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By Ann Arbor Cardinal — November 25th, 2010 at 12:50 AM — 74 comments
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I normally enjoy reading Bob Wojnowski's articles - especially when he reports secret conversations from lockerooms - but his latest article is nothing more than his opinion clothed in conjecture and made-up facts. Coach-talk normally doesn't interest me - especially during OSU week - and I recognize there are legitimate arguments supporting the various opinions on Michigan's head coach. But I couldn't leave Mr. Wojnowski's article without comment. It can be found here:

http://detnews.com/article/20101124/OPINION03/11240324/Rich-Rodriguez-needs-to-go-if-Buckeyes-whip-Wolverines-again#ixzz16GX9YSAG

He starts with this:

For nearly three years, we've waited for some sign, some signature moment of clarity.

I don't know if he's trying to be poetic or dramatic or what, nor do I know who is with him when he refers to "we", but the only thing I've been waiting for are wins. I don't care if they come unannounced and  not indorsed; I'm happy when Michigan beats other teams. We've had things we thought were signs and signature moments of clarity, but those turned out to be ephemeral. After nearly three years, Mr. Wojnowski, we simply want wins.

After the introductory paragraphs, Mr. Wojnowski turns to a topic he labels "Troubling Track Record". This track record extends way back in time, all the way back to. . .2008. Yes, Mr. Rodriguez - who has been a coach in at least some capacity for 25 years - is being judged entirely on a time period which includes significant portions with Mr. Sheridan as starting quarterback. Mr. Rodriguez's track record is not only not troubling, it's the reason he was offered the Michigan job: his track record at every level is almost phenomenal. That doesn't prove he will ultimately perform similarly at Michigan, but it certainly doesn't mean the opposite: Mr. Wojnowski takes an obvious positive of Mr. Rodriguez's - his track record - and turns it into a negative.

In this section on the troubling track record, Mr. Wojnowski states that

It no longer matters how the program got to this point, whether it was the messy transition from the Lloyd Carr era, the spread offense that caused player transfers, injuries, recruiting miscalculations or simply the failures of Rodriguez and his staff.


It is unclear why a person - in this case the head coach - should be held responsible for something he had no control over. If Michigan's failures - such as they are - are the direct result of "Rodriguez and his staff", it makes sense to fire him. If Michigan is not 11-0 right now because of things that Mr. Rodriguez could ultimately overcome - such as a messy transition, transfers, or an unusually high number of injuries - it makes sense to retain him. Mr. Wojnowski would have Michigan make decisions without knowing why it is making decisions. That makes as much sense as a doctor prescribing drugs without knowing your symptoms. So "how we got to this point" might be the only question worth asking, when discussing Mr. Rodriguez's job security.

After showing how the program has no chance to recover under Mr. Rodriguez, Mr. Wojnowski moves to the main point of his article: explaining why Michigan needs Mr. Harbaugh and needs him now.

Now, it's about finding the best and quickest way to fix it.

Anytime I hear "quick" and "fix" in the same sentence regarding a car, house, or football program, I get a little suspicious.

Oh, and the guy clearly can coach. Harbaugh is 10-1 in his fourth season at Stanford, 27-21 overall and 56-27 as a college coach.

Conveniently, Mr. Wojnowski uses Mr. Harbaugh's entire coaching career and best season when describing his "track record". (Wikipedia says that Mr. Rodriguez is 120-81-2 as a head coach, if that matters.)

Stanford plays traditional power football, and that could cause another tricky transition at Michigan, although I think he could work with Robinson.

This may be one of the most misleading statements written about Michigan this year.

First, switching from Mr. Rodriguez to Mr. Harbaugh "could" be "tricky"? How about - to quote him from earlier - will absolutely be messy? Michigan has tiny men who are unnaturally quick. A standard Wisconsin running back makes the offensive line look small. The players have spent the last couple years learning a system that is not "traditional power football", meaning they would have to start over learning a new system. And he is willing only to say that such a transition would be tricky? As if the only thing Mr. Harbaugh would need to do to be 10-2 his first year is tread carefully? Another 3-9, 5-7, 7-5 sequence is more likely.

