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“Recruit for Character,” from Bo’s Lasting Lessons

By jfox — January 7th, 2011 at 10:40 AM — 91 comments
“I can’t tell you how many times we passed up hotshots for guys we thought were better people, and watched our guys do a lot better than the big names, not just in the classroom, but on the field—and, naturally, after they graduated, too. Again and again, the blue chips faded out, and our little up-and-comers clawed their way to all-conference and All-America teams.”
—Legendary football coach Bo Schembechler, “Recruit for Character,” from Bo’s Lasting Lessons

Do we want somebody whose heart is not in it but is the current "hotshot."

I think this would apply to coaches even more so than it does players.

The famous Michigan Man speech saw the exit of Frieder from mbb coach because he took a job elsewhere before the 1989 tournament. So Bo famously said "A Michigan man will coach Michigan" and Fisher finished coaching that season. Somebody who wants to coach Michigan and be loyal to Michigan is what the program deserves.
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January 7th, 2011 at 11:04 AM
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there is

We just broomed him.  If he was just a dirt bag and not suspended Hagerup maybe the OSU game doesn't unravel because of a 14yd punt and we could have kept him around.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:07 AM
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It amazes me more people

It amazes me more people don't see this.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:38 AM
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amen.

yup

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:48 AM
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I've been thinking about this too.

I wonder whether Bo could have succeeded under the circumstances that RR faced. Bo inherited a lot of talent, guys like Jim Mandich and Reggie McKenzie, and had support from his predecessor. Beyond that, it was a different world without the internet and an adversarial press.

Rest In Peace, Bo.

Good luck, Coach Rodriguez.

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January 7th, 2011 at 12:15 PM
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Agreed

RR's priorities were clear from the beginning.  The Safety of his players and teaching them good character took precedence over saving his own job.  I can do nothing but pledge my undying support for a person like that.

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January 7th, 2011 at 2:14 PM
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Ball handling

Good character is correct.  I enjoyed that fact that all Michigan players handed the ball to the official after ever play.  Does not win football games, but reflects well on the school, players, and coach.

 

Best of luck RR.

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January 7th, 2011 at 1:00 PM
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Disagree

RR is a good guy and coach but I haven't seen enough evidence that he is anywhere close to Bo in terms of instilling mental and physical toughness in his football teams.

That's like, my opinion, man.

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January 7th, 2011 at 1:27 PM
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I don't get it

The guy has been successful at every single place he has gone to.  If you want to bag on the Big East that's fine, but his teams knocked out SEC/ACC and Big 12 heavyweights in bowl games.  He just didn't forget how to coach, he came to the perfect storm of talent loss out of Ann Arbor in history and was unable to recover.

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January 7th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
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The guy has been successful

The guy has been successful at every single place he has gone to.

 

He was extremly successful at Michigan wasn't he? I like the guy too but please get off your knees.

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January 7th, 2011 at 2:47 PM
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He just didn't forget how to

He just didn't forget how to coach, he came to the perfect storm of talent loss out of Ann Arbor in history and was unable to recover.

Or maybe he was never that great of a head coach to begin with, and the presence of Jeff Casteel on his WVU staff masked this at the time.

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January 7th, 2011 at 6:02 PM
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I love how at West Virginia,

I love how at West Virginia, Casteel can get all the credit for RichRod winning like crazy but when he loses here, it is all RichRod's fault and not the defensive coordinator. I guess if you dislike him, it is all his fault if he loses and all someone else's fault when he wins. The double standard is amazing.

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January 7th, 2011 at 6:02 PM
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I love how at West Virginia,

I love how at West Virginia, Casteel can get all the credit for RichRod winning like crazy but when he loses here, it is all RichRod's fault and not the defensive coordinator. I guess if you dislike him, it is all his fault if he loses and all someone else's fault when he wins. The double standard is amazing.

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January 7th, 2011 at 1:22 PM
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This is hands down one of the

This is hands down one of the best books I have ever read. RR was perceived by many to be a dirt bad because of the messy divorce from WVU, he was not a Michigan Man, and then you add in him not embracing the traditions, and lets not forget the sanctions. Add in the losses and you have a train wreck. If he would have won, none of that would have mattered. Remember, winning cures all. With all that being said, RR, imo, was a high class guy, he just never had a chance. It's ashame, and I wish him all the best of luck. Still wish he was given a fourth year.

