All Wolverine faithful are familiar with Mike Hart’s “little
brother” jab and the indignation it generated among the MSU fans and their
football coach.But why did that comment
produce so much more resentment among fans of the green and white than all the
other epithets (cow college, Spartoons, CMU punching bag) thrown at them over
the years?In order to understand this,
we need to do an objective comparison between the two institutions.Following mgoblog tradition, this comparison
can best be viewed in chart form.
Founded in 1817 as the University of Michigan
Founded in 1855 as the Agricultural College of the State
Home:Ann Arbor, the intellectual capital of Michigan
Home:East Lansing, a suburb of Lansing,
the dysfunctional political capital of Michigan
Nickname:Wolverine, the state animal of the state of Michigan, known for its strength and
named after a city state 5,000 miles away that ceased to exist in 195 BC.
Criminal notoriety:Hash Bash
Criminal notoriety:Burning sofas
Founding member of Big 10 conference in 1896 [Edit, from 1885 typo]
Joined Big 10 in 1949, replacing the University of Chicago
when the latter quit intercollegiate athletics.
Most wins in college football history
Some good football teams back in the 1960’s
Defeated Stanford in first Rose Bowl game (1902) by a
score of 49-0
Defeated UCLA in 1955, their first Rose Bowl, by a score
20 Rose Bowl appearances, most recently in 2007
4 Rose Bowl appearances, most recently in 1988
3 Heisman trophy winners
No Heisman trophy winners
roided-up hulk made of plastic and felt, wears a skirt.
Victors, “The greatest college fight song ever written” said John Philips
Fight Song, the tune is based on the hymn “Stand Up, Stand Up for Jesus.”*
The most famous helmet in all of football.
Helmet design changes periodically, most recently in 2007
Home field:The Big
House, capacity 106,201 this year, 108,000+ next year
Stadium, capacity 75,005
We could go on, but you see the point.Whatever MSU does, Michigan has done it first, and better, just
like an older brother.It’s not about
one game, or even one season.It’s about
all of the ways that Michigan
is superior to MSU.And this is why the
little brother epithet is so devastating.Because deep down, in the depths of the Spartan soul, they know that
it’s true.They are the little brother!
And here’s what makes it even worse for Sparty.MSU is a pretty good school, with a
successful basketball program, renowned academics in such areas as veterinary
medicine and agriculture, and an enrollment of over 40,000 students.In fact, in many states in this country MSU
could be the leading public university.
But…they are in Michigan…where
they will always be second… to the Wolverines…and it DRIVES THEM
So, Michigan fans, enjoy
the game on Saturday, which I am confident will be another Michigan victory.But no matter what happens, keep your head
high and remember “It’s great to be a Michigan Wolverine” and not the little
My older brother is a huge Sparty fan. It was a way to rebel against our Dad who was a huge Meeeechigan fan. Not that any of that matters. Anyhow, he sounds like most other Sparty fans I know. That there is a media bias. That there is officials tampering. Any excuse other than Spaty can't field a consistant winner. GO BLUE! Let's shut up Sparty. By the way, all these years later, my brother still won't admit he chose poorly.
Why would we have wanted to go to the Rose Bowl last year? We couldn't even win the Capital One Bowl. USC would've embarrassed us, and we knew it. It's not so much that we wanted Michigan to lose more than for us to win; it would've been great for us to win. But the fact that it was such a long shot for both MSU and UM to win their last games leads one to think about Michigan "well, if they aren't going to win, I hope they at least get blown out".
Other than last year's last game of the season, there's really no evidence of this. I'd rather have both teams win than both teams lose. But I'd rather have Michigan lose and Michigan State win than anything else. This is a dumb statement on your part; that's like me pointing at the obvious glee you guys have for a 1-3 start for MSU as evidence to the fact that you'd rather have MSU lose than UM win. It's just not a strong argument.
Why would we have wanted to go to the Rose Bowl last year? We couldn't even win the Capital One Bowl. USC would've embarrassed us, and we knew it.
The games that would have determined whether MSU went to the Rose Bowl occurred on November 22, 2008. At that time all signs pointed to the winner of the Big 10 playing Oregon State University in the Rose Bowl. It wasn't until November 29, 2009 when Oregon killed Oregon State in the Civil War that USC slid into the Rose Bowl slot.
Your argument that you couldn't even win the Capital One Bowl notwithstanding, what team has ever wanted to play in a lesser bowl? Especially when the possibility of playing in a BCS game and the Grandaddy of them all is still on the table. Prestige, national clout, and recruiting visibility are all part of going to Pasadena. Going to the Rose Bowl and getting blown out by SC is still preferable to a lower tier bowl no matter what.
I don't think for one second that it being a long shot is why any Spartan fans were rooting against UM. But then again I'm not a Spartan so maybe I shouldn't speak for you.
lol @ why wouldn't we want to be the Big 10 champions? we wouldn't want to play in our first BCS bowl game ever. we would rather play in a lesser bowl with a lower payout, and forget about the recruiting advantage that a bcs bowl would bring???
