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Scrimmage Observations 4/10

By michWolves2580 — April 10th, 2010 at 7:25 PM — 158 comments
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[Ed: couple of first-hand observations posted on the message board that jive with those of a couple sources of mine who were also there. Those will be coming early next week.]

I was at today's scrimmage and noticed a couple of things:

-the final score was 59-53 offense... it was 53-42 when they went to a segment called last play from the 3 yard line with the defense up by 4. defense stuffed the offense twice then Denard ran in for the win.

-everyone played. walk on slot receiver #10 (not gallon) i think his name is Jordan Barpal had a terrific catch in the back of the endzone for a touchdown from Jack Lennedy.

-John McColgan looked good at FB.. even had a td reception.

-Stephen Hopkins is the real deal. He was running with the 1s has the "big back" and had some really tough runs. I love the way he finishes his runs and really punishes defenders.

-the QB competition is WIDE OPEN. All 3 played with all the lineman and WRs. ( it seemed like they were rotating the QBs with no regard as to which offensive teams were going in.)

-Taylor Lewan looked very good. he played LT with the first team and the second

-the defense looked phenomenal. There tackling was like night and day from last season. There was only one missed tackle that I saw, and it was on a great move by Mike Cox who looped back around and ended up being tackled for a loss by Thomas Gordon.

I was very impressed by today. The team seems to really be coming along.

GO BLUE

Another Report Pulled From Lower In the Thread

I was there too and concur with the OP and was pleasantly surprised.

I would add:

Fitzy had a nice run. He was solid. Stephen looked the best on this particular day though.

Thomas Gordon seems to be the best fit for the Stevie Brown Spur/Bandit position for now. I would be curious to see if he will beat out Marvin, or even Cam, or JT Turner.I think they will have to move JT Turner to one of the safety spots when the other frosh get in. That young lad had himself a growth spurt. He is a big kid. It will be interesting to see what they do with him once they get depth this summer at CB

The LB's or secondary didn't suck. I was pleasantly surprised. Troy is pretty good at that CB spot. The defense as a whole was better against the run than I ever would have thought based on last year.

Devin was owning the 2 and 3rd team D. He is the real deal, I don't care what string he was playing against. He seems to have the best shot of us having a vertical game whenever he takes the reins. Denard has a cannon, but doesn't have the touch that Devin has. Devin had a long gainer to Gallon. When Devin played with the 1's he threw a TD to Roundtree.

Denard seemed to have the most success moving the ball against the first team D. He was carving up the D when running the zone read, has a cannon, lacks a little touch on the short and intermediate stuff. If they want to stay true to the West Virginia style O, then Denard has to be the guy this year. He reads it pretty well, and has the explosiveness necessary to get around the corner obviously.

Tate was pretty decent. Didn't get as much time with the 1's as Denard. Tate is Tate. Pretty accurate on the short and intermediate stuff, not as explosive as the others when running the zone read. He did okay though. He can win football games, they just have to tailor the play calling to his strengths.

I would guess that we see more of a rotation this year as opposed to last year when Tate was getting the majority of the snaps. Devin is the real deal, I would hate to be the coaches if they wanted to keep a redshirt on that kid. I wouldn't be able to do it.

Either way. Denard has to be on the field somewhere. You can tell he is putting it together. He is way too explosive to spend as much time on the sidelines as he did last year.

The Oline seems to be a lot better too. Taylor Lewan was getting a lot of time at LT and did really well. It wouldn't surprise me if he just didn't let that spot go.

Cam is a ball hawk. He is very much a see ball, hit ball kind of player, and seems to be just fine at that deep safety if he has to stay there. They tested him a little bit.

It wouldn't surprise me though that when the fall frosh comes in to see them work JT Turner in back there, and move Cam up to a Spur/Bandit position to get the best 11 out there. You can see the talent in JT, the sky is not falling with him, but he has outgrown corner and in my opinion is only there this spring because they don't have depth to move him. JT is big enough now to work into a spur/bandit type roll too.He looks to be in the 210-215ish range.

One fumble, but no turnovers up until the point I left. I had to jet a little early.

All in all I came out actually more impressed with the defense than the offense. Logic tells me that is a good thing, but with this team....who knows?

In Which Your Editor Provides A Short Addendum

I also heard that Hopkins was killing people today in a fashion similar to a squatter Minor, although I'm guessing with less speed since a 230-pound running back who's as fast as Minor is not a generic three star recruit. The quarterback situation seems utterly confused; depending on who you talk to any of the three is the likely starter against UConn. Running back is also a jumble.

One thing that is becoming more and more certain: Taylor Lewan is locking down the left tackle spot, which is great news.

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April 10th, 2010 at 12:51 PM
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Nice to hear.

Nice to hear.

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April 10th, 2010 at 2:35 PM
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thank you 2580

i didn't see too many thank you's down there; as such, Thank you 2580 for the Manna. and thank you to all for these updates. even if sometimes they have judgement or weak predictions (which this did not) they are so enjoyable to read during the offseason. Thank you. Go Blue!!!!!!!!
Can't wait to see squished buckeyes ground into that stupid-ass horse(shit) stadium!!!!!!

