So, your point is Pryor made mistakes, OSU lost because of them, and this made you happy. Why is this a diary again?
Schadenfreude - The Word of the Day
The not-quite-GED-qualifying-because-the-world-needs-ditch-diggers-too-Danny fan base is up in arms down there, if a bit in disagreement, over one or more of the following: 1) Jim Tressel is the biggest loser to ever be associated with the Scarlett and Gray, 2) JT had better get himself a "real" Offensive Coordinator, (aren't all coaches employed by Ohio State "offensive", by definition?) because "college football has passed him by" and, perhaps most venomously, 3) Tyrelle Pryor will never - EVER - be a "real, big time, QB."
Here's my take on Tressel, Pryor and Saturday's game plan against USC, (since I have a hole in my ass, and its pointed at the ground, I'm entitled to my opinion, too): if it could have been possible for both teams to lose, that's what I would have rooted for. Admit it: you feel the same way. I could be all magnanimous and believe that, "I root for OSU when they're not playing Michigan because they're in the Big 10, too, and it counts."
Bullshit. I come from "Old School" Wolverine Football loving tradition: "I have two favorite teams: Michigan, and whomever is playing Ohio State."
I have to admit, though, I do have respect for Tressel. The man has had UM's number for the better part of a decade. He's not the most imaginative play-caller, mind you, but he's not about "three yards and a cloud of dust", either. He's won a BCSNC, and had won consecutive NC's at Youngstown State prior to his move to Columbus.
So, the limited imagination shown in Saturday's Xs and Os, and the week earlier against Navy, really had me scratching my head. The Buckeyes "D" made USC's offense look ordinary (and even less) for 95% of the game -- and that was with a bevy of new starters. But the OSU offense was beyond offensive.
Then, it hit me: it's Pryor. Lots of folks have commented about how he has got problems with his nerves. I think there's more to it. If it were all about nerves, Tressel would be designing plays that take advantage of his freakish physical abilities and what he does most naturally. Except for a couple of designed runs and roll-outs, though, the offense is plain jane.
I think the limitation is in his gray matter. He's been the starter for nearly a year already, over two seasons. Yet, he's still making simple mistakes, (a delay of game penalty ... IN THE TWO MINUTE DRILL?!? WTF???) Plays are taking to long to develop, he's getting rattled, he's not progressing through his keys and missing the coverages and open man. He may yet progress, a la Vince Young. But right now, he's singing that Zeppelin tune, "Dazed and Confused".
Which brings me back to the Word of the Day, (I'm glad you hung in there with me). In the play "Avenue Q", a character named Gary sings the song, "Schadenfreude". The opening lines are:
Right now you are down and out
And feelin' really crappy.
And when I see how said you are,
It sorta makes me happy.
Ahhhh, better already.
* Main Entry: iro·ny
* Pronunciation: \ˈī-rə-nē also ˈī(-ə)r-nē\
* Function: noun
* Inflected Form(s): plural iro·nies
* Etymology: Latin ironia, from Greek eirōnia, from eirōn dissembler
* Date: 1502
1 : a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning —called also Socratic irony
2 a : the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning b : a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony c : an ironic expression or utterance
3 a (1) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result (2) : an event or result marked by such incongruity b : incongruity between a situation developed in a drama and the accompanying words or actions that is understood by the audience but not by the characters in the play —called also dramatic irony, tragic irony
For you, Sir, #2 and/or #3 apply beautifully, as it appears at least 3 folks have neg pointed you for unwittingly stumbling onto the definition of "schadenfreude".
You sir are a total jackass. I know damn well what the word "schadenfreude" mostly because of Brian's "this week in schadenfreude" column type thing that he has been writing for quite some time now....and you are trying to piggy back off of in your title. This is not a diary at all. It's not adding anything new but your emotions.
"This is not a diary at all. It's not adding anything new but your emotions."
That (ie, sharing one's emotions) is, imo, a valid use of a diary entry. It's not "oh wow did you see that play that was crazy yo" or "read this article about forcier for heisman WIN LOL" as seen on the mgoboard. It's unique content.
Also, it's not like Brian has a copyright on football-related schadenfreude postings. In fact, schadenfreude was an internet meme which Brian successfully picked up and tailored with regard to college football.
