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By Wolverine In Exile — November 14th, 2010 at 9:55 PM — 10 comments
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UPDATED: Analysis updated to accuont for mistakenly putting Fiesta ahead of Orange in this year's at-large selections..

 

BCS standings for Wk 12 as of 8:15p EST:

10. Oklahoma State

9. Ohio State

8. Nebraska

7. Wisconsin (if the Badgers, Ohio State and Michigan State all finish with one loss, Wisky goes to the Rose Bowl as the Big Ten champion)

6. Stanford

5. LSU

4. Boise State (no jump)

3. TCU (even though TCU dropped behind Boise State in the human polls)

2. Auburn

1. Oregon

Pretty much there are limited permuations of the BCS... I'm going to start with the pretty much locks:

ACC, Big East, and Big 12 will likely only get one team in the BCS game. ACC and Big East due to the general ineptness of the conferences. These will likely be:

  • ACC: winner of  Va Tech v Florida St/NC St/Maryland championship game. This winner will go to the Orange Bowl.
  • Big East: Who the hell knows... could be Pitt, West Va, Syracuse, even UConn(!). Bottom line is this team will likely be the last team picked by BCS bowls when picking opponents for the mandatory games.
  • Big 12: It now appears that the best the Big 12 could do is a conference champion with 1 loss (Ok St or Nebraska) and a 2nd place runner up with 2-losses. With the wealth of undefeated teams, 3 1-loss teams from the Big Ten, and maybe a 1-loss Stanford, I doubt a 2-loss Big 12 team is going to get picked as an at large, especially when the last at-large slot maybe in the Fiesta Bowl (more on that later). for  simplicity sake, I'll say winner of Neb / Ok St in the Big 12 champ game, fully cognizant that Oklahoma could beat Ok St and get in the champ game against Neb (but this wouldn't do any better for the Big 12 as a conference BCS wise)
  • SEC: They're probably going to get 2 teams in the BCS no matter what. If Auburn gets in the BCS champ game, then a 1-loss LSU is your likely 2nd team in the Sugar Bowl. If Auburn loses to Alabama, it'll be the winner of the SEC champ game as the Sugar Bowl rep and a 1-loss LSU as an at-large. If Auburn beats Alabama but loses in the SEC championship to So Car, it'll be So Car in the Sugar Bowl and either LSU or Auburn as an at-large. Bottom line: SEC's getting 2 teams. Damn.
  • Non-AQ's: One of them is getting in for sure. Two is wholly dependent on if Boise or TCU qualifies for the Natl Champ game. B/c of a contractural quirk for this year, if a non-AQ makes it as an at-large and a Pac-10 team is in the MyNCG, then the non-AQ must go to the Rose Bowl. Still a shot for an at-large in the Orange Bowl, but that may be dictated by who wins the ACC (see below).

So assuming the season holds in terms  of chalk teams winning, we'll be looking at:

  • BCS Champ: Oregon v Auburn
  • Rose Bowl: Wisconsin v. TCU/Boise (whoever ends up higher in BCS if they're both undefeated, autobid as per BCS selection rule 3A/B)
  • Sugar Bowl: LSU vs. at-large
  • Orange Bowl: Va Tech/FlaSt/NC St/Maryland  v. at-large
  • Fiesta Bowl: Neb/OkSt v. at-large

So let's analyze the competition for the at-large slots. It is impertive to understand that the order of selection will play HUGE in this decision. I'll analyze them in the  order of the at-large selections:

  • Sugar Bowl: already made LSU the replacement pick for Auburn in the MyNCG. So looking for 1 at-large team to match-up against LSU. The choices are either a 1-loss Big Ten team (tOSU, Mich St), a 1-loss Stanford, or an undefeated Boise St/TCU (at this point it's still Boise St as TCU is higher in BCS and gets the non-AQ autobid). My thinking is that from a bowl organizers point of view, a Big Ten team, especially tOSU probably gets more butts in seats and generates a better TV viewership than Stanford. So now the choise is really between tOSU and an undefeated non-AQ. Since a non-AQ is already in the BCS, I say tOSU gets the at-large slot
  • Orange Bowl: Already have the ACC champ... if it's Va tech, then a Boise at-large here is unlikely as common thought is to avoid rematches (especially since it wasn't that good of a game in the first case). Va Tech vs Stanford might be attractive here, or the Orange might bite the bullet if convinced by the rest of the BCS hierarchy and take the Big East champ. If it's not Va Tech, then Boise might be a good selection to prop up a not as attractive FlaSt / NC St / Maryland ACC champ.
  • Fiesta Bowl: already have the Big 12 winner, so looking for someone to matchup with Neb / Ok St / OU. Here its a crap shoot and dependent on who the Orange takes. Orange takes Boise, then the Big East champ has to go here. Orange doesn't take Boise and takes the Big East champ, then I could see either Stanford or Boise St, and frankly a Big 12 v Boise St rematch may be more  viewer friendly than Stanford (especially if Boise St has a Heisman finalist Kellan Moore at QB, sorry Andrew Luck). Stanford though is still a national name (albeit with a weak in-person following), and I'm torn. I'd say you could flip a coin and land with either Stanford or Boise St.

