None are eligible to transfer to M because the classes are High School equivalent.
this week in unintentionally grim-sounding recruiting headlines
I'm just sayin'. Two-deep players bolded.
|NO||NAME||POS||HT||WT||YR||EXP||Hometown (Last School)|
|94||Armstead, Armond||DE||06/05/10||295||JR||2V||Sacramento (Pleasant Grove)|
|97||Jackson, Malik||DE||06/05/10||245||JR||2V||Northridge (Birmingham)|
|91||Casey, Jurrell||DT||06/01/10||295||JR||2V||Long Beach (Poly)|
|92||Fangupo, Hebron||DT||06/02/10||330||RS JR||1V||Santa Ana, Calif. (Mt. San Antonio JC)|
|98||Harris, DaJohn||DT||06/04/10||295||RS JR||2V||Inglewood (Serra)|
|90||Simmons, Derek||DT||06/04/10||285||RS SR||3V||Suisun (Armijo)|
|44||Tupou, Christian||DT||06/02/10||285||SR||3V||Sacramento (Grant)|
|46||Cumming, Ross||LB||06/01/10||220||JR||2V||Laguna Niguel (Santa Margarita/Naval Acad. Prep)|
|37||Campbell, Jordan||LB||05/11/10||230||RS JR||2V||Corona (Norco)|
|54||Galippo, Chris||LB||06/02/10||250||RS JR||3V||Corona (Servite)|
|23||Horton, Shane||LB||06/01/10||210||RS JR||1V||Chatsworth (UNLV)|
|17||Morgan, Michael||LB||06/04/10||220||RS SR||3V||Dallas, TX (Skyline)|
|6||Smith, Malcolm||LB||06/01/10||225||SR||3V||Northridge (Taft)|
|38||Bryant, T.J.||CB||06/01/00||180||JR||2V||Tallahassee, FL (Lincoln)|
|35||Ashton, Taylor||CB||05/08/10||170||RS JR||TR||Mission Viejo (Arizona State)|
|47||Harbin, James||CB||05/10/10||175||RS JR||Los Angeles (Los Angeles Southwest JC)|
|26||Harper, Daniel||CB||05/10/10||180||RS JR||2V||Rancho Cucamonga, CA (Damien)|
|41||Noble, Allen||CB||06/01/00||190||RS JR||SQ||Denver, CO (Mt. San Antonio JC)|
|35||Taylor, Ashton||CB||05/08/10||170||RS JR||TR||Mission Viejo (Arizona State)|
|24||Wright, Shareece||CB||06/01/00||185||RS SR||4V||Colton (Colton)|
|45||Crittenden, Omari||CB||06/01/00||180||SR||SQ||Modesto, CA (Modesto JC)|
|19||McAllister, Drew||S||06/01/10||195||JR||2V||Danville (Monte Vista)|
|49||McMahon, Ryan||S||06/01/00||195||JR||2V||Daimond Bar (Damien)|
|27||Jones, Marshall||S||06/01/00||190||RS JR||3V||Agoura Hills (Oaks Christian)|
|34||Spiegel, Spencer||S||05/11/10||175||RS JR||SQ||Los Angeles (Harvard-Westlake)|
|14||Kan, Brett||QB||06/02/10||195||RS JR||TR||Honolulu, HI (Punahou)|
|16||Mustain, Mitch||QB||06/03/10||200||RS SR||2V||Springdale, AR (Arkansas)|
|26||Tyler, Marc||TB||06/01/00||225||RS JR||1V||Lancaster (Oaks Christian)|
|21||Bradford, Allen||TB||05/11/10||235||RS SR||4V||San Bernardino (Colton)|
|2||Gable, C.J.||TB||06/01/00||205||RS SR||4V||Sylmar (Sylmar)|
|27||Mokhtar, Ahmed||TB||06/01/00||210||RS JR||SQ||Laguna Beach (OSU/Orange Coast College)|
|10||Shoemate, D.J.||FB||06/01/00||220||JR||2V||Corona (Servite)|
|31||Havili, Stanley||FB||06/01/10||230||RS SR||4V||Salt Lake City, UT (Cottonwood)|
|80||Carswell, Brandon||WR||06/01/10||185||RS JR||2V||Milpitas (Milpitas)|
|22||Ness, Drew||WR||06/01/00||190||RS JR||SQ||San Diego (Westview)|
|9||Ausberry, David||WR||06/04/10||235||RS SR||3V||Lemoore (Lemoore)|
|17||Patterson, Travon||WR||05/10/10||175||RS SR||4V||Long Beach (Poly)|
|47||Stephens, Scott||WR||06/01/10||185||RS SR||1V||Pasadena, CA (St. Francis)|
|83||Johnson, Ronald||WR||06/01/00||190||SR||3V||Muskegon, MI (Muskegon)|
|88||Ayles, Blake||TE||06/05/10||245||JR||1V||Orange (Orange Lutheran)|
|40||Ellison, Rhett||TE||06/05/10||255||RS JR||2V||Portola Valley (St. Francis)|
|84||Kusnir, Zack||TE||06/06/10||260||RS JR||La Jolla, Calif. (San Diego State)|
|23||Cameron, Jordan||TE||06/05/10||220||RS SR||2V||Newbury Park, CA (BYU)|
|67||Reardon, Michael||C||06/05/10||285||RS JR||1V||Anaheim (Orange Lutheran)|
|61||O'Dowd, Kristofer||C||06/05/10||300||SR||3V||Tucson, AZ (Salpointe Catholic)|
|74||Heberer, Zack||OG||06/05/10||290||RS SR||3V||San Pedro (San Pedro)|
|68||Lewis, Butch||OG||06/05/10||285||RS SR||3V||Denver, CO (Regis Jesuit)|
|70||Smith, Tyron||OT||06/06/10||285||JR||2V||Moreno Valley (Rancho Verde)|
|72||Coleman, Martin||OT||06/05/10||315||RS JR||2V||Huntington Beach (Edison)|
|25||Roepke, Boomer||P||05/09/10||180||RS JR||SQ||Reno, NV (Reno)|
|30||Houston, Joe||K||05/08/10||175||RS SR||SQ||Redondo Beach, CA (El Camino JC)|