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January 7th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
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Except for the probation, the

Except for the probation, the borderline recruits, the legal actions, and -- not least -- the tendency to shift blame onto his players and Lloyd Carr.

Likable guy. Not a saint.

Be a little objective. He's not your grandfather.

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January 7th, 2011 at 2:52 PM
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And let's be honest: you

And let's be honest: you don't make as many enemies as RR has if you're as saintly as this board has made him out to be. 

RR just got sued (again) this week, by the person who bought his old house in Morgantown.  The plaintiff is alleging that the Rodriguezes didn't inform the purchaser that there was a water main leak in one room until the day before closing - and then refused to fix it.

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January 7th, 2011 at 3:05 PM
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A list of additional non-saints.

Lloyd Carr, Gary Moeller, Bo Schembechler, Bump Elliott, Bennie Oosterbaan Fritz Crisler.

As everybody knows, Fielding Yost actually has been granted Sainthood, so he can't be on the Non-saint list.

Oh, and Drew Brees is a Saint.

the probation, the borderline recruits, the legal actions, and -- not least -- the tendency to shift blame onto his players and Lloyd Carr.

Otherwise, you are pretty much completely full of shit.  Is it still Harbaugh for you?  You seemed to think it was just a fait accompli.  Until you turned to "Patterson.  Period."

We get it.  You hated Rich Rodriguez.  I supported Rich Rodriguez.  As a result of Rodriguez's firing, our progression with his system has come to a standstill, and our program is as fucked up right now as any time in my life.  It's not your fault, of course.  You didn't fire Rich Rodriguez.  I just want people like you to eat shit for a while.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:21 AM
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Well said

+ 403 Error to you, sir.

We may find more successful coaches in the coming years... but we're never going to find a better person. 

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January 7th, 2011 at 12:14 PM
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That was funny. I would + 403

That was funny. I would + 403 Error-bang you if I could. Well, I guess I could...you just wouldn't know it.

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January 7th, 2011 at 1:29 PM
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Amen to Blue in South Bend

That Brock Mealer video from the other day should be mandatory viewing for all Michigan fans. 

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January 7th, 2011 at 10:47 AM
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Nice.

Like the sentiment. Of course, big, talented and fast would be nice accompaniments to character.

Semi-related topic:  I just heard everyone's favorite columnist Drew "Not-So" Sharp say that Brady Hoke is the answer. Also, he said Michigan needs to understand it isn't a national championship contender any longer, but rather a regional program. The sooner Michigan realizes that, the better, in his words.

Just wow.

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January 7th, 2011 at 10:48 AM
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which is exactly what we'll

which is exactly what we'll be if we continue to inbreed our coaches and hire Hoke.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:09 AM
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That worthless sack of shit

That worthless sack of shit also said MSC should take the blame for hiring RR. In the real world, you just don't hire people based on credentials and their track record ya know. I really think he wakes up in the morning, looks in the mirror and asks himself "What can I say today that's going to make me look like more of an ass than I did yesterday?"

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:13 AM
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...and he asks himself...

..."how can I best piss off Michigan administrators and fans today?"

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January 7th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
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It's remarkable

It's remarkable how often he is able to succeed in that goal!

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
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Who is this strange man of

Who is this strange man of whom you speak? He sounds like he lacks knowledge.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:44 AM
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Seriously

Why on Earth do you ever read what Sharp says?  He is a professional troll.  I'm not exaggerating when I say that all he does is try to think of inflammatory and provocative things to say, whether they  make sense or not.  You're willingly serving as his demographic by ever looking to see what he says.

I really don't think that anyone who reads Drew Sharp has any right to complain about what he says at this point.

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January 7th, 2011 at 12:33 PM
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From the Wiki page on the

From the Wiki page on the 2004 ND team:

 

 

Aftermath of the Willingham firing

In firing Willingham, the Notre Dame athletic department cited a relatively poor record of 21–15, a weak recruiting class, and three losses, each by 31 points, to rival USC.[28] However, the Irish also hoped to entice Urban Meyer, the head coach of Utah, to lead Notre Dame. Meyer had just led the Utes to an undefeated season and he had a clause in his contract that stated he could leave Utah without a penalty to coach for the Irish.[29] When Meyer instead took the head coaching position at Florida,[30] the Irish were ridiculed in the media, saying that the Notre Dame coaching position is no longer as prestigious as it was in the past.[31][32] After over a week without a coach, the Irish hired New England Patriots' offensive coordinator Charlie Weis as head coach. Weis was an alum of Notre Dame, and became the first alum to coach the team since 1963.[33] At least one sports writer stated that Weis was a choice that made sense for the program.[34]

 

Shows you what sports writers know.

