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By U of M in TX — April 21st, 2010 at 12:40 PM — 9 comments
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First off, I want to apologize if this has been mentioned in previous posts, comments, etc.  But I feel like this is a completely crazy, but potentially fun way to look at the new Big 16.

The conference would be split into 2, 8 team divisions (however you want to divide them is irrelevant to this discussion).  Each division would play round robin style, 7 games with no inter-divisional play at this point. After 7 games, the standings from each division would look something like this:<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

 

Woody Division

Bo Division

Team

Record

Team

Record

Ohio State

6-1

Iowa

6-1

Michigan

5-2

Penn State

6-1

Wisconsin

5-2

Notre Dame

5-2

Michigan State

4-3

Nebraska

4-3

Missouri

3-4

Pittsburgh

4-3

Northwestern

2-5

Minnesota

2-5

Rutgers

2-5

Illinois

1-6

Purdue

1-6

Indiana

0-7

 

After the 7 game round robin schedule, the conference tournament would start.  The “Champions Bracket” would have the top 4 teams of each division and the “Bowl Bracket” would have the remaining 8 teams.  Each team in this scenario would have played either 3 or 4 home games.  Things get a little dicey at this point with the matchups. 

 

Assume that Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Penn State, Nebraska, Illinois and Indiana played 4 home games in the round robin schedule and the rest played 3. In each tournament, the highest seed from one division would play the lowest seed from the other division with differing schedules. The matchups in the tournament would be as follows:

 

(1) Ohio State at (3) Notre Dame

(4) Michigan State at (1) Iowa

(2) Michigan at Nebraska (4) – Tiebreaker scheme to determine home field for this game

(2) Penn State at Wisconsin (3)

 

(8) Indiana at (5) Missouri

(6) Northwestern at (5) Pittsburgh

(7) Illinois at (7) Rutgers

(8) Purdue at (6) Minnesota – Tiebreaker scheme to determine home field for this game

 

Assuming all the top seeds win, the following teams would be left in their respective tournaments:

 

Champions Bracket Winners

Seed

Team

Home Games

Division

1

Ohio State

4

Woody

1

Iowa

4

Bo

2

Michigan

4

Woody

2

Penn State

4

Bo

 

Bowl Bracket Winners

Seed

Team

Home Games

Division

5

Missouri

4

Woody

5

Pittsburgh

4

Bo

6

Minnesota

4

Bo

7

Rutgers

4

Woody

 

Losers

Seed

Team

Home Games

Division

3

Notre Dame

4

Bo

3

Wisconsin

4

Woody

4

Michigan State

4

Woody

4

Nebraska

5

Bo

6

Northwestern

4

Woody

7

Illinois

4

Bo

8

Indiana

4

Bo

8

Purdue

3

Woody

 

All teams at this point will have played 8 conference games, with the majority of teams having 4 home games.

 

For the second round of the tournaments, the highest seed from one division will play the lowest seed from the other division, with the higher seed getting home field, unless there is a matchup available to even the number of home games.  The matchups would be as follows:

 

Champions Bracket

(2) Penn State at (1) Ohio State

(2) Michigan at (1) Iowa

 

Bowl Bracket

(6) Minnesota at (5) Missouri

(7) Rutgers at (5) Pittsburgh

 

Winners of each of these games would play another game at a neutral field to determine the conference champion for the Champions Bracket and whatever bowl tie-in for the winner of the Bowl Bracket.  The losers of these games regular seasons would be over and they would be eligible for bowl selection.

 

The rest of the teams that lost in the first round would be matched up similarly to the winners with the highest seed from one division will play the lowest seed from the other division, with the higher seed getting home field, unless there is a matchup available to even the number of home games. The matchups would be as follows:

 

(8) Indiana at (3) Notre Dame

(7) Illinois at (3) Wisconsin

(6) Northwestern at (4) Michigan State

(5) Nebraska at (8) Purdue

 

The regular season would be over at this point with each team playing at 9 conference games and 3 out of conference games (4 teams would play 10 conference games).

