Home
we had subs it was crazy

Primary links

  • About
    • $upport (lol)
    • Ethics
    • FAQ
    • Privacy Policy
  • Contact
  • MGoStore
  • MGoBoard
    • MGoBoard FAQ
    • Ticket spreadsheet
    • Michigan bar locator
    • Moderator Action Sticky
  • Useful Stuff
    • Depth Chart By Class
    • Unofficial Two Deep
    • 2013 Offer Board
    • Crude Bug Tracking System
    • Third Down Stats
    • Diaries, Windows Live Writer, And You
    • Michigan Future Schedules
    • User-Curated HOF
    • 2013 Recruiting Board
    • Where To Eat In Ann Arbor
Home Diaries AC1997's blog

Navigation

  • Forums
  • Recent posts

User login

  • Create new account
  • Request new password

MGoElsewhere

  • @MGoBlog (Brian)
  • @aceanbender
  • @TomVH (Tom)
  • RSS Feed
  • iPhone App
  • Facebook profile
  • MGoKindle Store
  • mgo.licio.us
  • Brian @ TSB [Archive]
  • Brian @ AOL [Archive]
  • Sour Salty Bitter Sweet

Michigan Blogs

  • Big House Blog
  • Burgeoning Wolverine Star
  • Genuinely Sarcastic
  • Go Blue Michigan Wolverine
  • Holdin' The Rope
  • MGoFootball
  • MVictors
  • Maize 'n' Blue Nation
  • Maize 'n' Brew
  • Maize And Go Blue
  • Michigan Hockey Net
  • The Blog That Yost Built
  • The Hoover Street Rag
  • The M Block
  • The M Zone
  • The Wolverine Blog
  • Touch The Banner
  • UMGoBlog
  • UMHoops
  • UMTailgate
  • Wolverine Liberation Army

M On The Net

  • mgovideo
  • MGoBlue.com
  • Mike DeSimone
  • Recruiting Planet
  • The Wolverine
  • Go Blue Wolverine
  • Winged Helmet
  • UMGoBlue.com
  • MaizeRage.org
  • Puckhead
  • The M Den
  • True Blue Fan Forum

Big Ten Blogs

  • Illinois
    • A Lion Eye
    • Hail To The Orange
    • Illinois Baseball Report
    • Illinois Loyalty
  • Indiana
    • Inside The Hall
    • The Crimson Quarry
  • Iowa
    • Black Heart, Gold Pants
    • Fight For Iowa
  • Michigan State
    • The Only Colors
  • Minnesota
    • GopherHole.com
    • The Daily Gopher
    • I'm In Love With A Fringe Bowl Team
    • TNABACG
  • Nebraska
    • Big Red Network
    • Corn Nation
    • Husker Mike's Blasphemy
    • Husker Gameday
  • Northwestern
    • Sippin' On Purple
    • Lake The Posts
  • Notre Dame
    • The House Rock Built
    • One Foot Down
  • Ohio State
    • Eleven Warriors
    • Buckeye Commentary
    • Men of the Scarlet and Gray
    • Our Honor Defend
    • The Buckeye Nine
  • Penn State
    • Slow States
    • Black Shoe Diaries
    • Happy Valley Hardball
    • Penn State Clips
    • Linebacker U
    • Nittany White Out
  • Purdue
    • Boiled Sports
    • Hammer and Rails
  • Wisconsin
    • Bruce Ciskie