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January 7th, 2011 at 1:13 PM
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Drew 'I change with the wind' Sharp

Sharp was on the radio in san diego on the first day of DB/RR meetings and he pissed me off so much I had to call into the radio station, something I always try to avoid.

One of his quotes was, "They will riot in the streets of Ann Arbor if Hoke is hired."    Its interesting that 3 days later he is saying things like the above.

The ass-hats in the MSM, "I have no facts, so lets make some up, state my opinion as fact or rely on an unconfirmed, non existant source as collaboration."  This week has brought out the worst of the worst in the print, radio and TV sports media.  The entire world relied on a tweet from Fox 2 News Detroit as confirmation on Day 1 despite all evidence to the contrary (at that point).

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January 7th, 2011 at 1:35 PM
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Sharp

Sharp should have been a blow job!

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January 7th, 2011 at 10:47 AM
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Bo got lucky with Fisher

Look what he's done at SDSU making them at top 10 team

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January 7th, 2011 at 10:47 AM
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If I remember correctly, that

If I remember correctly, that "Michigan Man" Steve Fisher got the university in a little bit of trouble.  This whole "Michigan Man" myth has gotten ridiculous. 

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:32 AM
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And our old friend Rosenberg makes that point today

in his latest pronouncement in the Freep.  (Forget, for the moment, about how, 96 hours ago, the Freep was publishing Rosenberg's view that he had "...zero doubt that [Harbaugh] wants the Michigan job.")

And so, if everyone is sneering at the silly notion that what we absolutely need is someone who graduated from Michigan, played at Michigan, or who coached at Michigan, then why, I ask, was Rich Rodriguez pilloried for not being a "Michigan Man"?  I guess some people just want to have it both ways.  As in, "Rich Rodriguez wasn't a 'Michigan Man.'  Of course, we don't really need a 'Michigan Man'."

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January 7th, 2011 at 10:48 AM
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yep

the story was about Jeff George and him making his Mom get him a "pop" and Bo walking away from there not liking him. In the same story he bring up J.H being a High Character guy. So ????

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January 7th, 2011 at 10:50 AM
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Is this a Brady Hoke

Is this a Brady Hoke endorsement?

Please let this coaching search end ASAP!!!!!!!!  I'm checking MGoBlog even more than I already did.  I'll probably get fired for it too.

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January 7th, 2011 at 10:52 AM
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Is this a Brady Hoke

Is this a Brady Hoke endorsement?

Not by me, that's for sure. I'm holding out for JH, but it doesn't look good.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:23 AM
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Can I ask why?

You want a fromer player/alumnus who publicly threw the team and university under the bus over academics to become its coach.  I can see the negative recruiting already-  Harbaugh talks about what a great university Michigan is and the value of an M degree to you, but look at what he actually thinks about the school as the rival coach hands him a printed version of JH's own words.

Loved him as a player, but I don't want him anywhere near the team.  A person who claims they bleed Maize and Blue doesn't denigrate the program he played for or the university he attended.  Just calling it as I see it- two faced.

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January 7th, 2011 at 1:06 PM
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Well...

...it is reputed that JH is an extremely strong recruiter. If his reputation is deserved he could easily shut down coaches that attempt to use his prior comments as negative recruiting tools.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:00 AM
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I'd +1 this if I had the

I'd +1 this if I had the points.  A couple tips mgoprocrastinating at work from a most of the time reader, and some of the time comment poster:

1) If you're a Windows user, Alt+Tab gets you to a non-internet window faster than clicking away.

2) Instead of constantly looking over your shoulder to make sure your boss doesn't catch you on MGoBlog, listen for key sounds that tell you someone is headed your way (footsteps, the printer starting a new job)

Wow, typing that last one made me realize what a degenerate I've become this week :-(.  I need another hobby.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:41 AM
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This is the lord's work.

Excellent.  FYI - Atl-Tab works in Mac OS too.

