Thumbs Down on the New Voting System

Submitted by UMFootballCrazy on
Recently…yesterday, I believe…there appeared little up and down arrows at the side of each post allowing you to vote on whether you like or dislike a particular post. On the surface, this might seem like a good idea; but there are two reasons that come to mind immediately for me as to why this is a bad idea. I liked the idea of points [did not like that they were not retroactive…it was not fun starting over like a n00b when the 20 point minimum was suddenly imposed] as it forces you to earn your stripes before posting something more substantial. I very much dislike the voting. The first reason is practical. There is no explanatory post and how it works does not seem altogether clear. It seems that if I write a blog entry, I am getting dinged for every negative vote given in the whole thread. Not cool. Why would I post a diary entry if that were the case? All it takes is one idiot to post a response and, wham, I am losing bunches of points. Or if a thread devolves, the “owner” of the thread bears the brunt of this. I am sure this is correctable, but it seems that this is how it is working at the moment. If this is how it is working, not a good way of doing it. My second and most important reason for disliking the voting, is its anonymity. It is one thing to disagree with or dislike something I have to say and then take the time to stand behind your opinion by posting a reply. Some people can be lightning rods, offering the contrarian opinion. Even if that contrary position is well thought out, a person can be blackballed without anyone having to stand up and own up to their dislike for the opinion. It also lends itself to a mob mentality and clique behaviour. The thought of someone being “punished” for something they say and never knowing who it was who voted against them, and those who give the “thumbs down” never having to own up to their negative opinion strikes me as a fundamentally bad idea. A person should have the right to face their accusers. I think there will also be the popularity vote, that is, the guys who are part of the “in” crowd getting undeserved positive votes. Now, if you were to have positive votes only, in that you could add a “thumbs up” to a particularly good post, I might be in favour of that. But I believe that in the end, the best way to police abusive posters is to report them and if you have a critique you should man up and post it with your name behind it, report it to Brian for follow up and if you won’t do either of those two things, frankly you don’t deserve to have your opinion heard, let alone be give the opportunity to give an anonymous and repercussion free “thumbs down.”

Comments

The FannMan

July 4th, 2009 at 4:04 PM ^

I guess that points will help monitor the cite and who is a "good" poster and who is "bad." The problem so far is that it rewarded volume over qualify. I have few points becuase I don't post unless I think I have something new to say. I never really cared until today. Now, I don't get to vote and I guess I am subject to banishment or whatever. Frankly, I am still not sure if I care. I guess I only have an issue if having a low or negative total means automatic banhammer. (I do not think that is the case.) I'm fine with it if low points just means Brian takes a look at your posts -I assumed he did that anyway. With that said, the free t-shirt isn't a bad idea.

Seth9

July 5th, 2009 at 7:37 PM ^

Assuming that a large majority of posters on this site are not trolls, idiots, etc., I believe that there is a simple solution to making the points system work. First of all, when you see a bunch of minus votes on a post that you feel are undeserved, give the post a plus vote to help counteract the damage to the poster. As plus votes are twice as powerful as minus votes, even a minority that feels that an opinion is valid can keep the post from being unfairly damaging to the poster's point total. Secondly, do not vote down anything unless the opinion is obviously intended to be irritating to others. Nobody should vote down a post expressing an opinion just because they don't agree with it. Finally, everyone should give up votes to posts that they feel are intelligent and well-written. Only voting down will create a highly negative atmosphere that would lead to weaker discussions as people would be afraid of sharing their opinions.

mejunglechop

July 4th, 2009 at 1:08 PM ^

There should be a limit to how many down votes you can give a particular user over a given set of time. Also I agree with the OP, the anonymity of the up/down voting is worrying.

lhglrkwg

July 4th, 2009 at 2:10 PM ^

i suppose if i were to someone on this board (you for instance), i could go find every post you ever made, downvote it and end you. right? i guess i'd have to be a pretty big dbag to do that but that would be possible for one person to have a big say in someone's points if that isn't somehow restricted

mejunglechop

July 4th, 2009 at 4:26 PM ^

Well the feature that makes downvoting cost you points hasn't been implemented yet. I will be happy when it has. And the reason for my comment is that I noticed someone, within the span of 2 minutes downvoted me on something like 7 separate threads.

wolverine1987

July 4th, 2009 at 3:11 PM ^

Brian's attempt here is to prevent the board from devolving into an M Live or Freep type board, with trolls and idiots posting daily and hijacking conversations. If McFarlin or his descendants post intentionally or unintentionally stupid shit, this system may help more than simply "manning up" and writing a post. If 10 people do that's great, but if another 10 don't have something original to add but still want to express their displeasure with the opinion, the point system will help show how a larger cross section of the board feels about a post. Some of you guys who criticize the WLA or other "cliques" on the board should like this--it may show that disapproval or approval isn't limited to the first 5 "cool kids" who respond--therefore it seems more democratic to me. Just like democracy, which is the worst system there is except for all of the others, this system is open to abuse. But IMO it's a fine first attempt.

Emil Faber

July 4th, 2009 at 3:21 PM ^

I think it would be best and I would be happiest if I were to assign all points. I know that I have the insight and knowlwedge to do the job perfectly. I feel that if a post is satisfactory to me, it will be satisfactory to all and when I feel a post sucks, it sucks. I have devised a system to score posts that, in my opinion, is perfect. It allows me to objectively consider grammar, spelling, and such as well as the logic of a post from a humanitarian perspective. I have applied my system to several threads here and, if I say so myself, the results are outstanding. I have agreed completly with them. I know that I will be happiest knowing that I am posting to a board that keeps me and my wants as a primary goal and thus it will make you happy, too.

StephenRKass

July 4th, 2009 at 6:36 PM ^

I don't know about voting, but it does sev things . . . first, it forces some of the silent readers to contribute at least minimally to the conversation. Second, it is an attempt at troll control. The details may not work, but the attempt is worthwhile.

UMFootballCrazy

July 4th, 2009 at 9:36 PM ^

I have read all of the comments, many of them thoughtful, and still remain unmoved in my assessment of why an anonymous voting system is a bad idea. In addition to many excellent comments, much of the bad behaviour that I suspected would take place, has taken place. I, for one will not use the new voting system. I am somewhat relieved that my point count has gone up and so will not be voted into oblivion. The double prong of answering trolls and dickheads and/or reporting them for potential banning should be sufficient in my mind, and force the complaintant to stand behind their accusations.

UMFootballCrazy

July 6th, 2009 at 11:14 AM ^

I have changed my mind...I still dislike the voting system, but I am going to use it offer up the occasional "thumbs up" on particularly good post, especially if it makes me laugh.

saveferris

July 6th, 2009 at 5:57 PM ^

Two issues: 1. Agree completely on the problem with anonymity. If voting is to become the feedback loop that it seems to be intended, people need to separate sincere voting from folks who just have a vendetta against another poster. 2. Currently you are informed you gained or lost a point, but it doesn't tell you for what. This is a minor issue, but it might be useful feedback to some as well.

M-Dog

July 9th, 2009 at 10:22 PM ^

I just posted to find out. Is the cure worse than the disease here? I always thought MgoBlog was remarkably troll-free. The few trolls we did have seemed a cut above your run-of-the-mill trolls.