|48||Harfman, Jacob||P||05/11/10||200||SR||1V||Chino (Mt. San Antonio JC)|
None are eligible to transfer to M because the classes are High School equivalent.
USC has pretty darn good academics. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story...
Okay, so maybe it is that school in Pennsylvania.
Facts have no place on an internet message board post mocking another school. Didnt you get the memo?
It's great to see Central Michigan University at the top of that list.
cmu = carnegie mellon
Maybe it is just me, but I feel a bit bad picking over the carcas of USC before the body is even cold. We are talking about one of the premiere football programs in all the land, and even though they are suffering right now, maybe we should all take a step back and grieve for them...
Okay, almost held it together. Screw USC and its clearly disregard for the rules. I'm still not completely comfortable with the idea of these kids being treated like an extra ball in the pinball game of recruiting, but USC deserves to have a mass exodus and be left in a lurch for a couple of years.
"Well pick em up!"
Next year would look a lot better with Ro-Jo, Chris Gallipo, and a misc 4-5 star CB or two. Is it a recruiting violation to post Michigan's returning secondary on a billboard outside of the USC weight room?
I'd like a ball-hawking safety, a tall cover corner with quick recovery, and a linebacker with natural pursuit skills. To go.
How many scholarships do we have?
AFAIK, we had one. Without Dorsey, we have two. Without Kinard, we could have three. Rumor is that there's another 2010 kid who's academically questionable, too.
I don't see many transfers happening - at least none that benefit UM. For a kid to travel halfway across the country, he would have had to have been seriously close to picking UM before or from the midwest - but even someone like that (let's leave RoJo out of this), would have established bonds/ties to the former regime, not RR. Just seems unlikely to me.
Unfortunately, UM's program just isn't in the best shape to take advantage of other big time programs stumbles, given UM's current (though far less serious, as compared to USC's) stumbles.
Or...He is second string with no hopes of starting and he sees a very bright future as an automatic starter here.
Dear Corner Backs, Safeties and Linebackers,
I think we should be looking at players who would not be starters for USC in their remaining year or two at USC, but could likely get some playing time at UM. I figure if you are currently a starter at SC, no reason to transfer, but if you are 2nd team or worse, why wouldn't you transfer.
Is Michigan realistically looking to poach some of these players? How will this process work? We desperately need the help...getting anyone off the two deep roster would be amazing.
I find it interesting that the top two recruits (QB and WR at Mater Dei H.S.) coming in next year to USC aren't phased by the announcement of NCAA sanctions.
I do think Mike Garrett will be fired over the next couple of months, which might apply some unwanted heat on Mr. Kiffin should he continue the secondary violations parade and otherwise not perform.
Remember, they're 2011 kids, so you're talking about them only missing 1 year of postseason, and it's a year they probably won't be playing in anyways, as freshman QBs and WRs probably aren't going to start at USC
Although I agree with most of this, don't forget Barkley started as a true freshman.
Three straight years with only 15 scholarships is going to kill the program.
Yeah, but Mater Dei is pretty much a big feeder to USC so USC might be their dream school, violations or not.
I think maybe 1 or 2 kids will leave. All the speculation is fun, but I really don't expect much out of this, especially for Michigan.
Maybe it's just me, but a post-season ban probably wouldn't cause me to move halfway across the country if I were about to start my senior year. And the scholarship reductions won't affect the 2010 seniors, anyway. So I wouldn't expect a flurry of seniors to transfer - no RoJo, no Mitch Mustain, etc.