Links of Note

  • Baseball
    • Big Ten Hardball
    • College Baseball Today
    • The Baseball Zealot
    • The College Baseball Blog
  • Basketball
    • Ken Pomeroy
    • Basketball Prospectus
    • Midmajority
  • College Hockey
    • Chris Heisenberg
    • College Hockey Stats
    • Inside College Hockey
    • Michigan College Hockey
    • Hockey's Future
    • Sioux Sports
    • USCHO
    • Western College Hockey
    • CCHA
      • LSSU Hockey
      • Bronco Hockey Blog
  • Football
    • Smart Football
    • Every Day Should Be Saturday
    • Doctor Saturday
    • CFB Stats
    • Harold Stassen
    • NCAA D-I Stats Page
    • The Wizard Of Odds
  • General
    • Sports Central
  • Local Interest
    • The Ann Arbor Chronicle
    • Arborwiki
    • Arbor Update
    • Teeter Talk
    • Vacuum
  • Teams Of The D
    • Lions
      • Pride of Detroit
      • Fire Millen
    • Pistons
      • Detroit Bad Boys
      • Need4Sheed
    • Tigers
      • Roar Of The Tigers
      • The Detroit Tigers Weblog
      • The Daily Fungo
    • Red Wings
      • On The Wings
      • Behind The Jersey
      • Winging It In Motown
    • Michigan Sports Forum

Archive

  • May 2013 (55)
  • April 2013 (94)
  • March 2013 (104)
  • February 2013 (81)
  • January 2013 (93)
  • December 2012 (74)
  • November 2012 (142)
  • October 2012 (143)
  • September 2012 (107)
  • August 2012 (103)
  •  
  • 1 of 11
  • ››

Get Yer Tickets

Football Display Case

NFL Watches

Follow your favorite team with localtv-satellite.com: Click Here.

Site Search

Diaries

  • New
  • Popular
  • Hot
  • Does Expansion Actually Lead to More Recruits From a Certain Region?
    maizeonblueaction - 23 hours ago
  • Raiding the B1G-er Big Ten: Recruiting Prospects in Maryland and Rutgers Territory
    The Mathlete - 2 days ago
  • A Cynical Take on Why Expansion May be Dead for the Forseeable Future
    maizeonblueaction - 3 days ago
  • LIGHT IT UP, AGAIN. WALLPAPER
    jonvalk - 3 days ago
  • Using Rivals' Star Ratings To Look At Big Ten Football Recruiting: 2002-2013
    LSAClassOf2000 - 4 days ago
  •  
  • 1 of 4
  • ››
more
  • Using Rivals' Star Ratings To Look At Big Ten Football Recruiting: 2002-2013
    LSAClassOf2000 - 933 views
  • More Milford Men Than Michigan Men: Comparing the 11-12 and 12-13 Hockey Teams
    MGoBlueline - 802 views
  • UMich NFL draft history, Part III
    blueheron - 781 views
  • LIGHT IT UP, AGAIN. WALLPAPER
    jonvalk - 747 views
  • A Cynical Take on Why Expansion May be Dead for the Forseeable Future
    maizeonblueaction - 628 views
  •  
  • 1 of 2
  • ››
more
  • Big Ten Recruiting Rankings 4-30-13
    Ace - 81 comments
  • Using Rivals' Star Ratings To Look At Big Ten Football Recruiting: 2002-2013
    LSAClassOf2000 - 19 comments
  • A Cynical Take on Why Expansion May be Dead for the Forseeable Future
    maizeonblueaction - 18 comments
  • LIGHT IT UP, AGAIN. WALLPAPER
    jonvalk - 17 comments
  • Raiding the B1G-er Big Ten: Recruiting Prospects in Maryland and Rutgers Territory
    The Mathlete - 13 comments
  •  
  • 1 of 2
  • ››
more

