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Profiles in integrity, grace, and charity: A heartfelt "thank you" to our friends from East Lansing

By turd ferguson — October 15th, 2012 at 3:29 AM — 22 comments

Those of us living near Lansing know the joys of being among Spartans, and with this being MSU week, I feel a duty to share those joys with anyone who might be unfamiliar.  These people bring sunshine to our lives, and we would be remiss if we didn’t communicate our appreciation before this silly little game.

Michigan State athletics programs have become pioneers in 21st-century teambuilding.  Concerned about the rapid decline of face-to-face contact, MSU athletes have repeatedly come together, in large groups, to contact the faces of their fellow athletes and classmates. 

Spartans are known to generously extend a hand to those in need.  They’ve developed a prison-to-work program seen by many as a model for how to reduce to an absolute minimum the time between prison and work.  Their athletic director moonlights as a volunteer career counselor and their football coach as a public speaking coach, offering their time even to supposed athletic rivals.  When one of their neighbors could use help just stretching his neck, scratching his eye, massaging his arm, or bludgeoning his face, a Spartan is always there to assist.

Sportsmanship is always the Spartan’s highest priority.  When an opposing player gets hurt, MSU students come together to let that player know that he is as beloved and cherished as a sweet family pet.  If a fan, who’s totally a CMU grad or something, gets unruly, the community reins him in immediately, nobly protecting our great-great-great-grandmothers along the way.  The head basketball coach once even sat out a game in honor of NCAA rules.

A Spartan is green at his core, concerned about the environmental dangers of letting too many sofas eventually reach our landfills.  He understands the medical importance of concussion research and bravely puts his student-athlete in harm’s way just so the rest of us can see what happens.  He advocates for the consumer who is so often trampled upon by uncaring corporations.  He even protects college athletics from the unsavory members of society by constantly reminding us that the only people entitled to enjoy college sports are those with college degrees.

So to all of the Michigan fans out there, please, if you have an opportunity to thank a Spartan this week, do it.  The world just wouldn’t be the same without them.

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2013 Big Ten recruiting classes: A graphical representation

By turd ferguson — October 10th, 2012 at 1:14 PM — 15 comments
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[bump: we got guys yo]

This might be one of those things that's cool only to me, but the chart below depicts the current rankings of prospects in the class of 2013.  I used 247's composite rankings, which combine those from 247, Rivals, Scout, and ESPN.  Each colored sliver represents a committed recruit.  The total number of commitments for each program is provided next to the school's name.

I've binned these by 50s, so there's some rounding going on.  Basically, if you look under the "1" on top, you'll see a sliver for every player ranked 1-50 in the national composite rankings.  OSU has four of those, Penn State has two, and we have one (Morris).  The last group ("1001+") represents recruits ranked 1000 or lower or, in almost all cases, unranked recruits.

I had to be creative with the rankings for a few recruits (e.g., JC guys), but I just figured out where their ratings would place them on the regular high school recruit scale.

 

A few of my observations:
 

  • Big two, little ten.  For real.  Those two programs are drawing from an entirely part of the distribution from the rest of the Big Ten programs.
     
  • These group together pretty nicely.  It looks like there are basically three tiers.  The top tier is Michigan and OSU.  The second tier is Nebraska, Wisconsin, Penn State (for now at least), MSU, and Iowa.  Then there's everyone else.
     
  • Someone should make sure that Minnesota's planning to continue its football program.  One key ingredient for a football program: football players.  Minnesota, you might want to get a few of those.
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Composite 2013 FB Recruit Rankings

By turd ferguson — March 11th, 2012 at 12:36 AM — 31 comments
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Having done something similar last year, I just combined the Scout, Rivals, and 247 football recruit rankings into one.  The purpose is to help sort through the confusion that comes from seeing three different rankings for each kid.  I provide a little analysis below the rankings, but I’ll leave the rest to you.

What to know about how I did this:

I started with the Scout 300, Rivals 250, and 247’s top 247 and removed all of the prospects who were ranked by only one of them.  Therefore, every prospect below appeared on at least two of those three lists.  The reasons for this are that: (1) it keeps the rankings to a manageable size and (2) if only one site really likes a prospect, it might just be an outlier.

If a kid was ranked by two services but not the third, I imputed a ranking for the third service.  To do this, I added 100 to the lowest ranking provided by that service.  In other words, a kid who wasn’t ranked in Scout’s top 300 received a Scout ranking of 400; a kid who wasn’t ranked in Rivals’ top 250 received a Rivals ranking of 350; and a kid who wasn’t ranked in 247’s top 247 received a 247 rank of 347.

I took one more step before finding the average ranking for each prospect.  I incorporated the median ranking across those three services.  Therefore, a prospect’s mean ranking, which is the basis of these rankings, comes from an average of his real/imputed Scout ranking, Rivals ranking, 247 ranking, and the median of the three.  I added the median to mitigate the effect that one outlier ranking would have on a prospect’s mean.

Okay, enough with that. 

Edit: I just added position rankings.  Note that I used the positions listed by Scout.
 

The rankings:

        Scout Rivals 247 med (avg)
1 Robert Nkemdiche DE-1   1 1 1 1 1
2 Reuben Foster MLB-1 Alabama 2 2 2 2 2
3 Laremy Tunsil OT-1   4 3 4 4 3.75
4 Max Browne QB-1   5 8 5 5 5.75
5 Vernon Hargreaves III CB-1   6 10 3 6 6.25
6 Su'a Cravens S-1   9 5 9 9 8
7 Thomas Tyner RB-1 Oregon 20 9 10 10 12.25
8 Robert Foster WR-1   3 26 11 11 12.75
9 Kenny Bigelow DT-1 USC 29 6 13 13 15.25
10 Matthew Thomas OLB-1   18 12 16 16 15.5
10 Montravius Adams DT-2   11 33 7 11 15.5
12 Ricky Seals-Jones WR-2 Texas 8 13 32 13 16.5
13 Jaylon Smith OLB-2   16 34 6 16 18
14 Kendall Fuller CB-2   31 4 19 19 18.25
15 Shane Morris QB-2 Michigan 28 16 14 16 18.5
16 Ty Isaac RB-2   13 18 28 18 19.25
17 Derrick Henry RB-3 Georgia 19 29 12 19 19.75
18 Dee Liner DT-3 Auburn 12 42 17 17 22
19 Derrick Griffin WR-3 Texas A&M 30 19 22 22 23.25
20 Adam Breneman TE-1 Penn State 22 22 29 22 23.75
21 Joey Bosa DE-2   24 14 37 24 24.75
22 Eddie Vanderdoes DT-4   15 21 43 21 25
23 Tyrone Swoopes QB-3 Texas 10 11 70 11 25.5
24 Antonio Conner S-2   7 38 33 33 27.75
25 Jalin Marshall RB-4 Ohio State 34 41 8 34 29.25
25 Michael Hutchings OLB-3   27 17 46 27 29.25
27 Kent Perkins OT-2 Texas 52 25 20 25 30.5
28 E.J. Levenberry OLB-4   80 15 21 21 34.25
29 Cameron Burrows CB-3 Ohio State 74 7 30 30 35.25
30 O.J. Howard TE-2 Alabama 36 35 49 36 39
31 Altee Tenpenny RB-5 Alabama 83 20 27 27 39.25
32 Jake Raulerson OT-3 Texas 42 51 25 42 40
33 Max Redfield S-3   62 30 35 35 40.5
34 Keith Ford RB-6 Oklahoma 14 113 18 18 40.75
35 Stacy Coley WR-4   41 45 56 45 46.75
36 Dymonte Thomas S-4 Michigan 35 77 40 40 48
37 Mackensie Alexander CB-4   71 56 15 56 49.5
38 Kyle Bosch OT-4 Michigan 49 60 42 49 50
39 Ethan Pocic OT-5   57 27 60 57 50.25
39 Marquez North WR-5   73 24 52 52 50.25
41 Leon McQuay S-5   96 32 39 39 51.5
42 A'Shawn Robinson DT-5 Texas 43 69 50 50 53
43 Greg Bryant RB-7   59 23 73 59 53.5
44 Darius James C-1 Texas 48 92 36 48 56
45 Justin Manning DT-6   21 89 59 59 57
46 Jake Oliver WR-6 Texas 53 61 58 58 57.5
47 Steven Elmer OT-6 Notre Dame 99 49 44 49 60.25
48 Laquon Treadwell WR-7   76 31 75 75 64.25
49 Derwin Gray OT-7   61 105 34 61 65.25
50 Isaiah Golden DT-7 Texas A&M 54 63 85 63 66.25
51 Ahmad Fulwood WR-8   69 59 72 69 67.25
51 Kailo Moore RB-8   66 74 65 66 67.75
53 Chris Fox OG-1 Michigan 137 46 47 47 69.25
54 Kylie Fitts DE-3   75 81 51 75 70.5
55 Eli Woodard CB-5 Ohio State 90 28 83 83 71
56 ArDarius Stewart WR-9 Alabama 85 75 53 75 72
56 Isaac Savaiinaea MLB-2   23 155 55 55 72
58 Henry Poggi DT-8   134 43 66 66 77.25
58 Steven Mitchell WR-10   81 52 95 81 77.25
60 Daniel McMillian MLB-3 Florida 51 53 157 53 78.5
61 James Quick WR-11   26 194 48 48 79
62 Justin Davis RB-9   17 48 209 48 80.5
62 Marcell Harris S-6   201 39 41 41 80.5
64 Patrick Kugler OG-2 Michigan 25 54 190 54 80.75
65 Kelvin Taylor RB-10 Florida 91 111 31 91 81
66 Jonathan Allen DE-4   102 100 23 100 81.25
67 Tray Matthews S-7 Georgia 104 65 82 82 83.25
68 Greg Webb DT-9   77 78 102 78 83.75
69 Alquadin Muhammad OLB-5   86 139 26 86 84.25
70 Greg Gilmore DT-10   46 112 90 90 84.5
71 Kendell Beckwith OLB-6   55 158 64 64 85.25
72 Isaac Rochell DE-5   97 73 87 87 86
73 J.T. Barrett QB-4   89 134 38 89 87.5
74 Priest Willis S-8   33 84 155 84 89
75 Austin Golson OT-8 Florida State 125 57 92 92 91.5
75 Elijah Daniel DE-6   40 116 105 105 91.5
77 Hunter Henry TE-3   65 115 97 97 93.5
78 Ryan Green RB-11   135 90 78 90 98.25
79 Tyren Jones RB-12 Alabama 98 137 61 98 98.5
80 Kelsey Griffin DT-11   101 120 74 101 99
81 Darrell Daniels WR-12   39 170 94 94 99.25
82 Aaron Bailey QB-5   105 128 62 105 100
83 Derrick Green RB-13   124 64 108 108 101
84 Cooper Bateman QB-6   56 129 110 110 101.25
84 Dashon Hunt CB-6 UCLA 108 58 131 108 101.25
86 Larenz Bryant OLB-7   132 95 86 95 102
87 Kevin Olsen QB-7   118 131 45 118 103
88 Tim Kimbrough MLB-4   115 119 69 115 104.5
89 Dorian O'Daniel OLB-8   152 37 119 119 106.75
89 Shelton Gibson WR-13   130 103 91 103 106.75
91 Desean Smith TE-4   209 55 84 84 108
92 Tim Williams DE-7   107 144 77 107 108.75
93 Vonn Bell S-9   32 350 24 32 109.5
94 D.J. Ward DE-8   38 99 204 99 110
95 Dontre Wilson RB-14   70 186 93 93 110.5
96 Kameron Miles S-10   100 86 158 100 111
97 Logan Tuley-Tillman OT-9 Michigan 153 109 89 109 115
98 John Diarse S-11   128 66 140 128 115.5
99 Brice Ramsey QB-8 Georgia 63 249 79 79 117.5
100 Holland Fisher OLB-9 Virginia Tech 190 72 107 107 119
101 Marcus Baugh TE-5   154 114 98 114 120
102 Michael Hill DT-12   110 70 197 110 121.75
103 Troy Williams QB-9   188 71 115 115 122.25
104 Cole Luke CB-7   113 198 67 113 122.75
105 Tramel Terry WR-14 Georgia 106 127 145 127 126.25
106 Rickey Jefferson WR-15   157 104 125 125 127.75
107 Chans Cox MLB-5   148 40 178 148 128.5
108 Ryan Burns QB-10 Stanford 280 47 101 101 132.25
108 Sebastian LaRue WR-16   47 141 200 141 132.25
110 Ishmael Wilson OT-10 Texas A&M 171 143 80 143 134.25
111 Tyrone Crowder OG-3   72 350 54 72 137
112 Marcus Farria DE-9   119 179 129 129 139
113 Christian Hackenberg QB-11 Penn State 183 153 68 153 139.25
114 Nick Washington S-12 Florida 232 94 116 116 139.5
115 William Likely CB-8   225 79 128 128 140
116 Jaynard Bostwick DT-13   44 85 347 85 140.25
117 Trey Johnson OLB-10 Auburn 248 36 139 139 140.5
118 Carl Lawson DE-10   180 91 149 149 142.25
119 Malik Zaire QB-12   181 136 117 136 142.5
120 Billy Price DT-14 Ohio State 111 130 205 130 144
121 Tahaan Goodman S-13   67 150 212 150 144.75
122 Demarcus Walker DE-11   206 152 71 152 145.25
122 Evan Lisle OT-11 Ohio State 68 83 347 83 145.25
122 Jalen Ramsey CB-9   197 135 114 135 145.25
125 Michael McCray OLB-11 Michigan 202 44 168 168 145.5
126 Cody Thomas QB-13   162 178 88 162 147.5
127 Demarcus Robinson WR-17   192 97 153 153 148.75
127 Peter Kalambayi MLB-6   93 62 347 93 148.75
129 Tyshon Dye RB-15   123 187 144 144 149.5
130 Cornelius Elder RB-16   168 164 118 164 153.5
130 David Williams RB-17   120 192 151 151 153.5
132 Chris Hawkins CB-10   92 159 214 159 156
