Try running a 4.4 forty time with a corner's hand on your hip. A lot of straight line speed gets negated on the field. I want corners with instinct, quick reaction, and hips on a swivel, not to mention someone that can make a play on the ball. Watch game film against quality opponents and use that as a measuring stick for potential.
TomVH: Sparq Scores from The Opening
As everyone knows by now there are several Michigan commitments and targets at the Nike event, The Opening, in Oregon. You can watch some of the events tonight on ESPNU at 9pm. The first part of the week was spent with the prospects running combine drills to figure out their Sparq training score.
The Sparq score is determined by using an equation that combines the prospect's forty yard dash, shuttle, powerball* (measured in feet), and vertical leap. Here are a look at the scores for the Michigan commitments and targets, and you can also see the rest of the scores here. The finals video is here.
|DB Anthony Standifer||4.61||4.38||38||30.7||91.77|
|DB Terry Richardson||4.55||4.22||31||33.2||87.93|
|DE/LB Mario Ojemudia||5.02||4.44||35||30.1||79.29|
|OL Erik Magnuson||5.38||4.78||41||22||77.85|
|WR Dwayne Stanford||4.73||4.35||40||34.9||101.64|
|OL Kyle Murphy||5.31||4.52||42||28.3||96.21|
|DE Adolphus Washington||4.97||4.57||42.5||24.6||91.89|
|OL Josh Garnett||5.38||4.68||38||28||90.81|
|OL Adam Bisnowaty||5.31||5.34||44.5||25.6||79.89|
|OL Zach Banner||5.54||5.34||44.5||19.6||79.89|
|TE Ron Thompson||5.27||4.51||38||25.4||75.51|
Top Three Scores:
|DB Daje Johnson (TCU)||4.34||4.01||45||40.8||146.52*|
|RB Derrick Henry (2013)||4.54||4.29||42.5||39.2||134.19|
|RB Altee Tenpenny (2013)||4.49||3.92||41||35.1||133.77|
As you can see this testing isn't necessarily set up for the bigger prospects to score high. The forty times were, I believe, laser timed also. That's at least what people were tweeting that were at the event. Take from this what you will, just interesting to see how they all stack up if nothing else.
Derrick Henry is also a 6'4", 222 lb running back. He's in the 2013 class and took second in the preliminary ratings.
Ohio RB Bri'onte Dunn only had a 40 time recorded, it was a 4.77.
*The powerball is throwing a weighted ball from their knees as far as they can.
**I believe Daje' Johnson's score is a record
40 times do not say anything about toughness or pure speed. What it does say is hey that guy is really quick off the block. Richardson 4.5 is decent and for his height he showed some serious athleticism. I am not going to jump on this wagon of this one day showing what our top prospects full potential. And by the way thanks to all who let this happen i live in north dakota where i am probably the olny michigan football or athletics fan there is so thank you for all the hard work you put in i will also be looking into to donating as this in my opinion is better than the pay sites.
You live in a state I would love to live in. I just finished up college, so I hope to get into my profession in your state, or states that surround your state (Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, or South Dakota).
Did you click on the link provided which displayed all of the particpants' scores? Almost every WR listed ran a 4.55 or higher. You've been bamboozled by the fake 40-times listed by recruiting services
Dunn had a 4.77? Stanford had a time of 4.77? Dang
Mistake. Stanford had a 4.73, not a 4.77.
tonight at 9 on ESPNU and Friday and Saturday
just like the next guy who reads this blog, but I'm more interested in their Football IQ. It's great if you're fast, but as DJ Williamson will tell ya: "It doesn't always translate"
Did he not participate ??
IIRC, he's recovering from a slight injury and is just there to have fun and recruit other kids to U of M.
He pulled up in the 40 with a hamstring issue. Didn't do any of the other drills.
Here's a highlight film of Daje Johnson if anyone's interested:
This kid is going to put up insane numbers in the Big East.
Wow is every single play this kid makes a 50 to 60 yard touchdown!! He looks like a young marshall faulk i am not even playin. Tom can we bring him to michigan?? Lol
Who cares about 40 times as long as they can cover their man and can hit someone in the mouth
I'll agree that 40 times are overvalued, but that's a really, really bad time. Was he injured going into the camp or something like that?
The lead trainer for the Sparq or Tom Luginbill said that coaches and scouts are looking more and more at the shuttle time becuase that might translate better to actually on the field performance.
I wouldn't get too bent out of shape about the 40 times. Watching the show the times varied greatly from one trial to the next. One guy ran a 4.69 and on his next attempt ran a 4.45. That shows that the times above really are meaningless.
I would much rather see the one vs. ones or the 7v7 highlights and then make my judgements about how our guys fare against the best talent in the nation
for those disappointed with 40 times:
a lot of time in the 40 can be made up by coaching specific technique to run the 40 well. most of all the start, acceleration, etc. as high schoolers it's like a standardized test where some kids have more tutoring then others.
so moreso then later on in there career, 40 times as a 17 yr old are heavily skewed by speed coaching and not necessarily game speed. though obviously faster times the better.
in my opinion, the 40 is not a level playing field for measuring speed until usually the latter stages of a player's college career and almost certainly during the nfl combine when everyone has gone through a strenuous s&c program
Wonder what Tom Brady's sparq scores would have been in high school..,,this stuff is nonsense
Has anyone been SPARQ rated on here? I was going to do it, but got injured before I could. I'd be curious to know what "normal" people's scores are.
