Somewhat Historic Look At Turnovers And Their Effect On Winning: Big Ten Edition

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This time around, I decided to play around with some of the figures on turnover margins in the Big Ten, and to keep it a little manageable, I only went back to 2004 with each team.  For this analysis, I actually did not put Maryland and Rutgers in here.

You can spot a few general trends, I have found, among the many anomalies. What sort of anomalies? Well, for example, in the period I looked at here, the team with the best overall numbers for turnover margin belong to a 2006 Minnesota team that went 6-7 on the year, but managed an per game ratio of 1.385 and was +18 for turnovers that year.

I went into this thinking about turnovers as more of an “in the moment” sort of stat, but as I said, you can see a few things arise when you look at a team’s relative success over time.  Here are the nine-year averages:

 

Name

Games

Turnovers Gained

Turnovers Lost

Avg. Margin

Overall Margin

Wins

Losses

Win Pct

Ohio St.

114

212

163

0.430

49

92

22

0.807

Wisconsin

118

204

163

0.347

41

87

31

0.737

Penn St.

113

213

191

0.195

22

79

34

0.699

Nebraska

117

188

239

-0.436

-51

75

42

0.641

Michigan

113

207

214

-0.062

-7

70

43

0.619

Iowa

113

217

172

0.398

45

68

45

0.602

Michigan St.

114

180

180

0.000

0

65

49

0.570

Northwestern

113

209

195

0.124

14

63

50

0.558

Purdue

112

205

220

-0.134

-15

54

58

0.482

Minnesota

112

188

176

0.107

12

46

66

0.411

Illinois

109

169

223

-0.495

-54

40

69

0.367

Indiana

107

182

192

-0.093

-10

36

71

0.336

 

Generally speaking, teams that have had sustained success with recovering more turnovers than they lose do better. You knew that already, but here it is in chart form. I sorted this table by win percentage over that period. You see where Michigan sits here – 5thoverall in win percentage but with a slightly negative turnover margin in that space. How does that happen, you wonder?

 

YEAR

Name

Games

Gained

Lost

Avg. Margin

Overall Margin

Wins

Losses

2004

Michigan

12

27

21

0.500

6

9

3

2005

Michigan

12

23

18

0.417

5

7

5

2006

Michigan

13

26

12

1.077

14

11

2

2007

Michigan

13

29

27

0.154

2

9

4

2008

Michigan

12

20

30

-0.833

-10

3

9

2009

Michigan

12

16

28

-1.000

-12

5

7

2010

Michigan

13

19

29

-0.769

-10

7

6

2011

Michigan

13

29

22

0.538

7

11

2

2012

Michigan

13

18

27

-0.692

-9

8

5

AVG.

 

113

207

214

-0.062

-7

70

43

 

Compare that with Ohio State in the same timeframe:

 

YEAR

Name

Games

Gained

Lost

Avg. Margin

Overall Margin

Wins

Losses

2004

Ohio St.

12

19

23

-0.333

-4

8

4

2005

Ohio St.

12

12

21

-0.750

-9

10

2

2006

Ohio St.

13

27

18

0.692

9

12

1

2007

Ohio St.

13

19

22

-0.231

-3

11

2

2008

Ohio St.

13

29

13

1.231

16

10

3

2009

Ohio St.

13

35

18

1.308

17

11

2

2010

Ohio St.

13

30

15

1.154

15

12

1

2011

Ohio St.

13

20

15

0.385

5

6

7

2012

Ohio St.

12

21

18

0.250

3

12

0

AVG.

 

114

212

163

0.430

49

92

22

 

There is some correlation between sustained success with turnovers and general team success, although when calculated the coefficient comes out to only 0.522.

There is enough here to guess at what sort of season you can expect to have based simply on the choice of having a positive or negative margin, if there were such a choice to be made in advance. Here is how the individual season record would break down then:

 

MARGIN

.500 OR BETTER

WORSE THAN .500

POSITIVE OR ZERO

50

6

NEGATIVE

25

25

 

I found this rather interesting actually. It definitely confirms the dynamic nature of football and how you can overcome problems with turnovers, but the split is stark all the same. There are successful teams that had bad years in this regard – 2005 Ohio State went 10-2 with a -0.750 ratio and -9 for an overall margin, for example. Again, this is one of those many anomalies that turned up as I went through the data.

So you have an idea of what the spreads actually were when it came to teams and margins, I offer this table which shows various overall margin categories and the average wins and losses associated with them, but also the maximum and minimum number of wins in the grouping.