 

The wrenches in the plan

There are a couple big wrenches that could be thrown in the gears here:

  • the Big Ten doesn't end up with both Ohio St and Wisconsin with 1-loss: in real terms, a 1-loss Mich St doesn't matchup as well in a at-large comparison with undefeated Boise St or a 1-loss Stanford if they don't get the Rose Bowl bid. They way it's working right now, if Sparty ties with Wiscy only, then they''ll get the Rose Bowl as a result of a head to head win against the Badgers. Wisconsin then would still be a pretty strong at-large bid for either the Sugar or Orange Bowl. If its Mich St and tOSU, then tOSU will get the Rose Bowl and Sparty will be left to fend for the at-large against Boise & Stanford, and frankly I don't think they win that comparison.
  • Oregon loses: that vaults either TCU or Boise into the MyNCG, Oregon to the Rose Bowl and then by my reading, as long as the other TCU / Boise team is still in the rule 3A/B auto-bid position, they'll get in as an auto-bid, probably in the Sugar or Fiesta and knock out Stanford or a 2nd Big Ten team from the BCS
  • Auburn loses: here it matters when Auburn loses. they lose to Alabama in the Iron Bowl but beat So Car, they still have a shot at the MyNCG bid as the #2 team. They lose to So Car in the SEC champ, they'll be in a fight with LSU for an at-large in the Orange Bowl, since So Car will be in the Sugar Bowl, and the Sugar won't have SEC v SEC (Orange Bowl will almost certainly pick a 2nd SEC team over the Big East champ or anybody else)

Your weekly sign of the apolcalypse:

  • Still looks like only way Boise and TCU meet in the MyNCG is if Auburn and Oregon lose, most likely Auburn losing in the SEC championship game. But if that happens, both non-AQ's are well positioned with human pollsters to jump into the #1 / #2 slot needed to overcome computer softness.

 

Whew.... that's it for this week. Begin the comment storm!

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November 14th, 2010 at 10:40 PM | 3 1-loss teams from the Big (Score:1)
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3 1-loss teams from the Big Ten

Whoa there buddy, we play two of those teams the next couple weeks. Have faith. Hold the rope. Hard edge.

Marry a younger woman. As her beauty fades, so will your eyesight.

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November 15th, 2010 at 11:48 AM | MSU-PSU (Score:1)
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And hopefully MSU falls to PSU, meaning that there will be 3 2-loss teams from the Big Ten.

 

Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through

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November 15th, 2010 at 12:05 AM | I thought the Fiesta got last (Score:1)
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I thought the Fiesta got last pick this year. That could be really bad news for Boise; the Sugar would probably want a Big Ten team with the first pick (whether OSU if Wisconsin is in the Rose or MSU if OSU is and Wisconsin loses a game), and the Orange wouldn't want Boise in a rematch with VT.

On the other hand, they wouldn't really want Stanford and the small fan base and lack of national following (Boise has that at least due to BCS-busting a few times). They might persuade the Sugar to swap and take Boise (LSU-Boise would be a great matchup, the Mad Hatter against the tricksters from Boise), leaving a Big Ten team for the Orange. Either way, the Fiesta gets boned.

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November 15th, 2010 at 12:13 PM | You are correct (Score:1)
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Analysis has been updated to account for my error.

"So I come out of Ohio Stadium after we beat the Buckeyes, and right there on the hood of my friend's car, some one took a dump, in the shape of an 'O'. no shit. Oh, sorry, bad pun."

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November 15th, 2010 at 12:06 AM | Is it wrong for me to admit (Score:1)
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Is it wrong for me to admit that I would LOVE it if MSU ends up on the outside looking in at a BCS bowl.

(I hate to say it this way, especially because I am a Newcastle fan in the Premier League, having lived in England for a long time.  Not sure if anyone gets the Kevin Keegan/Alex Ferguson reference -- which did not end up well for Newcastle -- but I won't bore you with the long explanation.)

I'll admit I liked it last year too when, in the pits of our despair and the supposed revival under Dantonio, MSU ended up with one more win than we had.  

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November 15th, 2010 at 11:21 AM | One more (Score:1)
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One more win and Michigans going bowling in Florida.

 

GO BLUE!

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November 15th, 2010 at 11:38 AM | I think the BCS is going to (Score:1)
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I think the BCS is going to work Boise in somewhere if VaTech gets in. If they don't they are going to have some big issues on their hands. How bad would it be for VaTech to lose their next two games (Miami would have to lose their last game as well) and win the conference championship to get into the BCS at 9-4 while a 12-0 BSU, who beat them, get held out of the BCS?

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November 15th, 2010 at 12:01 PM | That's the type of scenario (Score:1)
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that would get the attention hogs on Capitol Hill to start scheduling hearings again...

"So I come out of Ohio Stadium after we beat the Buckeyes, and right there on the hood of my friend's car, some one took a dump, in the shape of an 'O'. no shit. Oh, sorry, bad pun."

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November 15th, 2010 at 12:02 PM | LSU/Arkansas (Score:1)
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Don't forget LSU still has to go to Arkansas - last game of the regular season for those teams.  If Arkansas wins both teams will be 10-2 and I would think it would be hard to take LSU over Arkansas.

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November 15th, 2010 at 12:17 PM | Haven't forgotten (Score:1)
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but with all the permutations that could exist considering all possible upsets in the last two weeks of the regular season, I limited myself to holding chalk for games unless it was an either/or scenario. Assuming for this analysis that LSU wins. If that doesn't happen (or Auburn goes on a 2-game losing streak to end the year, or the Big Ten ends up with one or zero 1-loss teams) this analysis gets a lot more messy, argumentative, and fun.

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