What, Exactly, is Rich Rodriguez Building?
I've got no typical Scout disclaimer to begin with. You know, when a guy says, "Now don't get me wrong, I LOVE me some Rich Rodriguez. I think we're gonna win the next 14 national championships. I now drink 4 gallons of chocolate milk every day. I haven't washed my underwear since we beat the Minnesota Golden Goophers. Charlie Weis is fat. BUT..."
I simply question why people are giving Rich Rodriguez so much of the benefit of the doubt. You can call me negative. you can call me a "Closet Sparty," you can call me a "H8TER," but I don't care.
Charlie Weis, Jim Tressel, and Mark Dantonio--the coaches of Michigan's most hated rivals--all won with with another guy's players. They all came in and implemented different systems, brought all new assistants, all of them are assholes, and yet--they ALL won with players they did not recruit (but they did add some of their own). And all of them did even better in Year 2. You can argue that Notre Dame fell off over the last two years--but at least Charlie Weis is recruiting the hell out of (whatever you recruit the hell out of), and Ohio State is stockpiling talent in a big way. They also have this one guy named Terelle Pryor.
And Dantonio? All he is doing is winning over provincial Michigan and provincial, sniping, self-righteous Michigan Media members and the perception is that MSU is THE program in Michigan. Yeah, Michigan high school football may not put out tons of talent, but Michigan has benefitted from being the Big Dawg in our great state for 40 years, and many, MANY Michigan stars have come from My Michigan. But overnight, MSU has seemingly usurped UM in the hearts and minds of Michigan, and Dantonio has, to this point, won a sort of "culture war" with UM. He tutored under the all-time passive agrressive genius in Columbus, and he is indeed making the state of Michigan greener.
So where does that leave Rich Rodriguez, Michigan football, and Michigan football fans?
Well, in my opinion, this goes way deeper than just shouting "We'll be back!" "Wait'll Rich Rod gets his players!"
Let's look at it from strictly a football standpoint for this first "blog" of mine.
2008: Rich Rod is hired. UM implements some sort of "spread" for the Capital One Bowl and beats Florida. Everyone happy. Everyone clap. Everyone say: "Where has this been? See what we can do? Look at what Rich Rod did at West Virginia! Now, with MICHIGAN TALENT--LOOK OUT BEEYOTCHEZZ!" And when Rich Rodriguez holds Lloyd's last recruiting class pretty much intact (losing only a tight end and a drop back QB)--and adding SIX players to that class in the 11th hour--it was party time!
Let's fast forward past last football season to now.
The recruiting class from 2008, for those who care to notice, is not looking so great, expecially for a team so thin. We have seen five players leave the team. A sixth, Justin Feagin, may never see the field again. The horribly named Mike Cox is a huge question mark. Even Darryl Stonum causes people to wonder. People, that's over 25% of the class.
2009 saw a great class come in. Eligibility questions aside, it is a good mix of real talent, offense and defense, and diamonds in the rough. And Rodriguez again showed great 11th-hour prowess with the signings of Warshington, Robinson, Lewan, Roh and Lalota.
But with so many departures during the first-year transition, and the attrition already seen from the 2008 class, 2009 and 2010 have to be HOME RUNS for a team that is thin with defensive talent and depth.
When Scout posters began hating on star gazing, forty times, and Michigan high school talent, they all shouted in unison: "Look at the offer sheets!" Well I did--and it ain't pretty.
To wit: Four---FOUR of the verbals from this class have no other offers.
Outside of Christian Pace, MRob, Ricardo Miller, Jeremy Jackson, Kenny Wilkins, and Devin Gardner, the other schools offering UM recruits are these (according to Scout): Army, Bowling Green, Indiana, Stanford, Louisville, Vanderbilt, Duke, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Minnesota, and Tulane. I have to admit--that is an impressive list--if you are going after possible future Rhodes Scholars and guys who can go out on a date with a coed and not even think about buying a condom. But Big Time national championships? Not so much. And go ahead and color me not terribly awed by a 6'2, 256 lbs offensive lineman in Pace. Can you say, "Another turbulent offseason splattered with multiple decommits?" I hope so.
