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Okay, I realize my previous diary was not well received and I had a lot of 'splaining to do.  In the middle of the night I had a half drunken, half baked, brilliant idea about how to better evaluate wide receivers in this day and age of the spread offense. 

We've seen QB completion percentages rise and rise.  Thirty years ago, 45% might have won you the heisman, now it means you're third string.  The point is, that just catching balls is not really enough if you're catching all of them behind the line of scrimmage.  It's pretty amazing if you pull down a one handed stab ala Koger, but in the modern offense, we need better measuring sticks. 

So I'm going to track my new stat categories for this season and beyond, and maybe some smart reporter (is that an oxymoron?) or someone else will pick up on how useful these stats are. 

After only one game, they won't be very telling.  But as the weeks go by, we'll be able to see which WR are performing relatively better from week to week.  We also need some historical context.  I said I would go back and review tapes from previous years, but I haven't had the time YET.  I still plan on doing it, but it might not happen till after the season.  Feel free to do this on your own if you've got lots of time on your hands.

Anyway let's get to it.  First up is the raw data, the notes I made while watching the video.  Then I'll give the stats, and finally I'll toss in some comments about the week for good measure.

Passing Down Notes:

1st quarter
  • 5 yards to hemingway no yac on 1st down

    Swing to odoms behind the line gain of 7 but penalty odoms in motion early

    2nd 11 pass to carlos for 5 plus 8 yac

    2nd and 10 on 28 yardline TD to Hemmingway 17 plus 11 yac

    2nd and 12 incomplete to grady on a screen

    3rd and 12 incomplete to webb

    2nd and 5 4 yards to grady plus 4 yac

    1st and 10 incomplete to Hemmingway didn’t look

2nd quarter
  • 2nd and 5 koger 4 plus 1 yac

    2nd and goal from the 8, TD koger redzone

    1st and 10 incomplete to matthews broke off route or wrong route

    2nd and 10 (robinson) to savoy behind the line for -1 plus 12 yac

    2nd and 15 (tate) to shaw for 6 on a comeback, no ruled incomplete

    (matthews shaken up)

    3rd and 9 screen hemingway for -2 plus 17 yac

    1st and 10 incomplete to stonum broke off deep route

    3rd and 7 TD hemingway same route as stonum, 36 plus 8 yac

3rd quarter

  • 2nd and 7 odoms -4 plus 9 yac

    1st and 10 hemmingway 8 plus 4 yac limps off the field

    2nd and 4 mathews for 0 plus 9 yac

    2nd and 3 incomplete to savoy, pressure

    1st and 20 incomplete to matthews, broke off route Mathews looks really frustrated
            1st and 10 matthews 5 plus 5 yac
  • 3rd and 16 INTerception, mathews was jogging on the goal line, DB undercut Sheridan is chewing out savoy who was wide right

    1st and 10 grady for -3 plus 9 yac

    3rd and 2 incomplete to grady

4th quarter

  • 3rd and 15 nearly intercepted incomplete to matthews

    2nd and 9 scramble should have passed

    1st and 10 KOGER great 1 handed catch for 20

    3rd and goal from the 10 redzone busted play incomplete flag

    4th and goal from the 10 redzone incomplete to cox

STATS
As always, small sample sizes screw around with efficiency stats.  But as the numbers accumulate, these will be more telling. So please have patience.
 
1st Stat Category: Yards per thrown at
This stat is better than yards per catch because it includes a penalty for players who drop the ball or loaf it on a play and don't get open.  Yes they are penalized for having a bad QB but that would affect all the numbers across the board.

Hemingway  17.33
C. Brown      13
Koger           11
Savoy             5.5
Odoms           5
Grady(19)      3.5
Mathews        3.16
Stonum, Webb, Cox, Shaw, 0

2nd Stat Category: TD's per Redzone thrown at
This is a stat built for the big men, the goto guys who can get in the endzone. Amazingly, we only attempted 3 redzone passes all day.  1 was a TD to koger, 1 was a busted play, and 1 was the final offensive play from coner

Koger   1.00
Cox       0.00

3rd Stat Category: Conversion Efficiency (receiving yards minus (half the yards to go)) multiplied by the down number per thrown at
This is the most complicated stat. This one tells how good a receiver is at continuing a drive.  Possesion receivers score high on this metric.  Guys that only run fly routes and catch the ball one out of 5 times get killed by this measure.

