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TomVH: Weekly Update: Decision Dates, Visits, and Who's Left
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We're in the middle of a recruiting dead period, and about a month away from signing day. I thought I would give an update on who's left on the board, time frames for when specific recruits will make their decisions, and who will be visiting in the near future.
Who's Left?
| Name | Position | State | Rivals Ranking |
|---|---|---|---|
| Demetrius Hart | RB | FL | 4 Star |
| Justice Hayes | RB | MI | 4 Star |
| Brennen Beyer | DE | MI | 4 Star |
| Blake Countess | CB | MD | 4 Star |
| Dallas Crawford | CB | FL | 3 Star |
| Jake Fisher | OL | MI | 3 Star |
| Delonte Hollowell | CB | MI | 3 Star |
| Kellen Jones | LB | TX | 3 Star |
| Chris Rock | DE/DT | OH | 3 Star |
| Greg Brown | DB | OH | 3 Star |
| Jack Miller | OL | OH | 3 Star |
| Desmond Morgan | LB | MI | 3 Star |
| Tony Posada | OL | FL | 3 Star |
| Matt Goudis | K | CA | 2 Star |
That's 14 current commitments, and for argument sake we'll just assume that Michigan will take 20 in this class. Rich Rodriguez has recently said they will take anywhere from 18-20 commits, so we'll go with 20. Here's a look at the most likely recruits left at each position, up to this point. There could be some new names pop up, but this list seems pretty solid for now.
| Name | State | Decision Date | Rivals Ranking |
|---|---|---|---|
| Kris Frost | NC | Army All American Game (Jan 8th) | 4 Star |
| Hakeem Flowers | SC | Either January or Signing Day. May still take visits. | 3 Star |
| Devin Lucien | CA | Signing Day. Visiting Michigan January 7th | 4 Star |
| Prince Holloway | FL | January 15th. Recently said he will commit to Michigan on his January 15th visit. | 3 Star |
Frost is in this category because he will most likely get his chance to try wide receiver before potentially moving to linebacker. The situation for Michigan here is that they may just lead for all four of these receivers.
| Name | State | Decision Date | Rivals Ranking |
|---|---|---|---|
| Wayne Lyons (S) | FL | Army All American Game | 4 Star |
| Raymon Taylor (ATH) | MI | Visiting January 7th. Decision after that. | 4 Star |
| Sheldon Royster (S) | NJ | Visiting January 7th. | 4 Star |
| James Richardson (CB) | TX | Deciding in January | 3 Star |
| Roderick Ryles (S) | FL | Planning a visit, decision date unsure. | 3 Star |
Again Michigan is in great position for most of these recruits.
| Name | State | Decision Date | Rivals Ranking |
|---|---|---|---|
| Jack Tabb | NJ | January | 3 Star |
| Frank Clark | OH | Visiting January 7th, decision date unsure. | 3 Star |
| Tanner McEvoy | NJ | Visiting January 7th, decision date unsure. | 3 Star |
Tabb is thinking over his decision, and will be announcing sometime in early or mid January. The coaching situation had been factoring into his decision, and he was also hoping for an offer from Miami. He's not getting the Miami offer, so it will be between Michigan, North Carolina, and Arkansas.
| Name | State | Decision Date | Rivals Ranking |
|---|---|---|---|
| Chris Bryant | IL | January, or Signing Day | 4 Star |
Bryant isn't sure if he wants to wait until signing day to make his decision, or just get it over with. He is waiting to see what happens with the coaches, but Michigan is likely to land Chris.
| Name | State | Decision Date | Rivals Ranking |
|---|---|---|---|
| Anthony Zettel (DE) | MI | Likely to decide in January. | 4 Star |
| Darian Cooper (DT | MD | Visiting January 7th, likely to decide signing day. | 4 Star |
| Max Issaka (DE) | NJ | May visit Michigan | 3 Star |
| Deion Barnes (DE) | PA | Visiting January 7th, decision in mid-late January or signing day | 4 Star |
As you can see, there are a lot of recruits left for only roughly 6 spots left. The good news is that there is a lot of quality left on the board. The recruits that are left and still have Michigan in the race are ranked highly, and more importantly could help Michigan in key areas.
