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By EGD — June 24th, 2011 at 11:35 PM — 29 comments
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With news reports continuing to expose more violations on almost a weekly basis, it may still be premature to estimate the types of NCAA penalties the Ohio State football program may ultimately face.  But with the information already available, it appears that the Buckeyes could be headed for some of the fiercest sanctions the NCAA has imposed in over twenty years.  Times have certainly changed, and medieval penalties like TV bans or the vaunted SMU “death penalty” are probably off the table.  But with major college sports seemingly on the brink of a plunge into lawlessness, the infractions committee is likely to feel enough pressure to impose sanctions at least as stiff as similar offenders from the past.  Here’s a look at some prior NCAA scandals with elements similar to the malfeasance in Columbus, which—if the infractions committee wants to be consistent with its past punishments—may supply some guidance as to just what kind of damage the NCAA cyclone will do when it finally touches down.

  1. Free Shoes University

What happened:  A Las Vegas sports agent made cash payments to at least 9 star players on Florida State’s MNC-winning football team, and funded at least one “after-hours shopping spree” in which players received shoes, coats, and other gear on the agent’s dime.  This most famously included a 1993 excursion to a Tallahassee Foot Locker, which ended with four carloads of FSU players carting off $6,000 worth of merchandise.  As Corey Sawyer, one of the players involved, later told Sports Illustrated, “We just bought out Foot Locker, period.   At least half the football team was there.” 

Sanctions Imposed: One year probation

Relevance to OSU Scandal:  Pretty similar to Tatgate in terms of the numbers of players involved, the nature of the infractions, and the amount of money the players received.

Key Differences with OSU Scandal:  (1) while there were some indications that FSU coaches may have suspected that players had received improper benefits and did not take prompt action, this was never proven, and there was absolutely no evidence of a purposeful cover-up like at OSU; (2) the free shoes scandal was not coupled with a “test-drive our cars forever” policy at a local dealership

Sanctions for OSU are likely to be: much greater, both because the OSU scandal is substantially more egregious and because the NCAA was heavily criticized for the laughably weak sanction it gave FSU for an infraction involving “half the football team.” 

     2. The USC/Reggie Bush Scandal

What happened:  USC star Reggie Bush set up a “business” with a sports agent, through which members of Bush’s family received benefits, including cash and a house, estimated at nearly $280,000 in value.  This happened at the same time as a separate scandal involving USC basketball star OJ Mayo, resulting in a dreaded “lack of institutional control” charge.  Trojans head football coach Pete Carroll, who had encouraged sports agents to hire USC players for internships, was found to have known about the improper benefits.

Sanctions Imposed: Two-year bowl ban, loss of 10 scholarships for three years (30 total), four-year probation in football, plus forfeiture of wins and championships; one-year post-season ban, loss of 3 scholarships over two years, and recruiting penalties in basketball

Relevance to OSU Scandal:  Probably the most significant point of commonality is that the USC head football coach was aware of the improper benefits but did not report them, and may have had a hand in facilitating the infractions (similarly, Tressel may have steered players to the Kniffen car dealership and may have connected Terrelle Pryor to greenpalmed boosters like Ted Sarniak).  While not engaging in an OSU-style cover-up, USC also failed to satisfactorily cooperate with the NCAA investigators.  The USC and OSU scandals are also close in time.

Key Differences with OSU Scandal:  (1) Despite rampant speculation that players other than Reggie Bush received improper benefits, Bush was the only football player clearly proven to have done so; (2) USC violations spanned multiple sports whereas OSU’s violations were concentrated in football*

*Of course, it is possible that the Jim Tressel violations could date back to Jim O’Brien era in Buckeye hoops (see: M. Clarett) ; also, a recent report suggested reporters from ESPN are looking into possible point-shaving activity by OSU players, probably in basketball.

Sanctions for OSU are likely to be:  About the same.  The USC sanctions seem to have established a new standard in the current era, in which TV bans (let alone the “death penalty”) are considered cruel & unusual.  The OSU facts are arguably worse, with an active cover-up and proof of widespread player involvement, but so if the NCAA finds the violations are limited to one sport then they might be less likely to drop the LOIC hammer.