 

MARGIN

AVG. WINS

AVG. LOSSES

MAX. WINS

MIN. WINS

More than +10

9.3

3.6

12

4

Between +10 and +6

8.7

3.9

12

3

Between +5 and 0

7.9

4.8

12

3

Between -1 and -5

6.5

6.0

11

1

Between -6 and -10

5.4

6.8

10

3

Worse than -10

4.7

7.5

10

1

 

There is something going on here – performance does gradually decline as your margins get worse, but not necessarily. What it said to me is that you can be a very good team when it comes to recovering turnovers and still suck, or you can be awful in this metric and still win often, which is something that you also knew. The best performers who were also the winningest and the worst who were also the worst in general are here:

 

YEAR

Name

Games

Turnovers Gained

Turnovers Lost

Avg. Margin

Margin

Wins

Losses

Win Pct.

2009

Ohio St.

13

35

18

1.308

17

11

2

0.846

2010

Ohio St.

13

30

15

1.154

15

12

1

0.923

2011

Wisconsin

14

26

10

1.143

16

11

3

0.786

2006

Michigan

13

26

12

1.077

14

11

2

0.846

2010

Wisconsin

13

23

9

1.077

14

11

2

0.846

2008

Michigan

12

20

30

-0.833

-10

3

9

0.250

2005

Illinois

11

8

19

-1.000

-11

2

9

0.182

2012

Illinois

12

18

30

-1.000

-12

2

10

0.167

2006

Illinois

12

20

35

-1.250

-15

2

10

0.167

2007

Minnesota

12

14

29

-1.250

-15

1

11

0.083

 

To see overall totals versus averages for per game and total margin in completely arbitrary groupings, there is this table:

 

WIN TOTAL

Avg. Per Game Margin

Avg. Total Margin

10 Or More

0.504

6.560

8 Or 9

0.066

0.826

6 Or 7

0.038

0.464

4 Or 5

-0.372

-4.368

3 Or Less

-0.536

-6.333

 

TL;DR CONCLUSION:

This is another diary where I think the idea is to really draw your own conclusion. I could tell you what I believe that this confirms, which is that winning and turnover margin do have some manner of relationship, but it obviously doesn’t always relate to a team’s success overall, at least in a given season or even game really. You can goof repeatedly and still win if you have other things going for you or if the turnovers amount to nothing in the way of scoring for the other team. I think that might be the key to the many instances where teams were overall bad in this department but still managed, say, a 9-3 or 10-2 record – they found ways to not get hurt by their mistakes, or they were playing teams less than capable of capitalizing on them. Opportunities indeed.

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Comments

ClearEyesFullHart

July 17th, 2013 at 6:24 PM ^

Teams that are down big(or facing a superior opponent) will choose more high risk high reward strategies and turn the ball over more.  Teams that turn the ball over more will find themselves down big.  Teams that are up big(or significantly better than their competition) will go ultra conservative and tend to hold onto the ball.  And teams that hold onto the ball will find themselves with big leads.

There are just so many factors at play--quality of opponent, strategy, personnel, etc. that can both lead to and result from turnovers...That I do not know how useful an analysis of "winning and turnovers" is going to be...other than to confirm common sense.

funkywolve

July 18th, 2013 at 1:37 AM ^

I think you hit on one of the keys to being successful despite maybe not having a good turnover margin - not letting your opponent convert the turnovers into points.  You mentioned OSU had some years where their turnover margin wasn't very good, but still had successful seasons.  One thing you could count on with OSU under Tressel was they were going to have a pretty good to very good defense.  A stout defense is going to help limit the damage caused by the offenses turnovers.  Another factor too is who are you turning the ball over against?  If you're a pretty good team and were playing Indiana over the last 5-10 years, you could probably lose the turnover battle and still win the game.  If you're a pretty good team playing OSU over the last 5-10 years, you probably weren't winning the game if you lost the turnover battle.

Eye of the Tiger

July 18th, 2013 at 12:27 PM ^

Nicely done. 

In terms of conclusions, well, yes turnovers definitely do have an effect on record (presumably they deprive opponents of points and give opportunities to score points). But statistically speaking, it's hard to extract the effect out more than you've already done. That's because, while turnovers (e.g. fumbles recovered) are pretty random, some turnovers (e.g. INTs) are a function of issues on offense or skill on defense--to a point, at least. There's still a lot of variance and randomness there, of course. 

 

707oxford

July 18th, 2013 at 7:11 PM ^

I stopped reading (and reached for the bottle) after your first chart.  Michigan's win percentage over nearly a decade has been 61.9%?  

Jeebus.

We're basically Iowa.