MGoBoard

  • New
  • Recent
  • Hot
  • OT: The Tigers game is very interesting
    19 replies
  • Michigan wrestlers accused of Molotov cocktail possession suspended indefinitely
    49 replies
  • Who's Your Favorite Michigan QB?
    151 replies
  • Softball Super Regional v. Louisiana-Lafayette, game 1
    53 replies
  • Sam Webb write up on five-star center Elijah Thomas
    12 replies
  • There should be 110,000 Rubber Chickens at the ND Game
    36 replies
  • OT- Miguel Cabrera is good at baseball, visual proof
    35 replies
  • Michigan/Minnesota football - Oct 5 - 330 pm EST
    15 replies
  • Memorial Day Weekend (here for the) posbang thread
    110 replies
  • The Official SIAP Alan Branch Photoshop Thread
    33 replies
  • Which Pay Site Is Best?
    60 replies
  • OT: Star Trek + Dilithium = Esplode…. Esplode clarity
    26 replies
  • OT - ND paid Charlie more than Brian Kelly in 2012
    36 replies
  • Softball SuperRegionals Open Thread
    27 replies
  • OT: ESPN hires Paul Finebaum
    40 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 6
  • ››
  • OT: The Tigers game is very interesting
    19 replies
  • Scouting Report: Jabrill Peppers
    156 replies
  • Memorial Day Weekend (here for the) posbang thread
    110 replies
  • Michigan wrestlers accused of Molotov cocktail possession suspended indefinitely
    49 replies
  • OT- Miguel Cabrera is good at baseball, visual proof
    35 replies
  • Who's Your Favorite Michigan QB?
    151 replies
  • Which Pay Site Is Best?
    60 replies
  • There should be 110,000 Rubber Chickens at the ND Game
    36 replies
  • The Official SIAP Alan Branch Photoshop Thread
    33 replies
  • Softball Super Regional v. Louisiana-Lafayette, game 1
    53 replies
  • Michigan/Minnesota football - Oct 5 - 330 pm EST
    15 replies
  • Sam Webb write up on five-star center Elijah Thomas
    12 replies
  • Who should replace ND in a long-term series?
    145 replies
  • Softball SuperRegionals Open Thread
    27 replies
  • How much do you really hate ohio?
    146 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 6
  • ››
  • OT: Red Wings vs Hawks Game 3 Open Thread
    203 replies
  • OT: Red Wings vs Hawks Game 4 Open Thread
    193 replies
  • Scouting Report: Jabrill Peppers
    156 replies
  • Who's Your Favorite Michigan QB?
    151 replies
  • OT - Official MGoBaby Thread (you got 'em, we want to see 'em)
    151 replies
  • How much do you really hate ohio?
    146 replies
  • Who should replace ND in a long-term series?
    145 replies
  • OT? Graduatin' Season. Who had the Worst Commencement Speaker?
    141 replies
  • Speight and TomVH on Peppers
    116 replies
  • OT: Red Wings @ Hawks Game 2 Open Thread
    114 replies
  • Prayers for Moore, Oklahoma
    112 replies
  • Memorial Day Weekend (here for the) posbang thread
    110 replies
  • 5 star 2013 DT may not be enrolling at Notre Dame
    93 replies
  • OT: NBA Draft Lottery
    78 replies
  • ESPN 30 for 30 on the Bad Boys
    77 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 6
  • ››

mgo.licio.us

  • Burke says Michigan can be 'just as good' next year with McGary, Robinson III leading

    yes plz

    0 comments
  • SEC coaches with tiny faces

    I don't think they changed Les at all actually

    1 comments
  • This college baseball team is the best at postgame interviews

    national champs baby

    1 comments
  • Rounding up the latest in NCAA absurdities.

    Patrick Hruby is doing God's work.

    0 comments
  • Cornell wrestler tops Michigan's Trey Burke for Sports Illustrated award | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com

    first comment: "EVERY ATHLETE HAS ASPIRATIONS OF WINNING AND WE HAVE OUR FAVORITES BUT IT IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO OTHER STUDENTS ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS, TOO!"

    0 comments
  • Burke hearing he'll go two through six in NBA draft

    stupid Pistons and their refusal to tank properly

    0 comments
  • 2013 NHL Draft Prospect: Andrew Copp

    rundown of Michigan's riser

    0 comments
  • Michigan's key returnee: Glenn Robinson

    needs moar usage

    0 comments
  • Former Arkansas QB Brandon Mitchell transferring to NC State

    so much for that

    0 comments
  • The B1G List: Ranking the State Fossils of the Big Ten

    This list is completely arbitrary and not a genuine analysis of the relative merits of state fossils.

    0 comments
  • Trey Burke turns to inner circle to prepare for NBA draft

    will be michigan's highest pick in a while

    2 comments
  • B1G assistant coach salaries on the rise

    money has to go somewhere

    0 comments
  • Tim Hardaway Jr. is motivated by his critics and doubters, and supremely confident in his ability

    I am only motivated by people who have no opinion about me.