Yeah. 40 times are good. You know what's even better? Being able to play football.
Do we have any context for these numbers? For instance, do we know the average scores by position group, or anything like that?
Sam McGuffie scored a 104.85.
Alright, so it's a slow day at work, so I decided to go ahead and answer my own question. This is the result of a dangerous combination of boredness and curiosity, but I thought I'd share just in case anybody else is interested. So, here's what I found for average SPARQ scores by position group:
- Cornerbacks: 102.75
- D-Line: 94.20
- Linebackers: 106.33
- O-Line: 83.33
- Quarterbacks: 85.31
- Running backs: 115.00
- Safeties: 109.62
- Tight ends: 84.19
- Wide receivers: 102.09
- Overall average: 98.09
However, some guys were above average for their position group, but below average overall, and vice versa (below average for their position group, but above average overall). Here's a quick breakdown of guys in those categories:
Above avg. for position group, below avg. overall
- CB: 0
- DL: 0
- LB: 0
- OL: 6, or 86% of all OL who were above average for their position group
- QB: 1, or 33% of all QB who were above average for their position group (super small sample size here)
- RB: 0
- S: 0
- TE: 3, or 100% (another real small sample size)
- WR: 0
Below avg. for position group, above avg. overall
- CB: 2, or 20%
- DL: 0
- LB: 3, or 30%
- OL: 0
- QB: 0
- RB: 5, or 83% (Bri'onte Dunn's SPARQ score is not listed)
- S: 4, or 57% (Chaz Elder's score is not listed)
- TE: 0
- WR: 3, or 23%
I am anything but a mathematician, so I've tried to keep it simple. I know this stuff doesn't mean a whole lot, and the sample sizes for each position vary and are small anyway, but at least now you have an idea of how guys did in relation to averages for the camp.
Edit: FYI, I have a spreadsheet with the averages by position group for each of the stat categories listed on The Opening's website, so if you are curious about those, just let me know.
Thanks for sharing this info - I think many times people put too much weight on these numbers though (not to say that I'm not interested in them anyway) - obviously, you can't be a fat slob or a slow-poke, but other factors that are unquantifiable, such as not giving up on the play, awareness and intelligence on the field, and heart (hart?) are just as important. (I'm thinking of Zack Novak @ the MSU game, yelling at everyone).
Or perhaps the best example of this would be T. Brady - on "paper", horrible - but the intangibles made him one of, if not the best QB of all time.
For example, how come T-Rich was better than Standifer in 3 of 4 tests, but Standifer has a higher SPARQ rating. Thanks.
Also, I wouldn't get bent out of shape about the 40 times. Looks like a slow track - most everyone seemed to be at least a couple tenths slower than their previously reported time. The more likely scenario is that this event has accurrate 40 times because it is being done professionally. At any rate, the only thing that matters is relative speed.
You could win 2 out of 3 periods and hockey and still lose the game.
Also for this weight plays a role. A heavier player with the same scores as a lighter player will have a higher rating.
Manningham ran a 4.59 at the combine as well. Not too worried about it.
Edit: This was supposed to be in reply to the Stanford topic
Some perspective on the importance of 40 times.
Nelson Agholor: 4.59 40 time.
Meanwhile. . .
1:03 ScoutKennedy: WR Nelson Agholor out of #FL can FLYYYYYYY. One of the fastest kids I've seen so far at #theopening [via Twitter]
1:22 ScoutKennedy: Nelson Agholor had a 50 yard catch from Chad Kelly on a fly route to set up a TD. Did I mention Agholor was fast? At #theopening [via Twitter]
the only 40 time i care about is when the rb is carrying 2 defenders.
Here's my problem with 40 times, if one guy runs a 4.7 40 and another guy runs a 4.5 40. That means dude was 2/10 of a second faster over 40 yards. (Bear with me).
2/10 is a blink of an eye if not less.
I realize speed is important and the game is growing quicker, but give me a good route-running, jump-ball taking, guy who runs a 4.7 40 over a guy who runs a 4.5 and can't figure out plays, doesn't have good body position, is 5'10'', etc.
Same goes for every position on the field.
Keep in mind that the times your talking about is the difference between a Denard 87 yard TD and a Mike Hart frustrating caught-from-behind-not-TD. So they kind of do make a big difference. That being said, I really like Stanford not because of his speed, but because who the fuck cares as he will out jump the guy covering him anyway.
Wow Reeves and Morgan really showing well, coming in 15th and 16th on that preliminary list. Surprised the UM staff stopped recruiting them so early
It said Suhs score with the new testing would of been between 50-65. I got it on DVR and will verify it later. Seems quite low for a future all-pro.