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April 10th, 2010 at 7:09 PM
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http://xkcd.com/37/

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April 10th, 2010 at 12:52 PM
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Impressive

So anything further on the Running backs? Toussaint?

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April 10th, 2010 at 12:57 PM
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Vince Young

obviously cut everyone's arms off.

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April 10th, 2010 at 8:06 PM
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seriously?

kick a man while hes down and having serious problems just cuz you are bitter of a defeat in a college football GAME? idc how much im gonna get negged for this: fuck you.

i understand that this is sarcasm but there are things u joke about and there are things u dont joke about. the mental health of a 26 year old athlete is not something u joke about.

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April 10th, 2010 at 11:42 PM
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If there was any remote

If there was any remote chance that VY actually read a UM blog, I would agree. However, I don't see any harm in this. Maybe I am a terrible person

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April 11th, 2010 at 12:12 AM
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ok so

it is ok to make fun of a retard because he or she doesnt hear u? that was an awful argument, no offense.

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April 11th, 2010 at 12:18 AM
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I think just using the word

I think just using the word "retard" is making fun of people. Isn't it?

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April 11th, 2010 at 12:22 AM
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thank you for pointing this out so i can answer the same way

that he did and prove my point that its a bad argument.

i would feel bad about it if the *mentally disabled* actually read this

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April 12th, 2010 at 11:29 PM
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Holy crap, the season needs to start SOON.

The kids have been couped up all winter and are getting punchy.

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April 10th, 2010 at 1:40 PM
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He did that to everyone

He did that to everyone though.

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April 10th, 2010 at 12:55 PM
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Depth?

Ya whatever, the sky continues to fall unabated by your optimism 2580.

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April 10th, 2010 at 1:35 PM
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Bah

Its was a joke that lost its tone in text. I may also be still be over the legal limit.

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April 10th, 2010 at 12:58 PM
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This is very encouraging.

This is very encouraging. Then when we get some of the blue chips from this recruiting class contributing and we will be set. I really think this team is going to surprise some people.

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April 10th, 2010 at 12:59 PM
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did you get a sense of what

did you get a sense of what quarterback is leading so far?

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April 10th, 2010 at 1:04 PM
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Its very tough to say

If you watch them practice with football knowledge, you see tate make every right read, has good fundementals, is a good leader and your impressed.. then you see denard drop scramble around 40 yards for a touch down and you say how can we not play this kid?

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April 10th, 2010 at 1:13 PM
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Was the scrimmage just one Qb

Was the scrimmage just one Qb or the other or did they bring Tate in for a few plays then switch him out to DRob? cause i feel we run a perfect system to play 2 or 3 QB's and still be a good football team.

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April 10th, 2010 at 1:35 PM
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Was this scrimmage open

to the public? how did you get in?

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April 10th, 2010 at 2:38 PM
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The football coaches' clinic

The football coaches' clinic was this Thursday, Friday, and today. The coaches in attendance get to watch the scrimmage.

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April 10th, 2010 at 12:59 PM
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Tackling you say? I'm a lot

Tackling you say?

I'm a lot more concerned about the defense, so hearing that the tackling was better is great news.

Any updates on the secondary?

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April 10th, 2010 at 1:21 PM
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Even

If the defense is even with the offense, which we know to be competitive, then things look good for a less torturing season. If we can stop us, we can probably stop Purdue.

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April 10th, 2010 at 1:07 PM
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Safety

Anybody get first team reps at deep safety besides Cam Gordon? How did Gordon look out there against deep balls?

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April 10th, 2010 at 2:41 PM
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that's what she said

that's what she said

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April 10th, 2010 at 10:26 PM
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Awesome Pic...

it is my wall paper at work.

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April 10th, 2010 at 1:22 PM
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Enough

Thanks for the info, but the Qb competition is this.... Tate will start and Denard will play a certain percentage at QB as well.

If you believe there is really a competition then at least wait until fall to go nuts about how many reps they are taking in practice. The Spring means very little to the actual final depth chart.

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April 10th, 2010 at 1:27 PM
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asking people on this board...

... to not obsess about starting qb's during spring practice, is like asking a heroin addict to give up the needle.

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April 10th, 2010 at 2:27 PM
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yep

this is just a litle Methadone to get us by.

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April 10th, 2010 at 1:30 PM
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Interesting.. Did Rodriguez

Interesting.. Did Rodriguez call and ask you for advice on what to do? You seem like the expert on what will happen this fall

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April 10th, 2010 at 1:33 PM
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We should just be thankful

We should just be thankful that we have someone from the coaching staff posting for us.

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April 10th, 2010 at 2:22 PM
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Logic

What qb skill do you think Devin is better than Tate or Denard at??

Experience?
Accuarcy?
Speed?
Running ability?
Reading defenses?

The answer would be zero.

To think D. Gardner will start at qb this year barring injuries is ridiculous.

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April 10th, 2010 at 2:35 PM
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One quote from the

One quote from scout.