    0 comments
  • Big Ten football procrastinates on parity-based scheduling, and nothing ever changes

    the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection

    1 comments
  • Michigan's Glenn Robinson III, Mitch McGary ranked inside top 20 on ESPN's 2014 draft board

    but I thought that draft was supposed to be incredibly loaded?

    1 comments
  •  
  • 1 of 2
  • ››
more

Roster Report Card - Offense

By AC1997 — December 22nd, 2010 at 4:16 PM — 27 comments
Filed under:
  • 2010 recruiting
  • football
  • Roster

This Diary is intended to be a “state of the roster”-type of summary heading into the final recruiting stretch. It is meant to be a diversion from coaching rumors, general recruiting chatter, or Miss St. preview posts. Obviously all bets are off if a coaching change is made and this summary will change (hopefully for the better) when signing day rolls around. In general, I thought this would generate some good discussion and that’s what this website is all about. Refer to Brian’s Depth Chart By Class for a list of the relevant players.

Offense goes first, defense wil come later.

Quarterback – A+

That’s right, I went there. I struggle to see how this position could be any better. Denard will be a Heisman candidate for the next two years, Tate has proven to be a very good backup quarterback and spot starter, and Devin will now be a freshman next year and one of the highest ranked dual-threat talents of the past three recruiting classes. I guess it would be nice to have a developmental prospect, but fourth string QBs grow on trees.

Running Back – B-

If Dee Hart stays in this class and meets his full potential maybe this grade is harsh. They certainly have depth and variety, which has not always been the case. But until someone steps forward as a homerun back and this group proves they can stay healthy, a higher grade is not warranted.

Outside Wide Receiver – B

Stonum, Hemmingway, and Odoms made for a very above average group of starters this year and all of them have had great games and will be among the best group of outside receivers in the conference for 2011. But they have all had injury issues and inconsistency issues so there isn’t a star here….yet. More concerning is the depth behind the veterans. Jackson and Stokes have played, but mostly on running downs. Robinson, Williamson, and Miller will all have tons of eligibility but are unknown quantities. Another recruit in the 2011 class would be nice.

Slot Receiver – A-

Roy Roundtree is a handful of drops away from being the next wearer of the #1 jersey [Ed-M: because dropsies stopped previous #1s?] and a future star. Kelvin Grady went from a liability to having some of the best hands on the team. Gallon and Robinson provide valuable depth. And Justice Hayes could be a future star at this position.

Tight End – C+

This is perhaps a little harsh because of the role they play in the offense. Webb has proven to be a dynamic blocker and Koger has the potential to be a very good receiver. The problem is that there is no one on the depth chart besides Brandon Moore. You may see Ricardo Miller take on the Koger role and it is expected that there will be another recruit in the 2011 class. But with fullbacks being walk-ons and the jumbo package making some valuable appearances in the playbook this year we’ll need to address this position in the next couple of recruiting classes.

Offensive Line – B+

Two starters will depart after this year and you have to give them credit for their development into solid performers this season. But without knocking their ability, they should be easily replaced. Mark Huyge has already been a starter and can step in right away with Schofield pushing for playing time. Schilling will be missed, but Barnum looks to be a solid replacement with Campbell and Mealer (plus the other centers) providing depth. Lewan and Omameh are still young and future NFL draft picks. Molk will be a senior but now has several viable back-ups in waiting. Signing another guard in this class with a lot of potential would push this to an A- for sure. Another star tackle is needed in the 2012 recruiting class.

Kicker – F

This is the biggest liability on the entire team now that there is at least depth (if not experience or talent) in the secondary. Gibbons looks like a mess with his form and results. Broekhuizen has better form but still lousy results. They don’t even have someone who can just kick it deep for kick-offs! Justin Meram from the soccer team is still wishful thinking for the time being since he has no proven track record and may go pro in his natural sport. I’m one who thinks a scholarship must go to a kicker in this class.