Mr. Wojnowski does not elaborate on how Mr. Harbaugh would work with Mr. Robinson. Does he mean in some kind of business they start after he is graduated? Will Mr. Robinson maybe be some kind of assistant coach? Because I know Mr. Wojnowski cannot mean that Mr. Harbaugh would consider a relatively short and relatively light player as a quarterback in a "traditional power football" scheme. Maybe he could return punts and kicks - that would be lots of fun to see. Mr. Robinson - if I remember correctly - wasn't heavily recruited as a quarterback, and for good reason: he doesn't fit as a quarterback in very many systems. Mr. Wojnowski recognizes how ridiculous it would be to say that he would be the quarterback in a "traditional power football" system, so he leaves it at the vague and misleading, "[Mr. Harbaugh] could work with Robinson."

From three victories, to five, to seven and bowl eligibility usually constitutes job-saving progress. But this isn't a normal situation, especially when you factor in the NCAA violations.

Why does it have to be "job-saving progress"? Why can't it just be progress? As I mentioned at the beginning, "we" are not looking for signs or signature moments: we're looking for wins. And we're getting them. As fast as we would like? Of course not. But how do we know what would have happened if someone else would have taken over in 2008 - for example, Mr. Miles? Would he have gone 3-9 the first year and have 7 wins his third year? Maybe no one could have done much better than 15 wins over these last three years. We don't know. But regardless, Mr. Wojnowski knows it's not enough: he hasn't achieved what may have been impossible.

Again, Mr. Wojnowski resorts to cursory references to give a certain impression not reflecting reality. "NCAA violations" standing by itself sounds exactly as Mr. Wojnowski wants it to sound: ominous and serious. Anyone who read the most abbreviated summary of the actual events and findings knows otherwise. Perhaps Mr. Wojnowski is hoping some of his readers aren't familiar with the facts and findings.

Michigan might not get another opportunity to grab a prodigal son like Harbaugh, who's also likely interested in the NFL.
 

This is a reason to pursue Mr. Harbaugh? That he's interested in the NFL? Why would his interest wane at Michigan? We've seen what happens if you don't win the Big Ten three years after arrival. He may not be as loyal as we want to believe. His comments in a previous year suggest as much. Say what you want about Mr. Miles, but he wouldn't leave Michigan if once hired, nor would he disparage Michigan just because it suited his present interests. Quite the opposite, based on the coaching search a couple years ago. He went out of his way to speak well of Michigan. Mr. Harbaugh went out of his way to speak ill of Michigan. If it suited his purposes, he may be as quick to coach in the NFL as Mr. Wojnowski is to hire him. Look what happened at Notre Dame when they hired a quick fix whom everyone thought would run off to the NFL: they gave him an enormous salary to convince him to stay at Notre Dame so they could fire him a few years later.

Mr. Wojnowski then goes on to explain why, really, it would be better for everyone, including Mr. Rodriguez, if Michigan got a new head coach.

Sometimes, you wonder why he ever left his alma mater, West Virginia, for such a profound change, and then you realize why.

He wanted to test himself and his offense, to show it could work in the big, bold Big Ten.

This is where Mr. Wojnowski most obviously conflates his fanciful lockeroom conversations and actual reporting. My job has nothing to do with sports or Michigan, yet even I know why Mr. Rodriguez left West Virginia. Mr. Wojnowski's job is sports in Michigan, yet he apparently doesn't know something that was reported repeatedly in something with which Mr. Wojnowksi should be familiar: newspapers. I can't be bothered to go back and look at the quotes, but I remember Mr. Rodriguez had serious disagreements with the administration at WVU and even a politician or two. Apparently Mr. Wojnowski also can't be bothered to go back and look at the quotes.

