Opponent Stock Report (and Self Analysis) - Week 2

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This is my weekly feature to look back at summer previews, get egg on my face, look over what Michigan did, and then project the rest of the year as we get more real time data.  Last week's taking stock report can be found here.

Prelude:  I did season previews on most UM opponents - I skipped UNLV and Rutgers out of boredom, and OSU out of fear.  The rest are below

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Let's begin with a look back at my summer comments about Oregon State

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I opened my OSU (NTOSU) preview with:

The other OSU is going to suck this year.  And most likely will really suck.   UM could probably not have lucked into a better Pac 12 opponent and aside from a few P5s ala Kansas could not have found an easier warm up game in the Power 5 conferences.

The Beavers are basically the MSU of forty years pre Dantonio.   A plucky team with limited depth that every so often puts together a good squad that gives big brother some troubles here or there and catches the national attention in "rivalry week" but otherwise operates in anonymity in a podunk town ..... This is not one of those plucky years. 

The team lost a NFL talent senior QB (who had a decent - not great - year by Pac 12 QB standards) and loses 9 of 11 starters off a near Indiana level defense (80ish in both FEI and S&P+ last year).

 

I ended that same preview with:

UM should win and win big.  Even with all our questions on offense.  The Beavers are an offense whose strength (running) plays into UM's perceived defensive strength.  They look like they will probably be starting a true freshman in his 2nd game.  And if not a RS FR who has never played.  The returning offensive starters must learn a whole new offensive system and UM fans will remember how ugly that looked in 2008 at times. The defense should be Indiana-ish.   Oregon State will be coming off a game hosting awful Weber State (2-10 last year) - that might be their highlight of the year with the Pac 12 going to a 9 game schedule. The Beavers should be stuffed in AA.

Considering the lack of real game data I am happy with these predictions. 

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These were my views of the matchups this summer:

UM rush off v OSU rush def - Adv: UM.  Just nearly impossible to guage the Oregon State defense - while down the road I expect the Beavers to have a good defense with the combo of Andersen and Sitake this is not down the road - this is now.  Should be a great game for UM to work on their run game after what will be a very tough Utah defense in week 1.

UM pass off v OSU pass def - Adv: UM.   See comment above - Rudock is a 3 year starter and will be going against a bunch of green defensive players.  One hopes one of the secondary WR guys gets some confidence this game and begins a breakout season to join Butt and Darboh as actual threats.

OSU rush off v UM rush def - Adv: Wash.  If UM can limit the run game this should be a very ugly score line.  That said I do think Woods does get his yards even as the Beavers break in a new playbook.  UM rarely truly stuffs a good RB in MSU fashion - usually they can limit them to a good degree.  It also helps when your HC benches a star RB (thanks Kevin Wilson).  I don't expect any benching of Woods.

OSU pass off v UM pass def - Adv: UM.   We have zero intelligence on the Beavers QBs as they haven't played a minute of a real game.  Coming into the Big House in game 2 of their careers I don't expect much - Andersen and Baldwin will probably try to run nearly every 1st down and try to keep their QB in 2nd and 6 and 3rd and 3 situations.  One danger zone is sleeping on Funchess sized Villamin - when your whole day is spent crowding the line you can fall into a lull and you have to assume OSU tries to throw over the defense a few times.

 

Generally solid although I gave Oregon's rush offense too much credit.  It was bad too.  I had noted if UM could limit Oregon's run offense - which I felt would be their only offense - the score line would be ugly.  True.

OSU's defense was as bad as expected and undersized (I hadn't realized how small the DEs in the 3-4 were in the summer).  Unfortunately no secondary receiver outside of Butt or Darboh had a breakout game but part of that was it was not really necessary in the second half.  Villamin did look scary physically (3 catches, 26 yds) but you need a QB who can deliver the ball to him - OSU doesn't have one.

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I didn't see much reason to change my views in last week's stock report after the week 1 rousing victory over 2-10 in 2014 FCS Weber State. 

Next Week

My view is Oregon State is the worst or 2nd worst Pac 12 team and is being served on a silver platter to UM.   They are going through an offensive transition that mimicks UM 2008 - going from pro style to spread concepts without spread players.  Their hastily put together class has a freshman QB dual threat they are going to throw out to UM.  It should be similar to what happened when Indiana tried that last year.  And Indiana and Oregon State's defenses probably won't be too dissimilar.   Oregon State stood head to head with a 2-10 FCS level team in week 1 thru the 3rd quarter before pulling ahead.  If UM does not show a competent offense in this one I'd be worried about a lot more M00N games the rest of the year.  I expect our defense to maul the Beavers and hold them to mid teens.