     3. Michigan Hoops – Ed Martin Scandal

What Happened: Four Michigan basketball stars (Chris Webber, Mo Taylor, Louis Bullock, and Robert Traylor), and possibly a fifth (Albert White), accepted a total of more than $600,000 in “loans” from basketball booster Ed Martin—a former Ford Motor Co. electrician who also ran a numbers racket at Detroit auto plants.  Michigan coaches Bill Frieder and Steve Fischer allowed Martin access to the players and the program despite knowing of repeated instances in which Martin supplied or attempted to supply improper benefits to players or their families.  The NCAA learned of these violations through an investigation it launched following a 1996 roll-over car accident involving several players returning to Ann Arbor from a Detroit house party, when media reports indicated that UM had violated a rule against transporting a recruit (Mateen Cleaves) more than 30 miles from campus.

Sanctions Imposed: One year post-season ban, four years’ probation, loss of 4 scholarships over four years, ten-year “disassociation” from Webber, Bullock, Taylor, and Traylor, forfeiture of wins, championships, and post-season honors.  (Contrary to popular belief, the hiring of Brian Ellerbee was not an NCAA-imposed sanction).

Relevance to OSU Scandal:  (1) these scandals are remarkably similar in the nature of the violations and  in spanning long time periods; (2) the chairman of the NCAA infractions committee, Thomas Yeager, referred to the UM scandal as “one of the three or four most egregious violations of NCAA bylaws ever,” and the OSU scandal surely deserves a similar description.

Key Differences with OSU Scandal:  (1) UM did not get caught in a secondary cover-up scandal; (2) whereas Michigan players accepted money from just Ed Martin, the OSU situation appears to involve multiple boosters and numerous sources of improper benefits (e.g., Ted Sarniak, the Kniffin car dealership, Fine Line Ink, etc.); (3) hoops vs. pigskins

 Sanctions for OSU are likely to be: somewhat greater.  The Ed Martin investigation dragged on for six years, the A.D. and all of the players and coaches implicated in the scandal had left by the time the sanctions came down—a factor that may have led to some leniency on the part of the NCAA; by contrast, the NCAA appears to be moving much more quickly in OSU’s case, and will likely impose the sanctions while delinquent players, coaches, and administrators are still in C-Bus.  This could change at the end of the 2011 season if, as is widely expected, Luke Fickell is replaced as HC by an outsider with a clean rep.  But this may be easier said than done for OSU administration if the players rally behind Fickell and turn in another 11-win season.  

     4. Alabama Football Recruiting Scandal

What Happened: Numerous Alabama boosters were found to have made large cash payments—many over $10,000 and one case $115,000—to high school coaches in return for steering recruits to sign with the Crimson Tide.  One recruit received the use of a car in return for his commitment to Alabama.  A booster was also found to have made cash payments directly to a recruit, but this violation occurred outside the NCAA’s limitations period.   The scandal, which involved conduct beginning in 1995, was exacerbated by Alabama’s status as a “repeat offender,” having been placed on probation in 1995 due to (former player) Antonio Langham accepting money from an agent and thus competing while ineligible during the 1993 season.

Sanctions Imposed: Two-year bowl ban, five years’ probation, loss of 21 scholarships over three years

Relevance to OSU Scandal:  The Alabama sanctions were the heaviest the NCAA had imposed on a football program, short of the death penalty, until the USC sanctions—and media reports (if you believe them) suggest the NCAA seriously considered the death penalty in Alabama’s case.  Yet, the Alabama scandal appears to have been even more egregious than the USC scandal.  This may indicate that the NCAA has stiffened its overall level of discipline.  Another point of similarity is that the Alabama investigation turned up evidence of gross violations (e.g., a $20,000 payment to a recruit) that were outside the NCAA limitations period; similarly, Tressel appears to have a well-documented history of misconduct that may not be admissible in connection with the present OSU proceedings (ahem, Clarett, ahem, hack, cough, Ray Isaac, ahem...).

