Three and Out: Pages 250-end

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Okay, last installment. For the previous installments, see: http://mgoblog.com/diaries/three-and-out-100-pagesfor the first 100 pages, and http://mgoblog.com/diaries/three-and-out-pages-100-250 for pp. 100-250. Also, you might want to check out the comments to those entries for more exposition and clarification.

It’s clear that this whole book, and this subject, reopen a lot of old wounds and dig up a lot of old debates. I’ve actually thought a little bit over the past two days about what a couple commenters said, which was that they don’t think they’ll read the book because of a handful of reasons, notably because, well, it’s in the past, and why dig up old bodies, beat dead horses, reopen old wounds? I am conflicted by that notion.  In a way, I understand that line of thinking- reading this book isn’t a fun exercise after a certain point because it reminds the reader of the agony of those 3 seasons. It is not a happy tale, and today, we have a new regime, a 6-0 team, and things are looking up. At the same time, I think it’s hard to discuss the past regime, the differences between Hoke & Co. and the past regime, and, most importantly, the differences between the two transitions without revisiting the dark days of late 2007-January, 2011. But the more I read the book, I could come to appreciate the idea that rehashing all of the negativity may not be something that many wish to do. That being said, I think it will be hard going forward to discuss the RR era without reading this book, even if you doubt the “spin” put on the story contained within its pages.

 Again: this book is written from the RR perspective. Bacon was following RR, his team, etc. So a grain of salt (which many have rightfully pointed out) is wise.

These are just my musings on what jumped out at me, things I found interesting (personally) and thought that those who haven’t gotten a chance to read this yet might also find interesting. I actually finished the book a couple of days ago, but haven’t had a chance to write this yet.

Team Togetherness

One thing that strikes me is that the team really seems to stick together throughout all of the negativity- the Free Press stuff, the losing, the rumors, etc. Over and over again, Bacon muses that he figures the team would quit on the staff, that, at times, they probably should quit on the staff, etc. He seems to look for cracks in the team’s drive/mission/togetherness, especially throughout 2009’s slide and in 2010 when the players themselves are fully aware of all the rumors.  But if that was ever the case, he didn’t see it. Until, perhaps, the Mississsippi State bowl game, where the seniors, at least (but really more likely the whole team) were of the impression that RR was done, win-or-lose (more on that below).

 Dave Brandon

The Les Miles stuff was purely for show and to appease the fanbase. He says, quote, that Les Miles would be Michigan’s head coach “over my dead body” when RR asked him about it when the rumors reached a fever pitch in late December 2010.  The book doesn’t say why. I have a feeling that there are multiple reasons, and at the very least, some of the nastiest rumors must be either a.) true, or b.) believed by enough people in the Michigan community who actually have a say in things (LC, Brandon, among them) that Les was never a serious candidate.

Brandon also handled the transition infinitely better than Bill Martin from a “players leaving” standpoint. As soon as it was announced, he (DB) called a meeting with the players and asked them not to leave. Far cry from LC holding a meeting and saying “if you want to leave, I’ll sign.” DB told the players if there was a mass exodus, they’d be “crippling” the program.

 

Furthermore, after DB left the room, Molk, Van Bergen, and the other seniors-to-be stood up and said, essentially, “don’t leave. We’ve all come too far.” Seems everyone had learned from the 2007 debacle.

 

Also of note: Dave Brandon said that he’d talked to “lots of players” before making the decision to fire RR, and that his “door was always open” and had always been open. Apparently not to Denard Robinson. Denard requested an audience with Brandon multiple times between the U of M Bust dinner and the bowl game, both in Ann Arbor and after they’d all gotten to Jacksonville. Brandon never met with him during that time.

The 2010 Bust, Josh Groban, December 2010, and Senior Exit Interviews

To Bacon, this is where RR’s tenure ended. He seems to think that after the Groban debacle, RR was toast. Many people were exchanging uneasy glances as he started doing it (asking for the song to be played) saying (by their looks) please don’t do this.  When the lights went up, Bacon says that even RR supporters whom he knew were, essentially, like “yeah…that was bad, and he’s done.” Also, apparently, there were rumors that Fox Sports and others were offering $50-100k for the tape. Dave Brandon told the film crew who were present that if the tape of the incident were released, they’d never have access to Michigan again.