 

Edit:  And a whole bunch of other OSes too.  I just looked up the table of keyboard short cuts on Wikipedia.  Fascinating.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:23 AM
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You won't get fired

You may get "relieved of your duties," though.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:42 AM
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I'm a big fan of:  "We've

I'm a big fan of:  "We've been evaluating our core strengths and decided to go in a different direction.  I think you're very talented, but we don't have the best fit."  Also - no matter how old they are - "you're young and you've got a lot of time.  Life changes always work out for the better."  End with a strong handshake and get them out of your office as quickly as possible.

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January 7th, 2011 at 12:15 PM
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Relieved of duties

Huh Huh, duties.

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January 7th, 2011 at 10:52 AM
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False dichotomy?

OP: Do we want somebody whose heart is not in it but is the current "hotshot."

Does anyone else think that "Darn tootin'!" should follow that statement?

I think there are degrees of "heart" and "hotshot."  I'd like to have the new coach score more than 2/10 on the hotshot scale.

- - -

Aside: How "rebuilt" is a program that goes to two wins (from twelve) when its rebuilder leaves for greener pastures?

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:12 AM
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amen....Also, I'm not sure

amen....Also, I'm not sure who the "hotshot" coaches are that he advises we stay away from, but I think most of the names being batted around (Patterson, Peterson, Pelini, Mullen) have already proven that they aren't going to flame out anytime soon. The only one who isn't proven is Hoke.

I can already hear DB next season: They're not saying "booo" they're saying "hooo-ke"

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:00 AM
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wrong thread

oops

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January 7th, 2011 at 10:56 AM
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Wrong

Why would you listen to a liar like Schembechler?

Everyone knows Michigan needs to get back to recruiting 5 stars.  We need to get back to the old days when Michgan had All Americans on the 3rd string.  We are Michigan you have to screw it up to not have 5 stars lining up at your door.    Big fat ones too.   Michigan has always been about big fat 5 star defensive players.   Just hire a good Michigan Man and they'll all come running  now that we got that hillbilly out of the way.

Sincerely,

Old School Wolverine who has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to football and doesn't follow it that closely, but they are used to wins and their favorite pasttime is complaining and being a negative dick.  Picture Jeff Defran

 

Just because people may have lost their minds over the last couple of days I'll clearly state sarcasm.  The more garbage I hear the more I want to scream.  I still see no idea how firing RR is making things better.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:02 AM
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I need to re-read this book.

I need to re-read this book. Loved it when I read it the first time. Bo's stories are priceless.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:04 AM
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Harbaugh

is the best of both worlds.  He would get the 5 stars but also get the character kids.  I am holding out hope until DB officially announces the new coach.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:05 AM
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I just bought 10 copies of that book

and mailed them to friends and family members.  Such a great book.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:07 AM
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Is that a buckeye in your hand?

Old eyes sorry.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:33 AM
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Yes

but there's a crack opening up in the middle of it as it was getting crushed when this picture was taken.  (I might have primed the pump a little with the heel of my shoe.)

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:36 AM
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I

would like to be your friend.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:06 AM
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this is not aimed at the OP

but the overall coaching search in general

THIS ISN'T SOME SHITTY DISNEY MOVIE. THIS ISN'T "NATIONAL TREASURE 5: SEARCH FOR THE SPIRIT OF BO." HE DIDN'T LEAVE US 'LITTLE HINTS' IN HOW TO FIND THE NEXT SUCCESSFUL COACH BURIED IN BOOKS AND UNDERNEATH THE DIAG M AND UNDER THE RIGHT GOAL POST THERE'S OMG AN ARROW POINTING TO THE FORMER PRESS BOX AND OMG. JUST GET A DAMN COACH WHO'S A PROVEN WINNER. DONE.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:14 AM
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Yeah

LIKE RICH RODRIGUEZ THAT GUY WON WHEREVER HE WAS AT!!!!!!  Oh wait what?

We can't hire anyone because this arrogant inbred idiotic media/alum/fan base won't give them any time to fix it.

You have 2 options hire someone that can keep this team together and can run a spread and win 9-11 games next year and keep the maniacs at bay a little or hire Hoke or some other inbred Michigan guy will be given a lot of room because this roster/recruiting class can bolt if they don't win this team over and then it's another 4 year project.

 

 

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:14 AM
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I take it no success with the

I take it no success with the MSC imagery last night?

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:35 AM
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Clearly

you haven't read the book the OP is talking about.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:59 AM
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We are all on edge

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January 7th, 2011 at 12:54 PM
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I'm not sure the OP totally

I'm not sure the OP totally deserved this rant ... but it was pretty goddamn funny.  I mean, I do think character is important, obviously, but there's a difference between character and Six Degrees of Bo.