Hemingway      33.5
C. Brown           15
Koger                  9.33
Savoy                  4.5
Odoms                3
Grady (19)         -0.75
Stonum              -5
Mathews            -7.083
Shaw                 -15
Webb                -18
Cox                    -20

(Hmmm.... no one likes negative numbers so I might tweek the formula and make it 1/4 of the yards to go.  what do you guys think?)

4th Stat Category: Snag and Go (Total receiving yards/(yards BEFORE the catch)) multiplied by (receptions per thrown at)
I just realized the possibility of having an infinite score here if you have all your catches at the line of scrimmage.  The point here was to measure YAC in a meaningful way for guys who catch the ball short, but then have to turn and make something out of it.  So I'm going to rethink this category and come up with something better to make the negatives and infinities make sense.

For right now I'll just calculate YAC per thrown at

Odoms          9
C. Brown       8
Hemingway   6.66
Savoy            6
Grady (19)    3.25
Mathews       2.33
Koger            0.33
Cox, Shaw, Webb 0.0

So what's it all mean? Well obviously Hemingway had an awesome day.  Not only did he get the big catches for touchdowns, but his other touches went for conversions, and he even showed a lot of YAC ability.  Koger was also excellent, although he has almost no YAC which is what you expect from a larger player, but has a shiny 1.00 for Redzone TD's efficiency.

Most of the other players didn't get enough looks for their numbers to be meaningful. But there was one notable exception.  Mathews had a pretty rough day.  He only gained positive yardage on two plays and often looked as if he wasn't fully engaged in the play.  He did an excellent job on punt returns by simply HOLDING ON TO THE GODDAMN BALL.  But he had the demeanor of a guy who is very frustrated.  He didn't look happy or excited on the sidelines.  Maybe I'm just reading too much into it.  On the two catches he made, he got good YAC and converted, but the number of incompletes in his direction brought that stat into negative territory. This is somewhat disappointing as he's our most experienced WR and seemed to have a talent for crossing patterns and deep in's or deep outs.  I hope things get turned around for him quickly.

Random Notes

  • Will someone tell Mike Patrick to use the term "SOLD OUT" crowd.  Not "sell-out" crowd. I feel like he's insulting the stadium. 
  • That Cheesney song fr(*&)(*^& sucks!  I like a lot of different kinds of music, but if it weren't for the mute button I'd probably have to shoot myself before the end of the season.
  • After Tate threw the long TD, it looked like Sheridan was unhappy, and explaining something to him, and Tate was like "wut?"
  • Boise should be ranked above BYU.  BYU beat a team on the road, but minus their best player.  Boise absolutely stomped oregon.  But they kept bogging down in the redzone
  • USC will kill tOSU
  • Watching Floyd and Woolfolk bite on the play action was pretty sickening on an otherwise awesome day
  • TP is not a smart fellow.  If we had him last year we might have gotten 6 or 7 wins and made a bowl but I kind of feel like we dodged a bullet and I'm quite happy with the 2 Frosh we got and Devin Gardner coming in.
  • Nice to see the crowd in support of RR
  • The Big 10 went 10-1 and is well on its way to having 8 bowl eligible teams but ohio state is still making the conference look bad.
  • Florida didn't beat the spread.  Wow, that Urban Meyer is a terrible coach. (joking)
  • USC's barkley stealing the spotlight from forcier reminds me of adrian peterson doing the same to mike hart.
  • The next game is the biggest game of the season! (so far) ND looks like a decent team this year. If we win we could be looking at 8+ wins. If we lose, we're going to struggle to get 6.  I hope we win by a small enough amount that Weis doesn't get fired.
  • Actually I take that back.  I hope we win by 38-0  AGAIN.
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September 7th, 2009 at 2:35 PM | I skimmed thru your diary and I believe you left out the most (Score:1)
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important factor of a WR in the Spread n Shred. BLOCKING!

Wide receivers in this offense have to block downfield. The abilty to secure those blocks allows the backs and QBs the opportunity to turn an average 3-7 yd run into 15-?? yd run.

This isn't Texas Tech. Our receivers have to be able to block or they won't see the field. They block for the backs as well as each other. One of the main reasons the bubble screen was such an epic disaster last season was missed blocks by receivers.

EDIT: You're right the Chesney song blows. At least Gameday is still using "Coming to your Citay"

What the mind can conceive and believe, the mind can achieve and...Those Who Stay WILL Be Champions.

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September 7th, 2009 at 2:38 PM | EMO Game Promo Music (Score:1)
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You know, it's pretty fucking simple to me: This is football. Rock and Roll. Mayhem. Kill. Beer. Burping and farting. No womenz allowed.