 Seniors conducted exit interviews with the A.D. (associate AD Greg Harden) in the weeks following the bust (but before the bowl game) and the conclusions the players reached was that Rich Rod was gone. The student managers told Bacon that, point blank, the seniors all “knew” RR was getting fired and, thus, “no one wanted to be here.” I’m talking about the student managers talking about what the players told them. And that trickled down from the seniors to the rest of the team. “They realized winning would bring not freedom from their burdens—as it would have earlier in the season—but an extension of them. The way things were set up, they had more incentive to lose than to win.” (P. 419). That quote is clearly Bacon’s opinion. 

During this time, the coaches themselves were concerned. Rich Rod, of course, had a contract. His assistants did not. The assistants “knew that other schools might be interested in them—particularly Maryland—if Rodriguez would just entertain the offers, but he steadfastly refused.” (P. 418). Apparently, his assistants refused overtures (if there were any) as well, as Rodriguez said that none of them had approached him in the time between the tOSU game and the bowl game saying that they’d either a.) reached out to other schools, or b.) were considering offers from other schools.

On Hoke, from Dan Dufek: “He’ll be successful because we’re not going to do to him what some of those guys did to Rich,” talking about the former players, etc. (P. 428).

The school orders rings for every bowl game. They are allowed to do so and give them to all members of the coaching staff and football staff who were on the staff at the time of the bowl game. Michigan ordered Gator Bowl rings, but didn’t give them to RR and his assistants and any that RR had hired. They did give one to Scott Draper. When RR came to UM in 2008, even WVU sent him one from their Orange Bowl trip. Petty, not that important, but still…ugh.

Barwis, post-firing

When RR was fired, Brandon told the players that the new staff would pick its assistants and its strength staff, but that Barwis was still employed by the University. Sometime in either January or February of 2011, Florida State offered Barwis a package that would make him the highest paid strength coach in the country, a multi-year deal, and would employ all of his staff. He turned them down, as he was still coaching at Michigan and, assumedly, thought Hoke might keep him and his staff. In March, Hoke went a different direction, so Barwis opened BarwisMethods in Michigan.

Danny Hope

Rodriguez isn’t the one who alerted the Big Ten to the punch by one of Purdue’s players (in a game not against Michigan) that got the player suspended. It was actually someone in Purdue’s own athletic department. However, after the Michigan-Purdue game in 2009, Hope pulled the stunt where he grabbed RR’s hand and brought the player (Zach Reckman)over and said “I want to introduce you to the man who got you suspended.” After that stunt, RR had a quote that I found humorous, which he blurted out after he told Rita what happened: “Bullshit! I gotta get my ass beat by a junior high school, no-class asshole?” I think JHSNCAH should be Hope’s acronym from here on out.

Justin Turner and Wingless Wolverines

So, summertime workouts are voluntary. Showing up to the first day of fall practice, however, is not. In the summer of 2010, Tate, Gallon, Austin White, and Justin Turner showed up to fall camp out of shape, after having loafed throughout the summer. Turner famously said of the S&C staff (when one of his teammates warned him): “they can’t break me.”

The team had a conditioning run, and the three who didn’t make in the time for their position group were White, Gallon and Turner. Tate made it, barely, by diving across the line. However, his landlord then called RR and told him Tate hadn’t been paying his rent. So these four gentlemen got two pieces of special punishment: no wings on their helmets until they earned them back, and a “Breakfast Club” conditioning workout.

Amazingly, RR himself did the drills with them, at least for the first part of the Breakfast Club drills. They involved a stairmaster, then lots of situps. It lasted only 45 minutes, but clearly had an impact on Turner. The workout ended at 7 am. He asked for a transfer by 2 pm.

Coordinators’ Salaries

This is mentioned on page 342. “…the contracts Michigan offered at the time did not permit (RR) to hire his first choice for many coaching positions, including defensive coordinator. In hindsight, he would probably agree that insisting on guaranteed contracts for his coordinators and cutting $100,000 out of the new weight room budget to secure Casteel- plus a multiyear contract- would have been wise, as would making recruiting an acclaimed kicker a high priority.”