At any rate this:

THIS ISN'T "NATIONAL TREASURE 5: SEARCH FOR THE SPIRIT OF BO."

... is pure gold.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:06 AM
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I was trying to bring perspective against the growing myth

Bo's statement was an indictment on Frieder not an endorsement for Fisher, it's better to have an interim coach them somebody who wants to be somewhere else.



On another note: I think Jim Tressel who was an unpopular choice has been so successful because of his passion for OSU. I know he has the best state for recruiting outside of the south and big budgets and proved himself to be a good coach at other levels, but without his passion he he'd be like John Cooper. Cooper had great talent but lost meaningful games. OSU dominates the bigten because of their coaches passion has been adopted by their players.



I want to see Michigan match that internal passion for the team by the coaches and then the players. That will all depend on how passionate the next HC leads.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:15 AM
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Yes, I agree Patterson is all

Yes, I agree Patterson is all about the money, and he has no passion.

Also, can we stop comparing early-Tressel to Hoke. I mean, Hoke is not a young up-and-comer, he's an aging, slightly-above-average coach, who just happens to have been a coach at Michigan a long time ago.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
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A Michigan Man by Choice

Agreed. A Michigan Man comes to Michigan by choice, not by negotiation. Over time, he adds to the tradition of the University. I don't care to hear about Harbaugh again. I want to hear about a good man who wants to be committed to the University, coaching good players, and restoring our tradition of excellence.

We came to Michigan by choice, we stayed with Michigan by choice. Greed, Negotiation, hah. The money will be there for excellence. DB needs to find that committment to excellence and I don't care what state it comes from.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:39 AM
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If that is the case

Brady Hoke is the best option for Michigan.

We know that he is defensive minded, unless anyone has forgotten Michigan Football from 1995  - 2002 when Brady Hoke was our defensive line coach.

He has the heart for Michigan Football. He made it clear to San Diego State when he was hired that his dream job is Head Coach at the U of M.

Maybe he doesn't have a long coaching resume, but he bleeds Maize -N-Blue. His coaching resume is similar to Harbaugh with a little more on the defense side of the ball than Harbaugh has.

GO BLUE!!

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January 7th, 2011 at 1:12 PM
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Hoke

Definitely not my first choice.

On the other hand, if the guy really wants to be in Ann Arbor and give 110% to Michigan football maybe it wouldn't be awful if he was given the chance to live his dream. Appropriately focused desire can go a long way in this world.

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January 7th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
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Agreed

At least it would be nice to have somebody who truly appreciated the opportunity. You know he would kill himself to make it work, and if they surround him with a loaded staff (the true lesson that should've been learned under Rodriguez rather than this "Michigan Man" bs), he could make it work. I'd love to have Harbaugh, but if he took the job at this point I would be thinking more along the lines of "it's about damn time" than genuine excitement.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:57 AM
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You have perfectly

You have perfectly encapsulated the most insufferable elements of the Michigan fanbase.

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January 7th, 2011 at 1:00 PM
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I like Michigan arrogance, as

I like Michigan arrogance, as long as we're winning.  My position is that we need to at least keep a tiny flame of arrogance alive even while things are at a low ebb, so long as said tiny flame doesn't lead us to deny the reality of our current situation and do shit like, say, undermine a new coach because he hasn't been Touched by the Hand of Bo. 

Once we're winning again, which will hopefully happen before I'm 50, let the arrogance flame on, I say.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:13 AM
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My main reason I want to have Hoke is that he wants to be here.



And also Glenn Steele, one of the greatest guys I have had the pleasure to know, endorses him. But that's because I still have a man crush on Steele and his O Line destruction abilities.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:42 AM
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Simply wanting to be

Simply wanting to be somewhere doesn't lead to success.  Rich Rodriguez wanted to be here. Money may well end up being a major reason a coach picks us, but have no doubt that these coaches are all obsessed with success and will certainly give everything they have to the University

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January 7th, 2011 at 12:25 PM
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Rich Rodriguez wanted to be

Rich Rodriguez wanted to be here more than he wanted to be in what he felt was a bad situation in West Virginia.  Let's not sit around and pretend RR extensively thought about coming to Michigan before his agent made a phone call.  To him, Michigan was a  big-name job, and an easy out of Morgantown.