Kick Returner – C

This is a maddening position to grade. With all of the skill players on the roster you would think that this is a strength, but unless Stonum is the one taking the kicks there has been very little in the way of positive performance. Gallon, Robinson, and Odoms were highly underwhelming. Perhaps Dileo, Toussaint, Avery, or another young player could improve this. As great as Stonum is in this spot, his injury shows why you need to find someone else.

  • AC1997's blog
  • Login or register to post comments

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
December 22nd, 2010 at 4:20 PM | Please no on Tousssaint (Score:1)
BraveWolverine730
BraveWolverine730's picture
Joined: 09/21/2009
MGoPoints: 2744

Please no on Toussaint fielding punts or kickoffs, we have enough trouble keeping him healthy without him taking massive shots on special teams.  

" I want to win Big 10 titles. Multiply. Consecutively. I just made that word up (multiply). I'm like that. I'm good at Scrabble."

  • Login or register to post comments
December 22nd, 2010 at 4:32 PM | Yes! (Score:1)
Hardware Sushi
Hardware Sushi's picture
Joined: 03/08/2010
MGoPoints: 3495

Couldn't agree more. One of the things I'm most excited about for this bowl game is the chance to see how some guys perform when they're healthy, particularly Toussaint.

I don't know how many touches he'll get, if any, but he just looks like a great back the few times he had the ball in his hands.

Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.

  • Login or register to post comments
December 22nd, 2010 at 4:27 PM | I highly disagree that the (Score:1)
jg2112
jg2112's picture
Joined: 11/25/2008
MGoPoints: 5837

I highly disagree that the QBs were an A+, and that is even given the fact that Denard has amassed production beyond my wildest dreams.

However, his passing is still average at best and he fumbles quite a bit. There are definite things that happened this year that he can clean up in anticipation of 2011. If he cleans those things up (I"m thinking the INTs v. Michigan State, the crippling fumble versus Ohio State in particular), he will likely be invited to New York and Michigan will get invited to Pasadena.

  • Login or register to post comments
December 22nd, 2010 at 4:30 PM | I couldn't agree more. If we (Score:1)
HttV Wolverine
HttV Wolverine's picture
Joined: 08/02/2010
MGoPoints: 7363

I couldn't agree more. If we look at potential, then yes an A+ is fine or close. But we are looking at what he has done thus far. Denard is arguably the most amazing player Michigan has ever had, but saying that he needs to improve on his decision making, throwing and fumbling. I love watching him play, but he needs to improve on some things and I have no doubt that he won't.

“What the mind can conceive, the mind can achieve and those who stay will be champions.” - Bo 

][V][

  • Login or register to post comments
December 22nd, 2010 at 5:05 PM | Read the Post (Score:1)
Ziff72
Joined: 07/07/2008
MGoPoints: 5147

He didn't clarify past production or future, he said "state of the roster heading into the recruiting stretch"

Having a Heisman candidate with 2 years remaining, a backup with proven starting experience and your 3rd stringer being a 5star stud in the making is pretty much beyond anyones wildest expectations.     So yes this is an A+ situation. Can Denard improve and get better? Absolutely.   I'll challenge you to find a better situation ever in college football.......eva...

Brady/Henson was a pretty good 1/2 but Henson had no experience and I have no idea who was 3.

Tebow/Cam Newton looks awesome now, but at the time you had Tebow and an unknown guy who cheats and steals stuff.

 

 

 

  • Login or register to post comments
December 22nd, 2010 at 5:07 PM | Best situation ever? Easy. (Score:1)
jg2112
jg2112's picture
Joined: 11/25/2008
MGoPoints: 5837

Best situation ever?

Easy. Mark Brunell / Billy Joe Hobert, 1991 Washington.

Ha.

  • Login or register to post comments
December 23rd, 2010 at 10:07 AM | Florida (Score:1)
MichiganAggie
MichiganAggie's picture
Joined: 11/10/2008
MGoPoints: 640

A couple years ago had a pretty sweet lineup.

  1. Tebow
  2. Cam Newton
  3. John Brantley

Funny how things change...