Visits
The next visit weekend will be January 7th, and will be host to a good amount of prospects. Here's the list so far, and as usual will be updated as we get closer. These visits aren't set in stone, so they could change from now until the 7th.
- S Sheldon Royster - Michigan is in Royster's top four with North Carolina, Rutgers, and South Carolina
- DE Deion Barnes - Michigan is in Barne's top group with Penn State, South Carolina, and Georgia.
- WR Devin Lucien - Michigan is in a very favorable spot for Lucien. This visit could determine where he ends up.
- DT Darian Cooper - Cooper still lists Michigan in his top group, but definitely has concerns about the coaching situation. He should have some answers by this time.
- ATH Raymon Taylor - Recently offered by Michigan, and recently decommitted from Indiana I suspect that Michigan leads.
- TE Tanner McEvoy
- TE/LB Frank Clark - The Glenville prospect always speaks highly of Michigan, and is excited about the visit.
December 27th, 2010 at 1:00 PM | 
So how many other people are
So how many other people are
December 27th, 2010 at 1:15 PM |
Zettel and Frost.
Zettel and Frost.
Zettel and Frost.
December 27th, 2010 at 1:16 PM |
My money's on Frost and
My money's on Frost and
My money's on Frost and Bryant
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December 27th, 2010 at 1:41 PM |
Agree
Agree
Frost and Bryant!
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December 27th, 2010 at 1:46 PM |
Agree with Frost
Agree with Frost
I was hoping the other was Zettel, but for some reason I think it'll be Lyons. Hopefully Zettel still goes Blue in the end, along with all of our other serious needs.
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December 29th, 2010 at 9:50 AM |
Zettel to Penn St.
Zettel to Penn St.
According to his H.S. Coach Anthony Zettel has committed to Penn State. This is as of last night...via facebook...
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December 27th, 2010 at 1:16 PM |
I was!
I was!
I was thinking the same exact thing. I'm really not sure who they are going to be. The whole time I'm reading, I was like I wonder who the silent commits are!
December 27th, 2010 at 1:02 PM |
Your lack of a Kinard mention
Your lack of a Kinard mention
Your lack of a Kinard mention concerns me.
or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
December 27th, 2010 at 1:03 PM |
Until he talks to the coaches
Until he talks to the coaches
Until he talks to the coaches and they tell him that he's 100% in, I don't want to include him. From everything that I heard prior to his qualifying score it sounded like he wouldn't be in, so we'll see.
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December 27th, 2010 at 3:34 PM |
With the list of guys we're
With the list of guys we're
With the list of guys we're still in on, I'd prefer Kinard not be in this class. That goes double for Prince Holloway.
December 27th, 2010 at 4:43 PM |
Bold statement when Kinard
Bold statement when Kinard
Bold statement when Kinard did everything the coaching staff asked him to do in order to be on the team and he has been striving for those goals for over a year while being away from his family friends at a military academy.
or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
December 27th, 2010 at 6:12 PM |
Look, I'm not saying I don't
Look, I'm not saying I don't
Look, I'm not saying I don't want Kinard to succeed wherever he ends up. But I don't think it's a bad thing to say that there are 6 guys I'd prefer in this class over him. Was it a bold statement when the poster listed the 6 guys he wants and he left off Kinard and Holloway? He's saying the same thing I am.
I'm all for guys working hard and doing the right things to succeed in life. I'm proud of Antonio for what he has done, and I think it will benefit him greatly. That said, there are a lot of players who have done great things that aren't my first choice to come play football at UM.
We have a 6 spots left, and more than 6 quality guys who could fill them. I didn't say I'd rather leave a spot open than take Kinard, just that I think there are guys who will do a better job of helping us win football games than him, because outside of his work eithic off the field, which is admirable, I haven't heard a whole lot about how good he is at football, whereas many of the other guys who could take his spot have been much more heralded and sought after.
