A Theoretical 12 Team Big Ten Conference

Submitted by Seth9 on
I initially intended to post this on the Big Ten searching for a twelfth member thread, but it expanded to the point that I felt it should be a diary, rather than a simple reply.
A quick preliminary note: If the Big Ten becomes a twelve team conference, it should no longer be called the Big Ten. The Big North would be more appropriate, as would the better, yet redundant, Awesome Northern Conference of Awesomeness and Death (the ANCAD).

And now on to the important stuff:

I do not think that Notre Dame is likely to join the Big Ten. It is what the Big Ten wants the most, but because of Notre Dame's current financial situation, it is unlikely that they will be willing to make the move in the near future.


Instead, I think the most likely candidate is Pitt. They have geographic proximity, acceptable academics, competitive athletics, and a natural rival in Penn State. Now if Pitt were to join the Big Ten ANCAD, the geographic distribution of the teams would be thus:
From Big Ten + Pitt

Geographically, there are two ways to separate the schools into divisions. The first is an East-West division and the second is a North-South division. Let's look at a straight East-West division first:

East
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana

West
Purdue
Northwestern
Illinois
Wisconsin
Iowa
Minnesota

This system would be terrible. Like the Big 12, there is no competitive balance, with Michigan, OSU, and PSU in the same division. So instead, let's look at a North-South division:

North
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Michigan State
Michigan
Northwestern
Iowa

South
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Illinois
Ohio State
Indiana

This system is much better, with very good competitive balance in football and basketball, and rivalries are preserved. Allowing for one permanent inter-division game* per team, every major rivalry (and most minor rivalries) would be preserved. Michigan and Minnesota fans can rejoice at the Brown Jug becoming a yearly rivalry, while OSU and Illinois (well, OSU) can enjoy fighting over the Illibuck. In fact, out of the 14 rivalry games in the Big Ten, 12 would be played every year (with MSU-Indiana and Minnesota-Penn State being played only 4 years out of every 10, but honestly, who cares). Currently, only 10 are annual games. Additionally, Penn State benefits by getting Pitt every year.

The only real detriment here is that the Michigan-OSU game would have to be moved from the final week of the season, in order to avoid a potential (and often likely) rematch in the conference championship. A possible solution here would be to have Michigan and OSU open up conference play every year one week earlier than other teams. To elaborate, I would have all teams play three non-conference games to start off the year, then have Michigan play OSU while the rest of the teams either take a bye or play another non-conference game (obviously, there's room to maneuver here). Michigan would then close out with MSU (which would make MSU happy) and OSU would close out with Penn State (Pitt would still close with WVU in a non-conference game, so there's no real issue here). I think that opening conference play with OSU could easily keep the game in the national spotlight.

I know that this model isn't exactly ideal, but I think it's a pretty good one considering the realities of the situation. Any thoughts?

*Permanent Inter-Division Games
Michigan-Ohio State
Michigan State-Penn State
Northwestern-Illinois
Wisconsin-Pittsburgh
Iowa-Purdue
Minnesota-Indiana

Note: I matched the last three games on the competitiveness of the teams more than anything else.

Comments

Sethgoblue

December 13th, 2009 at 8:18 PM ^

. . . To all of your points, especially about non-revenue sports and travel for these "outlier" candidates. It just won't work for all sports outside football and basketball. Also dead on that the Big Ten doesn't need to make any drastic or geographically-challenged moves as it is (relatively) healthy.

brianshall

December 12th, 2009 at 4:30 PM ^

has to satisfy academics needs to have quality football and basketball want to expand the rivalries, the media footprint, the dollars hopefully get us in warmer climes without travelling across the country how about U of Maryland steal them from ACC. great basketball program. they are committed to football. the huge Washington DC market. not too far from PSU. But the real target, the big fish we need to go after is U of Tennessee. 100,000 for football. Reasonable travel. Knife into the SEC, gets us closer to southern state recruits. Expands viewing market.

CRex

December 12th, 2009 at 4:39 PM ^

No to both those schools. Look at Penn State's football roster. They have Maryland, Delware and that region already locked down for recruiting. Tennessee is a walking NCAA rules violation right now. Forget that, we already have "Storm The Dorm" Sparty, we don't need the Prius Gangstas as well.