OSU did even less than I thought they'd do on offense.  UM basically did what I expected on offense.

I expect my predictions to look far less prescient in the future.

 

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A Look at Michigan

After that fugly first defensive drive, UM held OSU to zero points and about 115 yards net of that horrid punt that was credited to the defense as a 48 yard loss.  I'll take 1 football field + 15 yards over 3+ quarters anytime.  Defensively my concern this year are QBs who can - you know - actually throw the ball consistently and strife our back 7 (well 6 - Jourdan Lewis does not get strifed).   Luckily for UM very few teams on the schedule have much competence at QB.  While fear snuck into the heart of many UM fans going into this game due to a "running QB" this was still a low rated true freshman in game 2 of his career in an offense full of players who knows crap about spread as everyone is learning from the ground up.  (See Michigan 2008)  The UM defense did what it needed to do although it OSU's offense plays straight into UM's strength (rush defense). 

Offensively, UM still lacks explosion.  That dude who writes Monday reviews of Michigan games for the O Zone noted the lack of explosion in UM's running game thru 2 games.

Michigan rushed for 225 yards on 48 carries (4.7 avg), but the longest carry was just 19 yards. The Wolverines are one of just 13 teams in the nation who do not yet have a carry of at least 20 yards, and their six carries of 10+ yards is 106th in the nation.

It is what it is folks - Deveon Smith is not going to gallop for 30 yards very often, if ever.  Even against shit defenses.   This will hurt vs competent defenses ala MSU, OSU, Minnesota, Utah.   It won't matter much vs the swiss cheese variety.

I was dissapointed at the lack of non TE/Darboh/RB targets in the passing game.  I mean I realize we are TE central now but if you can't find some deep seams vs Oregon State or UNLV types it seems difficult to project it happensing vs MSU and OSU defenses when we actually need to do it.  There were 18 completions in this game and only 3 went to a non TE/RB/FB/Darboh.   Rudock looked solid but still turnover prone - which will haunt UM vs better teams.  I am surprised how turnover prone he has been.

On the positive side it looked like Stanford - albeit vs a horrid defense - out there in the 2nd half.  Pound the ball, supplemented by throws to TEs, followed by physical mauling, and even a throw to AJ Williams.  TOP was dominant in the second half but against a quick strike offense that won't matter much - TO ratio is far more important to me long term.  And we lost that one again.

Not going to get giddy about this game as it was "as expected" but after 7 years of "as expected" not happening we'll mark this one as a positive step, and note our surprise that Ben Braden is great enough to start for Ohio State.  If Michigan can pound a decent defense like Minnesota into submission in the 2nd half in a similar fashion mid season, I'll be much more tickled.

 

DEGREE OF DIFFICULTY RANKINGS

Basing games on WHEN they are played and WHERE this was my general view on degree of difficulty for each opponent coming into the year.   And now my adjusted views (that will be adjusted again!) after week 3.  Again this is not how good the team is in a vacuum but how they match up vs UM.

 

  Week 2 Week 1 Preseason
1 OSU OSU OSU
2 MSU MSU MSU
3 @Minn @Utah @PSU
4 @Utah @Minn @Utah
5 BYU BYU BYU
6 @PSU @PSU @Minn
7 Northwestern Northwestern Northwestern
8 Rutgers @Maryland @Maryland
9 @Maryland Rutgers Rutgers
10 @Indiana @Indiana @Indiana
11 Oregon State Oregon State Oregon State
12 UNLV UNLV UNLV

 