133 Joe Mathis DE-12   94 93 347 94 157
134 Alvin Kamara RB-18   109 350 63 109 157.75
135 Tashawn Bower DE-13   142 250 100 142 158.5
136 Artie Burns CB-11 Alabama 170 166 142 166 161
137 Jason Hatcher DE-14   37 221 194 194 161.5
138 Johnny Johnson CB-12   87 173 218 173 162.75
139 Garrett Sickels DE-15 Penn State 271 50 169 169 164.75
140 Taquan Mizzell RB-19   255 87 163 163 167
141 Kohl Stewart QB-14 Texas A&M 207 181 112 181 170.25
142 Jamar Gibson WR-18 Texas A&M 112 350 109 112 170.75
143 Jacorey Warrick WR-19 Texas 95 350 121 121 171.75
144 Jeryl Brazil CB-13 LSU 195 175 148 175 173.25
145 Wyatt Shallman FB-1 Michigan 179 160 187 179 176.25
146 Tarean Folston RB-20   184 174 174 174 176.5
147 Devon Allen WR-20   131 110 347 131 179.75
148 Tim Harris CB-14   294 161 104 161 180
149 Grant Hill OG-4 Alabama 139 350 96 139 181
150 Ashton Shumpert RB-21   114 350 132 132 182
151 Jake Butt TE-6 Michigan 147 96 347 147 184.25
152 Torrodney Prevot DE-16   84 350 152 152 184.5
153 Reeve Koehler OG-5   400 67 137 137 185.25
154 Aaron Cochran OT-12   400 98 127 127 188
155 Jamal Carter S-14   161 197 202 197 189.25
156 Riley Norman OT-13   196 225 141 196 189.5
157 Hunter Bivin OT-14   167 350 76 167 190
157 Kyle Hicks RB-22 Texas 116 350 147 147 190
159 Shaq Wiggins CB-15 Georgia 141 350 135 141 191.75
160 Khalfani Muhammad RB-23   400 108 130 130 192
161 Marcus Newby OLB-12   158 350 103 158 192.25
162 Earnest Robinson WR-21 Auburn 213 101 243 213 192.5
163 A.J. Turman RB-24   400 133 106 133 193
163 Tyree Robinson WR-22   400 124 124 124 193
165 Jordan Sherit DE-17   400 76 150 150 194
166 Johnny O'Neal MLB-7   172 88 347 172 194.75
167 Erik Bunte OT-15   240 206 133 206 196.25
168 Eldridge Massington WR-23   177 245 183 183 197
168 Kerrick Huggins DT-15 Texas A&M 133 154 347 154 197
170 Matthew Alviti QB-15   151 210 224 210 198.75
171 Kenny Lacy OT-16   164 122 347 164 199.25
172 Stanvon Taylor CB-16   246 188 177 188 199.75
173 Josh Banderas OLB-13   295 185 143 185 202
174 Taj Williams WR-24   203 177 227 203 202.5
175 Laquvionte Gonzalez RB-25 Texas A&M 237 151 213 213 203.5
176 Darius Latham DT-16   208 350 57 208 205.75
176 Nadir Barnwell CB-17   286 207 123 207 205.75
178 Nico Falah OT-17   45 216 347 216 206
179 John Montelus OG-6   50 214 347 214 206.25
179 Tony Stevens WR-25 Florida State 155 350 160 160 206.25
181 TraVon Chapman QB-16   191 106 347 191 208.75
182 Standish Dobard TE-7   79 208 347 208 210.5
183 Jayron Kearse OLB-14 Miami (Fl) 60 218 347 218 210.75
184 Johnathon McCrary QB-17 Vanderbilt 400 80 182 182 211
185 Nick Ramirez MLB-8   216 241 173 216 211.5
186 David Dawson OG-7 Michigan 264 199 196 199 214.5
187 Taco Charlton DE-18 Michigan 400 183 99 183 216.25
188 Jamel James RB-26 Arkansas 166 350 179 179 218.5
188 Ra'Shaad Samples WR-26   145 191 347 191 218.5
190 Daeshon Hall DE-19 Texas 140 350 193 193 219
191 L.J. Moore CB-18   205 223 233 223 221
192 John Lopez OG-8   289 126 238 238 222.75
193 Evan Voeller OT-18   200 145 347 200 223
194 Denver Kirkland OG-9   156 195 347 195 223.25
195 Doug Randolph OLB-15 Stanford 400 68 221 221 227.5
196 Matt Rolin OLB-16   230 350 111 230 230.25
197 Bucky Hodges QB-18   400 202 126 202 232.5
197 Sefo Liufau QB-19   400 196 138 196 232.5
199 De'Asian Richardson DT-17   212 350 161 212 233.75
200 James Hearns MLB-9 Florida 400 157 191 191 234.75
201 Michael Parker WR-27   238 117 347 238 235
202 Brandon Kublanow OG-10   273 243 184 243 235.75
203 Mike Williams WR-28   126 350 234 234 236
204 John Ross WR-29   217 350 166 217 237.5
205 Ben Gedeon OLB-17   159 224 347 224 238.5
206 Marcus McWilson S-15 Nebraska 233 142 347 233 238.75
207 Chase Abbington OLB-18 Missouri 193 350 207 207 239.25
208 Devin Lauderdale WR-30 Texas Tech 275 193 245 245 239.5
209 Alex Anzalone OLB-19   149 350 231 231 240.25
210 Jason Smith QB-20   229 350 154 229 240.5
211 Caleb Brantley DT-18 Florida 270 82 347 270 242.25
212 Alvin Bailey WR-31   400 138 219 219 244
212 Wayne Gallman RB-27   235 350 156 235 244
214 Wyatt Teller DT-19   400 168 206 206 245
215 Fred Ross WR-32 Oklahoma State 210 213 347 213 245.75
216 Lowell Loutlelei DT-20   272 244 230 244 247.5
217 Alex Collins RB-28 Miami (Fl) 252 147 347 252 249.5
218 Rodney Adams WR-33 Florida 290 234 239 239 250.5
219 Antwuan Davis CB-19   243 171 347 243 251
220 Tre'Davious White CB-20 LSU 400 215 175 215 251.25
221 Jourdan Lewis CB-21 Michigan 251 167 347 251 254
221 Mike Heuerman TE-8   228 350 210 228 254
221 Nazair Jones DE-20   400 240 136 240 254
224 Antonio Allen S-16   245 180 347 245 254.25
224 Marcell Ateman WR-34   265 140 347 265 254.25
226 Demorea Stringfellow WR-35   283 107 347 283 255
226 Jeremy Cutrer S-17 LSU 241 350 188 241 255
226 Tyrell Robinson S-18   400 228 164 228 255
226 Vita Vea DT-21   400 237 146 237 255
230 Hayden Rettig QB-21   277 123 347 277 256
230 Noel Ellis CB-22   254 169 347 254 256
232 Jeremy Johnson QB-22   218 350 232 232 258
233 Tyler Bruggman QB-23   222 232 347 232 258.25
234 Donovan Munger DT-22   220 350 237 237 261
235 Jon Reschke OLB-20 Michigan State 239 350 222 239 262.5
236 Na'Ty Rodgers OT-19   400 231 192 231 263.5
237 Deon Martin RB-29   297 350 113 297 264.25
237 Raheem Falkins WR-36 Alabama 400 211 223 223 264.25
239 D.J. Park OT-20 South Carolina 219 350 247 247 265.75
240 Nigel Bowden MLB-10   400 235 198 235 267
241 Brogan Roback QB-24   274 189 347 274 271
241 Darian Hicks CB-23   281 350 172 281 271
243 Brett Wade MLB-11   400 239 215 239 273.25
244 Kenny Hill QB-25   291 165 347 291 273.5
245 Cameron Walker CB-24   267 350 216 267 275
245 Marquez Grayson RB-30   257 350 236 257 275
247 Christian Morgan TE-9   269 222 347 269 276.75
247 Joshua Outlaw OG-11   296 350 165 296 276.75
249 Frank Herron DE-21   282 350 199 282 278.25
250 Jake Thomas OT-21   276 350 220 276 280.5
251 Jake Campos OT-22   292 204 347 292 283.75
252 Adam Taylor RB-31   285 247 347 285 291
253 David Kenney DE-22   299 238 347 299 295.75