Also, I don't remember any great longing that Mr. Rodriguez had to prove himself in the "big, bold Big Ten". (Is it a new drink someone is promoting or a conference?) I do remember something about the year before coming to Michigan, Mr. Rodriguez almost went to a different school; Alabama, I think. Again, neither Mr. Wojnowksi nor I can be bothered to take a minute to search on the internet for this information. The difference is that I remember the facts to a certain extent, whereas he forgets the facts and makes something else up instead. And gets paid for it. While I sit here typing in my cave.

Since I am clearly using my time poorly, I end this here. Again, this is not meant to be a proof that Mr. Rodriguez should get another year or another ten years or whatever, nor does it prove that Mr. Harbaugh would fail or ultimately be a poor choice as head coach. It's just evidence that Mr. Wojnowksi should not be consulted on the matter and that, when discussing anything, really, people like to come to conclusions first and then make up things which support those conclusions.

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November 25th, 2010 at 1:16 AM | No offense (and no negs to you from me), (Score:1)
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but I really don't think we need a parade of diaries dissecting bad journalist columns.  There are dozens about us daily, most of them bad, and most not worth reading.

You did a good job analyzing this, and I appreciate your good comments.  I just don't have any interest in reading about it here.  If I cared, I'd go read it at the DN or FP, or wherever it is.

So thanks for your good efforts, anyway. 

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November 25th, 2010 at 11:15 AM | ? Copycat rumor mongering? (Score:1)
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With Dave Brandon's tweet dismissing the notion of a Monday morning announcement, does anyone know what caused the sudden surge in RR job status rumor mongering? It seems all of a sudden that a variety of print and TV columnists and commentators were all pushing the same line - that the OSU game was make or break, that RR's fate was decided.

? A common source of these rumors ? Or just copycat activity ? Is this someone in the Athletic Department causing these shenanigans?

I don't recall what the media was like in Columbus, OH around the time of Earle Bruce's ouster (1987) or John Cooper's last days (2000) ? Was it like this ? Arguably both of those coaches had decent records 8-9 win seasons and probably one of the few coaches to be let go or forced out after 8 or 9 win seasons.

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November 25th, 2010 at 9:35 PM | John Cooper//WoJo article (Score:1)
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I live in Columbus area and while some liked John Cooper (BTW, he still lives here and is still involved in OSU functions), the fans and the media really disliked him.   Every year, especially the last few, it was almost a given that no matter how good OSU was, Cooper would find a way to lose the game against M.  As the saying goes," the saddest day in MIchigan FB history is the day Ohio State fired John Cooper." 

I commented on the DetNews website about the WoJo article.  I think it is a bunch of crap and is very shallow and short term in its thinking.   While I want M to kick the crap out of Ohio State this weekend, I realize they are heavy underdogs.   But I also look at this team and think it has a great future.   Leave RR alone to do the job he was hired to do.

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November 25th, 2010 at 1:06 AM | I hope you enjoyed your stay (Score:1)
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I hope you enjoyed your stay on MGoBlog.  In the future, don't be a dick and get a life. 

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November 25th, 2010 at 1:35 AM | That, or he has 4000 points (Score:1)
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That, or he has 4000 points because he posts worthwhile, witty, or insightful material and is consequently rewarded with points by his fellow MGoBloggers.

I hate the "you read this blog a lot, you must have no life" vitriol. For my part, I have 4000 points. I am also in medical school, teach MCAT prep classes, have run two marathons in the past 4 months, volunteer at a free clinic, and have a steady girlfriend. It's called being a contributing member of society and managing your life responsibly. Don't be a dick.

Edit: In case this guy gets banned, note that this directed to Spoof Football.

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November 25th, 2010 at 1:35 AM | wow (Score:1)
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two marathons in 4 months while being in med school?  Damn.  You're making me feel insignficiant.  :-(

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November 25th, 2010 at 2:15 AM | perhaps... (Score:1)
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but does your GIRLFRIEND have 4000 points?