Enter the Sandman. Whole Lotta Rosie. For Those Sbout to Rock (We Salute You).

Get the blood pumped up, M Effers. Don't play music that makes me want to go bake a pie and plan a dinner party.

That being said, it is what it is.

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September 7th, 2009 at 2:48 PM | http://rivals.yahoo.com/michi (Score:1)
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/michigan/football/recruiting/player-Troy-Woolfol...

If someone kept butchering my name, I'd be pissed. It's Woolfolk. Adrian Peterson stealing the spotlight from Mike Hart? A.D. was the #1 overall recruit in the nation; nobody knew who Mike Hart was. Of course all of the spotlight was going to be on A.D. Not sure why you're making alot of assumptions about kids not being happy. You don't know any of the sideline situations, so let's not start any rumors.

So if Michigan loses in a last second score to ND, our season is over and we'll struggle to get to 6 wins? Very few people are expecting us to win; I'm pretty sure this team will be fine if we lose respectably to ND. I appreciate your factual analysis on the WR stats, but some of your random notes are, well, random and way out there.

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September 7th, 2009 at 2:56 PM | if he makes better plays (Score:1)
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I'll try harder to get his name right. jk. I'll fix it now.

If we're bubbling around 7 wins, and next week is a tossup, then that gets us to 8 and emotional play might lift us higher. If we lose that takes us down to seven and emotional play could take us lower. Also if we win next week, it means we have a pretty decent team. If we lose, it means we're just mediocre. a pretty decent team will likely get 8 wins against our schedule. But a mediocre one is more likely to get six.

The fates have already spoken and if you can peer into the future and it is unwavering, well then bravo for you. But I'm still gathering information on which to make extrapolations. winning or losing next week will be a big data point.

You're right about the extent though, I should have said that any close game probably puts us on track for 7 wins.

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September 7th, 2009 at 3:08 PM | I was only (Score:1)
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commenting on what I saw on the video

here, this might help you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_language

When I mentioned Hart and Peterson, I was talking about how everyone in Michigan was thinking that Hart was the best true freshmen RB in the nation after he kept putting up 200 yard games, but outside of michigan there wasn't much attention paid to him in terms of "best freshman RB"

Similarly, everyone in Michigan is thrilled to peaches about what tate's done so far as a true frosh, but the national story about "best freshman QB" will have the USC kid at the top of everyone's list.

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September 7th, 2009 at 2:52 PM | Just wondering (Score:1)
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Are you familiar with Football Outsiders or other similar work done on advanced statistics? I give you props for taking the time to chart play outcomes from the game tape, but as far as identifying meaningful metrics/statistics to evaluate the play outcomes, that wheel has already been invented and refined quite a bit.

The evolution of football statistics is way behind where baseball statistics are, but it's pretty damn advanced. Just trying to provide some constructive information, and hopefully point you to existing research that you may find interesting.

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September 7th, 2009 at 2:59 PM | vaguely familiar (Score:1)
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but I haven't seen their stats being used on here. Am I repeating any of theirs, do they have better ones?

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September 7th, 2009 at 2:57 PM | Good diary. +1. Should be (Score:1)
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Good diary. +1. Should be posted again next week, too.

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September 7th, 2009 at 3:19 PM | Matthews (Score:1)
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Rumors abound about his level of buying into the whole Rich Rod thing. It looks like he just isn't having a whole lot of fun out there. At some point you wonder if he is going to have any meaningful impact at all.

On a couple of his fair catches, it looked like he might have had some room to gain positive yardage. The coaches may have really stressed just holding onto the ball, but he is a senior who has been around the block a few times.

I hate the phrase "step it up"--but either he does or you just give him a good seat on the bench.

That being said, it is what it is.

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September 7th, 2009 at 7:24 PM | Another stat... (Score:1)
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I have always thought that wide receivers should be charged with interceptions if the ball was tipped. ESPN played up all of Oklahoma's interceptions in the National Championship game last year even though they really weren't Sam Bradford's fault. If I remember correctly he had two that were tipped.

The three are now free!

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September 8th, 2009 at 11:52 AM | TP comment (Score:1)
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"TP is not a smart fellow. If we had him last year we might have gotten 6 or 7 wins and made a bowl but I kind of feel like we dodged a bullet and I'm quite happy with the 2 Frosh we got and Devin Gardner coming in."

amen. 10-4. harrumph. agreed.

"Play hard and with great effort"

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