If the Gator and Insight have the "4/5" pick how is it determined who gets 4 and who gets 5?
WInEx's Big Ten Bowl Outlook
Big Ten play is done for this week, so lets look at the bowl outlook.
First the standings (from Bigten.org)
|11 Michigan State||6-1||201||150||4-0||2-1||10-1||348||219||7-0||3-1||2-1|
|8 Ohio State||6-1||236||98||3-0||3-1||10-1||436||153||7-0||3-1||1-1|
First, we eliminate the non-qualifier teams for bowl games based on already having 7 losses overall. These are Purdue, Minnesota, and Indiana.
So the bowl placement standings (based on overall record w/ conf standings in parenthesis) are:
Wisconsin, 10-1 (6-1), tiebreaker with best BCS ranking
Ohio St, 10-1 (6-1), higher BCS than MSU
Mich St, 10-1 (6-1)
Iowa, 7-4 (4-3)
Penn St, 7-4 (4-3)
Northwestern, 7-4 (3-4)
Michigan, 7-4 (3-4)
Illinois, 6-5 (4-4)
The only remaining question with one week of play left is how many BCS teams the Big Ten is going to get... I'm going to analyze that tomorrow when the BCS standings are released. For this, I'm going to go on the current standings and expect that next week, Wisconsin, Ohio St, Michigan St, & Iowa are going to win (favorites). We'll also assume Illinois will beat Fresno St on the road. That would mean we would have standings that would look like this:
1) Wisconsin, 11-1 (Rose Bowl, BCS autobid as highest BCS team in 3-way tie)
Ohio St, 11-1 (BCS at-large, Sugar or Orange Bowl)
Michigan St, 11-1
2) Iowa, 8-4
3) Penn St 7-5
For the bowls, I'll go in order of selection:
Capitol One Bowl
First pick after BCS Bowls. MICHIGAN STATE. This one is easy as Michigan St is the co-champ and can't be by-passed by anyother Big Ten teams for this slot. Looking at playing the top SEC that doesn't make a BCS game, so likely LSU, or So Carolina, but if the Cocks get pasted in the SEC championship, Bama may slide in here.
Big ten #3. IOWA. Iowa being all alone in 4th place and a good traveling team makes this an easy pick as well. Hawkeyes will play the SEC 3/4/5 team, so probably Arkansas or Alabama.
Big Ten #4/5. Probably PENN ST. JoePa factor, they beat us head to head, travelling following is about equal with Michigan or maybe slightly ahead. I'll say Penn St slots above us in bowl selections. The Nittany Lions will play the SEC, probably the #6 team, so Florida or Miss St.
Big Ten #4/5. Probably MICHIGAN. When compared with the remaining selections available (NW, Illinois) we win most comparisons that matter to bowl committtees. We won head to head against Illinois, are a more "exciting" team (especially with a record setting and probable Heisman finalist Denard Robinson), and travel well to warm locations. Tempe ain't Boise so we'll probably do fairly well along with being our first bowl game in 3 years. We'll play the Big 12 #6, right now looking like Kansas St, Baylor, or Texas Tech.
Big Ten #6. ILLINOIS. Illini are a shoo-in over Northwestern now as long as they get to 7 wins, and may be a higher selection at 6 wins. It's another Big 12 opponent, so the lower of the Kansas St / Baylor / Texas Tech triumverate.
Ticket City Bowl
Big Ten #7 NORTHWESTERN. Last remaining slot for a Big Ten team that's bowl eligible (thanks Purdue!). Some confusion here as the Ticketcity Bowl website says that since its the newest bowl it has to defer its selection until all the other established bowls have selected, which by my reading would mean the Little Cesar Bowl gets the last Big Ten eligible team if there's not enough, but I could be wrong as the TCB site also says that the Big Ten is the anchor conference for the first four years... So we'll assume the Big Ten #7 goes here and plays a Big 12 team if they have enough (and it looks like they do), the last of the KSt/Baylor/Tex Tc grouping.
If-I-Have-To Projected Matchups:
Rose Bowl: Wiscy v. TCU or Boise St
Sugar Bowl: LSU v. Ohio St
Capitol One: Mich St v. South Carolina
Gator: Iowa vs. Alabama
Insight: Michigan v. K St
Texas Bowl: Illinois v. Baylor
TicketCity Bowl: Northwestern v. Texas Tech
I would say if this is the case, Big Ten is favored in Capitol One, Insight, & Texas Bowls, being underdogs in most others. But who cares? We're back in and have a winnable bowl game ahead of us....
Barring major upsets next week, this is pretty static. The only changes would occur if the Big Ten only gets one BCS team (Say Stanford and an undefeated Bosie/TCU get at-larges ahead of Ohio St or Mich St).. that happens and move everybody down one slot with Northwestern going to the Little Cesar Pizza Bowl, meaning we'd end up in the Texas Bowl, which, eh, could do worse considering the Texas Bowl is one day later than the Insight Bowl (Wed vice Tue night), Houston vice Tempe, and 6p kickoff vice 10p.
Found this on Mvictors.com, don't know if it's correct, but if it is .....
The Gator Bowl will share, with the Insight Bowl, the third and fourth pick in the Big Ten Conference after the BCS.
The Gator Bowl and the Insight Bowl will each submit, to the Big Ten Conference, their team selection…Should each Bowl desire the same team, the selection order will be decided by the flip of a coin..
[from the Gator Bowl press release distributed to U-M media]
Nice breakdown. I don't see a scenario in which the BCS doesn't pick OSU over either of those teams unless a couple of upsets occur along the way. I think the lower bowls are dreaming of UM because that would be an instant cash influx compared to the rest of the B10 teams in those positions.
In your projected matchup? They are not there
I think Penn State beats Sparty, but they'll still end up in Orlando based on the standings.
I really hope we play K State. Their run defense = our pass defense. And they don't have an explosive passing offense.
I prefer Phil Steele's projections which put Michigan in before Penn State.
If both fan bases will travel about the same (not sure I agree after a 2 year bowl drought for Michigan) isn't there just a huge difference in the buzz factor with Michigan?
I think that Sparty will lose to Penn State next weekend leaving them at 10-2 and out of the Big Ten picture. On top of that, I think that they'll get smoked in the Capital One game against a fairly high level SEC team.
Sparty has struggled with too many mediocre teams (Notre Dame, Northwestern and Purdue). At some point, that is going to catch up with them and reality will set in.
I have a weird feeling Ohio will lose too.
Please say yes.
Reality didn't set in until this year.
I'm as surprised as anyone, but even when things have looked ugly it's worked.
I don't like the idea of a 10pm start in AZ. The kids end up playing up to 1am EST, and Iowa got pasted in a similar situation. Maybe that factor gets neutralized if we play another non-pacific time zone team.
Naw. Let's play on West Coast time for once.
Will be fine. I would rather NOT play Florida...not because I am scared of them, but because playing another team would be more interesting.
Gator would be better than Insight...don't know really if PSU would be favored by them. PSU has gone to big bowls, and actually may not travel as well as Michigan THIS year.
Most important of all...1 EXTRA MONTH OF PRACTICE (WITHOUT NCAA SANCTIONS)!
I beleive the Big 12 actually gives their 4th team to the Insight Bowl. This could include Oklahoma, Missouri, or Texas A&M vs Michigan in Tempe, AZ. The Big 12 Champion goes to a BCS game. The 2nd Big 12 team goes to the Cotton Bowl if not selected for a BCS game. The 3rd Big 12 team goes to the Alamo Bowl. The 4th Big 12 team goes to the Insight Bowl if I am not mistaken.