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January 7th, 2011 at 1:10 PM
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Exactly

Nothing RR did or said really indicated to me that he was 110% committed to Michigan. I really got the sense that he viewed Michigan as a larger school with a bigger stadium but never really understood the unique history of the football program or the University.

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January 7th, 2011 at 1:11 PM
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That's not entirely true. RR

That's not entirely true. RR played and coached under Don Nehlen, then took over for Nehlen when he retired. Nehlen coached at Michigan under Bo before taking over at WVU and built that school up for RR. RR left his school out of frustration, but he thought he was coming into this magical place where coaches are treated well because that's what he had been told by Nehlen. Unforetunately, that mentality seemingly died with Bo and he walked into a snake pit.

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January 7th, 2011 at 12:00 PM
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There are probably too many

who want to be here to have that be your primary reaosn for Hoke.  It sure did seem like the perfect storm for us to get Harbaugh (at one point he wanted to be here or so I thought).  I recall reading an article earlier in the year regarding Harbaugh, basically indicating he is a tireless worker.  He outworks everyone, up at the crack of dawn and last one home.  We need someone like this (never satisfied), a perfectionist.  What I don't want to do is pick up someone who will get fat and lazy which can happen when you throw a lot of money at someone.  Whoever we get, it can't be about the money but rather the drive to achieve and constantly improve and outwork every other coach in the nation.  Although, I also wouldn't mind if we saved a little money by picking up Hoke and had more money to throw at the upgrading the offensive and defensive coordinators. 

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:40 AM
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successful because of his passion for OSU.

With all due respect, horse puckey—Jim Tressel may love OSU like his own mother, but the reason he's successful is that he's a damn good coach in all phases of what the job entails, at least wrt to what happens on the field.

Do you really think that Nick Saban won NCs at LSU and Alabama because he had/has a true passion and love for those schools?

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:46 AM
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Nick Saban won MNCs because...

He Cheats

Didn't play USC (LSU)

Colt McCoy got hurt



The Pete Carroll / nick Saban route is the other way to win. Stockpile NFL talent by any means necessary.

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January 7th, 2011 at 12:10 PM
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While very true, a good coach

While very true, a good coach is the most important factor, but passion is definitely important. If a coach isn't 100% whole heartedly committed to his school it can affect many aspects of a team especially recruiting. People can tell when you love a school and when you don't, and that could definitely affect how players play for you and how recruiting goes.

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January 7th, 2011 at 1:02 PM
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If everyone on this board

If everyone on this board still believes in the fucking PR Myth of Saint Jim than goddammit I guess I'm just going to remain frustrated.  Even after all the recent shit with Pryor and his buddies?  Really?   Tressel's also very successful because recruiting at OSU has certain built-in advantages. 

He's a good coach too, no doubt.  But he's a shady, two-faced little fucker.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:45 AM
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John U. Bacon

His new Book "3ed and Long"

It's on RR time in AA. just FYI since were talking about Bo's lasting lessons. SIAP

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January 7th, 2011 at 12:52 PM
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SIAP

what is it with you acronym bastards?

and stop apologizing ahead of time about potential double posting, either do a search first or just post it, asking ahead to apologize your laziness is just lame.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:45 AM
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Bo's Lasting Lessons

I'm reading this book right now, and it should be mandatory reading for whoever we hire. In fact, it should just be mandatory reading for everyone

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:51 AM
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RR received 5 copies

When he was first hired, he said people started sending him books on Michigan including 5 copies of this book.

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January 7th, 2011 at 12:10 PM
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really too bady

He should have read the book.

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January 7th, 2011 at 11:53 AM
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sooo...

Mike Hart has said he wants to coach Michigan one day. Why not him? He has character and passion for all things Blue.

/s

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January 7th, 2011 at 12:09 PM
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Obviously

This is a joke, he certainly isn't ready for HC.  But certainly I would love to see Mike Hart pulled in as a new coach somewhere.  He is perfect to be developed as a coach. 

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January 7th, 2011 at 12:22 PM
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To be clear to the original post I want Jim Harbaugh.

He was my favorite NFL qb growing up. I lived in Chicago while he was a Bear, I loved watching him as a Colt. I still think the Colts were robbed by that play Kordell Stewart was out of bounce and came back in to catch the AFC championship winning TD.

I wanted Harbaugh back in 07 when he had won a NC with San Diego.