Now we stand on the precipice of the 2009 season with two true freshmen at the most important position in the world (yes, even more important than the head cheerleader for the Dallas Cowboys). We stand on the precipice of the 2009 season hoping that Brandon Graham and Mike Martin don't even get a hangnail. We stand on the precipice of a 2009 season which will see our beloved Wolverines go on the road to Iowa, Michigan State and Wisconsin. We stand on the fuck that. Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Penn State are all coming to town. We have our THIRD defensive coordinator in THREE years.
I know you all want to think that Rodriguez is "building something"--and so do I. But I'd like to know what it is, and I'd like to know if you really think he has the time.
2009 and 2010 have to be all-time recruiting classes. We need them for talent and depth. We can't have half this class being "flyers"--if 25% of the guys you really DO want wash out--what are the odds with guys that NOBODY wants? It is scary. Expecially if you are a guy who, like me, is a real loser with no other identity than to put on my Michigan jammies and go to the mall on Sunday with my chest all puffed out, just daring some fucking pathetic fucktard to give me some shit. Of course, if he does, I'll rear back and say, "Hey, I was just robbed and the police gave me this stuff to wear because the goddam robber even took my clothes and stuffed them in a basket he had attached to his iron lung."



is that even though dantonio weis and tressel may have won w/ players that they didnt recruit they had players rich rod came in with some players and a bunch of boy scouts(threet) the only real players we had were minor, ezeh, warren etc.
Oh i forgot Morgan Trent was the Eagle Scout of the group.
Burn The Ships
This whole thread reminds me of arguments about which is better fruit roll-ups or fruit by the foot. They are the same god damned thing in a different package!
You are ragging on the team you SUPPORT to poke other people who support the SAME team in the eye. This is stupid, particularly because of the motives that become clear in the comment bickering. Stop picking pointless fights. We all love Michigan football.
Rodriguez is doing the best he knows how to do. Maybe that's not good enough. Maybe it is. He's had one year. Prematurely firing him would serve no one. It would only extend the transition further. Michigan football has always been great. I don't want to see us Nebraska'd.
Ignoring the clear issues you have with the WLA, I don't think the questions you're asking are wrong, it represents some of the doubt all of us have about this transition. However, your post is too much. It is doubt incarnate. Most of the readers on this board I think prefer to be hopeful about the coming season. None of us are the athletic director (I think). We have no power to control this.
So we hope.
Stop trying to shit in our sundae.
My blog looks at the bright side
http://mgoblog.com/diaries/future-michigan-football
-The Young Blue and Maize Fan
Yes, yes it does.
Winning breeds confidence. Losing breeds reality.
I'm leaving this blog. I'll check back from time to time and look in on the reactions. But I have a new blog in the hopper--one I think you all will enjoy. I just don't know if I should take you INTO the weekend with it, or let your fragile egos recuperate over the weekend from this one.
What say you?
Winning breeds confidence. Losing breeds reality.
Get that bad boy up ASAP. I'm looking forward to not reading it.
Ann Arbor: now the permanent home of the Little Brown Jug
66-22-3 all-time
LOL
Winning breeds confidence. Losing breeds reality.
lol
Audience calm down - IJJS
No question, Jim.
Are you really 46? If so, that's sad. Shouldn't you be raising children or spending time with your wife or something? Why are you trolling a college football message board inhabited mostly by people half your age?
No, I don't believe you're 46.
And you missed the point of trolling. You're supposed to put up one message that sets off a string of replies and gets people riled up, while you sit in the wings and watch and laugh away. Posting long response after long response means you're really only wasting your own time.
Ann Arbor: now the permanent home of the Little Brown Jug
66-22-3 all-time
So many intranet manners and lessons; so little time.
Oh great and wise one, you must forgive us older folks and our lack of intranets mastery. We were not born into this age, with computers replacing the suckling nipple of our mothers.
But with more and more tutelage from the likes of you and your years of wisdom gathering, we may yet find ourselves learning how to navigate this difficult course known as Cyberspace.
Winning breeds confidence. Losing breeds reality.
No, seriously - you claimed you didn't have an e-mail address.
How did you register here?
How did you send us e-mail at the WLA?
How did you register as a 17-year old female, on Myspace with the e-mail address you used to contact us?
wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog
I don't have any of YOUR email addresses--the kids at WLA. You can drop the MySpace stuff--It's YOUR problem if you are scouring the intranets for 17 year old girsl. I don't do MySpace or Facebook. Sorry.
Winning breeds confidence. Losing breeds reality.