And also that a "diary" is precisely where one puts one's own emotions. Let us also not forget that you, Sir, started this by challenging whether I should have posted in the first place. If you don't like what I post, don't read it.
Before it slips my mind, "Schadenfreude" (unlike "farfegnugen") is a real German word derived from "schaden" (damage) and "freude" (joy). Copyright to the Germans, c.1895, (if anyone on this board is German, don't come looking to me for royalties; I don't pay them).
If you'd prefer, however, that I used an alternate word or phrase to describe the joy I get from another's misery, (yet another opportunity for "irony" here -- anyone else catching on?) I'll try "Roman holiday".
Actually, that may be the better term anyway, since it refers to the Romans who took delight in watching the Gladiators get slaughtered. Many thanks for helping me to see clearly now.
Hugs and kisses,
I speak passable german friend, I know where the word comes from. Stop trying to look like the smartest guy on the board.
YOU started it.
You two need it -- bad. Reading the snarkiness from you two is like buying oats for a dead horse. Knock if off.
Do ya'll remember that time when some mgoblogger copied and pasted the definition of irony instead of just making a funny comment?
Like an elephant, I didn't forget.
As an Ohio resident, I most enjoyed the local sports radio goobers hotly debating whether they would rather have Pryor or Tate Forcier as OSU's quarterback, and several callers coming down on the side of Forcier.
But to add a little extra to the Pryor blame, the problem for OSU isn't Pryor, it's that he is all they have. They lost a 1st-round RB and two drafted receivers. Boom Herron is not Beanie Wells. Posey and Sanzenbacher are a couple steps down from the WRs of years past. He could make mistakes last year and the talent around him would make up for it, but he is simply not good enough to do it all by himself. But then, neither are most QBs.
Pryor's mistakes stem from an inherently defective bucket of gray matter which is definitely schadenfreude-worthy. I sensed the same skittishness in Pryor at the end of OSU/USC. That's a great sign and all the sweeter knowing he passed at UM.....and we got cool hand Tate.
and football IS passing Tressel by. Tressel is going to get spanked by RR the same way Carr was by Tressel. My only hope is that they let Tressel stay long enough to lose the next five.
The future looks bright, does it not?
All I know is that OSU will show up at the Big House in November and have their most innovative game plan of the year. However, until they let Pryor play to his strengths he and the offense is going to be average. Again, they likely won't look average when we see Herron speeding up and down the turf in Ann Arbor. Let's hope GERG can stop it.
I was banned from all OSU sites long ago, so I trolled the shiat out of the ND sites. Now I am banned from all of those. But it was worth it. I hate them domers to pieces.
Troll, troll troll your boat
gently down the stream...
I have to concur with the observation that Pryor does not look all that bright. He just seems to have a vacant stare in his eyes in all the pictures I see of him. And it’s not just that he is laid back or some such. His remarks about Vick last week were scratch-your-head incoherent. In high school he likely succeeded by his physical gifts alone. And while having the physical tools are important for a QB, what separates QBs as they move up from one level to another is the intelligence to make lightning quick assessments and decisions. Just like Vince Young when he went to the pros, Pryor has all the physical gifts, but lacks the smarts to play the game at this level. And while there may be more physically gifted QBs out there, what is separating Forcier early is his smarts and his ability to make good (albeit not yet perfect) decisions under intense pressure.
Schadenfreude! Pure. Sweet. Schadenfreude. Seriously, that link caught me way off guard. Thanks.
Pryor said he chose OSU because he wanted to develop to a pro-style QB. Clearly his pass-run ratio shows that is what he's/they're trying to do (not to mention when he passes he doesn't move like Tate does). Add to that the loss of Beanie, and tOSU's offense becomes very one dimensional.
tOSU played a conservative ball control game (like Lloyd did against USC in the Rose Bowl). I am actually surprised Pete Carroll didn't open up on them after the half. (Perhaps that speaks to where USC is right now.)
So a) yes, I think Pryor is more hesitant and limited than the hype led evreryone to believe, but b) I also think Tressel called a very conservative game plan which significantly contributed to the loss.
All in all, in the end, I hope he keeps calling them conservative. As Rich gains momentum, that will give us an open door to end this however many days since UofM last beat OSU nonsense.