Sethgoblue

December 13th, 2009 at 8:09 PM ^

Are you nuts? The Big Ten is a midwestern conference. Tennessee is in the South. Not to mention they would have no motivation whatsoever to leave the SEC. That is their culture and tradition. The same goes for Rutgers, for the most part. New Jersey is not a part of the "region" and Rutgers is not good enough in other sports to warrant a mention of joining the Big Ten. With that said, I think Pitt and Missouri, in that order, make the most sense. "To hell with Notre Dame."

JonnyRawls

December 12th, 2009 at 7:11 PM ^

I was once surprised that Univ. of Toronto has a football team. Would it be possible to get a Canadian school in NCAA athletics? Toronto is the land of Tshimanga Biakabutuka. Toronto is a Canadian academic powerhouse and would expand the footprint to Canada's most populous and internationally acclaimed city. Otherwise, I would say Rutgers to get a hold of NYC Metro Area.

CRex

December 12th, 2009 at 7:19 PM ^

I think Toronto has its pros and cons. Getting Toronto onboard would be a huge splash in the Canadian market and also a huge boost to the talk of a "Big 10" ice hockey conference. Huge boost to that. However I think from a football angle Toronto would be horribly overmatched coming into the Big 10 program, unless their football program is a lot better than I give it credit for. Toronto (the city) already has the International Bowl with a Big East tie in, so I think the logical path for Tornto would be to wait for the Big 10 to say grab Pitt or Rutgers and then come in to the Big East to replace them. Kind of try to do what USF did, get in to the Big East and build up the program. I do like Toronto, too bad we can't do a NFL like expansion where we give Toronto some players and maybe a few coachs to kind of gett them up and going on football.

formerlyanonymous

December 12th, 2009 at 7:42 PM ^

The last time this sort of discussion came up, I was all about promoting Toronto, which is an AAU school in a neighboring province. The one draw back is their stadium. Not only is it outside, but it's capacity might be 10,000. It's situated in downtown Toronto which may also cause problems. I also hate the Windsor crossing. It's the only border crossing I've been detained at for more than 5 minutes, out of the 5 I've visited. I was stuck in customs for over 3 hours. I know this is totally irrelevant as I am 1) no where near the border anymore to make trips there and 2) I could just take the crossing at Port Huron just as easily. I just really hate the Windsor crossing.

zlionsfan

December 12th, 2009 at 9:02 PM ^

In fact, it might be the second-biggest problem. (The biggest one is probably Canadian participation in an American association. Never mind that EA simply wouldn't be able to handle showing Canada as separate provinces for recruiting purposes ...) Any game involving Toronto would involve border crossings, not just for the university involved but for fans as well. Fair or not, it would be something that would likely come up in discussion, and I don't know what Toronto could say other than "well, just stop being dicks and run the border like you used to."

AC1997

December 12th, 2009 at 10:20 PM ^

My third choice after ND and Pitt would be Iowa St. They don't bring a media market or recruiting, but the geography, academics, and rivalry work well. Regardless, OSU and UM have to stay together, which means PSU goes to the other division to bolster it. Not sure what you call the divisions at that point.

BlueAlaska

December 12th, 2009 at 11:01 PM ^

Add the 12th team, then play the schedule with 8 conference games, some rotated and some every-year games, like now. Then at the end of the season, play #1 vs #2 at a previously determined neutral site. Probably Ford Field or Indianapolis.

Seth9

December 13th, 2009 at 11:42 AM ^

If nothing else, it reduces controversy over tiebreakers. Ties are more likely in groups of 12 teams instead of groups of 6. Furthermore, it increases the likelihood of getting a second BCS bid (imagine if the SEC had no divisions and Alabama played Florida twice). Finally, it reduces the chance that the conference championship will be a rematch, as there is only a 50% chance that the champions play each other in a season (well, actually there's less, when you consider the implications that such a game would have on the standings), as opposed to a 72.7% chance (again it's actually less, but I still don't want to calculate the probabilities).

Ernis

December 14th, 2009 at 2:22 AM ^

"The Big North North" has a nice ring to it. The sort of name kids from down south can get into It'll definitely give us an edge in recruiting