ND 168th, thats all I have to say.
FWIW. Michigan doesn't seem inclined to get re-involved.
London Times Online
October 9, 2008
University top 200 in full
The list in full:
1 HARVARD University United States
2 YALE University United States
3 University of CAMBRIDGE United Kingdom
4 University of OXFORD United Kingdom
5 CALIFORNIA Institute of Technology (Calt... United States
6 IMPERIAL College London United Kingdom
7 UCL (University College London) United Kingdom
8 University of CHICAGO United States
9 MASSACHUSETTS Institute of Technology (M... United States
10 COLUMBIA University United States
11 University of PENNSYLVANIA United States
12 PRINCETON University United States
13= DUKE University United States
13= JOHNS HOPKINS University United States
15 CORNELL University United States
16 AUSTRALIAN National University Australia
17 STANFORD University United States
18 University of MICHIGAN United States
19 University of TOKYO Japan
20 MCGILL University Canada
21 CARNEGIE MELLON University United States
22 KING'S College London United Kingdom
23 University of EDINBURGH United Kingdom
24 ETH Zurich (Swiss Federal Institute of T... Switzerland
25 KYOTO University Japan
26 University of HONG KONG Hong Kong
27 BROWN University United States
28 École Normale Supérieure, PARIS France
29 University of MANCHESTER United Kingdom
30= National University of SINGAPORE(NUS) Singapore
30= University of CALIFORNIA, Los Angeles (U... United States
32 University of BRISTOL United Kingdom
33 NORTHWESTERN University United States
34= ÉCOLE POLYTECHNIQUE France
34= University of BRITISH COLUMBIA Canada
36 University of California, BERKELEY United States
37 The University of SYDNEY Australia
38 The University of MELBOURNE Australia
39 HONG KONG University of Science & Techno... Hong Kong
40 NEW YORK University (NYU) United States
41 University of TORONTO Canada
42 The CHINESE University of Hong Kong Hong Kong
43 University of QUEENSLAND Australia
44 OSAKA University Japan
45 University of NEW SOUTH WALES Australia
46 BOSTON University United States
47 MONASH University Australia
48 University of COPENHAGEN Denmark
49 TRINITY College Dublin Ireland
50= Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale de LAUSANNE... Switzerland
50= PEKING University China
50= SEOUL National University Korea, South
53 University of AMSTERDAM Netherlands
54 DARTMOUTH College United States
55 University of WISCONSIN-Madison United States
56 TSINGHUA University China
57 HEIDELBERG Universität Germany
58 University of CALIFORNIA, San Diego United States
59 University of WASHINGTON United States
60 WASHINGTON University in St. Louis United States
61 TOKYO Institute of Technology Japan
62 EMORY University United States
63 UPPSALA University Sweden
64 LEIDEN University Netherlands
65 The University of AUCKLAND New Zealand
66 LONDON School of Economics and Political... United Kingdom
67 UTRECHT University Netherlands
68 University of GENEVA Switzerland
69 University of WARWICK United Kingdom
70 University of TEXAS at Austin United States
71 University of ILLINOIS United States
72 Katholieke Universiteit LEUVEN Belgium
73 University of GLASGOW United Kingdom
74 University of ALBERTA Canada
75 University of BIRMINGHAM United Kingdom
76 University of SHEFFIELD United Kingdom
77 NANYANG Technological University Singapore
78= DELFT University of Technology Netherlands
78= RICE University United States
78= Technische Universität MÜNCHEN Germany
81= University of AARHUS Denmark
81= University of YORK United Kingdom
83= GEORGIA Institute of Technology United States
83= The University of WESTERN AUSTRALIA Australia
83= University of ST ANDREWS United Kingdom
86 University of NOTTINGHAM United Kingdom
87 University of MINNESOTA United States
88 LUND University Sweden
89 University of CALIFORNIA, Davis United States
90 CASE WESTERN RESERVE University United States
91= Université de Montréal Canada
91= University of HELSINKI Finland
93= Hebrew University of JERUSALEM Israel
93= Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München Germany
95 KAIST - Korea Advanced Institute of Scie... Korea, South
96 University of VIRGINIA United States
97 University of PITTSBURGH United States
98 University of CALIFORNIA, Santa Barbara United States
99= PURDUE University United States
99= University of SOUTHAMPTON United Kingdom
101 - 200
101 VANDERBILT University United States
102= University of NORTH CAROLINA United States
102= University of SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA United States
104 University of LEEDS United Kingdom
105 PENNSYLVANIA STATE University United States
106= University of ADELAIDE Australia
106= University of ZURICH Switzerland
108 University College DUBLIN Ireland
109 TECHNION - Israel Institute of Technolog... Israel
110 GEORGETOWN University United States
111 MAASTRICHT University Netherlands
112 TOHOKU University Japan
113 FUDAN University China
114 TEL AVIV University Israel
115 University of VIENNA Austria
116 Université catholique de LOUVAIN (UCL) Belgium
117= MCMASTER University Canada
117= QUEEN'S University Canada
119 University of ROCHESTER United States
120 NAGOYA University Japan