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Stock Up

  • Minn (+1) - For the second week in a row I am not moving Minnesota up so much based on Minnesota but based on other teams around them faltering (or about to falter).  As I look ahead to Utah - who I moved Minn past - I see a lot of doom in the Utes future (more on that below).  So this is a bit of a pre-emptive strike.  Utah is about to embark on a month of hell while Minnesota plays 2 MAC teams, Purdue, and Northwestern. It is going to be difficult to judge Minnesota much until that Nebraska game 2 weeks before Michigan.  I've been negative on Mitch Leidner as a QB so let me give him some credit for this week when he went 23/45 for 233 yards and 2 TDs.  That % still sucks but hey in Big 10 QB terms 233 yards is like 400 in the Pac 12.  Let me say I am also confused Jerry Kill allowed his QB to throw 45 times.  Some dude you'd expect to sit next to in accounting class named Drew Wolitarsky had 9 catches for 114 yards.  Guyz, Drew from accounting had 10 catches all of last year.  Rodney Smith had a 2nd good week at RB (21 carries, 108 yds) and it looks like Minn is on its way to replacing David Cobb in a competent way.  Look it was Colorado State but if this offense can have any sort of pulse through the air I have to upgrade the Minnesota risk assessment.  CSU had a bad time passing with its new QBs and star WR out with injury but did well on the ground with 172 yds.  We won't learn anything new the next 2 weeks about Minnesota so we'll get more data when they play Northwestern in 3 weeks. 
  • Rutgers (+1) - Rutgers lost to a quite bad Washington State team in the waning seconds, and after the game indefinitely suspened their best player.   The Rutgers game is at home for Michigan. But I still moved them up 1 spot in my "degree of diffuculty rankings".  That is how bad Maryland looked.  I don't expect Rutgers defense to be all that but it's impossible to really judge a defense after playing Washington State.  Their QB threw nearly 70 times aka a normal week at WSU.  WSU's defense is so bad it's all difficult to judge opposing offenses but a key this year for Rutgers is to find a replacement for Gary (Super)Nova and Chris Laviano has looked competent thus far (23/29 204 yds).  That's nothing special but competent in the Big 10 means you are a top 5 QB in the league.  Also I'd like to note DO NOT KICK TO JANARION GRANT (6 kick returns, 195 yards, 1 TD, 32.5 average...... on top of 2 punt returns for 58 yards, 1 TD, 28.0 average).   If you are keeping track at home that is 2 TDs on kick returns. Peppers - start doing this.

 

 

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Stock Down

  • Utah (-1) - Utah lost its QB and best defensive player (Hunter Dimick) to injury and still won.  Their DBs had another 2 INTs.  While I realize Utah wins close games and doesn't blow people out I fear for Utah's future based on their schedule in the Pac 12 South and their crossovers with Oregon and Cal.  The QBs on these teams are frightening and if UM had this schedule I'd be in the turtle position.   Kessler, Goff, Adams, Solomon, Rosen - those are all guys who can crush a defense, even a solid one like Utah's.  Wilson sounds like he will be back for Oregon but it was an arm injury - and Dimick I don't see any update yet.  Utah is ranked top 25 right now but in a month they won't be - after Fresno State Utah meets Oregon, Cal, Arizona State and USC.  I could see Utah losing all 4 of those.  Cal plays Texas this week and I expect Goff to open some eyes nationally as Zaire did.  I don't think Utah is any worse than PSU, Northwestern, or BYU so it is difficult for me to push them down farther than those teams even if they are 3-4 in a month from now.  That might speak to how crappy the Big 10 is below the top few teams.
  • Maryland (-1) - In my season previews I said Maryland was the one team that the UM fanbase way overestimated this year.  They lost their NFL talent at WR, lost their starting QB (who was also their top rusher), and when not playing teams that sucked last year (incl PSU and UM) were destroyed (Wisc, OSU, MSU).  I did think Caleb Rowe would be their starting QB which gave them hope (instead it has been the ineffecitve Perry Hills) but they had potential for 5 wins this year from what I saw on paper.  But one of those wins was vs Bowling Green.   Which did not happen - not only did they lose they were blown out.  Now Bowling Green is not bad - they gave Tennessee a good battle through 2+ quarters but it is one thing to lose and another to get crushed.  And that was with Will Likely returning YET ANOTHER KICK FOR A TD.   WHY DO YOU TEAMS KICK TO WILL LIKELY.  I SAID THIS SUMMER DON'T KICK TO WILL LIKELY.  I SAID LAST WEEK DON'T KICK TO WILL LIKELY.  JOHN BAXTER - DO NOT KICK TO WILL LIKELY!!!!!!!!!!!!   Outside of Likely, Maryland is garbage. Bowling Green threw for 500 yards and 6 TDs.   Then they ran it for 200 more yards.  Their defense sucks and their offense sucks.  But hey they have good special teams - DO NOT KICK TO WILL LIKELY!!!!!!!!!!!  Maryland plays what looks to be a half decent USF team next week and then follows it with West Virginia, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Iowa, Wisconsin, and MSU.  Which is why I said they'd probably be a 5 win team (they finish with Rutgers and Indiana).  They now are in risk of not even hitting that.  (Update - i see Caleb Rowe has been named starter for next week)