RR and the NCAA
He paid most of his life savings (cash savings) on his own attorneys in the NCAA investigation (over $300k). This was to ensure that the charge that he, RR, failed to promote an environment of compliance was vigorously fought, as it wasn’t (in his mind) the University’s top priority. (I actually agree with him here: in any case where the individual employee and the company’s interests are both at stake in any lawsuit, which an NCAA investigation is, sort of, I strongly advise all of you to have your own counsel, not just the one hired by your company. Just my $.02).

Other tidbits

Michigan ranks 5th or 6th in the Big Ten in spending on football (or at least that’s what RR thought, which surprised him). P. 397.

Barwis had a tear come to his eye after we beat Illinois last year in triple overtime. I didn’t even know that was possible.

 

 

Comments

CalifExile

October 15th, 2011 at 2:17 PM ^

How was RR's OL recruiting pathetic when Boren left? With O'Neill, Wermers and Khoury already recruited by the previous staff, RR added Omameh, Barnum and Mealer. I'd say his OL recruiting at the time was pretty good.

Also, let me tell you that RR didn't spend one second wishing he had Zach Boren on the team while he was in the middle of coaching a game. If you look at his record, you'll see that he has never spent a lot of scholarships on FBs.

03 Blue 07

October 12th, 2011 at 2:26 PM ^

El Jefe- I can see how RR would be pissed. How he really felt comes through: he was pissed about a whole shitload of things. He would break things in his office after losses, cursed like crazy, was super-stressed out, etc. Now, I can empathize, and he rarely did that stuff in front of his players, apparently. But the book reveals how RR really felt about a lot of stuff, and it can be read as him "complaining," etc. Also, how harsh he was on Tate after awhile probably will not look too good to some; let's just say Tate had maturity issues and failed to improve (which was largely, in the coaching staff's eyes, due to lack of dilligence and/or ego) and RR got fed up with it and called him out in front of the team once. It says in the book he did that (call Tate out in front of the team) because it was the last thing he thought he could try to get through to Tate to grow up. It didn't work.

Just generally, though, in private, RR had some not-very-nice things to say about all of the b.s. and drama and how he felt about what was going on within the Michigan community. I imagine, for political reasons, he's not happy that stuff got out. But then again, he did say those things (and, really, I don't blame him for the most part).

Think about it this way: if someone spent 3 years with any of us and wrote about everything they saw, wouldnt any of us think that some of what they then wrote wasn't accurately portraying things? I don't find that too surprising, really, that RR is pissed about the stuff in there, but then again, he should've known that what he said and how he felt would be in the book.

MGlobules

October 12th, 2011 at 8:32 AM ^

summaries, Blue.

Speaking from a personal perspective, I have to say that there have been times during the last year when I didn't think this blog was a very healthy or productive place. The dialogue about the RR debacle is made a lot more constructive by finally knowing (better) what took place; sometimes you have to look an issue in the eye before everybody can move on. Anyone asserting that the details from the book should stay buried might want to consider this. 

Also--at the risk of repeating something said in an earlier post--it is true that we don't have several people's side of these issues. But their silence really does say something in and of itself. And Bacon has made clear that they had their chance. 

Huntington Wolverine

October 12th, 2011 at 10:08 AM ^

Its actually a complete undermining of Fort Schembechler.  Bo's Fort was that we keep all our dirty laundry inside - sometimes knock-down drag out fights... but as far as outsiders are concerned, "This is Michigan" and we never fight.  If Lloyd was imitating Bo, he would have publicly supported RR from Day 1.

Huntington Wolverine

October 12th, 2011 at 2:55 PM ^

I hear ya... Lloyd was a great coach and statesmen for us on and off the field.  I just think he handled some aspects of this transition rather poorly.  It doesn't change my opinion of him because I recognize that no one gets it right 100% of the time.  So you're statement that "In some respects he seems like a principled man, with great integrity and conviction.  On the flip side, he sometimes seems like a guy who holds a grudge, is petty and vindictive" is probably accurate for many great men.  