Wait, when did he say that? He said he wanted MSU to lose? I don't remember that at all. He said he wouldn't cheer for UM, and he's right. I didn't cheer for UM either. The arrogance in this thread is evidence why. This is exactly the reason I didn't go to Michigan; I couldn't stand the people on campus during football season.
Dantonio didn't say he'd rather see UM lose than MSU win. The OP mixed it up. The problem is that Dantonio was rooting against Michigan when it could have HELPED his own team make a BCS bowl. That's where the mentality is f'ed up.
He was trying to say that he wants MSU to make bowls like that on their own accord, not to rely on Michigan to help them along. If we win the games, there's no need to cheer for other teams to beat teams that beat us, which is where he wants the program to be. Unfortunately that's looking like a lost cause this year.
Just as a point of curiosity, and to see how small I can make these text boxes go, why did I get -30 points for an post that was fairly inoffensive and only -1 in a post where I actually bashed Michigan?
I generally root for MSU to lose. If MSU wins, it's not a big deal, but I would prefer they lose. I do generally agree that MSU fans tend to enjoy a Michigan loss quite a bit more than an MSU win. I laughed my ass off when CMU beat MSU, but the focus for me that day was Michigan winning their first game with a legit quarterback. The main reason I enjoy a Sparty loss is because my best friend is a Sparty faithful. He tends to be kind of a dick and sends me texts during any Michigan game when we happen to be losing. Most of the time he ends up looking retarted because we win like in the last game against Indiana. If it weren't for his sometimes dick-like behavior as a Spartan fan, I wouldn't care as much about Sparty at all.
I work with an "MSU fan." He went there, he wears a MSU lanyard for his ID card, etc. But he talks way more about UM losing than MSU doing anything.
Before the ND game he put up a lot of ND pictures and logos around my desk. Then, when I come in on Monday to brag about us winning and MSU losing to Central, he says "Oh, I barely even watched the game, I'm actually more of a Lions fan than an MSU fan."
Which bring up 2 points:
1. If you're going to hate on UM, you better be able to take it when MSU loses. You can't just say "oh, well I didn't really care that much"
2. This guy really doesn't root for any good teams. I feel sad for him.
MSU can run the ball and has a pretty good offense overall, but so do we. Sparty had trouble against the spread offense against CMU and I don't think they are going to be much better at defending the spread this weekend. It's going to most likely be a high scoring afair, which will probably happen most of the year with Michigan's defense. The one question mark with me for this game is how our defense will react to the way Indiana man handled them. The big key for us was red zone defense, and I've felt like we have done an excellent job in the red zone all year. In the ND game we made some red zone stops that were important and the same with EMU. Right now, I feel like we will win, but maybe that will change after I see what Sparty brings come saturday. On the little brother analogy, it's spot on. It's almost like they are anti Michigan first, then an MSU fan second.
Yep, I saw that "in action" last year. I worked with some Spartinas and asked them if they would rather have UM beat OSU so they could have a shot at winning the Big 10 (by beating PSU) or having no shot and UM lose. They all chose not to have a shot at the Big 10 Championship. If that isn't a 'little brother' mentality, I don't know what is.
Recruiting for a company. No question their undergraduates in some programs are exceptionally well-prepared for the working world. To the citation of the agriculture and veterinary medicine programs, I would also add the Eli Broad School of Management, the James Madison College, life sciences and their physics programs. Physics is often regarded as the best in the country, better than MIT.
HOWEVAH, they have a massive inferiority complex. It's a kind of obsessive-compulsive thing. We're like the white whale to their Captain Ahab. Buckeyes seem to suffer from it, too, (although I don't think OSU has nearly the academic reputation of MSU).
Has anyone else tried this Twitter thing? @CallMeNjia
I'm heartened to hear that. I was concerned/saddened that the strength of the program would fade when they closed the Phoenix Lab. I mean, what other school could claim to have a working nuclear pile right on campus? (And it really did glow blue in the dark! That blew my then-8th grade mind.) Sadly, we can no longer claim that either.
Football allows the intellectual part of my brain to evolve, but it allows the emotional part to remain unchanged. And this is all I want from everything, all the time, always. --Chuck Klosterman
Hedley Lamarr: My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Taggart: God darnit, Mr. Lamarr, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.
I thought OSU had a better academic reputation than MSU.
Speaking from experience, they graduate pretty smart engineers. I've worked with a number of really smart mechanical and electrical engineers who graduated from OSU. I don't think I've ever come across a Sparty in the engineering world.
I think he was referring to some indication in your post that you were joking, exaggerating, or making some sort of allusion. I've re-read your original rant a couple times and am still missing the <hyperbole> tag that would make it non-crazy, and that's even with the help of the poster who pointed out your Animal House allusion.
It's entirely obvious, even to us 'MooU' fans, that you have nothing whatsoever to do with Michigan the school, and just love backing a 'winner'. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, maybe you do work at UM. There are a lot of custodians here, after all.