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November 25th, 2010 at 3:23 AM | gf (Score:1)
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and [I] have a steady girlfriend

Pics or it didn't happen!

If only Coach Mo hadn't gotten so drunk.

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November 25th, 2010 at 9:41 AM | Love how you... (Score:1)
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...made sure your post would point to the troll after he's caved by the mods. The mark of a truly experienced MGoUser.

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November 25th, 2010 at 11:57 AM | Excellent note. (Score:1)
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Excellent note.

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November 26th, 2010 at 12:29 PM | I negged you (Score:1)
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For making me feel worthless.

 

EDIT: directed at Tarheel, the alignment got messed

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November 25th, 2010 at 5:11 AM | I am also in medical school, (Score:1)
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I am also in medical school, teach MCAT prep classes, have run two marathons in the past 4 months, volunteer at a free clinic, and have a steady girlfriend. It's called being a contributing member of society and managing your life responsibly. Don't be a dick.

Boom! MGoTarHeel'd.

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November 25th, 2010 at 1:14 AM | Face It? (Score:1)
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Face what? All I can see are trees, am I in a forest or something? Damn I hate when this happens!

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November 25th, 2010 at 1:20 AM | IJJS... (Score:1)
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What happened Staller?  Did MySpace finally ban your last profile pretending to be a 17 year old girl?  Did your ex-wife tell you that your kids don't want to see you over the holidays this year?  Did they finally find out their father is a massive message board jacknozzle? Did you finally give in and fuck that sheep? 

I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.

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November 25th, 2010 at 11:17 AM | Which meltdown is more pathetic? (Score:1)
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The Spoof Football meltdown in this thread or your Barking Sphincter meltdown where you were completely exposed?

http://mgoblog.com/diaries/calling-out-defenders-rodriguez

I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.

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November 25th, 2010 at 1:53 AM | @Troll, I mean, Spoof. (Score:1)
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Okay, I get it, you don't like Rodriguez.

If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone

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November 25th, 2010 at 1:13 PM | How the hell am I a troll (Score:1)
cp4three2
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I was just pointing out to contradictions to the orginal poster's statement.  Harbaugh has a better track record than Weis did and he has run Luck in the read option, there's no reason to believe that if he came the offensive transition would be a disaster. 

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November 25th, 2010 at 1:14 PM | Nevermind, sorry (Score:1)
cp4three2
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Misread your subject line.

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November 25th, 2010 at 1:11 AM | Weis had no solid college coaching record (Score:1)
cp4three2
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and was never a head coach.  Also, we don't know if the offensive transition would be "messy" or not.  There's no reason to think that we couldn't be able to play a prostyle offense using more shotgun than I as we transition back to a power football offense.

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November 25th, 2010 at 1:20 AM | Wojo? (Score:1)
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Wojo is a professional smartass who is usually very entertaining.  He is excellent at both sarcasm and mock-heroic satire.  He only sucks when he tries his hand at serious journalism.  Yesterday was obviously one of those times.

 

 

 

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November 25th, 2010 at 11:31 AM | see ya! (Score:1)
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You'd better hope they have tv in Bolivian.

Touchdown Michigan!

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November 25th, 2010 at 1:54 AM | None Of Wojo's Column Makes Sense (Score:1)
Slinginsam
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This is nonsense for a number of reasons.  First, Dave Brandon cannot talk to Harbaugh without Stanford's permission, so this isn't a slam-dunk hire.  Second, why would Harbaugh be in such a  hurry to leave at this very moment?  He has gone so far in a stellar 10-1 season, why not finish the job?   Would he suddenly  jump ship out of the blue at this point?  I imagine he wants to coach Stanford in the Rose or Sugar Bowl.

And finally, more realistically, what happens if/when Harbaugh says "NO" to a Michigan overture?  I doubt Brandon wants to start a national coaching search, when he already has a decent guy at the helm.  Tweaking the defensive coaching staff just might work.