Key Differences with OSU Scandal:  (1) Alabama was largely punished for allowing boosters to pay high school coaches, not for providing benefits to recruits directly (as the OSU boosters appear to be doing); (2) it is not yet clear what the NCAA will be able to prove regarding the extent of OSU coaches’ involvement in arranging or “not noticing” the receipt of improper benefits by players.

Sanctions for OSU are likely to be: about the same.  See USC above.

     5. Pell Grant Scandal at The U

What Happened: Between 1989 and 1991, an “academic advisor” at Miami helped 50 or more athletes obtain over $200,000 in federal Pell Grants by submitting falsified applications.  Since the players had full-ride scholarships, the grant money went directly into their pockets.  In the wake of the scandal, SI called on Miami to disband its football program, and reported that “[f]ifty-seven players were implicated in a financial-aid scandal that the feds call ‘perhaps the largest centralized fraud upon the federal Pell Grant program ever committed.’"  The ensuing investigation also uncovered over $400,000 of other financial aid improperly paid to 141 football players, as well as other improprieties regarding a drug test policy.

Sanctions Imposed: One-year bowl ban, loss of 31 scholarships over three years, one-year bowl ban; also, the academic advisor who prepared the false applications was sentenced to three years in prison

Relevance to OSU Scandal:  While the nature of the infractions are considerably different, the end results are the same—large numbers of players receiving improper benefits having a relatively low cash value.  With the Miami case appearing objectively much more egregious than the OSU violations, the penalty ultimately assessed seems to suggest that the NCAA will not seriously consider scholarship reductions much above 30, or bowl bans lasting longer than one or two years, even for the worst offenses.

Key Differences with OSU Scandal:  At least with the OSU scandal, the players have who took money and cars from willing boosters and memorabilia dealers appear to have violated only the NCAA bylaws, not criminal laws.  In the Miami case, the funds were fraudulently procured from the U.S. government.  Even with the botched cover-up, it is unlikely the OSU scandal will eclipse the Miami scandal in terms of sheer criminality.   Also, the central role of Miami’s “academic advisor” lent a degree of plausible deniability to the coaching staff and athletic administrators—OSU’s folks are unlikely to enjoy that luxury.

Sanctions for OSU are likely to be: milder.  Tressel may have been a liar and a cheat, but at least he does not appear to have allowed university officials to steal public funds to pay his players.   

Oh, and since I know how much the mgoblog community likes charts:

School

Year of Sanctions

Violation(s)

Bowl Ban

Scholarship Reductions

Probation

Forfeited Wins/Titles

Florida State

1993

Players got $$ and free stuff

No

None

1 year

No

The U

1995

School officials got athletes grants illegally

1 year

31 (over 3 years)

3 years

No

Alabama

2002

Boosters paid HS coaches for recruits

2 years

21 (over 3 years)

5 years

Yes

Michigan (B-ball)

2003

Multiple players got $$ from one booster

1 year

4 (over 4 years)

2 years

Yes

U.S.C.

2011

Players in multiple sports got agent

2 years

30 (over 3 years)

4 years

Yes

Prediction for Ohio State (based on the above): 3-year bowl ban, reduction of 11 scholarships per year for 3 years (33-scholarship loss total), 5 years probation, forfeiture of wins and trophies for all games in which Terelle Pryor competed after he began receiving improper benefits

Some forseeable things that could aggravate the sanctions: (1) the NCAA amplifies the penalty due for having allowed it to happen less than five years after the OSU basketball scandal; or (2) violations in other sports (such as the rumored point-shaving in hoops) are uncovered; or (3) OSU fails to clean house after the 2011 football season

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June 24th, 2011 at 11:45 PM | (Score:1)
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Interesting take. I am really interested in seeing whether the NCAA tries to reel in the soon-to-be out of control direction of things, or protect their moneymaker.

Football is both an identity and a terminal illness. A rhythm and a chaos and an opiate for the mind all at once.