Notes:

Michigan currently has commitments from:

#15 Shane Morris (#2 QB)
#36 Dymonte Thomas (#4 S)
#38 Kyle Bosch (#4 OT)
#53 Chris Fox (#1 OG)
#64 Patrick Kugler (#2 OG)
#97 Logan Tuley-Tillman (#9 OT)
#125 Michael McCray (#11 OLB)
#145 Wyatt Shallman (#1 FB)
#151 Jake Butt (#6 TE)
#186 David Dawson (#7 OG)
#187 Taco Charlton (#18 DE)
#221 Jourdan Lewis (#21 CB)

Gareon Conley and Jaron Dukes aren’t listed because they were only ranked by one service (Scout).  Khalid Hill isn’t currently ranked by any of them.

Here are the programs with the most commitments from this group - along with Big Ten programs (& Notre Dame) with at least one commitment:

Michigan – 12
Texas – 10 (but very top-heavy)
Alabama – 8
Texas A&M – 7
Florida – 6
Georgia – 5
Ohio State – 5
-----------------------
Penn State – 3
Michigan State – 1
Notre Dame – 1


Let me know if anything seems wrong or strange.

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A Typology of College Rivalries

By turd ferguson — September 25th, 2011 at 5:37 PM — 45 comments
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I've been thinking about rivalries lately, as I think they're among the most endearing features of college sports.  It struck me that there are some similarities across rivalries - often rooted in the types of schools involved - that enable a rough classification into certain types of rivalries (and the feelings involved).

These aren't perfect or complete, of course, and I'm sure that I've mislabeled a couple of the rivalries here, but just for fun...

 

 

Rivalry Type #1:  The one-game season

For some schools, a rivalry game is of such importance relative to the rest of the schedule that these season-defining games will be the one event that energizes each school’s fan base.  However, the animosity between schools is relatively mild, probably because people attend these schools for reasons other than sports.  The rivalry game affords students and alumni a fun annual foray into passionate intercollegiate athletics, but the rivalry is revered more than the rival is detested.

Examples:
-- Army vs. Navy
-- Harvard vs. Yale
-- Lehigh vs. Lafayette

 

Rivalry Type #2:  In-state “big brother” vs. “little brother”

If one rivalry type is inherently unhealthy for all involved, it’s that between two schools from the same state where one school seems almost objectively preferable to prospective students.  This is where the dominant school is both academically superior and more relevant on the national sports scene.  The dominant school’s attitude toward its rival, epitomized by Mike Hart’s “little brother” comments, is dismissive irritation, as the dominant school rolls its eyes at its rival’s obsession with the dominant school and delusion about the subordinate school’s national relevance.  The subordinate school’s attitude toward its rival, epitomized by Rufus the Bobcat’s premeditated attack on Brutus, is visceral hatred.  The structural danger in these rivalries is that the dominant school essentially holds a trump card – superior academics / higher admissions standards – so the subordinate school finds itself in an unwinnable battle for respect from its condescending in-state rival.

Examples:
-- Michigan vs. Michigan State
-- Texas vs. Texas Tech
-- Oregon vs. Oregon State

 

Rivalry Type #3:  In-state twin brothers

Similar to Rivalry Type #2 in that these rivalries often pit family members, friends, and neighbors against one another, these rivalries lack the clear hierarchy of the “big brother” – “little brother” rivalries.  The schools have similar attitudes toward one another, and the driving motivation is bragging rights, since fans and alumni of one school find themselves in constant contact with fans and alumni of the rival school.  Like Rivalry Type #2, these games tend to be much more relevant locally than nationally, but they’re true, fair battles that dominate headlines in that state as the rivalry game approaches.

Examples:
-- Auburn vs. Alabama
-- Ole Miss vs. Mississippi State
-- Arizona vs. Arizona State

 

Rivalry Type #4:  Neighboring state public schools

With a different dynamic from in-state rivalries, public schools from neighboring states can produce rivalries that are more unifying than divisive.  Here, daily contact with rival fans is less inevitable, and local newspapers, stores, television stations, and public figures openly cheer for one side over the other.  The competition is about athletics, not academics, since in-state tuition differences and preferences for in-state schools mean that students/alumni of each school commonly will not consider the other.  School pride and state pride often become intertwined, and the best of Rivalry Type #4 comes from schools with comparably (and highly) powerful football programs.

Examples:
-- Michigan vs. Ohio State
-- Texas vs. Oklahoma
-- Pitt vs. West Virginia
-- Florida vs. Georgia

 

Rivalry Type #5:  Academically strong public vs. private

One notable class of rivalries involves geographically proximate stellar schools, where one is public and the other private.  Many of our oldest universities are among our best universities, so these schools typically have long histories that include extended periods during which the competing schools had exceptional teams.  Today, these rivalries are defined by a mutual respect for the other institution and distaste for the type of person who would attend it.  Even when one school is arguably better academically than the other, the schools are different enough culturally – but each strong enough academically – that reasonable people could choose to attend each school.  The distaste for the type of person in one’s rival school is most commonly voiced by the public school, which finds its private school rival stuffy, entitled, uppity, and sheltered.

Examples:
-- UCLA vs. USC
-- Cal vs. Stanford
-- UNC vs. Duke (basketball)
-- Michigan vs. Notre Dame

 

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Aggregate Recruiting Rankings (Rivals, Scout, 247, ESPN)

By turd ferguson — June 23rd, 2011 at 4:31 PM — 34 comments

I’m sorry to post again, but I think the improvements are significant enough – thanks to some intelligent feedback – to warrant a new posting.

Below is my attempt to aggregate the Rivals, Scout, 247, and ESPN rankings into a universal list.  The goal is to draw from all of the data available to create a single list that eliminates the need to juggle rankings, ratings, and stars from four different sites when comparing prospects.