The juniors and [potentially] Class of 2010 recruits are probably the ones more ripe for the picking. And even so, I doubt many will consider Michigan. The speculation about these kids coming to Michigan is probably much ado about nothing.
What if some of the players hate Kiffin? If there was a post season bad, on top of not liking the new coach, I would have to think about bailing.
wasn't Kiffin on staff when most of these guys were recruited?
Some of these kids might have been recruited by Kiffin. He might be one reason they came to USC in the first place. He coached for them through the 2006 season, That means he was recruiting kids up through the Class of 2007. So this year's seniors, redshirt juniors, and 5th year seniors would have been recruited or coached by a staff that included Kiffin, at least until January '07.
Lane Kiffin was the offensive coordinator, so I'm sure he knows some of the offensive players, but had little routine contact with the defensive players. I'm not at all saying mass transfers are likely, but you can't rule it out.
...just doubting it.
I agree that UM probably isn't on the radar for most of these kids, but don't be surprised to see some of the juniors at least consider a place like UM, especially on defense. If they are not going to stay at USC, those kids are going to want to go to schools where they will have a chance to start immediately, and most elite programs have a clear pipeline from recruit to starter. Breaking into that setup might be difficult, irrespective of how talented the player may be. At UM, you get a name-brand school with walk-ons on the two-deep.
However, given his history, I would not be surprised to see Mustain leave, ESPECIALLY if he can do so without sitting out (again).
Boy Arkansas doesn't look so bad, too bad they have one of the best QB's in the country already
Maybe he could reunite with Houston Nutt at Ole Miss!
Are you able to give us a quick rundown on which of these players Michigan previously recruited?
Obviously, Ron Johnson. Anyone else? I seem to have a vague recollection that we recruited Gallipo.
Thanks for anything you can provide.
It might be more worthwhile to see who Rich Rodriguez recruited personally. The juniors, redshirt juniors, and the seniors would have been recruited by Rich Rod at West Virginia.
Take a trip to SC Tom and work your magic!
I'm not entirely certain. I paid way less attention to recruiting in 2006/2007. We offered TJ Bryant, but I'm not sure about the other guys. I don't imagine many of them were ever too serious about Michigan. Most kids from California who get offers don't show more than cursory interest, it seems.
Not to be Debbie Downer... but how does transfering to Michigan automatically put these kids in a bowl game?
I'd love to see Michigan go 13-0 this year and all and really do think they can win 8 or 9... but let's say they fall a little short of that. Are USC kids going to be fired up to transfer to a place that's going to take them to the Alamo Bowl?
It might not put them in a bowl game it does increase their chances of being on national tv and also maybe their family can now see them on the big ten network, if they are from the midwest ie... Ronald Johnson from Muskegon
Starting and producing is more important than wins. See Brandon Graham for more info if interested.
Our only chance to even have a shot with anyone is the promise of immediate starter, IE... a DB or Safety maybe, but that would be a extreme longshot as well.
At this point though how many top notch schools have schollies available for this year?
post-season ban, will not likely be looking to go to a team in the midst of a post-season drought
You're correct about that, but USC is in the uncommon position of having a ton of really talented kids buried on their depth chart. A rising Junior could very well see the writing on the wall and use the provision to enable him to transfer to a school with a favorable depth chart (hello Michigan's secondary) and use the opportunity as his shot to be drafted--or at least get some substantial playing time.
I don't think you'll necessarily see the stars leave. They're good enough on their own to make careers. It's someone who's in an equivalant position as say JB Fitzgerald at Michigan. It just doesn't look like significant playing time is ever going to be in the cards for him. But, if that guy is still hanging onto NFL dreams, this is his get out of jail free card to find a program that needs him, a marriage made in heaven.
Question then, is it ethical to contact them and broach the possibility, or does the staff have to kind of sit an wait, hoping someone calls them up and asks?
Looking at the amount of players from the West Coast (obviously lots of them) on this list leads me to a question I haven't seen addressed.
If one of these guys wants to go to a Pac 1X team, are they eligible to get a scholarship? I ask because as we all know from the Boren situation, if a player transfers from one Big 10 school to another they are not eligible for a scholarship in the new school.
Does this rule apply across all conferences (specifically the Pac 1X)?
It would seeem that if it does, that would give us a bigger shot a landing a player since they would be much more likely to look at a long-distance move if they're unable to go to another Pac 1X team.
Those teams won't join the Pac10 until 2012 anyway, so yes they can.
... the Pac-10 would not waive the one-year transfer ineligibility rule in this case. This means, effectively, USC players won't transfer within the conference. A Pac-10 official confirmed the stipulation to the Seattle Times on Friday.
I originally thought he was asking about the expansion teams from the Big12. Now that I have read over it again, I see what he was asking.