Which makes sense, considering a "17 year old female" used your e-mail to register. But you know nothing about that. You have a promising career as a recruiting analyst for Junior-high schoolers, buddy.
wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog
I KNEW I should have signed up for LifeLock! Dammit all!
Winning breeds confidence. Losing breeds reality.
Why, does Lifelock stop you from masquerading as a teenage girl so you can e-hookup with teenage boys?
wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog
I hope you are saving these posts of yours for the sake of posterity. You never know, you might get your Big Break someday into writing or comedy--and it would be better for you to already be armed with an arsenal of fresh material like this for those days when "writer's block" creeps in.
Although, judging from this output, you are probably a bottomless pit of wit and humor.
Winning breeds confidence. Losing breeds reality.
I'm not attempting to be funny. If you search myspace with your email address, the profile of a 17 year old girl comes up. I don't find this humorous at all. Anything but.
wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog
No worries. You'll get the hang of it sooner or later.
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whats a kool-aid drinker?
I'm not your buddy, guy.
Sex.
"I hope if dogs ever take over the world, and they choose a king, they don't just go by size, because I bet there are some Chihuahuas with some good ideas."
- Jack Handey
Clown Sex.
She said "Fuck me Silly."
So I put on a clown suit...
I like sex.
"I hope if dogs ever take over the world, and they choose a king, they don't just go by size, because I bet there are some Chihuahuas with some good ideas."
- Jack Handey
http://www.wtfdetroit.com/forums/showpost.php?p=330787&postcount=25
great and omniscient Grand Poobah of the WLA
Any pub is good pub! Wow--you are going to singlehandedly make me famous!
What's the record for responses to a diary? My next one, which will be crafted probably this weekend after enough beer is consumed, will surely break it.
And while you guys are all there checking it out, go to WTF Central and scope out my Zip Goshboots Morning Constitutional--some things I wrote for that forum awhile back when I had more time. Now that I'm busier, I don't have as much time, you see.
Winning breeds confidence. Losing breeds reality.
Zip Goshboots
considering the only goal is attention i wouldn't call it failure (175ish posts) but it does prove the people on the front page who called troll correct.
it's a brilliant piece of social research though. he went to a place where fans of something congregate, deliberately wrote something that was carefully crafted to instigate shit, and then lols as, shockingly, shit happens. that's probably worth a PHD somewhere. lord knows a midwestern realtor could probably use another degree these days.
great and omniscient Grand Poobah of the WLA
"Considering the only goal is attention"
Signed,
The guy who calls himself the Grand Poobah of the WLA
The guy who has his own blog
Winning breeds confidence. Losing breeds reality.
on another board = FAIL.
oh, yes, that. good call. you are right.
great and omniscient Grand Poobah of the WLA
lolz what a nozzle
did he actually go to Michigan?
Wal-mart wolverines are people that did not actually go to michigan, right? so, since most of us went to the school, then we inherently are not that. Am I taking crazy pills here?
I NEED QUESO! QUESOOOOO!!
You went to Michigan? Bullshit. I call BULLSHIT on just about everyone on this board and any claim to going to Michigan.
And here's a question for this board: What is it with the term "troll"? Does that mean posting on more than one board? Hmmm?
Winning breeds confidence. Losing breeds reality.
I went to Michigan. I can upload a photo of my diploma hanging on the wall if photos can be uploaded here. Going to the school doesn't give me any high horse about being a fan of the team though. Most people who didn't go to the school know and care way more about it than I do.
You are definitely bat-shit crazy and I did, in fact, get a degree from michigan. You?
I NEED QUESO! QUESOOOOO!!
This whole thread made me giggle, and uh er... uh... wasted ten to fifteen minutes of my precious, soon ending life. Thank you, sphincter.
Kittens help make the pain go away.
Hey Barking Sphincter, great to hear from you, even if it's controversial. I want to know how the hell do you get kicked out of the WLA? I thought all you had to do was write inane articles.
I'll just leave it at this: I think people tend to underestimate how bare the cupboard really was. The defense seemed to be a bit mismanaged, but the LBs and safeties were pretty bad. The change in the system really didn't seem to work well. And that's just defense.