First, though, I’ll describe the logic and process.

 

The Process

There are countless ways to do this, and none of them is perfect.  Importantly, even though I’m a Michigan fan, I never considered how this would look for Michigan before deciding how to do it.  I’m trying to make this as objective and sensible as possible given time and data constraints.

The first decision one has to make is whom to include.  In my first draft, I included only those who appeared in the top X lists for all four sites.  Others thought that requirement was too rigid, so I’ve relaxed it here.  The players appearing on this list appear in at least three of the four following lists: Rivals’ top 250, Scout’s top 300, 247’s top 247, and ESPN’s top 300.  This eliminates the “veto power” nature of the first rankings (and the related outlier worries), since two sites would have to leave out a prospect for him to be excluded. 

The next decision is how to rank those who make it.  The most straightforward way to do this is to take the average ranking for each prospect across the four sites.  In an ideal world, each site would rank every prospect so there would be no missing data.  That isn’t reality.  Therefore, I imputed rankings where they were missing.  Here’s how I did in for each site (this is boring if you aren't interested):

  • ESPN – ESPN actually makes this the easiest, because they just rank thousands of prospects.   Every ESPN ranking here reflects ESPN’s actual ranking.
  • Rivals – Rivals ranks its top 250 prospects and then gives elite prospects a star rating and a “Rivals rating” of 4.9 to 6.1.  Using those ratings – and especially the Rivals rating – I found the range within which a recruit must fall (rankings-wise) and gave him the middle value.  For example, Rivals has 222 guys rated a 5.8.  Of them, 163 appear in the Rivals 250 (and 59 do not).  That means that a prospect who receives a rating of 5.8 from Rivals but does not appear in the Rivals 250 must rank somewhere between 251 and 309.  For this prospect, I would impute a ranking of 280.
  • 247 – Exactly the same logic as with Rivals except that I had to trust them when they said, for example, that about 300 prospects are rated 90 or higher.  (They don’t let you sort by prospect rating.)
  • Scout – This one might seem unusual, but I think it’s actually pretty accurate.  Scout doesn’t have anything like a Rivals rating, but it ranks prospects at their positions.  For those outside of the top 300, I took their position ranking and imputed based on where ESPN had that ranked overall.  For example, Scout has Amos Leggett as its #22 cornerback.  ESPN has its #22 CB ranked #404 overall, so this is Leggett’s imputed Scout ranking. (There was an exception to this with two TEs that I can explain if anyone's interested.)

I hope that makes sense, and I’m happy to answer questions in the comments.  Please feel free to share feedback or point out errors.

Also, if one of these sites significantly changes its rankings in the next few days I’m going to kill someone.

 