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June 25th, 2011 at 12:00 AM | Then again (Score:1)
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if more keeps coming out the NCAA's hand may be forced

Football is both an identity and a terminal illness. A rhythm and a chaos and an opiate for the mind all at once.

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June 24th, 2011 at 11:47 PM | I don't see greater penalties (Score:2 Normal)
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I don't see greater penalties for OSU than USC, given what we currently know.

 

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June 25th, 2011 at 1:23 AM | Unfortunately for (Score:1)
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 TSIO the NCAA punishes as harshly they see fit. What they assume plus what they know will determine the sanctions, and they're probably pretty mad right now. Factor in Tressel, plus the continuing drama at UNC after the USC verdict already came down and I have to believe the NCAA feels like they're not being taken seriously. They have the power to make schools respect their authoritah and Ohio is next up for punishment.

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June 25th, 2011 at 12:10 AM | Conservative Estimate (Score:0 Flamebait)
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Scholarship Reductions of 21-31 over 3 years

Bowl Ban of at least 2 years

4-5 Years Probation

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June 25th, 2011 at 12:19 AM | And... (Score:2 Funny)
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...the bailiff will whack Tressel's pee pee.

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June 25th, 2011 at 12:21 AM | Were they on probation for the basketball problem? (Score:1)
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You say for it happening less than 5 years after is that a meaningful number?  Also right now isn't the only for sure problem is the at5 and cover up/lying?  Where you mention boosters paying players/Pryor andthe car dealership I'm not sure if that will play as large a role as we would hope.  It is all suspicious but may be difficult to prove anything and therefore not worsen the penalties for tsio.

This might be arrogant, and if it is, it is, but we're Michigan

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June 25th, 2011 at 12:26 AM | 5 years (Score:2)
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The significance of the 5-year thing is that it could trigger NCAA Rule 19.5.2.3.1, which provides: 

“An institution shall be considered a ‘repeat’ violator if the Committee on Infractions finds that a major violation has occurred within five years of the starting date of a major penalty. For this provision to apply, at least one major violation must have occurred within five years after the starting date of the penalties in the previous case.”

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June 25th, 2011 at 12:32 AM | I see (Score:1)
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But weren't they not listed as repeat offenders in the notice of allegations?

This might be arrogant, and if it is, it is, but we're Michigan

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June 25th, 2011 at 2:12 AM | Men's Bball & Troy Smith (Score:2)
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The NOA specifically mentioned the men's bball scandal and Troy Smith's receipt of extra benefits as the basis for possibly determining OSU to be a repeat violator. Given that the Troy Smith situation was an "extra benefits" case that also happened under JT's watch, OSU should be very worried.

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June 25th, 2011 at 12:57 AM | Repeat violator (Score:3 Normal)
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If all the NCAA can prove is that JT lied about the Tat-5 and knowingly played two ineligible players during the 2010 season, and if they don't tag OSU as a repeat violator, OSU actually might get off with significantly lighter penalties than USC. But the fact that the NCAA included the repeat violator language in the NOI is an ominous sign. It provides the NCAA with more than enough cover to hit OSU with nearly any penalties it wants. Also, if OSU and the NCAA thoroughly investigate the Dennis Talbott situation and uncover many more violations going back multiple years, it is hard to see how the NCAA would justify significantly less than USC level sanctions.

"I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything."  B. Simpson

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June 25th, 2011 at 1:32 AM | All the NCAA (Score:1)
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needed to give SMU the Death Penalty (besides the accusation of the 1 player) was the AD caught lying about a single envelope. They showed him an envelope the kid had received and the AD said (par.) "I never sent him anything." They didn't need a paper trail or check stubs or a car to prove benefits had been paid. They had an accusation, an addressed empty envelope, and a lie and they gave out the death penalty. By that standard they have a mountain of evidence.

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June 25th, 2011 at 12:06 PM | True… (Score:1)
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But the death penalty deep-sixed the SMU program, which has only begun to show signs of life in recent years. I doubt the NCAA will treat aOSU similarly—USC is the standard they will follow. Penalties that hurt enough to get a program's attention, but not so much that they eliminate a tremendous source of revenue for the NCAA. I expect the probation period might be the one penalty aspect that is significantly increased relative to USC.