 

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Stock Flat

  • OSU - sleepwalked through a Hawaii team.   Will continue to sleepwalk until they play MSU.
  • MSU - "Oregon is garbage!" comments here.   While not a vintage Oregon team this will still be a team that outscores most of their opponents and probably ends up 9-3ish so a good opponent.  And they will get better - Adams has been with that team a whole month.  Obviously a gift wrapped overthrow by Vernon Adams preserved the win, but MSU was in the national spotlight and beat a "brand" team in an exiciting back and forth affair and well all that sucks.  MSU in a vacuum is different than MSU matched up vs UM.   I just hate the matchups on the lines as UM's strength (DL) is MSU's strength (OL) and UM's potential weakness (OL) is MSU's strength (DL).  #Harbaugh and all but you need to beat MSU thru the air without a lot of turnovers and with some big chunk plays and thus far Rudock has not shown that ability.  And our ability to run on MSU's D will be .... challenged.  UM will probably need a few big plays in special teams (which is possible considering MSU's issues there) and MSU to cough the ball up a few times.  Rivalry game and all but on paper this still looks like a bad matchup based on each team's weaknesses and strengths.
  • BYU - BYU beat a quality Boise State team on the road in the closing seconds.  This makes then 2-0 in their guantlet of Neb, Boise, UCLA, and Michigan.  I don't care how it was done - it is still an impresive feat.   New QB Tanner Magnum is still an unknown but he has a huge arm.  Take out the 84 yard bomb early in that game and he went 16/27 for 225 yds.  That's still a 60% completion ratio which in Big 10 QB terms would make him aweeeesome.  He did suffer some TFLs/sacks.  Adam Hine did manage 93 yards on 19 carries which is a solid 4.9 per.  Coming into the year finding a running game not named Taysom Hill was a question for the offense.  Defensively we know what BYU is - solid rush D with awful pass D. Ryan Findley threw for 300 yards but tossed 3 picks which killed Boise.  This game feels like one both defenses will neutralize the others and it's going to be Jake Rudock vs Tanner Magnum.   I don't know who to take in that situation.   I expect BYU to lose to UCLA this week but I won't be moving them down as BYU has the type of QB to stress UM's weaknesses.
  • PSU - PSU beat the Buffalo Bulls by 13 at home.  If you are a PSU fan right now you are where UM fan has been for years - just happy it was not another disaster.  Hackenberg looked PTSD with 14/27 for 128 yards.  That's an awful 4.7 average.  PSU reshuffled its OL and gave Hackenberg some time.  The running game looked decent as Saquon Barkeley ran 12 times for 115 yards. (9.6 ave with 33 yard longest)   Barkley is a (sigh) highly rated freshman RB who probably is going to wrest the job away from Akeel Lynch in the first month on the job.  Cant take much more out of this game as the opposition is weak.
  • Northwestern - For the second straight week the peanut gallery shall yell: "Why you no move up Northwestern after beating Stanford impressively at home and crushing tomato can in game 2?"  I said last week I will wait until this week's game with Duke before judging Northwestern and I am sticking with it.  An impressive win vs a now solid program in ACC country and I'll be moving Northwestern up.  Remember, this team beat Wisconsin last year on their way to a garbage year. Newbie QB Clayton Thornston only threw 16 times but he only needed to throw 16 times - this was Eastern Illinois.   Surprisingly star RB Justin Jackson was held to a 3.5 ypc average.  The story is the NW defense which has now given up 6 pts total this year.   Duke has played nobody and given up 7 pts thru 2 games.
  • Indiana - Indiana scored 17 pts late to beat Florida International 36-22.   Indiana is who we thought they were.  Keep an eye on Jordan Howard who is Tevin Coleman's replacement.  He has had 2 monster games vs nobodies.  Indiana plays Western Kentucky next week which is actually a half decent team for a non P5.
  • UNLV - see below

 

Overall

My fear for UM in 2015 is explosive offenses and/or competent QBs as our defense is prone to issues in space and our offense is not built for track meets.  i.e. a crap team like Washington State would scare the crap out of me as a UM opponent.  Hell Bowling Green would scare me to death.  As the first few weeks have played out the schedule has turned more into UM's favor in this regard.   UNLV has a decent QB but his hamstrings look to be an issue.  Maryland had what looked like a decent QB who the coach thus far has refused to play will finally get a start this week.  BYU had a QB who is UM's nightmare for 25 years - he is out with injury.   Sackenberg might be broken.  Northwestern's QB is a newb.  Most of the other Big 10 teams have Big 10 QBs.  That's not a complement.  We'll see how Laviano develops and Sudfeld is Sudfeld.