Wojo, progress is being made, albeit more slowly than you would like.   Changes may be forethcoming, but, whoa, Nellie...down boy.

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November 25th, 2010 at 10:02 AM | as long as (Score:1)
Mi Sooner
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Tweaking the defensive coaching staff means a total house cleaning, I am with you.

Born in Oklahoma
Raised in Ohio
Escaped to Meechigan

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November 25th, 2010 at 7:27 PM | I'm guessing Wojo was drunk when he wrote that column. (Score:1)
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Not sayin' he was -- just guessin'.

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November 26th, 2010 at 2:58 AM | That's what intermediaries are for (Score:1)
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Harbaugh could always change his mind, or be playing DB behind the scenes, but these types of indirect feelers do reduce the risk.

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November 25th, 2010 at 2:06 AM | This dumb rumor keeps spreading! (Score:1)
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Jim would never leave his team after they have a great chance of ending the season at 10-1 with a Rose Bowl on the line.  I don't think Dave would ever talk to Jim without going through the proper channels.  If Dave does decide to make a change it would probably be after the bowl season. At any rate, I sure hope RR and the team can keep the OSU game close, and win their bowl game!

Even the SFO chronicle is picking up on this rumor  SFO .

expect the best

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November 25th, 2010 at 2:27 AM | this is what irks me... (Score:1)
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...and a caveat: I've strayed away from making pointed remarks regarding the coaching search.  But this will be succinct.

The FireRod crowd has already crowned Harbaugh the savior of the program, yet there's very few alternative scenarios playing out in their heads.  Say RR gets canned and we don't get Harbaugh: who do we hire?  Crickets. 

I'm afraid a coaching search conducted at this point in history may prove to be infinitely more difficult than it was in 2007, a year in which I still believe we snagged one of the best in college football that was available at the time, and given the right personnel and batch of upperclassmen, will demonstrate why he's still one of the best.

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November 25th, 2010 at 2:34 AM | I really think that the (Score:1)
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I really think that the writers write articles to  entertain themselves and other writers. I will read a game summary/recap but rarely will I read a sports columinists piece because its usually shit and filled with fluff. Its like talk radio, they just talk about shit just to talk about it. They give their opinions and its not worth any more than yours or mine.

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November 25th, 2010 at 3:23 AM | Sportswriters are like a more (Score:1)
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Sportswriters are like a more useless version of the music critic.

"Gee, I wonder how that new Walkmen album sounds. I guess could read reviews. Or I could just go to Youtube and listen to a couple tracks."

"Gee, I wonder what is going to happen to Rich. I guess I could read speculation in the paper.  Or I could just watch the game and watch the press conference online."

All they have is being entertaining.  And being extremely positive or negative is what goes for being entertaining. Right now it is kosher to rip on Michigan and Rodriguez, so the negative pieces will flow forth.

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November 25th, 2010 at 7:29 PM | music critic = sports writer (Score:1)
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Spot on.  Spot frickin' on.

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November 25th, 2010 at 3:47 AM | Mike Royko (Score:1)
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Forget the News or Press, pick up Royko's Sez Who Sez Me. Better to read something good at least you will enjoy it.

Uferfan1

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November 25th, 2010 at 7:10 AM | I love (Score:1)
HAIL-YEA
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how fast you all turn on Wojo the second he writes something you disagree with. The man is an excellent comumnist..he wrote an opinion piece..take it at that. If you disagree, that's fine, but the points he makes are legitimate  facts..his solution you all may not like but that does not all the sudden make him  this dumbass douche you all are making  him out to be. Wojo is a good writer and a good person..he cares about this program 

How can you kill that which has no life

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November 25th, 2010 at 7:24 AM | Good writer? (Score:1)
cbuswolverine
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Sometimes, you wonder why he ever left his alma mater, West Virginia, for such a profound change, and then you realize why.