Agreed. Tressel needs to open up, or suffer the fate of Lloyd.
In the meantime, it is really fun to look at the Big Ten Conference stats and see OSU and MSU 1-1 while we are 2-0 ...
Some poster -- can't remember who -- made an excellent observation a few weeks ago that the career arc of Sweater Vest mirrors that of Lloyd.
Early: Disappointing season(s), but won THE GAME in a big upset (or two).
Then: National Championship thanks to a legendary leather-chewing (tough bastards) defense.
Then: Top-5 recruiting classes, rebuilding year with a loss in The Game, then back to a BCS game, which is won.
Then: A few years of competing at the highest level, with one or two disappointing losses each year.
Then: The Softening.
This may be 2002 for Tressel.
Granted, OSU was going to National Championships when Lloyd spent that period beating SEC teams in Orlando.
Remember, Ohio State hated Lloyd Carr for the first half of his career, then developed a respect for him. And now, suddenly, Michigan sentiment is generally shifting toward respect for him, especially after he came to our defense against Rosenberg and Snyder.
Could you imagine Tressel doing that, oh, six years ago?
Perhaps it's symbolic the Justin Boren is now a Buckeye. He couldn't have picked a better example of Lloyd's softness short of Alex Mitchell. Pryor, then, is his Henne.
The game was absolutely lame after the initial energy wore off (not everyone can have Barwis). As far as Pryor, I initially felt like the play calling limited his natural abilities a bit. Then, I thought that he is trying too hard too early to be a pocket-passer. I believe it may be a little of both, but maybe with good reason. Vest's play calling may be plain because it probably has to be. There receiving corps is green, no doubt. Maybe they have issues blocking downfield into the secondary to be able to free Pryor up to run around the ends? Also, the Vest's limited play calling could be insurance (of sorts) to protect his QB - Why? Because their back up is, IMO, OSU's version of Sheridan. As far as progressing to be the pocket-passer, Vince Young and Troy Smith didn't get to this level until Young's Jr. year and Smith's Sr. year. Pryor is just a Soph. Granted, it is his second year starting, but maybe it is still too early for him to be as much of a pocket passer as they have shown. I don't see much transition in the play calling. It just went from one extreme to the other. I remain a little cautious with my optimism, but I think we have one hell of a chance to beat OSU this year. Let them be plain all year long.....GO BLUE!!
Eh, I don't think you can chalk the conservative calling up to wanting to protect Pryor. USC was one of the two super-high-profile games OSU will have this year (counting The Game; unless PSU is ranked in the top-5, the PSU/OSU game's hype will likely be limited more to the Big Ten), I don't think you can be too concerned with protecting your QB in that situation. You have to let him play and try to win the game. Calling a game that does not let your star QB, who is very athletic, make use of his abilities looks pretty bad when you're in the spotlight. If you're calling a tight game because you want to protect him, it just makes you look soft to a national audience and looks bad for recruits.
Hate to say it, but they are. This isn't some soul destroying supernova year for Tressel-ball, it's a rebuilding year. You know, the kind every school not named USC has once in a while. I remember just a few years ago, OSU was at this exact same level.
The fact is, OSU doesn't have the personnel it's had the past few years at RB, WR or LB. But they are still good, and still competitive, which is something we need to (and will) emulate over time. Hell, they barely lost to a team that's superior on paper at every position except QB.
I think the one thing that's true of all this is that Pryor is not yet a great QB. Okay, he's got crazy skills, but he doesn't play smart yet. He's probably just a late bloomer like Vince Young, but maybe he'll never reach that level either. The more I think about it, the more I think he would have been better off with a system like ours that's tailored to his skill set.
There's a good argument that Tressel is the New Carr. Over time, two things happen: 1) you lose your fire; and 2) people figure your tricks out.
Not all coaches decline, but most seem to go into a funk if they stick around long enough. Also, I think this process is quicker now than it used to be.
But I really don't see evidence that this is happening to OSU. They've only had 2 years with 4+ losses in Tressel's tenure, and that was in 2001 (his first) and 2004. We had 4 (I think) under Carr, including 2 of his last 3.
Schadenfreude toast for breakfast
I enjoy mine with a splash of vinegar and a little extra salt.