Um...more Demens thoughts. (Now with improved formatting!)

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Preface: I am not Brian.  I am not Magnus.  I am not “dear lord baby Jesus”.  But, and I say this with great happiness, I am not Matt Millen either.  Seriously tho, If you don’t like what I  say please tell me why and discuss rationally.  Thank you.  I will appreciate all the tips on how to not D*^P up. (read: “DERP up”)  Also, I am negative by nature.  I like Demens, but will overly criticize him because of Jinx paranoia/trying not to be a homer in analysis.


Thoughts on Demens:
I. Why he wasn’t playing early in the year:
“[I want to know if the attorney general] is preparing "criminal negligence" charges against Gerg and Co for playing Ezeh over Demens ?”
-In_Rod_I_Trust (no offense to you there, I actually thought this a funny way to sum most thoughts.  Neg me if you don’t like the reference.)
While quotes like the one above were funny, everyone who thought GERG was stupid for not playing Demens needs to see this link
That sums up everything very well; no need to say more.

II. Whether he will help Mouton (and the D as a whole) this year:
My idea for this thread was partially started here.  It’s an interesting thread.  To analyze I want to :

  • 1.) Take a UFR chart from all games and make a differential between Ezeh and Demens playing, and how well Mouton does with Demens in.  (Before I even do this I will note that it will most likely be inconclusive.)
  • 2.) Make a wild-ass assumption based on my thoughts on Demens.
  • 3.) Wonder if there is really any better way to figure this out before Demens 2nd start.


1.) UFR CHARTING
I racked up from the data that says: My prediction was right! Inconclusive after limited PT.  Mouton is a combined +4.5 with Demens in.  His overall standing is at around +40-50.  (My maths is bad, and I did it in Da Head.)  This states to me that we don’t have enough information.  However, we will still make predictions because that’s what bored fans do.  I applaud this.  I do this.  I like this.
2.) ASSUMPTIONS AND PREDICTIONS
Demens really should make this D better.  For those who said that Mouton would not do as well with a LB who actually played (read: will continue to over-run plays when unnecessary now that Demens is in) here's Da Responze:
     a.) Demens>Obi.  Defense with Demen>D with Obi
     b.) No chemistry issues.  Why would there be?
     c.)  If in doubt return to "a.)"
3.) IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE THIS MORE RELIABLE?
Still wondering.  Failing. Getting mad at failing.  Moving on.


III. His strengths and weaknesses:
As has been well quoted on here: He is a run stuffer and not a pass protector.  However, as per my Diary about his Iowa game and my Thread about his previous games’ PT, I believe I can shed more light on the subject.  (No, I haven’t been stalking him on face book or tweeter….but can anyone give me the link?)

  • 1.) He is WAY better than Obi on the run D.  He hits holes, can actually read the plays, and will tackle.  Oh, I almost forgot….he doesn’t get pancaked.  Listen to the commentators laugh at Obi.  Then *cackle with knowing glee* when you never have to see this crap again
  • 2.) From my perspective he bites a lot.  I only played HS, but our team never bit like him.  My data says he bit 8 times. This is based of my UFR and not Brian’s.  I am not sure how much the average man bites, but I would suspect that the young, run-stuffer is biting more than most.
  • 3.) He is slow when guarding WRs.  But who the hell isn’t?  Like we’re saying with the whole defense, give him time to figure this crap out.  BUT….I don’t like him in zone.  Either he’s bad at zone or I suck at analyzing.  Me:Brian comparison comes to mind.  
     

IV. How he (and the D will look next year):
Insert: The_Knowledge.  Not working?!?!?! WTF?  Ok, here’s my idea.  Just Kidding.  Oh, you’re hopes weren’t up?


V. My prediction for the rest of the year/WTF does this all mean:
Based on my assumptions I believe we will end up a top 90 team in overall D. (#90 is USC at 402 YPG.)  This includes that we went against 5 bad teams, and includes the “TURRIBLE” that is PSU.  It is also aware of Illinois’ “Ill” offense.  It is also aware of OSU’s decent offense.  (Oh, and Wiscy….I like whiskey.)  However, we let up 388 against Iowa’s mediocre offense.  Part of that was based on TOP (which we slightly won).  Part of the TOP was how our O was slowed down.  I think our O will be slowed down, and we will have more TOP.  I think that our D will play better because Demens is better than Obi.  These two points should be obvious.  I also think that PSU and Purdon’t will give us a stats boost.  Possibly we hold Illinois…I just don’t know enough about them.  For better or worse, I’m predicting we jump in to the top 90 over the latter half of the season.

Comments

LSCrepair

October 24th, 2010 at 4:10 PM ^

This isnt the NFL. Players represent the University. If they do not handle their business off the field they do not start. He didn't pay rent for a year and got sued for it. Coaches aren't only here to win games. They are also responsible for molding these young players into men that will succeed on and off the field.