He wanted to test himself and his offense, to show it could work in the big, bold Big Ten.

Stuff like this belongs in a high school newspaper.

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November 25th, 2010 at 8:35 AM | no he isnt a douche (Score:1)
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but he is a fuck!

oh no he didnt!

 

 

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November 25th, 2010 at 1:01 PM | Not an opinion piece (Score:1)
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There's a difference between opinion and facts.  The Wojo column attempts, as is shown above, to clumsily marry the two in order to reach a conclusion not supported by the facts.  For example, his Friday college football columns are purely opinion; his latest column was merely trying to justify what appears to be conventional wisdom at his (dying) newspaper.

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November 25th, 2010 at 12:09 PM | I'm not sure (Score:1)
ChalmersE
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what I would do if I were Dave Brandon or even what I would tell him if he asked, but consider the following two points:

-- Assume that Lloyd had stayed three more years and had announced that Saturday was his last game.  Also assume that RR had stayed at WVa for those three years and WVa had performed even better than it did after he left.   So now your top two candidates for the Michigan job that is opening next week are RR and Harbaugh, who would you pick?

-- Second, if Brandon does stick with RR, doesn't he almost have to give him an extension after all the angst over the last two years?  If he doesn't, how do you think recruiting is going to go next year as the rumors start to build up again?

Brandon has some tough decisions to make.

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November 25th, 2010 at 1:10 PM | An interesting question, hypothetically (Score:1)
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The unknown is how Rodriguez would have done at WVU if he'd stayed.  I think it is reasonable to assume that, with Pat White and Slaton coming back, Rodriguez would've had a similar season to his near national championship team of 2007.  It is also reasonable to assume that, with the weakening of the Big East since '07, his trend of 1 and 2 loss seasons would have continued as well.  So the questions is: would you pick a coach with multiple 10+ win seasons in a row over a coach who has one 10 win season to his name?  I have to go with Rodriguez on that one, based on resume alone.  (although you can't really go wrong with either resume)

Of course, the other side of that equation would have been Carr's influence over the hire.  If Carr finishes strong with a couple of Rose Bowl appearances, then he might have some more influence in the decision, and Harbaugh gets hired.  If not, and his teams had fallen into mediocrity, it's possible the AD would have been looking for something new for the program.  Vote for Rodriguez.

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November 25th, 2010 at 9:36 PM | If Carr was still coach, the (Score:1)
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If Carr was still coach, the Michigan roster would favor a coach like Harbaugh.  Denard Robinson would not be at Michigan, Steven Threet might.  This is a futile exercise....

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November 26th, 2010 at 12:02 AM | Or the QB might be.... (Score:1)
Doughboy1917
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Ryan Mallett?

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November 25th, 2010 at 10:35 AM | THANK YOU (Score:1)
MGoLiteral
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I love it when people dissect the piles of crap that journalists write. I loved it when Brian used to rebut all of the misleading lines written in a FreeP story.

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November 25th, 2010 at 11:07 AM | Likewise, I could dissect the (Score:1)
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Likewise, I could dissect the pile of crap response the author of this thread composed.  Trashing someone else's opinion with so called facts based on your own opinions don't prove anything.  But, it is Thanksgiving Day, and thankfully I have better things to do.  Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

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November 25th, 2010 at 1:06 PM | Yes...lost last 6 to OSU (Score:1)
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Who lost 4 of those 6? I am not an LC hater but UM was in dire condition upon his departure and he knew it.  Lets not think that the bottom fell out against OSU when RR showed up. Unfortunately UM has been chasing OSU for the entire Tressell era. I live with it every year in the Dayton OH area where I live.

Brian CK

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November 25th, 2010 at 1:08 PM | FWIW (Score:1)
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Harbaugh can work with DR because he won a national championship at U. of San Diego with a similar quarterback and spread scheme. Furthermore, Stanford a private school has greater academic restriction on recruiting and when Harbaugh took over the team had a record of 1-10. Within four years, despite vastly inferior facilities and tougher recruiting standards he has elevated the program to a top ten team.