The Product

rank name pos mean Rivals Scout 247 ESPN college
1 Dorial Green-Beckham WR 2 1 2 2 3  
2 Eddie Goldman DT 6 4 15 3 2  
3 Mario Edwards DE 6.25 2 8 14 1 Florida State
4 Stefon Diggs S 9.25 8 12 8 9  
5 D.J. Humphries OT 10.25 3 18 13 7  
6 Arik Armstead OT 10.5 23 1 1 17 USC
7 Andrus Peat OT 11 15 3 4 22  
7 John Theus OT 11 7 4 6 27  
9 Johnathan Gray RB 11.5 14 9 15 8 Texas
10 Shaq Thompson S 11.75 10 11 5 21  
11 Noah Spence DE 13.75 13 6 32 4  
12 Gunner Kiel QB 14.25 19 16 10 12  
13 Eddie Williams S 18 20 36 11 5 Alabama
14 Keith Marshall RB 18.25 55 5 7 6  
15 Malcom Brown DT 22.75 26 26 26 13 Texas
16 Kyle Murphy OT 23.5 28 27 9 30  
17 Rushel Shell RB 26.25 33 10 39 23  
18 Jessamen Dunker OT 27.5 49 22 25 14 Florida
19 Jameis Winston QB 28.25 52 30 16 15  
20 Ellis McCarthy DT 29 6 29 28 53  
21 Darius Hamilton DE 29.25 5 25 20 67  
22 Nelson Agholor S 31.25 9 53 22 41  
23 Joshua Garnett OG 32.25 22 24 40 43  
24 Cayleb Jones WR 39.25 21 23 93 20 Texas
24 Tracy Howard CB 39.25 25 55 58 19  
26 Noor Davis OLB 39.75 30 77 34 18 Stanford
27 Geno Smith CB 40.25 47 54 29 31  
28 Dante Fowler DE 41.75 11 39 43 74 Florida State
29 Yuri Wright CB 42 41 75 12 40  
30 Shaq Roland WR 43.5 63 17 48 46  
31 Chris Black WR 44 57 71 19 29  
32 Landon Collins S 45 17 59 53 51  
33 Aziz Shittu DT 47.5 12 41 49 88  
33 Jordan Jenkins DE 47.5 56 44 27 63  
35 Kennedy Estelle OT 47.75 35 43 65 48 Texas
36 Jonathan Taylor DT 48 36 66 46 44 Georgia
37 Ifeadi Odenigbo OLB 48.75 48 60 37 50  
38 Kwon Alexander OLB 49 77 34 69 16  
39 Jarron Jones DT 49.75 67 14 21 97 Penn State
40 Josh Harvey-Clemons OLB 50.5 39 78 61 24  
40 Trey Williams RB 50.5 24 20 24 134 Texas A&M
42 Thomas Johnson WR 56.5 50 87 54 35 Texas
43 Jabari Ruffin OLB 57.25 46 104 45 34 USC
44 Ronald Darby CB 57.5 64 32 64 70 Notre Dame
45 Jordan Simmons OG 57.75 45 31 70 85  
45 Kyle Kalis OT 57.75 18 21 52 140  
47 Dominique Wheeler WR 59.25 66 48 78 45  
48 Devin Fuller QB 60.75 37 150 17 39  
49 Chris Casher DE 61.5 83 57 96 10 Florida State
50 Durron Neal WR 65 32 61 105 62 Oklahoma
51 Tommy Schutt DT 65.5 29 47 51 135  
52 Eli Harold OLB 71.25 59 58 38 130  
53 Channing Ward DE 73 120 37 41 94  
54 Adolphus Washington DE 74.75 86 19 98 96  
54 Barry Sanders RB 74.75 121 50 50 78  
56 Ricky Parks TE 77.75 92 80 66 73 Auburn
57 Zach Banner OT 79.75 31 46 117 125  
58 Connor Brewer QB 80.5 123 117 56 26 Texas
59 Avery Johnson WR 80.75 43 83 155 42 LSU
60 Tee Shepard CB 83.5 51 49 145 89 Notre Dame
61 Carlos Watkins DT 84.5 76 91 30 141  
62 Jonathan Bullard DE 84.75 16 106 136 81  
63 Alex Ross RB 86.5 183 89 36 38 Oklahoma
64 Quay Evans DT 87.5 169 7 141 33  
65 Joel Caleb WR 89.5 44 210 55 49  
66 Davonte Neal WR 91 136 114 86 28  
67 Brock Stadnik OT 91.25 165 69 72 59 South Carolina
68 Torshiro Davis OLB 93.75 97 136 71 71 LSU
69 Travis Blanks S 94.25 27 124 215 11 Clemson
70 Erik Magnuson OT 96 34 96 85 169 Michigan
71 Zach Kline QB 96.25 40 128 157 60 California
72 Mario Pender RB 98 53 88 204 47 Florida State
73 T.J. Yeldon RB 98.5 58 105 110 121 Auburn
74 Brian Poole CB 99 75 42 143 136 Florida
75 Reggie Ragland MLB 102.75 217 35 47 112 Alabama
76 Jordan Diamond OT 103 209 40 60 103  
77 LaDarrell McNeil S 105.25 107 51 83 180  
78 Peter Jinkens OLB 106 101 101 166 56 Texas
79 Byron Marshall RB 108.25 90 118 135 90  
80 Se'von Pittman DE 109.25 61 79 196 101 Michigan State
81 Germone Hopper WR 109.75 102 172 101 64 Clemson
82 Javonte Magee DT 110 127 81 44 188  
83 Terry Richardson CB 110.75 195 149 31 68 Michigan
84 Tyriq McCord DE 111 60 181 103 100  
85 Brian Nance OLB 113.75 73 125 67 190  
86 Avery Young OT 114.25 38 13 287* 119  
87 Dan Voltz OG 115 154 99 23 184 Wisconsin
87 Kendall Sanders CB 115 54 94 142 170 Oklahoma State
89 Devonte Fields DE 115.75 147 145 102 69 TCU
89 Kent Taylor TE 115.75 68 63 185 147  
91 Michael Starts OG 116.5 148 70 119 129 Texas Tech
92 Anthony Alford QB 117.25 105 230 35 99  
93 Justin Shanks DT 118.75 111 84 162 118  
94 Angelo Jean-Louis WR 119 113 223 88 52 Miami (FL)
95 Evan Boehm C 122 130 100 203 55 Missouri
96 Royce Jenkins-Stone MLB 123.25 87 115 174 117 Michigan
97 James Ross MLB 123.5 143 73 84 194 Michigan
98 Jordan Payton WR 124.25 96 56 199 146 USC
99 Derrick Woods WR 124.5 81 180 109 128  
100 Elijah Shumate S 124.75 112 93 76 218  
101 Brian Kimbrow RB 128.75 80 153 128 154  
102 Sterling Shepard WR 129.25 220 108 131 58 Oklahoma
103 Matt Davis QB 131.25 144 38 187 156 Texas A&M
104 Brionte Dunn RB 131.75 124 28 154 221 Ohio State-ish
105 Colin Thompson TE 133.75 197 95 160 83 Florida
105 Zeke Pike QB 133.75 72 33 18 412* Auburn
107 P.J. Williams S 134.5 173 127 124 114 Florida State
108 Dwayne Stanford WR 134.75 93 107 228 111  
109 Isaac Seumalo OG 135.5 175 168 134 65  
109 Jaquay Williams WR 135.5 94 116 173 159 Auburn
111 Bralon Addison WR 137 155 119 137 137 Texas A&M
112 Ronnie Stanley OT 140 149 76 62 273  
113 Sheldon Day DT 142.25 280* 65 80 144  
114 Deon Bush S 142.5 65 264 175 66  
114 Matt Jones RB 142.5 157 82 178 153 Florida
116 Kevon Seymour CB 143.75 85 193 132 165  
117 Jelani Hamilton DE 145 79 62 92 347* Miami (FL)
118 Alex Carter S 145.5 62 287 118 115 Stanford
119 Dillon Lee MLB 148 232 207 81 72 Alabama
120 Lorenzo Phillips OLB 149.5 146 199 111 142  
121 Vadal Alexander OG 151.25 280* 126 108 91  
122 Jalen Cope-Fitzpatrick TE 152 180 123 183 122  
123 Wayne Morgan S 155.75 139 270 33 181  
124 Paul Thurston OT 159.5 137 112 231 158 Nebraska
124 Timothy Cole OLB 159.5 99 151 129 259 Texas
126 Scott Starr MLB 160.75 110 186 106 241 USC
127 Korren Kirven DT 161.5 280* 194 63 109  
128 Marcus Maye S 162.75 128 195 120 208  
129 Cyrus Jones RB 165.25 224 250 150 37  
130 Denzel Devall DE 165.75 125 232 91 215  
131 Eugene Lewis WR 166.25 162 67 219 217  
132 Leonard Floyd DE 166.75 159 121 94 293 Georgia
133 Justin Thomas WR 168.75 205 217 82 171 Alabama
134 Reginald Davis WR 169.25 214 120 261* 82 Texas Tech
135 Amos Leggett CB 169.5 104 404* 75 95 Miami (FL)
136 Troy Hinds DE 170.75 215 72 114 282  
137 Greg Garmon RB 172.25 184 68 232 205  
138 Max Tuerk OT 172.5 103 243 287* 57 USC
139 Drae Bowles WR 173.25 109 300 182 102  
139 Leonard Williams DE 173.25 71 228 287* 107  
139 Vince Biegel OLB 173.25 95 218 214 166 Wisconsin
142 Faith Ekakitie DT 173.5 100 216 104 274  
142 J.J. Denman OT 173.5 242 111 181 160 Penn State
144 John Michael McGee C 173.75 82 169 210 234  
145 Camrhon Hughes OT 174.75 89 74 261* 275 Texas
146 Brandon Beaver CB 175.25 114 166 77 344*  
147 Quanzell Lambert MLB 178 117 204 127 264  
148 Kenyan Drake RB 180.5 280* 139 73 230 Alabama
149 Chris Muller OT 183.75 69 324* 100 242 Rutgers
150 Patrick Miller OT 184 199 222 113 202  
151 Keivarae Russell RB 185 106 152 42 440*  
151 Orlando Thomas CB 185 119 269 133 219 Texas
153 Camren Williams OLB 185.25 243 138 116 244 Penn State
154 Ty Darlington C 186 118 241 287* 98  
155 D.J. Foster RB 186.5 74 200 287* 185  
156 Aaron Burbridge WR 189.25 134 90 229 304*  
156 Ken Ekanem DE 189.25 185 191 159 222  
158 Ishmael Adams CB 191.5 98 253 201 214  
159 Curtis Riser OG 192.5 244 220 123 183 Texas
159 Marvin Bracy WR 192.5 245 177 238 110  
161 Joshua Perry OLB 194.75 131 231 235 182 Ohio State
162 Taylor McNamara TE 196.5 84 302* 144 256 Arizona
163 Chris Wormley DE 198.75 452* 113 57 173  
164 Raphael Kirby OLB 199 126 233 287* 150 Miami (FL)
165 Greg McMullen DE 202 88 183 140 397* Nebraska
166 Tyler Hayes OLB 203.75 452* 122 115 126 Alabama
167 Cyler Miles QB 204 160 272 138 246 Washington
168 Deaysean Rippy OLB 205.5 247 103 146 326*  
169 Dalvon Stuckey DT 207.25 207 171 184 267 Florida State
169 Omari Phillips OT 207.25 225 258 233 113 Florida
171 Jordan Watkins DE 207.75 171 142 163 355*  
172 Joe Bolden OLB 211 167 238 287* 152 Michigan
173 Ronnie Feist OLB 211.75 204 251 261* 131 LSU
174 Sean Price TE 219.75 190 301* 164 224  
175 Freddie Tagaloa OT 220.25 206 219 188 268  
176 Mike Davis RB 220.75 122 234 198 329* Florida
177 Kaiwan Lewis MLB 221 280* 158 240 206  
178 Jaleel Johnson DT 223.25 140 203 261* 289  
179 Nick James DT 223.75 452* 110 107 226  
180 Michael Barton OLB 226 280* 182 205 237 California
181 Beniquez Brown OLB 227 452* 134 195 127  
182 Martin Aiken DE 227.5 189 97 243 381*  
183 Paul Boyette DT 227.75 168 224 323* 196 Texas
184 Michael Moore DE 229.25 176 286 125 330* Virginia
185 Jeremi Powell OLB 229.5 218 275 170 255 Florida
186 Warren Ball RB 230 212 52 206 450* Ohio State
187 Reggie Daniels S 231.5 280* 154 208 284  
188 Adam Bisnowaty OT 234.75 177 302* 202 258  
189 Shane Callahan OT 235.25 191 173 323* 254 Auburn
190 Jonathan Williams RB 238 170 209 246 327* Missouri
191 Chad Voytik QB 242.5 153 277 368* 172  
191 Deontay McManus WR 242.5 108 247 139 476*  
191 Mike Madaras OT 242.5 230 260 287* 193 Maryland
194 Evan Baylis TE 242.75 280* 189 225 277 Oregon
195 Bart Houston QB 246.25 452* 160 197 176 Wisconsin
196 Jordan Diggs S 248.25 280* 268 158 287  
197 Deion Bonner S 252.5 452* 176 153 229  
198 Lacy Westbrook OG 255.75 213 137 186 487*  
199 Trevor Knight QB 264.75 228 274 261* 296 Texas A&M
200 Amara Darboh WR 268.75 194 161 148 572*  
201 Jody Fuller WR 272.75 210 543* 152 186  
202 Malcolm Lewis WR 274 164 596* 193 143  
203 Armani Reeves CB 274.25 187 144 59 707*  
204 Darreus Rogers WR 280.75 172 135 74 742* USC
205 Zac Brooks WR 282.5 174 278 126 552*  
206 Tom Strobel DE 284 231 211 169 525* Michigan
207 Quinteze Williams DE 285.25 452* 279 190 220 Florida
208 Bryce Treggs WR 288 133 102 230 687*  
209 Gabriel Marks CB 289.5 166 239 172 581*  
210 Ondre Pipkins DT 295 246 175 149 610*  
211 Kyle Dodson OT 302.25 152 187 192 678* Wisconsin
212 Brandon Fanaika OG 308.5 202 257 213 562*  
213 Edward Pope S 319.5 193 280 218 587* TCU
214 Quinshad Davis WR 321 250 292 234 508*  
215 Leonte Carroo WR 326.25 211 86 245 763*  
216 Deontay Greenberry WR 331.5 115 244 209 758* Notre Dame
217 Michael Richardson DE 371.25 756* 294 226 209 Texas A&M
218 Kwontie Moore MLB 383.25 116 1054* 97 266 Virginia
219 Germain Ifedi OG 384 756* 285 242 253 Missouri
*imputed              