The circus around Harbaugh this month is crazy. I am beginning to think of the other options after Harbaugh. Hoke is someone I think has the potential to overachieve and be a good coach at Michigan. Whoever the next HC is will have to deal with a lot of bs expectations and myths of bs expectations that the local media hold in too lofty idealistic standards.

EDIT: I also think the lambasting of Hoke on this board is terrible and could possibly make the job harder than it needs to be if he happens to be hired. We don't need the next coach having similar challenges that handicapped Rodriguez while he was here. It took the wind out of the sails of a good coach and I don't want to see a portion of the fanbase / media create unnecessary obstacles to overcome within the support system of Michigan football. 

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January 7th, 2011 at 12:32 PM
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worry not

harbaugh is coming.    

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January 7th, 2011 at 1:42 PM
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Here's the REAL reason!

Here s the real reason Harbaughs not coming to Michigan!

 

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2008/01/22/congrats-on-the-wedding-jim-h...

 

This explains why this whole saga is bizarre!

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January 7th, 2011 at 2:52 PM
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A couple of things worth pointing out.

1. The "hired gun" type of coach does not always work out, either due to the school or the coach himself, or a combination of both.

2. When hiring a coach, particularly at a tradition-laden school like UM, one should be looking to hire someone who will be there for awhile and not someone who will see the opportunity as a stepping stone to other wishlist jobs.

3. Too much is being made of DB's timelines during this whole CC saga. Are we, as a society, to the point where we do not take anyone at their word anymore? DB publicly stated that he was taking the whole entire season, and previous accomplishments(or lack of them) into consideration for determining whether or not to keep RR. I, for one, do not believe in any ulterior motives of DB for when he finally decided to let RR go. I believe that he did EXACTLY what he said he was going to do.

4. We live in a society of people, mostly the young ones, who believe in getting what they want immediately as they decide they want it. No working for it, or "paying" of the dues. They want it now. What this means for the coaching search is that every big name is thrown out there as some kind of "saviour" for the UM football program and people are very passionate about getting the guy they want, even to the point of overlooking the reasons why that coach may not be a good fit, or the right fit for UM.

5. I said it during the middle of the season that I believed if RR were let go(even if it was the right move, which I'm thinking it might have been), that our fanbase would look eerily similar to ND's fanbase regarding coaches. The ND fanbase, upon a coach being let go, clammors for the latest, greatest, hottest names out there regardless of whether or not the coach might actually be the one to bring them back to national prominence.

6. "It isn't about the kids committing to the coach, but to the school". That has been bandied about here and elsewhere whenever coaching changes occur. Well, guess what? It applies to the coaches as well. It is about the school, and nothing else. The success a coach has at one school does not translate necessarily to another school. We, as UM football fans, just learned the hard way that that particular statement is true. Instead of looking at the success coaches have at their current schools, we should be looking at WHY(or why not) they would have success at UM.

7. Harbaugh in simple terms. Played at UM, is most definitely a good coach. Wants to end up in the NFL, as has been repeated by most news sites. Would not be at UM long term. Is generally perceived as a "saviour" for UM football, but that is appearance and not necessarily reality. To me, he straddles the line between "hired gun" and good/great fit for UM. I could accept him as coach, knowing that in a few years down the road given some success at UM, that he would be gone to the NFL.

8. Above all, I want a coach who truly wants to be here because it is UM and no where else. I want a coach who will run through brick walls if needed in order to take UM back to national prominence. I want a coach who truly understands that tOSU is an evil institution that must be defeated. I want a coach who truly understands that MSU shouldn't be mentioned anywhere in the same breath as UM when it comes to football. I want a coach that instills in his players, not respect for other teams, but the pure hatred of the rivals they face on that particular day of football, and inspires them to greatness in order to defeat them. I want a coach, who like Bo would do, will obliterate the opponents for perceived slights against his team and school.

No. 8 is full of a lot of wants, and as of now there are only three candidates out there who might fit the bill for it. Harbaugh(only if his heart is truly into it and he isn't just looking for the stepping stone to his ultimate goal of the NFL), Miles(crazy? absolutely, even though I like his win-at-all-costs gameday calls most of the time), and Hoke(of the three, is the only one I truly like right now.)

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January 7th, 2011 at 3:01 PM
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Agreed

as loyal michigan fans we should all want someone who bleeds maize n blue.  Hoke is the best, most tradition-understanding choice!  Hes someone who considers this a destination job.

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