So Duderino, who would your six be if you could pick? When you're done, tell me why you want Kinard over guys like Royster or Tabb or Lucien or Barnes or Taylor another QB because you'd have to leave most of them off, assuming you include Zettel, Frost, Lyons, and Bryant and Cooper. Good guy or not, I have a hard time saying I'd rather us sign a low 3-star guy with offers from no one but us than a 4 star at a position of need who is being courted by a number of other big programs.
December 28th, 2010 at 12:41 AM |
think about how it reads to recruits
think about how it reads to recruits
Maybe you think it's just semantics, but there is a big difference between posting a wish list and naming recruits you don't want.
Eating is murder.
December 28th, 2010 at 10:08 AM |
wa wa what?
wa wa what?
What about the children?
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December 27th, 2010 at 5:24 PM |
good thing
good thing
it doesnt matter who you prefer, eh?
December 27th, 2010 at 6:14 PM |
OK, it's easy to make me look
OK, it's easy to make me look
OK, it's easy to make me look like the bad guy, but same question to you, which 6 would you pick?
December 27th, 2010 at 8:52 PM |
You do a good job
You do a good job
of making yourself look bad. I wouldn't mind taking Kinard with an extra year of post-high school football. Also, he has shown motivation and dedication to this team. He was a good enough prospect last year, he is an even better one now.
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December 27th, 2010 at 10:26 PM |
No doubt he's a good
No doubt he's a good
No doubt he's a good prospect. I never said anything negative about him, just that most of the other guys are better.
So maybe skip the personal dig, and answer the question. It's really easy to say that we'd like him, but the same can be said about a lot of our prospects. Tell me which of the many 4 star guys at positions of greater need you'd say "no thanks" to to get Kinard. Not a dis on him, but we just don't have room for everyone.
December 28th, 2010 at 10:12 AM |
Yessir
Yessir
I agree totally. In fact, I almost posted the exact same thing that got you negged here. I'd much rather have a solid four star type than Kinard. I don't see anything wrong with that statement. This isn't elementary school dodgeball here guys.
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December 28th, 2010 at 12:21 PM |
Honestly. I'm certainly
Honestly. I'm certainly
Honestly. I'm certainly against the "WTF why did we offer this scrub?" kind of post, but there's nothing wrong with saying "At the end of the recruiting cycle, I'd prefer we don't offer or accept a commitment from ______ because I think there are a number of guys we could get who would be better fits."
I didn't say he sucks and I didn't attack his character. People have no problem saying shit about Obi Ezeh sucking balls and being an idiot, and he's on our team. Seriously, people.
December 28th, 2010 at 1:30 PM |
Word
Word
Word
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December 28th, 2010 at 1:16 PM |
Using your list, here's my
Using your list, here's my
Using your list, here's my order of preference:
DT Darian Cooper 6-1/290 - An explosive D tackle is a big need in this class.
WR/LB Kris Frost 6-3/210 - Versatile athlete who could play one of two positions of need.
S Wayne Lyons 6-1/190 - Elite STUDENT athlete who will be a playmaker on the field and a role model off.
DE Anthony Zettel 6-4/255 - Physical D end who can stop the run and collapse the pocket.
DE Deion Barnes 6-4/225 - Lanky speed-rusher to get to the QB.
OG Chris Bryant 6-5/330 - Big physical O lineman that is a major need in this class.
LB/DE Antonio Kinard 6-4/230 - Mature, versatile athlete who can play three positions of need OLB, ILB, or DE
WR Devin Lucien 6-1/190 - Classic wideout with good speed, good hands, and high jump ability.
TE Jack Tabb 6-4/235 - With Martell Webb departing and Kevin Koger entering his senior year, TE is a position of need and Tabb offers the skills of a solid TE.
S Sheldon Royster 5-11/190 - RB converting to the defense, solid athlete without a clear position.
CB/Ath Ramon Taylor 5-10/175 - Talented corner would add depth to a position with depth but question marks.