 

Some of the issues with this format are:

· Entire schedule unknown from the beginning of each season

· Potential conference champion being crowned with 3 (maybe more?) losses

· Potential for the winner of the Bowl Bracket to have less than 6 wins

· Potential for repeat matchups late in the season

· Potential for unbalanced home and away schedules

 

Comment below and tell me what you think!

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April 21st, 2010 at 12:55 PM | Why would Michigan be in the (Score:1)
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Why would Michigan be in the Woody Division and not the Bo division? That seems odd.

Those who stay will be champions!

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April 21st, 2010 at 1:07 PM | Concept (Score:1)
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I was just providing a concept. The teams in the divisions and the division names make no difference.

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April 21st, 2010 at 1:06 PM | I dont like not being (Score:1)
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in the Bo Division.

I also don't understand why you have OSU playing a 3 seed while Iowa plays a 4th seed.

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April 21st, 2010 at 1:08 PM | Keeping the Schedules Balanced (Score:1)
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This is to keep the schedules balanced so the #1 seed doesn't have 7 home conference games.

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April 21st, 2010 at 8:43 PM | The #1 team deserves 7 home conference games (Score:1)
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I wouldn't care if a successful team could get huge numbers of home conference games. If you rotate 4 at home, then 3 at home every other year, then getting home field advantage is fair and who cares if a team gets 7 home conference games if they deserve it?

The only problem with the disparity that I can see is that Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, etc. would be likely to frequently have more home games and that could have a big impact on the revenues of each school; I think you'd have to split the tournament revenue evenly among the conference schools (maybe giving an extra share to the home team or something like that).

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April 21st, 2010 at 1:56 PM | I got pretty confused (Score:1)
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I didn't understand the part about "matchups in the tournament" section when you stated that only the top two in each division would play. Then you had that listed.

In any case, I think having two 8 team divisions and a championship of 4 teams is the simplest approach since to get to 16 total teams we need 5 more, and they can all be in the new conference with 3 of the teams that are the least frequent on Michigan's present conference schedule.

So with that, I wouldn't put Iowa and PSU into the other division, because assuming we pull two big teams in with 3 little, there should be plenty of balance. So goodbye Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, and if ND ends up as one of the big fish, then goodbye Illinois.

Then you name the divisions West and East, so Michigan is in the West, and the best of the Big East is in the East. Screw Geography, names are names, afterall Michigan hasn't been in the West of the US since the civil war ended, but it doesn't mean we need to change our song.

Then I agree with the "bowl championship" to use up the remaining conference game slots. Although, I think that should only be one scheduled game slot. The SEC right now plays an extra game beyond conference play, and that could be the same here for two teams. Then the 4 non-conference games are maintained, which are big money makers on ticket sales for home games and also 4 non-conf. allow at least one to be a "home for Home" trade with a non-conf power. (again maybe ND is in Maybe not)

Then the "garbage time" of the bowl tournament is just one game slot, and could also be used like Monday Night Football scheduling to pair up the "hot non-contenders" for the TV value.

Hmmm, probably need to make a chart this is too many words.

"That's all there is...there isn't anymore"

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April 21st, 2010 at 2:25 PM | If I Follow.... (Score:1)
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Each team would have 4 OOC games and 7 conference games, which makes 11 total games played. The top 2 from each division would be in a 4 game playoff to determine the conference champion.

How would the other 12 teams be paired? and with only 1 inter-division game, you run into the same issue with only playing the same team from the other division 1 or 2 times a decade.

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April 21st, 2010 at 4:16 PM | Expansion (Score:1)
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All this expansion talk the past couple days is making my brain hurt.

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April 21st, 2010 at 6:08 PM | Only 1 issue. (Score:1)
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My main issue is that you are potentially forcing a 7-0(6-1, whatever) conference team to play AT a 4-3 conference team in the first round of playoffs. That's potentially screwing them over.

On the other hand, you may be screwing over a top seed the other way. Say you're 6-1 PSU and the #2 seed. Every other team in your Division played 4 home games, and you played 3. Does this mean #1 OSU is coming to town instead of Wisconsin or Michigan State?

If you can work some sort of fix (possibly involving neutral site 1st rounds for championship brackets?) to at least give some advantage back to a top seed this looks pretty good.

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