This situation probably did not "bench" Demens but I am 90% sure it made it a whole lot harder to earn the privilege of starting.
 

LSCrepair

October 24th, 2010 at 5:20 PM ^

I suppose it is possible that no one knew. But I doubt it. With all the heat taken from BooBoo's situation I am sure they were aware as to what was going on with his roomate as well (Demens).

Correct me if I'm wrong but I am sure there are steps taken up to the actual suing part. So I doubt this situation is out of the blue.

OMG Shirtless

October 24th, 2010 at 5:28 PM ^

Whatever the steps may be up to the actual lawsuit, I doubt they involve calling a tenant's coach.  If they did, I'm sure a phone call would have been made to the Demens family and a settlement of some sort could have been worked out.  I'd guess Demens was embarassed he never paid his rent, avoided all calls from the collection agency and hoped the problem just went away. 

LSCrepair

October 24th, 2010 at 6:03 PM ^

Apparently many people disagree with me which is fine. I just think it was a big factor on his playing time up to this point.

It seems like Brian has similar thoughts on the subject:

…and Demens being locked on the bench for the first six games gets a lot less mysterious. They're suing for 11.5 of 13 months worth of rent, so they probably paid a security deposit and then never wrote another check. Maybe the details will again point to Boubacar Cissoko and his sad disintegration, but it's probably hard to put your faith in a guy who's involved in a suit like that.

LSCrepair

October 24th, 2010 at 6:17 PM ^

I dont claim to know the reasons for Demens not starting sooner. Bad practices, effort, etc could all be perfectly plausible as well. For me this incident fits because it has become public knoledge.

I just said Brian had similar thoughts not that we are right, you are wrong neener neener.

Despite my lower point total doesnt mean I dont know how things work around here. I lurk enough to know everyone is wrong some of the time.

NateVolk

October 24th, 2010 at 4:55 PM ^

This whole Demens insertion is very encouraging. Brian's podcast he was talking about feeling like we could be secure for a while at a key spot on defense without having to turn to a freshman next fall.  Nice.

To me that means people who are looking deeply at the film like what they see.  You could see clearly on saturday that he didn't tenderfoot towards the holes on the run plays.

 Hungry for good news about defense and trusting the sources:  "Opulence at Middle Linebacker we might has it."

Ziff72

October 24th, 2010 at 5:39 PM ^

Listen this maybe an Oliver Stone like level conspiracy theory, but here it goes.

Kenny Demens wasn't playing because...wait for it.....he wasn't ready to.

All right now that you are up from the floor take it all in and let your mind stabilize.  Maybe just maybe KD was struggling with some of the reads and coverages.   Maybe he studied and actually proved to the coaches he was now ready to handle the role of MLB.   What if he wasn't sure what he was doing and he went out there against ND and screwed up some calls and lost confidence and played tenative and cost us that game?  

Coaches all the time talk about not putting players in a position to fail.  Not playing until they are ready.  This may have been the case and it may be better for everyone in the long run.

Patience people, patience.

 

 

willywill9

October 24th, 2010 at 6:14 PM ^

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II. Whether he will help Mouton (and the D as a whole) this year:

My idea for this thread was partially started here:  It’s an interesting thread.  To analyze I want to :

  1. UFR Comparison - Take a UFR chart from all games and make a differential between Ezeh and Demens playing, and how well Mouton does with Demens in.  (Before I even do this I will note that it will most likely be inconclusive.)
  2. Wild-ass Assumption - Make a wild-ass assumption based on my thoughts on Demens.
  3. Better Methods? - Wonder if there is really any better way to figure this out before Demens 2nd start.

1. UFR Comparison

I racked up from the data that says: My prediction was right! Inconclusive after limited PT.  Mouton is a combined +4.5 with Demens in.  He is overall standing at around +40-50.  (My maths is bad, and I did it in Da Head.)  This states to me that we don’t have enough information.  However, we will still make predictions because that’s what bored fans do.  I applaud this.  I do this.  I like this.

2. Wild-ass Assumption

Demens really should make this D better.  For those who said that Mouton would not do as well with a LB who actually played (read: will continue to over-run plays when unnecessary now that Demens is in) here's Da Responze:

  • Demens>Obi.  Defense with Demen>D with Obi
  • No chemistry issues.  Why would there be?
  • If in doubt return to "a.)"


3. Better Methods? 

Still wondering.  Failing. Getting mad at failing.  Moving on.

willywill9

October 24th, 2010 at 8:47 PM ^

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Does this help answer?

bighouseinmate

October 25th, 2010 at 12:26 AM ^

.......and have realized that I don't care much one way or the other as to why he hasn't seen the field much before the Iowa game. He showed everyone that he is much better than *** against the run, and no noticeable dropoff in the pass defense. Based on how he played, I'd say Mouton can start cheating more outside increasing coverage sideline to sideline. This, of course, is assuming that GERG has seen the tape and has seen the same things we all have.