  • Login or register to post comments
December 22nd, 2010 at 5:14 PM | But if you look at everything (Score:1)
HttV Wolverine
HttV Wolverine's picture
Joined: 08/02/2010
MGoPoints: 7363

But if you look at everything else he said, he is taking production into account. Otherwise, what he said about Seth and Gibbons about missing kicks and form should not be taken into account. Also what he said about Roundtree. He is a few drops away from being the recipient of the #1 jersey. You have to take into account the production of the players in order to rate them; otherwise, how do you rate a player? By the recruiting hype he had, which you can't take into account because they are often wrong.

“What the mind can conceive, the mind can achieve and those who stay will be champions.” - Bo 

][V][

  • Login or register to post comments
December 23rd, 2010 at 12:33 PM | USC QB's (Score:1)
funkywolve
Joined: 10/08/2008
MGoPoints: 1948

Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart were on the same USC team. Also, I think Leinart, Mark Sanchez and Matt Cassell were on the same USC team.

Digging a little deeper into history:  Charlie Ward and Brad Johnson were on the same Florida St football team.

  • Login or register to post comments
December 22nd, 2010 at 4:35 PM | I think Tight End is a little (Score:1)
HttV Wolverine
HttV Wolverine's picture
Joined: 08/02/2010
MGoPoints: 7363

I think Tight End is a little underrated by the OP. TE in this system don't get enough credit, IMO. Koger is a good TE that can make some spectacular catches, but can also drop some easy ones. Webb is a good blocker that can also make some nice catches and rake up some YAC.

Personally, I would love to see the TE get more involved in the offense. I see as Denard matures more and learns his progressions more he will throw to his TE more. Throughout the season, I could see the TE open in the middle of the field while Denard went for the long ball in double coverage. But again that comes with experience and learning the progressions more.

“What the mind can conceive, the mind can achieve and those who stay will be champions.” - Bo 

][V][

  • Login or register to post comments
December 22nd, 2010 at 4:44 PM | I was (Score:1)
MyUncle played-4-UM
Joined: 06/24/2010
MGoPoints: 17

thinking the same thing as you. If you go back to last year and compare this year I really think they improved a lot especially in the running game blocking wise. Saw a few plays where the tight ends made key blocks to free Denard for long ones. In the passing game I think they were more sure handed this year than last. With another off spring of seasoning with Denard they will be even better. Denard will come to realize that they are his safety valves when things break down.

Those who stay will be champions...

  • Login or register to post comments
December 22nd, 2010 at 5:08 PM | Koger made THE block on (Score:1)
jg2112
jg2112's picture
Joined: 11/25/2008
MGoPoints: 5837

Koger made THE block on Denard's 87-yard-TD run v. Notre Dame (think back now on how important THAT block, and THAT TD ended up being for this season. 6-6?) that I then watched over 200 times.

The tight ends are marvelous in this offense.

  • Login or register to post comments
December 22nd, 2010 at 4:41 PM | I think (Score:1)
MyUncle played-4-UM
Joined: 06/24/2010
MGoPoints: 17

this was a good assessment,especially concerning the future. There is always room for improvement, and hopefully we get our special teams situation taken care of. Not so sure about giving away a scholarship though on a kicker.What Gibbons needs to do is stop thinking so much and go back to basics.

Those who stay will be champions...

  • Login or register to post comments
December 22nd, 2010 at 5:00 PM | I don't agree with (Score:1)
swamyblue
swamyblue's picture
Joined: 11/01/2010
MGoPoints: 1882

I don't agree with the A + rating for the qb's but the fact that we have two capable and intelligent true-sophomores at the position reminds me that we truly have a bright future ahead of us. 

I also think we should bring in someone to push Devin!  Denard will continue to grow into a beast with Tate on his cottials.  Devin could use the same type of push although he sounds as though he's holding his own with Denard & Tate in practice.

Competition at all positions is a good thing.  This is notably true in regards to the defensive improvements we need to see for next year. Hopefully, we'll hear some chatter on how well the competition and experience is developing on that side of the ball.  Cheers and nice post.

"Don't stop your feet on contact!"

-Brady Hoke

Newsflash, if we don't win Rose Bowl '13 we will have little choice but to lay the blame on Kate Upton.  That is all!