Nice article EGD. Thanks for the thoughtful analysis.

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June 25th, 2011 at 8:10 PM | OSU makes no money for the (Score:1)
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OSU makes no money for the NCAA; whatever the NCAA cares about, money has nothing to do with it.

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June 25th, 2011 at 12:52 AM | Posted from Mgodroid app (Score:1 Normal)
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Can't the NCAA go back past the statue of limitations if the violations concern the elgibility of players? I recall reading something like that in the NCAA document about LOIC.

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June 25th, 2011 at 1:51 AM | Yes they can. (Score:1)
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If you backtrack on The Wolverine Blog you'll find a great article specifically about it. Here's the link:

http://www.thewolverineblog.com/2011/06/01/mailbag-osu-the-ncaas-statute-of-limitations-and-you/

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June 25th, 2011 at 4:06 AM | Nice post. Good info here. (Score:2)
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Nice post. Good info here. But...Ed Martin: I've got to ask, where are you getting the info that Steve Fischer and Bill Frieder were found to have known about Martin giving the loans? You use the phrase "allowed access" and "knew" of giving improper benefits or attempting to do so. . . can you clarify?  I feel like if we're going to talk about Michigan's violations on a Michigan site, we should be as accurate as possible.

Frieder was gone before Webber ever got to campus. . . 3 years beforehand, actually. Also, Martin wasn't a "booster" until the 1993 Final Four when tickets were given to him, I thought. Are you getting that info from the NCAA's findings, because I have some strong doubts about the veracity of what you included in the Ed Martin/UM portion above, though perhaps my impressions are wrong and the generally accepted info (or so I thought) that I was basing my conclusions on was coming from sources projecting through a  Maize and Blue prism. Can you cite sources?

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June 25th, 2011 at 11:47 AM | UM basketball scandal (Score:2)
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Most of the information I relied on regarding the Michigan hoops scandal was from this Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Michigan_basketball_scandal.  

The wikipedia page does cite to several news articles and whatnot but whether those sources are fully inaccurate I cannot say.  Ordinarily I would not rely on Wikipedia but in this situation I was only interested in summarizing the basic facts involved in UM hoops scandal and the resulting sanctions, not unearthing new information about it.

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June 25th, 2011 at 2:06 PM | Cool deal. I appreciate the (Score:2)
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Cool deal. I appreciate the response. But damn, man. Frieder was gone before Webber ever got to U of M. By years.

Here are some helpful links, with the official response the first one (you will note that U of M started the investigation, and the NCAA joined. Our findings weren't revised by the NCAA, by the way): I encourage you to read the official response/findings and revise the OP, as it contains serious flaws. The official response details the accusations and what was found after investigating the matter.  And this is a Michigan blog, where people would think that, especially in the Diaries, if you're going to summarize our own transgressions, that summary would be accurate:  http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/sports/umncaa11702rpt.pdf

 http://www.vpcomm.umich.edu/pa/key/bball.html

http://www.ur.umich.edu/0102/Nov11_02/4.shtml

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.michigandaily.com/content/history-ed-martin-and-michigan

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/college/news/2003/05/08/michigan_ban_ap/

 

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June 25th, 2011 at 2:40 PM | Serious flaws? (Score:2)
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What are you saying is flawed?  I will look at the links you posted, but I want to know what I am supposed to be looking for.

I am well aware that Frieder left before Webber got to A2.  Frieder famously left before the NCAA tournament in '89, and Webber started at Michigan for the 1991-92 season.  What is the significance of that?

All I said about Frieder was that he and Fischer knew Ed Martin and allowed him access to the program despite knowing about Martin's attempts to give players improper benefits (I did not use the word "loans" as you had suggested.  I used "improper benefits" intentionally to encompass the gifts, in-kind payments, and other non-cash benefits associated with Martin).  