BRCE

October 12th, 2011 at 5:06 PM ^

When I hear the term "great men," I think of people like Thomas Edison, Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King.

I don't think of cranky ex-high school teachers who met all the right people and lucked into one of the top college football jobs in the country before eventually thinking he was bigger than the program.

jmblue

October 12th, 2011 at 5:32 PM ^

Petulant children generally aren't silent. 

How Carr truly felt about the transition remains conjecture, because he hasn't spoken on it.  People should be careful about reducing him to a two-dimensional figure.  Obviously, RR would have liked Carr to be more vocal about supporting him, but that just may not be Carr's style.  He has said almost nothing publicly since Hoke got the job, as well.  I don't think that means he doesn't support him.  The concern I have about the book is not that anything in it isn't true, but that it's only part of the truth.  How do you distill three years into 400 pages?  You have to leave a ton out. 

03 Blue 07 - a question.  I know the book discusses the team meeting Carr called after RR was hired, but does it mention his post-Capital One Bowl speech?  In it, he urged his players to "finish what you started and get your degree."   I remember watching that speech and I certainly didn't think he was urging anyone to leave. 

BRCE

October 12th, 2011 at 8:09 PM ^

Your naivety is stunning. You have so much invested in the notion that Carr is above reproach and that his detractors are scumbags that you are ignoring the obvious and hiding behind "he's not talking so we'll never know." I wonder if you think the American justice system should work the same way. If being evasive and coy got us off the hook for everything we did, there would be a lot poorer behavior and a lot less talking in this world.

If you can tell me that it is a natural human reaction to read blatant lies about yourself that came out of thin air and neglect your public platform to refute them, you are in even worse denial than I originally thought.

 

03 Blue 07

October 12th, 2011 at 11:52 PM ^

Perhaps my sarcasm meter is off, but, uhh, no, I don't remember this. I definitely don't remember Lloyd Carr ever responding to a Brian Cook piece; I wonder to what extent LC even knows of Brian Cook's existence. Am I forgetting something? Or just need to have my sarcasm meter adjusted?

joeyb

October 13th, 2011 at 9:07 AM ^

It wasn't directly but it was when Morgan Trent misrepresented what LC said about RR. Everyone ran with it. Brian called out LC on it. Later, LC spoke on it saying the conversation was completely distorted and this is Brian's response to all of that.

http://mgoblog.com/content/hello-enormous-retraction

It seems that no one learns from the past. He has done more for the football program and the university than everyone on this board combined. He shouldn't have to make public statements to defend his name. Until there is some hard evidence that he did something to hurt RR's chances of success here, he should get the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't involved in that in any way. Considering that we found out that LC was the one who called RR about the job, I don't think that's going to hapen.

Section 1

October 13th, 2011 at 11:21 AM ^

I'm quite serious:  What sort of hard evidence would you want? 

I have become notorious for my unapologetic attacks on Rosenberg, Snyder and the Free Press.  I've been highly critical of the mostly stupid but also hurtful comments of people like Braylon Edwards, Mrgan Trent and Dhani Jones.

But as to Lloyd Carr, I have had only the mildest criticsm.  And it is mostly a question.  It is the same question that the general context of Bacon's book asks -- why would a Senior Associate Athletic Director, whose loosely-defined job description consists mostly of fundraising and public relations (for a salary of $375,000 and a nice office and a staff of administrative assistants), not speak up to defend the football program and the current head football coach from plainly unfair attacks?

I see no good answer as to why Carr would not answer questions.  I don't care who Carr used to be; or how he thinks Bo Schembechler used to do things.  It doesn't matter in the slightest how he used to run things when he was HFC.  I like and respect Coach Carr enough to want to hear his side of the story.  But I have to say that if he won't supply it, I don't have much sympathy for Carr.

joeyb

October 14th, 2011 at 2:14 PM ^

I wasn't comparing Brian's OP to the book; I was comparing it to BRCE's response. He was calling jmblue naive for not jumping to conclusions and I was just pointing out that we have gone through this before and, apparently, we have not learned anything from it.