  • Login or register to post comments
December 22nd, 2010 at 5:55 PM | With regards to Devin (Score:1)
IronDMK
IronDMK's picture
Joined: 07/28/2010
MGoPoints: 874

I think that after 3 years of competition with Tate and Denard he should be VERY ready to take over the reigns (Christmas pun!).  Plus, he should be an ass-kicker and will ALSO put Prior to shame (obviously Denard has done this already and will continue to do so next year... and the year after... even though Prior will be sitting at home watching football from his couch and not even from the sidelines of an nfl stadium).  That is all.

"Bend over and I'll show you."  Perfect answer to nearly any question.

  • Login or register to post comments
December 22nd, 2010 at 6:19 PM | I suppose it depends on how (Score:1)
Captain
Captain's picture
Joined: 06/12/2009
MGoPoints: 11602

I suppose it depends on how you value an A+.  If you believe it means "no room for improvement, this is perfect," then you're correct (and an A+ should really never be awarded outside the hypothetical realm). 

But if you've ever received an A+ in high school or undergrad, then you're probably at least vaguely aware that it tends to utilize a different definition, loosely:  "exceeds this grader's expectations and the performance of his/her peers."  As another commenter pointed out, having a Heisman candidate with two years of eligibility remaining, backed up by a once-starter with the moxie to put a game on his shoulders and a 5-star redshirt freshman third stringer I think justifies the assignment of an A+ given the purposes of the diary.

Colors That Float

  • Login or register to post comments
December 22nd, 2010 at 5:39 PM | QB ranking (Score:1)
AC1997
AC1997's picture
Joined: 09/19/2008
MGoPoints: 878

Excellent debate on the A+, which I hoped for.  Isn't it fun debating whether the QB position is an A-, A, or A+?  I didn't clarify exactly how I was grading, hoping for some more open discussion.  But what I was trying to do is predict how confident we should be for a given position going into spring practice and the 2011 season.

Denard has things he needs to improve in order for this team to contend for a title - that's obvious.  But considering his age, how he fits in the system, how well he progressed/performed this season, and who his back-ups are - can you think of a better situation? 

In 1998 the Brady/Henson/Dreisbach trio probably matched the current depth chart for potential and fit to the system.....but none of those guys had ever played.  Denard finished 6th in the Heisman voting as a true sophomore in his first year of starting. 

AC-1997

  • Login or register to post comments
December 22nd, 2010 at 6:04 PM | You broke down (Score:1)
Jensencoach
Jensencoach's picture
Joined: 12/12/2009
MGoPoints: -188

The WR into outside and slot, I think a simular breakdown by position for the O-line would add value.  Overall I enjoyed your thoughts and appreciate the effort.

"If they ever catch me, they can have 'em." -Denard Robinson

  • Login or register to post comments
December 22nd, 2010 at 8:02 PM | Meram (Score:1)
tmotts62
Joined: 05/26/2010
MGoPoints: 284

Rumor has it his scalding finish to the season has him focused entirely on prepping for the MLS draft.  Don't expect any further appearances in the winged helmet.  Obviously, good for him, but a downer for those hoping he might be the answer to our kicking woes on Jan. 1 or beyond.

  • Login or register to post comments
December 22nd, 2010 at 8:12 PM | Excellent post (Score:1)
jshclhn
jshclhn's picture
Joined: 09/12/2010
MGoPoints: 495

Personally, I view quarterback as an A currently, with a move to A+ if we can get one in this class.

The more I think about your rankings and the reasoning behind them, the more I agree.  Here's some speculation on how these rankings could change in the relatively near future:

The running backs weren't able to consistently take pressure off Denard this year (especially when it mattered), but there's a number of them there with talent.  I'll go out on a limb and say that the running backs will be healthier next year and that will make a difference in the on-the-field performance.  So, I'll bump them up to a B, contingent on D Hart signing.  

If we get a TE to sign, I would bump up the tight ends to B-.  If we sign one and Ricardo Miller changes positions to TE, then a B or B+ could be warranted.  If we get that fourth offensive lineman in this class, the O-line goes up to A- in my book.