A final note about ESPN

Several commenters in my previous diary expressed that they’d like to see these rankings without ESPN.  I don’t think there’s enough reason or evidence to dismiss ESPN entirely.  However, for those who are interested, here’s how some recruits would rank among the above prospects if ESPN were excluded:  Kalis (23), Washington (55), Magnuson (57), Ross (76), Dunn (79), Diamond (82), Richardson (104), Jenkins-Stone (106), Stanford (123), Burbridge (131), Pipkins (169), Strobel (181), Wormley (183), Bolden (201).  Of course, the list of prospects included would change if ESPN were ignored altogether.

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REVISED "Veto-Based Aggregate Recruiting Rankings"

By turd ferguson — June 19th, 2011 at 6:02 PM — 24 comments
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  • Recruiting Rankings
  • V-BAR rankings

Note:  I edited this since my original post to better utilize the ESPN data. Apologies if this makes some of the comments confusing.
 

Never having contributed anything of value to this site, I thought I’d take a shot at combining the Scout, Rivals, 247, and ESPN player rankings into one.  The goal is to come up with a straightforward way to compare elite recruits’ status with the ranking services (i.e. without forcing people to juggle rankings and star ratings from four different sites in their heads).

Aggregating across the sites is not easy, partly because of data availability and especially because of the different methods used by different sites.  There are countless ways to do this, with most requiring some kind of data imputation.  Since no data imputation strategy would be liked by all, I’m proposing a different method that requires no imputation.  Let’s call it the Veto-Based Aggregate Recruiting (V-BAR?) Rankings.  (Crappy name & acronym?  Check.)

The basic idea is that we restrict the rankings to players who appear in every site’s top X list (i.e. no one was unimpressed with the recruit) and then order them based on their average rankings across the sites.  It’s “veto-based” because any site can prevent a player from appearing on the aggregated list. 

I see two primary objections to this:
(1) It eliminates highly regarded prospects when only one outlier site is unsold on them.
(2) It gives excessive veto power to ESPN (and eliminates a lot of players) just because the ESPN 150 only ranks 150 prospects while the other services rank 247-300.

First, for (1).  This is just the design of this ranking.  Basically, to get on this list, there is consensus that you’re outstanding, and the average rankings tease apart just how highly you’re regarded.  Interestingly, for each recruiting service, one guy stands out, rankings-wise, as a glaring omission.  For Rivals, it’s Sheldon Day (#65 to Scout, #80 to 247, #144 to ESPN).  For Scout, it’s Amos Leggett (#104 to Rivals, #75 to 247, #95 to ESPN).  For 247, it’s Avery Young (#38 to Rivals, #13 to Scout, #119 to ESPN).  For ESPN, it’s Zeke Pike (#72 to Rivals, #33 to Scout, #18 to 247).  In general, though, there aren't too many really serious outliers.

Now for (2).  Giving ESPN excessive veto power seems problematic, especially since ESPN’s rankings are often questioned for their quality and objectivity.  Therefore, in addition to using the ESPN 150, I grabbed the next 150 players from ESPN’s recruiting rankings (link: http://espn.go.com/college-football/recruiting/prospects).  So we have rankings for 300 players from ESPN.