121 OHIO STATE University United States
122= DURHAM University United Kingdom
122= University of MARYLAND United States
124= National TAIWAN University Taiwan
124= University of OTAGO New Zealand
126 ERASMUS University Rotterdam Netherlands
127 STONY BROOK University United States
128 EINDHOVEN University of Technology Netherlands
129 University of WATERLOO Canada
130 University of SUSSEX United Kingdom
131 University of BASEL Switzerland
132 University of CALIFORNIA, Irvine United States
133= CARDIFF University United Kingdom
133= Technical University of DENMARK Denmark
133= University of LIVERPOOL United Kingdom
136 University of GHENT Belgium
137= Freie Universität BERLIN Germany
137= TEXAS A&M University United States
139 HUMBOLDT-Universität zu Berlin Germany
140 Ecole normale supérieure de LYON France
141 University of Science and Technology of ... China
142 WAGENINGEN University Netherlands
143 NANJING University China
144= SHANGHAI JIAO TONG University China
144= University of GRONINGEN Netherlands
146 University of ARIZONA United States
147= CITY University of Hong Kong Hong Kong
147= Universität FREIBURG Germany
149 Université Pierre-et-Marie-Curie PARIS V... France
150 Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México ... Mexico
151 RUTGERS, The State University of New Jer... United States
152 University of BATH United Kingdom
153 University of ABERDEEN United Kingdom
154 Indian Institute of Technology Delhi (II... India
155= Eberhard Karls Universität TÜBINGEN Germany
155= VU University AMSTERDAM Netherlands
157 TUFTS University United States
158 KYUSHU University Japan
159 The University of WESTERN ONTARIO Canada
160 QUEEN MARY, University of London United Kingdom
161 University of LAUSANNE Switzerland
162= CHALMERS University of Technology Sweden
162= NEWCASTLE University, NEWCASTLE Upon Tyn... United Kingdom
164 SIMON FRASER University Canada
165 University of FLORIDA United States
166= CHULALONGKORN University Thailand
166= Universität GÖTTINGEN Germany
168 University of NOTRE DAME United States
169 Universität FRANKFURT am Main Germany
170= INDIANA University Bloomington United States
170= University of CALGARY Canada
170= University of LANCASTER United Kingdom
173 KTH, ROYAL Institute of Technology Sweden
174= HOKKAIDO University Japan
174= Indian Institute of Technology Bombay (I... India
174= RENSSELAER Polytechnic Institute United States
177= University of LEICESTER United Kingdom
177= University of OSLO Norway
179 University of CAPE TOWN South Africa
180= University of COLORADO at Boulder United States
180= WASEDA University Japan
182 MACQUARIE University Australia
183= Lomonosov MOSCOW STATE University Russia
183= Université Libre de BRUXELLES (ULB) Belgium
185 BRANDEIS University United States
186= University of BARCELONA Spain
186= University of CANTERBURY New Zealand
188= POHANG University of Science and Technol... Korea, South
188= Technische Universität BERLIN Germany
190 Universität STUTTGART Germany
191 University of MASSACHUSETTS, Amherst United States
192= University of BERN Switzerland
192= University of BOLOGNA Italy
194 University of READING United Kingdom
195 University of ANTWERP Belgium
196 University of SAO PAULO Brazil
197= DALHOUSIE University Canada
197= University of BUENOS AIRES Argentina
199 KOBE University Japan
200= University of ATHENS Greece
ND 168th, thats all I have to say.
#1 US public school
. . . in the entire world.
that UCLA is ranked ahead of UC Berkley?
University of BATH United Kingdom
Where's University of Rinse and Repeat
not so many SEC & Big 12 schools.
Hell you could even throw in University of Chicago, because someone who's name escapes me now, post that U of Chicago was one hell of a rival 80 some odd yrs ago.
GO Blue and Go Big Ten Academics!!
Actually, U of Chicago is part of the Big Ten, academically speaking. They are part of the Big Ten's academic consortium (meaning they participate in sharing library resources, professorial exchanges, etc.). So, when talking about Big Ten academic superiority, and some buffoon begs to differ, point out that the Big Ten includes the U of Chicago. They simply chose not to compete athletically in the Big Ten anymore back ~ WWII (they're a Div. III school now, FWIW). Re: rankings, I think some of it goes simply on reputation, and UM has an outstanding reputation internationally (UM draws in a lot of top-tier internat'l students, as you may have noticed). I've lived and travelled all over the world the past 20 years, and I have yet to go ANYWHERE where the University of Michigan is not instantly recognized and respected. Does that really mean we deserve to be #18? If that's the perception of UM abroad, subjective as it is, then yes.
Actually, U of Chicago is part of the Big Ten, academically speaking. They are part of the Big Ten's academic consortium (meaning they participate in sharing library resources, professorial exchanges, etc.). So, when talking about Big Ten academic superiority, and some buffoon begs to differ, point out that the Big Ten includes the U of Chicago. They simply chose not to compete athletically in the Big Ten anymore back ~ WWII (they're a Div. III school now, FWIW).