This list isn't intended as a slight to any of the listed players, but instead to prioritize by combining need with talent.
BTW - We are still listed as an option with Jernigan and he would be number one on the list.
December 28th, 2010 at 6:41 PM |
I agree with a lot of this,
I agree with a lot of this,
I agree with a lot of this, except I would put Bryant higher - we are in major need for another OL, specifically an OG, in this class, and he's a good one. I don't know of another OL we're in on. I would also put Royster higher, we need a true FS and I think he could be one. I'd be OK with him not in the class, Bryant - not so much.
December 27th, 2010 at 1:03 PM |
Tom, quick question...
Tom, quick question...
... I see a lot of Jan 7th visits, which is great. What happens in a visit situation if there is no coaching staff in place to greet them? I REALLY don't want to turn this into a CC string, but I'm curious how visits go in general if there is a coaching transition.
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December 27th, 2010 at 9:58 PM |
There will be a coaching staff in place - we just dont know
There will be a coaching staff in place - we just dont know
what HC. The assistants will remain under contract until relieved. If you recall, Singletary, the recruiting coordinator and Fred Jackson stayed from the Lloyd era, but the assistants were not let go until sometime after the bowl game.
Typically in coaching transitions the recruiting coordinator will stay and at least one assistant.
The recent coaching change at Minnesota should give you some idea. The NIU coach brought in most of his assistants but left one of the holdovers from Brewster's staff along with the recruiting coordinator and some GA's.
I would expect that if Harbaugh is hired, he will spend much of his initial time trying to salvage current commits, and he will come for the recruiting weekend to greet whatever recruits decide to keep their visits, along with the other recruits that he has relationships with who are now interested in MI, just as RR did when he was hired.
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December 27th, 2010 at 1:06 PM |
posted from iPhone
posted from iPhone
No Kinard in your commits? I thought he had qualified.
December 27th, 2010 at 1:07 PM |
posted from iPhone
posted from iPhone
Sorry nvm too late
December 27th, 2010 at 1:13 PM |
Sorry if this was mentioned
Sorry if this was mentioned
Sorry if this was mentioned previously. Is the large Dr. Phillips contingent no longer visiting together?
December 27th, 2010 at 4:34 PM |
No. That ship has sailed.
No. That ship has sailed.
No. That ship has sailed.
December 27th, 2010 at 1:13 PM |
My wish list...
My wish list...
...not that my list means shit but I would like.
Zettel
Cooper
Bryant
Tabb
Lyons
Frost
and a Snake Oiled QB yet to be named.
I know thats 7 but it's a wish damn it.
Fuck it, Dude, let's go bowling.
December 27th, 2010 at 2:01 PM |
Are you implying that Nick
Are you implying that Nick
Are you implying that Nick Saban will be our next Head Coach?!
Special Teams means special times!
December 27th, 2010 at 2:21 PM |
7 or 8
7 or 8
I like your 6 and it is not out of the question for one or two current commits to change their mind so I'm thinking one or two more of those listed (Lucien and Taylor).
December 27th, 2010 at 3:30 PM |
Replace Tabb with Lucien
Replace Tabb with Lucien
UM could certainly use a TE and a QB in the class, but I don't think they are quite as important as some of the other needs.
My wish list:
- Bryant -- need a 4th OL with only 10 OL on scholarship next season
- Lucien -- need a true SE in the class (Hayes will be a slot and I want Frost at LB)
- Zettel -- stud in-state DE and UM fan == must get
- Cooper -- DT is the most important need left in the class
- Frost -- OLB not WR...please
- Lyons -- Lyons at SS and Crawford at FS in my dream scenario
We ARE Michigan....COME GET SOME!!!
December 27th, 2010 at 4:07 PM |
that is exactly how I hope
that is exactly how I hope
that is exactly how I hope this class finishes out as........and they're all 4 star which would really put a nice finishing touch for this class!
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December 27th, 2010 at 5:25 PM |
We need a FS more than Lyons.