"Anybody who says they know who the QB will be is kidding themselves...this straight from a coach today!!!"

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April 10th, 2010 at 3:47 PM
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Wait - saying "At this point

Wait - saying "At this point that is probably just coachspeak" means that the coaches have decided who will start. If so, that conflicts with your later argument that Devin could gain the start over the summer.

Also, I would argue that while it is "not outside of the realm of possibility" that Devin will start, it is at the edge of possibility. Little is outside the realm of possibility, which means that such a discussion tells us very little. I think it is a safe bet that Devin will not start. I am very willing to eat those words in September, but I think my doing so is only slightly inside the realm of possibility.

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April 10th, 2010 at 3:53 PM
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I disagree. The coaches may

I disagree. The coaches may have an idea in their mind about who the starter would be TODAY, but they may also want to spur a little competition and not let anyone get too comfortable, seeing as the SEASON does not start today...

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April 10th, 2010 at 4:57 PM
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You make a false distinction.

You make a false distinction. The comment was in terms of who would start at the beginning of the season, not who leads today: "Anybody who says they know who the QB will be is kidding themselves...this straight from a coach today!"

Again, it says "who the coach WILL BE". That means who will start at the SEASON. My point was simply that this is not coachspeak. The coaches are honest and shooting straight in that the competition is wide open for the starting job in Sept, even if they think there is a leader now. Who leads now was not the issue.

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April 10th, 2010 at 5:02 PM
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I think you missed the point.

I think you missed the point.

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April 10th, 2010 at 5:39 PM
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Agree on both points.

Agree on both points.

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April 10th, 2010 at 5:41 PM
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I really wanted to join this argument

with a "you people need some outdoors-time," but. . .I just couldn't. that avatar. it's strangely calming.

BBB, you have one hell of a nice rack. you've earned my vote, which should bring you back to neutral for this post.

. . .wait, that's you in the pic, right?

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April 10th, 2010 at 8:52 PM
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BBB if that in fact is NOT you......

then who the hell is it??? Please!!!

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April 11th, 2010 at 2:05 AM
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that would be

Sofia Vergara.

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April 11th, 2010 at 10:22 AM
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1065 got it. See more here:

1065 got it. See more here: http://tinyurl.com/ybhck8z

Oh - also currently acting in Modern Family on ABC.

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April 11th, 2010 at 4:27 PM
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"acting"?? I've seen her on

"acting"??

I've seen her on tmz before and she's a MILF all the time.

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April 10th, 2010 at 3:06 PM
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and where did myself or

and where did myself or anyone else say that Devin is going to be the starter? You said Tate will start with Drob getting a % of the snaps. What if Drob starts and DG and Tate get a % of the snaps. Because it's starting to look that way. Plus, our system is better suited for someone like Drob.

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April 10th, 2010 at 7:08 PM
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mgowin
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If you think that his ceiling

"What qb skill do you think Devin is better than Tate or Denard at??

Experience?
Accuarcy?
Speed?
Running ability?
Reading defenses?

The answer would be zero.

To think D. Gardner will start at qb this year barring injuries is ridiculous."

If you think that his ceiling is not higher than either Tate or D. Rob, your kidding yourself. How else will he get the experience to be a total ninja-bad ass if he doesn't play?

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April 10th, 2010 at 7:29 PM
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"Ceiling" is irrelevant

when it comes to a true freshman QB vs. 2 true sophomores with a year in the system who both have potential themselves. RR will not play a true frosh because of "ceiling," unless the other two prove themselves unworthy of regular playing time.

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April 10th, 2010 at 9:53 PM
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colin
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this is an excellent point

he'd have to be an incredible player to be honestly worth playing over Tate or Denard in this situation. like, once-in-a-decade talent.

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April 11th, 2010 at 1:28 PM
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I would say

Gardner is faster & has probably has better running ability than Tate, and it sounds like he has better downfield accuracy as well.

for example, would Tate have scored on that 60 yard run Gardner scored on? probably not.

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April 11th, 2010 at 7:10 PM
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colin
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i doubt he's more accurate

though i don't doubt he's faster. but let's say he's got a chance to be as accurate as Forcier, but bigger and faster. Tate was an average D1 QB as a freshman. that almost has to be Devin's floor. let's say it's his floor outside of attrition outcomes (injury/off-field stuff). in the very least, it's hard to see the QB situation getting somehow worse over the next couple years. thank God for that.

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April 10th, 2010 at 11:23 PM
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Consider the possibilities everyone's potential!

The one thing I really enjoy about college football is that these kids will always surprise you. Their potential is unknown. I've learned to never write-off anyone. Remember Brian Griese, Braylon Edwards, David Baas or Mike Hart? All of these players surpassed everyone's expectations.

Fans must stop wanting things their way, and then complaining about it when they don't work out as predicted.

My motto now is "Surprise Me, Baby!" It is easier that way, and you don't get disappointed. Devin's time will come soon enough.

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April 11th, 2010 at 12:23 AM
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"Accuarcy" fail

"Accuarcy" fail

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