If anything is inaccurate, it would seem to be that Frieder might not have known about Martin's attempts at giving players improper benefits during the time Frieder was coach.  But that appears unlikely, because Martin was found to have offered improper benefits to Terry Mills while Frieder was recruiting him.  

Is there something else I am missing?

 

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June 25th, 2011 at 10:26 AM | Fisher (Score:2)
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As far as Fisher goes, he reportedly found out Martin was paying deposits for players' apartments and stopped it..

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June 25th, 2011 at 2:36 PM | Correct (Score:2)
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This took place in the Fall of 1996, I believe, and Fisher made Martin take the money back and made the players pay it, and this led to the University disassociating itself with Martin officially, I believe.

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June 25th, 2011 at 11:59 AM | Thanks for the post - impact extends beyond this blog (Score:1)
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Thanks for the blog entry and putting in one place all of these scandals, their details and the punishment meted out.

The NCAA due to perfect storm of scandals (Reggie Bush USC, Cam New Auburn, Tressel-Sugar Bowl, too many to list BB stuff from coast to coast) is now under greater scrutiny than ever. Putting these past scandals and their charges together makes it easier to compare punishments and sanctions and forces them to be consistent.

Were this some paper published fanzine or weekly newsletter sent by snail mail, the impact of such a piece would be limited and dismissed as a biased screed.

But today due to the Net a lot of people are made aware of the situation. One of realities of the change in the media world is that fewer MSM reporters do in-depth research - sometimes they rely on helpers, others just wing it and focus on "reaction" pieces. Actually looking up details, dates and such takes time, energy and basically isn't as much fun as dialing up a phone and trying to get a sound bite from a coach, AD or other source or just typing away about how the writer feels about something. The former is actual work.

Thanks again and good job.

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June 25th, 2011 at 2:34 PM | Great research! (Score:1)
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Let's hope the NCAA is independent, consistent and even handed.  Consistency is one sign of a great organization, even when there is so much emotion.

 

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June 25th, 2011 at 5:19 PM | forfeited vs. vacated (Score:1)
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U of M hoops' wins were vacated, not forfeited.  In 1996, they actually gained a win due to another team's forfeit (Purdue, I believe), though, so NCAA has them down for a 1-10 record.  Not sure how the NCAA decides whether a team vacates or forfeits, but hopefully the criteria or guidelines are laid out somewhere in the rule books.  In hoops, here are the cases where teams had forfeits, instead of vacated wins (or wins/losses):

  • '76 Oregon St
  • '77 Minnesota
  • '89 Miami (NTM)
  • '95 and '96 California
  • '96 Purdue

All the other hoops erased/changed games were vacated.  Can't find a nice summary on the NCAA site for football vacated/forfeited games, but I think most have been vacated.

I would expect any OSU punishment would be vacated wins or vacated wins and losses, as that is what usually seems to be given when a team uses ineligible players, not forfeits.

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June 25th, 2011 at 6:12 PM | (Score:1)
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excellent article

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June 25th, 2011 at 8:14 PM | Sarniak doesn't appear to be (Score:1)
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Sarniak doesn't appear to be an OSU booster. He might have been shoveling money to TPeezy2, but he didn't have any relationship with OSU until Pryor arrived (and I don't think he donated money or bought season tickets), he went on all of Pryor's recruiting visits, IIRC.

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June 26th, 2011 at 8:19 PM | I think that Sarniak would qualify now as a booster (Score:1 Normal)
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Since Tressel spent literally hours communicating with Sarniak in phone calls and text messages, it does appear that Sarniak played a significant role in Pryor's upkeep.

As for him being a booster, I think that getting free tickets makes him one.  Sarniak got free tickets--reportedly from Brewster--who has not yet been suspended, even though the SI article cited him as one of the 9 current players with violations.

Brewster is from FLA, and the NCAA is reportedly investigating OSU in FLA, although I am not sure if it is Brewster who is the subject of their investigation.

michelin

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July 3rd, 2011 at 5:22 PM | pretty blue glasses (Score:1)
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So you say OSU's sanctions will be lighter than "da U"... but predict heavier sanctions?

 

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