We need a FS more than Lyons.
We need a FS more than Lyons.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:55 PM |
Game changer
Game changer
We need a game changer on D at any position more than we need a FS...our depth is getting pretty strong, we really need "an old school Michigan elite level game changing" talent...regardless of positional need.
December 27th, 2010 at 1:15 PM |
Hypothetical question
Hypothetical question
With only 6 scholarships remaining and about 17 recruits on your board, what happens if they have more guys who want to come than scholarships to hand out? Do you have any guestimate as to which position groups would get the nod?
I'm assuming if Bryant and a TE say 'Yes', that would be two scholarships gone with 4 remaining. I'm assuming the dline would be a priority but any idea on the remaining scholarships might break down by position group?
December 27th, 2010 at 1:59 PM |
hmmmm...
hmmmm...
Well, we know how they'd handle this conundrum in the SEC...
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December 27th, 2010 at 5:52 PM |
I regret to inform you...
I regret to inform you...
that your LSU chick-pic, as excellent as it may be, will never rank better than Number 2 on the all-time list of LSU chick-pics.
As they say in Cajun French, Voila:
December 27th, 2010 at 6:06 PM |
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December 27th, 2010 at 6:20 PM |
The woman to the left is topless too - I'd have to see her paint
The woman to the left is topless too - I'd have to see her paint
to really remark on this whole thing.
*Patiently waits for updated image*
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December 27th, 2010 at 11:09 PM |
I thought the woman to the left was Billy Ray Cyrus.
I thought the woman to the left was Billy Ray Cyrus.
In Baton Rouge, you never know. Best to be very careful.
December 27th, 2010 at 1:16 PM |
Just noticed a small thing..
Just noticed a small thing..
You have Zettel listed from Maryland and Cooper from Michigan. Didn't want it to harm your pretty tables.
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December 27th, 2010 at 1:21 PM |
Tom - One thing, as we get to the end of the season.
Tom - One thing, as we get to the end of the season.
It seems to me as though we are competing for kids with a number of schools whose classes have already been nearly filled up. That would seem to bode well for Michigan. How many more kids can OSU, Florida, UNC and MSU, etc., take?
And, looking at the numbers and the individual kids, apart from the notable stories of Dee Hart and Dallas Crawford, it seems really hard to make a case that any uncertainty over Rich Rodriguez has "hurt" recruiting. I say that, from the standpoint of pure recruiting strategy, not as an attmept to threadjack this into a repeat of the 541st 'Coaching Change' topic.
December 27th, 2010 at 1:29 PM |
I think the biggest thing for
I think the biggest thing for
I think the biggest thing for me with the coaching uncertainty is that they potentially could have already had this class filled up by now. If there was no controversy or uncertainty, they may only be looking for 1 more spot to fill, rather than 6 while having a few commits potentially looking around.
I can't really say for sure if it has hurt us or it hasn't, because we would need to go back in time and run the same scenario without any coaching uncertainty to see who certain recruits would pick. Obviously impossible unless you're Marty McFly.
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December 27th, 2010 at 2:09 PM |
Exactly, Tom.
Exactly, Tom.
That was the answer I was expecting. That is, while none of us can know for sure, the net effect of the RR-uncertainty seems to be more of a delay in filling this class, as opposed to any real net harm to the quality of the class.
Thanks for your thoughts.
December 27th, 2010 at 1:29 PM |
In regards to your first
In regards to your first
In regards to your first paragraph, most teams will keep at least one or two slots open for NSD. And if an elite prospect wants to commit, they'll make room LSU-style.
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December 27th, 2010 at 1:50 PM |
Please
Please
Let's not do anything LSU-style.
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December 27th, 2010 at 1:32 PM |
Aargh?
Aargh?
It appears we will not get other positions of need d/t taking slots.
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December 27th, 2010 at 2:11 PM |
Tom I love you. No homo
Tom I love you. No homo
Tom I love you. No homo
So how many other people are reading way too far into Tom's write-ups to figure out who the two silent commits are?
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