
(Reply to #59) #65
M-Wolverine
M-Wolverine's picture
Joined: 10/04/2009
MGoPoints: 42199
Yeah, it is all a great cover up

For the real stupidity, which was kicking it to Breaston, who took the thing to mid-field, saving a lot more than two seconds on that drive.

Watching the full sequence again, some credit to the great protection Henne got on that last play. He could have waited to -10 seconds to throw that thing.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
September 15th, 2016 at 10:14 PM
#66
thedeezy
thedeezy's picture
Joined: 02/03/2011
MGoPoints: 111
Joe Knew

...

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
Powered by Drupal, an open source content management system
Theme provided by Roopletheme; sidebars adapted from Chris Murphy.