RR's record for three years is taking a team that beat Florida in a bowl game  (which won the national championship the following year) to last place in the big ten.  What Wojo is referring to is what most posters acknowledge. The disparity between the better teams in the BIg Ten and Michigan has never been greater. Next year will be a carbon copy of this year. So what is the point to keep him? Is it all about hope?

Remember this. The longer he stays the longer it will take to get back to national prominence. BY then it may be too late. The program will have degenerated to Indiana levels with interest turning to basketball or hockey.

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November 25th, 2010 at 8:57 PM | Well, RR did lose to (Score:1)
cali4444
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Well, RR did lose to toledo...a poor team even by MAC standards. Appy state was a much better team than Toledo, unless you're delusional.  That '07 Michigan team did get stronger as the year went on, and as was noted, beat Florida in the bowl.  If RR's teams got stronger as the year went on, his job wouldn't be on the line. Instead his teams get banged up and weaker in the second half of the season.  I think if DB can get JH then RR is gone regardless of the outcome Saturday.  If Harbaugh won't come, RR just may come back.

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November 26th, 2010 at 8:39 AM | Give me a fucking break! (Score:1)
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"I think if DB can get JH then RR is gone regardless of the outcome Saturday.  If Harbaugh won't come, RR just may come back"

 

LMFAO!!! Like you know what the fuck DB is thinking! All you JH ass clowns just write what you fucking read from the newspapers and hear on Sports radio! No where from inside MI has anyone said JH is being looked at, or any other coach for that matter!

 

Until the time, if it happens (which I hope it does not) shut the fuck up about JH or any other coach that the media brings up, because they also have no fucking clue!

No matter how bad it is, you never know until the game is played!

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November 27th, 2010 at 11:06 AM | You sound intelligent.  (Score:1)
hurricaneESQ
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You sound intelligent. 

Those who stay will be champions - those who leave will be mocked.

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November 25th, 2010 at 2:20 PM | Please explain why next year (Score:1)
This is Michigan
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Please explain why next year will be a carbon copy of this year? You have no factual evidence that points to this happening.

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November 25th, 2010 at 2:12 PM | my first thought was the columnist was a total idiot... (Score:1)
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Anyone who starts with a heading like this: "Rich Rodriguez needs to go if Buckeyes whip Wolverines again" when, just by how this year has gone is a near certainly, is an idiot. If he wants to say Rodriguez should be fired, he should flat out say he thinks Rodriguez should be fired - not try to couch it in an unrealistic if/then in an attempt to make it appear he isn't flat on the side of having Rich Rod fired.

 

Gah!


 

Italy, really? Why can't they at least move me to Paris. Damn it.

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November 25th, 2010 at 2:29 PM | Yes, it is indeed his (Score:1)
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Yes, it is indeed his opinion. That's exactly what it is. That's what opinion columnists are for: they offer their opinions. I'm not sure why you seem to think that's wrong. He does cover the sport, you'll recall. He does know the players, coaches, administration. Had he voiced an opinion that RR shouldn't be fired, you wouldn't have written this, right? Think about it.  

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November 25th, 2010 at 4:14 PM | My primary issue with Wojo (Score:1)
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I like Wojo a lot, but in addition to the valid points raised by the OP, my main issue with Wojo's column:

Sometimes, you wonder why he ever left his alma mater, West Virginia, for such a profound change, and then you realize why.

He wanted to test himself and his offense, to show it could work in the big, bold Big Ten.

Forget about proving his offense in the Big Ten; it was about the opportunity to coach at the most storied program in college football, the leaders and best. No matter how much love RR had for WVU, he knew that Michigan is the pinnacle, the best tradition, the best opportunity and the best resources a coaching staff could possibly have. That is not my opinion or speculation, that's from RR himself. That's why he came to Michigan, not some made up "prove his offense" reason.

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