Anyone bold enough to take a stab at the defense?

Crunch. Zip. Live to fight another day.

  • Login or register to post comments
December 22nd, 2010 at 10:16 PM | Right on the money (Score:1)
AlumniDDS
Joined: 09/20/2010
MGoPoints: -14

You were right on the money on grading the running backs (B-).  If that group improves and we add the talent that we are recruiting to the bunch, it could take our offense to even higher level. Think Oregon. If one or two of the backs can separate themselves, and we show more speed and power, then defenses have to worry about one more home run threat. Nice position to be in for upcoming seasons.

  • Login or register to post comments
December 23rd, 2010 at 12:39 AM | Is anyone else confused by this diary? (Score:1)
ST3
ST3's picture
Joined: 09/11/2010
MGoPoints: 2187

The diarist is presenting the "state of the roster" summary and assigns grades. Are these grades for the past season, or expected grades for next season? And what qualifies the diarist to assign grades to players? Plus, the post is completely lacking in any quantitative assessments. If I were Omameh, I'd want to know why the OL got a B+. If I'm a future NFL draftee, don't I get an A? Lewan, Omameh, and Molk are future NFL players. Three A's. So are the other 2 linemen that bad to drag the group down to a B+? I just get the sense this post was put together in 10 minutes or so, no offense.

  • Login or register to post comments
December 23rd, 2010 at 9:41 AM | No offense (Score:1)
jshclhn
jshclhn's picture
Joined: 09/12/2010
MGoPoints: 495

No offense, but I thought the OP was pretty clear.  

The state of the roster is the state of the roster right now, taking into account talent we have right now available to play next year (perhaps slightly confusing because much of the evidence for evaluating the current talent is to look at historical performance or projected future performance) and the recruits who as of right now have given a verbal commit to Michigan.  There's a couple spots where the OP speculates - for example, if we pick up that 4th offensive line recruit we're looking for with this class, then the OL would bump up to A-.

Crunch. Zip. Live to fight another day.

  • Login or register to post comments
December 23rd, 2010 at 7:43 AM | I have no problem with the A+ (Score:1)
WorldwideTJRob
WorldwideTJRob's picture
Joined: 07/05/2010
MGoPoints: 766

I have no problem with the A+ grade because every one of are QB's showed they could perform when called upon. We have a starter who put up numbers that no other player has put up in history, a backup who performed admirablly when called on and a 3rd stringer who by all accounts may have more potential than the two guys in front of him on the depth chart.

  • Login or register to post comments
December 23rd, 2010 at 12:46 PM | You don't get an A at Michigan for putting up stats (Score:1)
Monk
Joined: 12/25/2008
MGoPoints: 116

you get it for winning big ten titles and beating OSU, MSU and ND.  QBs, more than another position, have to win to be great.  That's why the QB heisman finalists all were on teams that won 11, 11 and 12 games.

  • Login or register to post comments
December 23rd, 2010 at 10:15 AM | I would go with a solid A for the QBs (Score:1)
pdgoblue25
pdgoblue25's picture
Joined: 03/03/2010
MGoPoints: 2641

There were still too many fumbles and unforced errors to be an A+ (yes, I do understand it was Denard's first year starting).

Janeane Garofalo (Film Actors Guild): "As actors it is our responsibility to read the newspaper, and then say what we read on television like it's our opinion"

  • Login or register to post comments
December 23rd, 2010 at 12:42 PM | QB's are more an A-, maybe an A, but definitely not A+ (Score:1)
Monk
Joined: 12/25/2008
MGoPoints: 116

The QBs were good against the worse teams on the schedule but not against the better teams.  Plus they were injured too much to get an A, second, until either Denard or Tate beats MSU or OSU, I'd hold off on anything in A category.  UM QBs are measured by how they do in the big ten and how they do against MSU and OSU, not racking up yards.

An A or A+ QB has to win, and neither of these guys, save vs. ND have won anything of note.

  • Login or register to post comments
Powered by Pressflow, an open source content management system
Theme provided by Roopletheme; sidebars adapted from Chris Murphy.