TorontoBlue

October 12th, 2011 at 9:45 AM ^

i ordered the book after 03/07's second installment.  I'll read it between the last game (hopefully B1G Champ Game in Indy) and the Bowl Game.  After reading these summaries, I think the book will just help me appreciate our current coaching staff all the more.  I'm conditioned now for the gist of the content and I won't spend time grinding about the past - I will use Bacon's insights of the past as a counterpoint to the sensational things going on inside Michigan football this season.

GO BLUE!

Section 1

October 12th, 2011 at 10:18 AM ^

Having finished the book, would you agree with me, that it is impossible to overstate the importance of the nightmarish distraction and negativity caused by the Rosenberg-Snyder story of August 2009?

 

 

 

 

As you consider an answer;   I was looking for, but did not see in the book, something that I have been told by lots of Schembechler-era players:  That while they were disappointed by the 2008 and 2009 results on the field, more than anything they were disappointed by the NCAA investigation and sanctions.  There are seemingly a lot of guys from that era who didn't much follow the anti-Rosenberg counter-story.  Instead, they just took the bad news about NCAA sanctions on the chin and figured that there really was something wrong with this Rodriguez guy.

btw; Rodriguez is quoted as saying we lost 4-5 big recruits to the scandal; maybe more.  Probably more.

profitgoblue

October 12th, 2011 at 10:56 AM ^

I have to assume that everyone involved in the transaction had to expect a lawsuit or at least some legal posturing from WVU.  They purposely put the "buyout" provision in the contract for this exact reason - to discourage coaches from leaving for greener pastures.  If they don't try to enforce it when the situation arises, then WVU arguably weakens the provision in later contracts.  With all the lawyers involved in this transaction (I assume there were many), they had to expect the lawsuit to be filed or at least threatened.  Maybe the fault is that these people failed to spin it as having been expected and not let the WVU angar seep into the Michigan fanbase?

Section 1

October 12th, 2011 at 11:54 AM ^

I appreciate your comments.  In fact, the book might not supply a whole lot of new information on the Free Press per se (Bacon doesn't go through it point-by-point as I have, or as Dave Brandon says he did, "with a yellow highlighter" noting all of the falsehoods and inaccuracies.)  What struck me was Bacon's reporting on what an effect the Freep jihad had within the coaching stff and administration.  And that the timing of things (the original report, the Notice of Allegations) could not have come at worse times for the team.

You are right about one important thing; while the book doesn't pose any new allegations versus the Free Press (the old ones were more than enough), the book is an eye-opener with respect to the Rodriguez/WVU buyout non-scandal "scandal."  And that was indeed the first of many crises.  Rodriguez looks like a freaking saint through all of that.

For me, however, I just thought that as the book progresses, the Free Press' antagonism just hangs there, like a bad cloud, turning every program negative into an event that has to be dealt with by distracted coaches and staff.

03 Blue 07

October 12th, 2011 at 2:32 PM ^

Whoo...good question. I think I kind of agree with you. One thing that I hadn't considered was how much time the NCAA investigation took away from the players and coaches. Guys missing practice to speak with the NCAA and attorneys, the coaches having their time taken up by it, etc., all during the season. Especially, if I recall, Michigan State week 2009. And the negativity...man. The players were always answering questions about it, the Free Press was keeping up the Jihad, the coaches had to answer for it over and over again, everyone was scared shitless that they would be over-practicing, the drama of it all hanging over the team, etc. I think, unfortunately, it had a really big impact on not only the psyche of the team (and in some ways brought them together- "us against the world") but also, functionally, took away preparation time and concentration from the task(s) at hand. So yes, i think the Freep Jihad had a very big effect on the team. \

The scandal also hurt recruiting. Other coaches were telling recruits that we were going to lose schollies, get a bowl ban, etc., or at least that's what recruits related to our coaches. So it certainly didn't help in that regard, either.

I also didn't see much about the "we got in trouble" stuff either, from former players, etc., in the book.

lexus larry

October 12th, 2011 at 10:30 AM ^

Can anyone verify recruiting information passed from LC to RR?  It's been widely quoted that RR passed on most, if not all, the info for the recruiting efforts that took place previously, to the new regime.  How about the LC to RR timeframe?

Thanks!