I don't know as much about Pete Carroll and Jim Tressel, but I'll assume that they had experienced players to work with. Paul Johnson already had a top dual-threat QB to work with in Nesbitt. Brian Kelly had that guy who didn't get the extra year (what's his name?). Point is, Lloyd Carr didn't do the best job of recruiting for the post Henne-Long-Hart era, and any recruits he did have left because of coaching turnover--that's bound to happen. Michigan had just lost 5 of its most important offensive players of the decade. Combine that with attrition and injured veteran RB's, and it's pretty unfair to expect so much from RR when he has just about all first-year starters on offense, including inexperienced QBs fit for another type of offense, one of which is a walk-on, and scrubs on the OL. He was rebuilding with scraps last year.
Ann Arbor is a classy broad.
"Get off my plane!" - Ricky Stanzi, Air Force One 2
Well, there is at least a little bit of ambiguity over this whole "We kicked the Barking Sphincter out"--I think maybe this was kind of a "retroactive" kicking out. What I really want to see is when the paperwork was filed with the FCC. I mean, I DO have an intranets presence. I know people. I write a thing or two. So there should be some sort of "paper trail"--even if it is an electronic paper trail.
Anyway, I think they are just mad at me for writing an honest, insightful, funny, against-the-grain look at what Rodriguez is doing. I suppose that at this very moment they are in the super-secret WLA Treefort deciding what attack manuevers they'll now come out with. But as I say--it is a battle of wits; they are unarmed. And if they hurl so many insults and rocks as to blot out the sun--I shall fight after I get drunk, like most people.
Winning breeds confidence. Losing breeds reality.
With all due respect to you and the folks at the WLA, I tend to stay away from online group issues.
In other news, my previous post seems to indicate that I'm turning into ellipses man... This reminds me of a screenplay I once wrote.
Ann Arbor is a classy broad.
"Get off my plane!" - Ricky Stanzi, Air Force One 2
jesus dude, you are nuts.
you got kicked out for being an even shittier writer than the rest of us, writing annoying ball-licking emails, and being a general creep. weirdo.
great and omniscient Grand Poobah of the WLA
emails? I don't even have any email addresses! This is growing more preposterous by the minute! I DEMAND to know where your WLA Treefort is so I can attend a hearing and plead my case!
Winning breeds confidence. Losing breeds reality.
Just so I'm clear - the e-mail address that you used to e-mail us - you know, the one you apparently use to masquerade as a 17-year-old girl on Myspace - is not actually yours?
wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog
... i'm sorry you went crazy.
great and omniscient Grand Poobah of the WLA
I though it would be Old Testament dex posting email headers that would reveal The Barking Sphincter's true identity and prove he was lying. Or mistaken. Or "hiking the Appalachian Trail" or whatever people are calling subterfuge these days.
Yeah, I don't get it either. But at least I know that he's stalking me on the intranets, so I better watch out, huh? HAHAHAHAAHLOLZ.
Really dex?
Winning breeds confidence. Losing breeds reality.
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great and omniscient Grand Poobah of the WLA
This thread has gone from entertaining rabble to internet boner jousting.
There can be NO QUESTIONING of anything RICH RODRIGUEZ. Otherwise, personal attacks ensue! Good catch.
I refuse to sink any further into the swill of name calling with idiotic kool aid drinkers who are willing to blindly follow Rich Rodriguez off a cliff. Expecially because I don't REALLY believe he will lead them off the cliff.
Back ot one of my original questions, which I'll answer for myself: If UM and fans DO have patience--I am sure Rich Rodriguez will build the program up--I really do. But therein lies the rub: If this year is poop (and it really could be) and next year shows up with anything less than a BCS bowl, what then?
I'll await sane replies.
Winning breeds confidence. Losing breeds reality.
I Genuinely believe that the vast majority of fans here r not "blindly" following "the great" RR. My point and I think most of the other people on here was it's takes a little time to implement change. Obviosly a 3-9 season is something no fan wants to expereince ever again (or even close to that). But for cryin out loud, 1 SEASON!!!! Brand new staff, s&c, players, system, etc. 1 season!!!! And if your worried about RR getting enough time to get things in order, you'd better hope the people that make the decisions @ UM aren't as hysterical as u. Just because we don't want to fire RR or doubt his ability to coach (because the evidence and track record is there) doesn't mean we're all cool aid drinkers.
What, exactly, is the problem with waiting to see how he does this year before going apeshit nuts about the terrible job he's done? You realize they haven't actually played any games this season?
great and omniscient Grand Poobah of the WLA