By my count, 147 players appear in Rivals’ top 250, Scout’s top 300, 247’s top 247, and ESPN’s top 300.  Here they are in order of average ranking across these four sites:

VETO-BASED AGGREGATE RECRUITING RANKINGS (as of 6/19/11)
(incorporates Rivals, Scout, 247, and ESPN)

RANK NAME AVG POS COLLEGE
1 Dorial Green-Beckham 2 WR  
2 Eddie Goldman 6 DT  
3 Mario Edwards 6.25 DE Florida State
4 Stefon Diggs 9.25 S  
5 D.J. Humphries 10.25 OT  
6 Arik Armstead 10.5 OT USC
7 Andrus Peat 11 OT  
7 John Theus 11 OT  
9 Johnathan Gray 11.5 RB Texas
10 Shaq Thompson 11.75 S  
11 Noah Spence 13.75 DE  
12 Gunner Kiel 14.25 QB  
13 Eddie Williams 18 S Alabama
14 Keith Marshall 18.25 RB  
15 Malcom Brown 22.75 DT Texas
16 Kyle Murphy 23.5 OT  
17 Rushel Shell 26.25 RB  
18 Jessamen Dunker 27.5 OT Florida
19 Jameis Winston 28.25 QB  
20 Ellis McCarthy 29 DT  
21 Darius Hamilton 29.25 DE  
22 Nelson Agholor 31.25 S  
23 Joshua Garnett 32.25 OG  
24 Cayleb Jones 39.25 WR Texas
24 Tracy Howard 39.25 CB  
26 Noor Davis 39.75 OLB Stanford
27 Geno Smith 40.25 CB  
28 Dante Fowler 41.75 DE Florida State
29 Yuri Wright 42 CB  
30 Shaq Roland 43.5 WR  
31 Chris Black 44 WR  
32 Landon Collins 45 S  
33 Aziz Shittu 47.5 DT  
33 Jordan Jenkins 47.5 DE  
35 Kennedy Estelle 47.75 OT Texas
36 Jonathan Taylor 48 DT Georgia
37 Ifeadi Odenigbo 48.75 OLB  
38 Kwon Alexander 49 OLB  
39 Jarron Jones 49.75 DT Penn State
40 Josh Harvey-Clemons 50.5 OLB  
40 Trey Williams 50.5 RB Texas A&M
42 Thomas Johnson 56.5 WR Texas
43 Jabari Ruffin 57.25 OLB USC
44 Ronald Darby 57.5 CB Notre Dame
45 Jordan Simmons 57.75 OG  
45 Kyle Kalis 57.75 OT Ohio State
47 Dominique Wheeler 59.25 WR  
48 Devin Fuller 60.75 QB  
49 Chris Casher 61.5 DE Florida State
50 Durron Neal 65 WR Oklahoma
51 Tommy Schutt 65.5 DT  
52 Eli Harold 71.25 OLB  
53 Channing Ward 73 DE  
54 Adolphus Washington 74.75 DE  
54 Barry Sanders 74.75 RB  
56 Ricky Parks 77.75 TE Auburn
57 Zach Banner 79.75 OT  
58 Connor Brewer 80.5 QB Texas
59 Avery Johnson 80.75 WR LSU
60 Tee Shepard 83.5 CB Notre Dame
61 Carlos Watkins 84.5 DT  
62 Jonathan Bullard 84.75 DE  
63 Alex Ross 86.5 RB Oklahoma
64 Quay Evans 87.5 DT  
65 Joel Caleb 89.5 WR  
66 Davonte Neal 91 WR  
67 Brock Stadnik 91.25 OT South Carolina
68 Torshiro Davis 93.75 OLB LSU
69 Travis Blanks 94.25 S Clemson
70 Erik Magnuson 96 OT Michigan
71 Zach Kline 96.25 QB California
72 Mario Pender 98 RB Florida State
73 T.J. Yeldon 98.5 RB Auburn
74 Brian Poole 99 CB Florida
75 Reggie Ragland 102.75 MLB Alabama
76 Jordan Diamond 103 OT  
77 LaDarrell McNeil 105.25 S  
78 Peter Jinkens 106 OLB Texas
79 Byron Marshall 108.25 RB  
80 Se'von Pittman 109.25 DE Michigan State
81 Germone Hopper 109.75 WR Clemson
82 Javonte Magee 110 DT  
83 Terry Richardson 110.75 CB Michigan
84 Tyriq McCord 111 DE  
85 Brian Nance 113.75 OLB  
86 Dan Voltz 115 OG Wisconsin
86 Kendall Sanders 115 CB Oklahoma State
88 Devonte Fields 115.75 DE TCU
88 Kent Taylor 115.75 TE  
90 Michael Starts 116.5 OG Texas Tech
91 Anthony Alford 117.25 QB  
92 Justin Shanks 118.75 DT  
93 Angelo Jean-Louis 119 WR Miami (FL)
94 Evan Boehm 122 C Missouri
95 Royce Jenkins-Stone 123.25 MLB Michigan
96 James Ross 123.5 MLB Michigan
97 Jordan Payton 124.25 WR USC
98 Derrick Woods 124.5 WR  
99 Elijah Shumate 124.75 S  
100 Brian Kimbrow 128.75 RB  
101 Sterling Shepard 129.25 WR Oklahoma
102 Matt Davis 131.25 QB Texas A&M
103 Brionte Dunn 131.75 RB Ohio State
104 Colin Thompson 133.75 TE Florida
105 P.J. Williams 134.5 S Florida State
106 Dwayne Stanford 134.75 WR  
107 Isaac Seumalo 135.5 OG  
107 Jaquay Williams 135.5 WR  
109 Bralon Addison 137 WR Texas A&M
110 Ronnie Stanley 140 OT  
111 Deon Bush 142.5 S  
111 Matt Jones 142.5 RB Florida
113 Kevon Seymour 143.75 CB  
114 Alex Carter 145.5 S Stanford
115 Dillon Lee 148 MLB Alabama
116 Lorenzo Phillips 149.5 OLB  
117 Jalen Cope-Fitzpatrick 152 TE  
118 Wayne Morgan 155.75 S  
119 Paul Thurston 159.5 OT  
119 Timothy Cole 159.5 OLB Texas
121 Scott Starr 160.75 MLB USC
122 Marcus Maye 162.75 S  
123 Cyrus Jones 165.25 RB  
124 Denzel Devall 165.75 DE  
125 Eugene Lewis 166.25 WR  
126 Leonard Floyd 166.75 DE Georgia
127 Justin Thomas 168.75 WR Alabama
128 Troy Hinds 170.75 DE  
129 Greg Garmon 172.25 RB  
130 Drae Bowles 173.25 WR  
130 Vince Biegel 173.25 OLB Wisconsin
132 Faith Ekakitie 173.5 DT  
132 J.J. Denman 173.5 OT Penn State
134 John Michael McGee 173.75 C  
135 Quanzell Lambert 178 MLB  
136 Patrick Miller 184 OT  
137 Orlando Thomas 185 CB Texas
138 Camren Williams 185.25 OLB Penn State
139 Ken Ekanem 189.25 DE  
140 Ishmael Adams 191.5 CB  
141 Curtis Riser 192.5 OG Texas
141 Marvin Bracy 192.5 WR  
143 Joshua Perry 194.75 OLB Ohio State
144 Cyler Miles 204 QB Washington
145 Dalvon Stuckey 207.25 DT Florida State
146 Freddie Tagaloa 220.25 OT  
147 Jeremi Powell 229.5 OLB Florida


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