Huntington Wolverine

October 12th, 2011 at 10:49 AM ^

I'm reading through Bo's Lasting Lessons right now and just read the chapter detailing the way he kicked the butts of the team through conditioning and not coddling star recruits.  Your portrayal of Turner's departure under RR's conditioning reminds me a lot of how Bo would have handled it - even the idea of removing the wings off the practice helmets for them until they earned them back.  If anything Bo might have cut those guys outright instead of giving them a chance to earn it back.  

jg2112

October 12th, 2011 at 11:00 AM ^

Bo didn't have an 85-scholarship limit. I also presume he didn't have the 2-year drain of scholarship defensive backs preceding his arrival the way Rich Rod did.

Trying to rationalize what happened last year is silly. If a highly regarded defensive back wants to transfer the first day of fall practice after having lazed off all summer, that's on the coaches (1) for not motivating the kid to go after a starting gig; (2) for not realizing how perilous his depth chart is; (3) for not recruiting the kid to stay just as hard as he recruited the kid to sign for the school.

Same thing with Emilien. Even if he never became a solid starter, he could have helped on special teams and saved Marvin Robinson's redshirt last year.

Section 1

October 12th, 2011 at 11:05 AM ^

That after the Freep/NCAA debacle, coaches and players became so cautious about CARA time and out of season contacts, that they were fearful of saying hello to each other if it wasn't on countable time.

Section 1

October 12th, 2011 at 11:32 AM ^

when you are barred from any contact with them?

Actually, I don't want to make too much of an argument out of this.  I understand your point.  I just want you to understand that as far as the content of the book goes, and not general pro-RR versus anti-RR fights, there is something of an answer for you.  Check out the book.

double blue

October 12th, 2011 at 12:24 PM ^

bs.  read the book.  turner was lazy in his own right. 

 

the book defintiely comes off more towards rodriquez than the university, but that should be expected since bacon had complete access to rodriguez, but not to brandon, mary sue, and lloyd.  when they don't give their side directly like rodriguez bacon is left with pulling together what he can from what he directly knows and other sources.  However, remember bacon is blue thorugh and through and i have spoken to him about the book so i don't believe he threw any wild punches.

Feat of Clay

October 12th, 2011 at 11:42 AM ^

I wish I knew what the story was with Miles.  It's clear that certain people did NOT want that guy here, but it is also seems that they were unwilling to be forthright about this (or their reasons) to the people who wanted Miles.  

I wonder, what's up?  Is it that their reasons are too awful to be shared?  Or too petty to be shared?

AlwaysBlue

October 12th, 2011 at 2:52 PM ^

The word I've always heard from the sorts people like to call the establisment, blue hairs, faction member of one sort or another, etc. is that it was BO himself who didn't want Miles in Ann Arbor.  After Bo died a former AD said, "now that the old man is gone maybe we can get Miles."

I really wish some here could spend time with some of these establishment types and hear the sorts of stories I've heard my entire life about the politics, backstabbing, power plays that have gone on for years and years and years.  Bo was king of the hill though, he won and that brings a kind of support that the ankle biters can never compete with.  Carr had a ton of detractors and suffered through the Goss years but when he won a national championship it cut them off at the knees for many years.  

I love Michigan football though and that's mostly because I love what they have accomplished on the field and the generations of kids who point to their experiences with Bo and Carr as the time that shaped their futures in profound ways.

 

Show me them TDs

October 12th, 2011 at 12:17 PM ^

JT (Justin Turner) lived in my hall his freshman year. He was a really nice guy but he was notorious for being late or missing work outs. He ate dinner with us a lot and I asked him about it once, he basically said 'he was already in good shape.' He had loads of talent but he clearly was never "All In." (Brandon Gibbons was his roommate and ohhhh boy thats a whole other story.)

03 Blue 07

October 12th, 2011 at 4:31 PM ^

Really? I'd be willing to bet that these threads increase people's likelihood of buying the book. And trust me, I'm not "systematically summarizing what's in the book." Have you read it? If you have, and think that I'm "systematically summarizing the book," then I respectfully disagree. There's a lot in there. I'm just pointing out things that jumped out at me. The ratio of what I'm touching on to what's in the book is far greater than, say, 10:1.

