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By Laveranues — April 16th, 2010 at 5:48 PM — 8 comments
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In an effort to determine where the Michigan athletic department stands relative to our BCS conference peers, I have compiled the win/loss records for all the constituent programs for the last 8 years.  I knew it wouldn’t be pretty, but I’m kind of a masochist and wanted to quantify how far we have fallen.

Details and Assumptions

  • The analysis includes 66 teams:  65 BCS conference teams from the ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, PAC 10, and SEC, plus Notre Dame (here, included as part of the Big East for both football and basketball).  The basketball-exclusive Big East members are omitted.

o   The records include all games, included those against non-BCS (or non-FCS) opponents.

  •       The records cited are the complete records for the 2002 – 2009 seasons (the year being when the season began), including all post-season play.  For basketball, conference tourney, NIT, and NCAA tournament records are weighted equally.

  •       The Overall record is an equally weighted average of the football and basketball records [(FB% + BB%) / 2).

  •       Baseball and hockey were omitted due to the inherent regional bias (and laziness).

  •       There is a laundry list of flaws in the methodology, but I only had so much free time at work, and the results are intended to be interesting, not irrefutable.

 

The most basic question is: where does our athletic department relative to other BCS conference teams.  Based on the analysis described above, we are the 34th best BCS program in the country (out of 66) for the time period in question:

Football

Basketball

Overall

Michigan %

64.00%

54.58%

59.29%

M Rank

21

47

34

Michigan State is 33rd for the same period.  Under Lloyd Carr from 2002 – 2007, Michigan was the 10th best football program (not ripping RR, just sayin’).

The top programs in the country for the time period are as follows:

Football

Basketball

Overall

USC

Kansas

Texas

Texas

Duke

Ohio State

Ohio State

Pittsburgh

Florida

Oklahoma

UNC

Oklahoma

Georgia

Kentucky

Wisconsin

LSU

Wisconsin

USC

Florida

Syracuse

West VA

VA Tech

Texas

Pittsburgh

West VA

Florida

LSU

Auburn

Louisville

Louisville

The Utahs, Boise States, Memphises, et al of the world would probably appear above, but their inclusion would complicate the analysis.

What is the best conference overall?  The Big East, apparently:

Football

Basketball

Overall

FB Rank

BB Rank

Overall

ACC

56.65%

62.43%

59.54%

5

2

4

Big East

58.31%

64.31%

61.31%

2

1

1

Big 10

56.79%

59.25%

58.02%

4

5

5

Big 12

57.69%

61.64%

59.66%

3

3

3

PAC 10

54.64%

58.15%

56.40%

6

6

6

SEC

58.94%

60.97%

59.96%

1

4

2

With the exception of Big East basketball, the conference games are a wash by definition, so the above should reflect non-conference performance (with many caveats, of course, like the relative cupcakiness of non-con scheduling). 

Unsurprisingly, the SEC is the top football conference.  Surprisingly, the Big East is second.  The PAC 10 comes in last in both, which is a result of middling surprisingness.

Finally, the teams that Michigan is most similar to in other BCS conferences:

Football

Basketball

Overall

ACC

Florida St

Georgia Tech

Wake Forest

Big East

Louisville

Cincinnati

Cincinnati

Big 12

Missouri

Nebraska

Missouri

PAC 10

Oregon St

Oregon

Oregon

SEC

Tennessee

S. Carolina

Kentucky

That is all.

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April 16th, 2010 at 6:17 PM | Was this meant to be (Score:1)
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Was this meant to be depressing?

Galileo was also chastised.

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April 16th, 2010 at 6:24 PM | Yeah, kind of. (meant to be reply to next comment) (Score:1)
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Naturally, I think we are a top 5 program in both sports, but it's been a while since we proved it.

Does it say Deke on the paper? Are there any other Dekes in your class?

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April 16th, 2010 at 6:25 PM | Interesting way of looking at just basketball and football... (Score:1)
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but I prefer the methodology of the Director's Cup, and not just because Michigan still looks pretty good in those rankings.

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April 16th, 2010 at 6:41 PM | Comparing the methodologies (Score:1)
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Comparing the methodologies really is neither here nor there because the Directors Cup isn't measuring the same thing.

Galileo was also chastised.

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April 16th, 2010 at 6:49 PM | Methodologies (Score:1)
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In general terms, they are measuring the same thing: success of schools' athletics. It is in this broad sense of ranking schools that I was speaking. One includes a range of sports for their ranking, the other looks only at the two biggest revenue sports. The OP stated that he chose not to include baseball and hockey due to regional biases. The Director's Cup scoring methodology overcomes this problem.

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April 17th, 2010 at 11:02 AM | WOW! I'm sober now, but (Score:1)
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I think I want to get drunk.

Those results are painful to read. Here's to turning that around starting today!

GO BLUE!

What the mind can conceive and believe, the mind can achieve and...Those Who Stay WILL Be Champions.

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April 17th, 2010 at 3:55 PM | Interesting (Score:1)
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Thanks for the leg work on that. I imagine it was kind of mind numbing.

To be completely honest, it's not as bad as I would have thought. Basketball's overall record being above 0.500 is kind of surprising, but there have been some decent years mixed in. All in all, with major transitions / transformations going on in both programs, I can live with it. I think it's actually a pretty fair way of comparing things relative to what the general public perceives / actually cares about.

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April 18th, 2010 at 9:38 AM | Football (Score:1)
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Hopefully our rank for football starts to go back up after this year.

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