Re: rankings, I think some of it goes simply on reputation, and UM has an outstanding reputation internationally (UM draws in a lot of top-tier internat'l students, as you may have noticed). I've lived and travelled all over the world the past 20 years, and I have yet to go ANYWHERE where the University of Michigan is not instantly recognized and respected. Does that really mean we deserve to be #18? If that's the perception of UM abroad, subjective as it is, then yes.
to have a hidden "12" in it. I was just getting used to the stealth "11".
Hey, where's Eastern?
My alma mater clocks in at #90. Not too bad.
90 CASE WESTERN RESERVE University United States
Still the best school in Ohio.
And the only Spartans I'll ever root for.
Before anyone calls me out for being a random Michigan fan with no connection to the school, I have a Michigan degree as well, Case was my undergrad.
Our ranking in USNWR was 26th between UCLA (25) and USC (27) and that only included US schools. I like the world rankings better. GO BLUE!
Though I don't know exactly how these rankings were done, my guess is that it is similar in many respects to USNWR. These are all flawed in my opinion. You simply can't rate an entire school collectively. The only appropriate way to do it is to rank by department. The Gourman report does this, ranking things like department goals, structure of the concentration(s) they provide, amount of opportunities that are provided (i.e. research experience), how well respected the professors are in their field, etc. This in my opinion is the best ranking system that I've seen. They don't care about SAT scores (which are really only an indicator of how much money you make) and they don't rank UM's super awesome business school with other good, but not as outstanding programs at UM.
UVA at 96th? Below Minny?
I question this list.
But I would, wouldn't I?
You sure can't tell Michigan's academic prowess by some of the commenters on this blog lately.
Damn, Ohio State made the list. Was hoping they'd be several hundred spots lower.
They don't publish the methodology behind the rankings on the link. It seems a little bit boo-hakey. Some of the ranks are VERY odd.
You can't make any conclusions off this, for all we know some columnist sat down and made a list of his favorite schools.
From The Times site:
"The rankings – which are now in their fifth year – are based on surveys of academics and graduate employers about which they consider the best universities in their fields, the ratio of students to academics, the proportion of overseas students and staff at each university, and the number of times research by each university’s academics is quoted in other journals."
So - 1, it's extremely subjective, because no academic type would ever play favorites or have any reason to be anything but totally objective in how they see other schools.
And 2, proportion of overseas students and staff doesn't seem at all useful; at least, it ought to be pretty far down the list. Kind of a silly thing to have so high up.
Not bashing U-M's spot on the rankings. Just seems like a really useless methodology.
This is an international list, though, so it makes sense that they are looking at global influence.
Suck it, Uppsala! WOO!
there was a breakdown in US New and World Report between overall ranking and academic reputation, which sounds a little like what this list is. In 1997 we were ranked #7 for academic reputation in the US despite being I think 20th overall. To be honest, as much as I love football, I think I am more pissed off about our dropoff in academic ranking than athletic. After all, I hold a degree from U of M, not a letterman's jacket. Still nice to know that our reputation is pretty good internationally.
I don't see how Oxford can be ranked ahead of Michigan. Their schedule is weak -- Manchester, Leeds etc. out of conference -- and that should be taken into account for obvious reasons.
Now if maybe I moved out of state, this would actually help me get a job.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here by jumping to conclusions. For all we know, they could be talking about UM-Dearborn.
Imagine my shock to look over this entire list and not find Michigan State University. And after all these years of my MSU friends telling me about how State is just as good a school as UM and in many ways better, and so on. I realize the rating system is flawed, but not even in the top 200? There must be some kind of mistake...
I could've sworn I saw MSU at #23...
Oh. My bad. Wrong list.
Maybe Jelani Jenkins can work this into his Matrix! Woo!!
In 1997 we were ranked #7 for academic reputation in the US despite being I think 20th overall. To be honest, as much as I love football, I think I am more pissed off about our dropoff in academic ranking than athletic. After all, I hold a degree from U of M, not a letterman's jacket. Still nice to know that our reputation is pretty good internationally.
There hasn't been any dropoff. In fact, the quality of our student body has presumably been getting better and better as our admissions standards have been getting progressively tougher. The reason we're always on the fringe of the top 25 in U.S. News's rankings is almost solely due to one category: "Alumni Giving Rate." Like most public schools, we have a relatively low rate of alumni donations (we're like 150th in the country), and that one criterion drags our overall ranking down considerably (as it does for all of the public schools on U.S. News's list). If you look at their criterion called "Academic Reputation," we're consistently above Northwestern and just a notch beneath the Ivies.
The anti-Michigan? Notre Dame, which is well beneath us in the academic repuation category, but always ranks among the top 5 schools nationwide in alumni giving rate (and is frequently #1). That one category saves ND's bacon in these ratings.
this pretty much proves to me how stupid all the geeks are taking over football idea is. Wisconsin, Cal, Texas, Illinois, and Michigan are all better at Vandy in academics (supposedly) and those schools have actual good football teams. Looks like the geeks have already taken over football, nice try vanderbilt
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