M Fanfare

October 12th, 2011 at 9:59 PM ^

03 Blue 07--you have done exactly what you set out to do. I've read all of your posts and I want the book now more than ever...and I pre-ordered it back when it was still called "Third and Long." I think it was in May or June. Thanks for your "teasers", and I can't wait until my copy arrives. I'm putting the over/under on the time it takes me to plow through it at 10 hours.

03 Blue 07

October 12th, 2011 at 11:58 PM ^

I'll be honest, what I "set out to do" in the beginning was, basically, talk to someone about the stuff I was reading that jumped out at me. I was so blown away in the beginning that I was looking for an outlet to talk to other M fans/give them a head's up, too, that "holy shit, you guys, you really need to read this." So yeah, I guess this was/is sort of my lame version of Oprah's Book Club. The first and only selection: Three and Out.

My 3 friends who got the book when I did were all way behind in their reading (which frustrated me) and didn't want to talk about it so it wouldn't be "ruined" for them. They purposely didn't click on these posts on MGo (all are readers), etc.

And yeah, if I haven't made it clear enough: buy the book. Support Bacon. God knows, he's going to need it. But don't buy it for that reason; buy it because it's a 430-page narrative of three years of behind-the-scenes stuff in the Michigan football program. Even if it was total dogshit written by almost anyone, I'd still have probably read it. But the fact that it's a great book and offers a ton of inside information makes it our own, Michigan version of "Ball Four" or something similar.

03 Blue 07

October 13th, 2011 at 12:03 AM ^

When I was a kid, my favorite book was "The Jordan Rules." I read it over and over again over a period of a few years in grade school/early junior high. I was/am a Bulls fan, and it offered something similar with respect to Jordan's Bulls as "Three and Out" does for the RR era. So I guess I've always liked these kinds of books, and maybe that's why I've been so...I don't know- engrossed in "Three and Out." Though I have to tell you: it is painful to read as it goes on. By the end, I was just...unhappy reading it. It's a shitty story, really, of failure, ultimately.

StephenRKass

October 12th, 2011 at 2:40 PM ^

I was with a bunch of Michigan alumni friends a couple weekends ago, talking about RR & Hoke and the team. There was one interesting anecdote:

One of the guy's sons is on the varsity of one of the local high school teams, and last year, they were able to visit a Michigan practice.  According to the father, the perspective of his son, who is just one local high school football player was that RR was a foul mouthed a-hole who was yelling at his team all the time.

I'm not making a judgment about swearing, or about whether an in your face guy (Kelly?) is better or worse than a calmer guy (Hoke?) I also know that coaches yelling on the practice field does not necessarily correspond to their off the field demeanor. But, just sayin, the report was that RR was a yeller.

This is going down the "I know a guy" road, so I wouldn't put any stock into what I just wrote. HOWEVER . . . I am sure there are mgobloggers from Ann Arbor Michigan football teams. If one or two of you can either confirm or refute this story, it would be helpful.

Mr. Yost

October 13th, 2011 at 8:46 PM ^

It was. Just didn't know if Brandon learned anything from it or if Rich Rod told him anything in particular other than he was set up to fail and these 3 years have been bullshit.

But thanks, I can't wait to get the book.

As for Rich Rod...I'm 51/49 on him. The 51 will always be that he had to go...he wasn't winning and his defenses were terrible and just he had too many gaffes. I also think the offense was vastly overrated. It really didn't do much vs. good teams.

On the flip side, I'll always feel bad for the guy because he never got a fair shake. It's embarrassing as a Michigan fan to know that he and his family will forever hold that in their hearts and they didn't deserve it. If everyone would've been supportive and "all in" from day one would it have changed much? Probably not. Maybe a couple more wins from the lack of distraction/paranoia/etc. But nothing job-saving worthy. But at the end of the day, as a man...I feel bad for him and his family.

I'm also always going to be a little frustrated because he'll forever think he failed because he didn't have support...when truthfully, he just wasn't good here at Michigan. I kind of pisses me off that he'll never feel like it was his fault the way I'm sure John Cooper feels about losing all those games to Michigan. Rich Rod will always deflect it to the drama and lack of support...that irks me a little.