Unless Caleb Rowe turns a whole lot of stuff around at Maryland and John Baxter decides to channel Bo and kick to Rocket IsmaIl 2.0, Michigan has a very manageable month going into MSU.  Pending a Northwestern blowout of Duke, BYU feels like the main challenge in the coming 4 weeks.

 

Next Week

Michigan is currently a 34 pt favorite vs UNLV.  Even accounting for the dumb money that puts money on brand teams this should be Michigan's easiest game of the year although UNLVs QB - if healthy - will pose more danger than Oregon State's.  If Blake Decker can play the whole game UNLV probably can put up some points on Michigan's defense.  If he cannot play, this will be ugly.  The backup QBs looked Russ Bellomy'ish last week for UNLV vs UCLA.  (4/15 for 4 yards, with a pick 6... oh and a fumble).   Unless something wacky happens this should be like playing Eastern Michigan.

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Comments

alum96

September 15th, 2015 at 12:33 PM ^

Sorry for the typos - when I write that long of content I get worried of random electricity loss and losing the whole post so I wish their was "save draft" function on the site.   I dont want to edit because I have to reload the photos. 

The BYU comment should read like this "This game feels like one both defenses will neutralize the others [rushing attack] and it's going to be Jake Rudock vs Tanner Magnum."

MGoUberBlue

September 15th, 2015 at 4:44 PM ^

That you wrote the entire post without the ability to save as you proceed further?

You are a much better man than I am.  Even though I graduated 30 years prior to you, I wouldn't have been able to compile this analysis with or without a save function.

There is one area where I would like your response, though.  You mention the inability to have a rushing play of more than 20 yards due to Smith being Smith.  It seems to me that if either of the backups could get past the line of scrimmage they have the speed to bust something greater than 20 yards.

Thanks for an analysis that gives us all some pause to take a deeper look at the team.

alum96

September 15th, 2015 at 5:09 PM ^

I think Green is better in the 2nd level once he gets to linebackers and DBs based on last year as he has more speed and more jukes but his problem is getting there.  A wayward arm of a DL guy always seems to get him down.  Which doesnt happen with Smith. 

Isaac we havent seen enough of to determine what he is. 

Drake has potential for the big play but obviously he is getting back into full health.

I think the idea here- and rightfully so is its better to get a consistent 2nd and 8 or 2nd and  7 with Smith rather than trade the risk of 2nd and 11 with Green in return for an ocassional big play.  That is only with seeing what happens with game film - we have no idea the work ethic behind the scenes. Maybe Smith is 2x the worker Green is so its moot and Harbaugh rewards that.  UM has cut out the TFL plays a lot thus far in 2 games which was a big issue for years.  So the 2nd and 12s and 3rd and 13th are not common.

Yes I wish there was a save function ala a blog posting.  I've lost multi hour pieces in the past.  Once even by closing a tab by mistake.  But most message board posts here are very short- the diaries are the exception so save function is useful for just us long winded folks.

FreddieMercuryHayes

September 15th, 2015 at 1:04 PM ^

Concerning the offense, I would say the lack of downfield passing makes it look not like Stanford (at least Stanford under Harbuagh).  While those teams certainly pounded the ball from tight formations, they also were legit downfield threats, just often with different players like TE's, than speedy WRs like with Ohio State.  In the last two years of Harbaugh with RS Frosh and RS Soph Andrew Luck, they averaged about 9 yards an attempt, both good for top-10 nationally.  That's an elite passing offense.  I think UM is just pounding right now to establish and practice that run game which will open up the over the top passing offense Harbaugh likes.

alum96

September 15th, 2015 at 2:08 PM ^

Fair point.

There were 2 Stanford footballs - I'm talking the non Luck one.

In 2008, Tavita Pritchard had a middling 6.4 ypa. 

They ran 41x a game and passed 24x.

Whalen was the leading wr with only 41 catches and 12.4 ave.  After that a lot of tight ends, running backs and some Doug Baldwin.

Like Stanford he early he is making do with what he has. 

In 09 and 10 he had a diff weapon at QB.   Interestingly the 07 Stanford actually threw a lot, 35x a game vs 37 runs but I wonder if that was due to them being behind a lot.  Same thing we had to vs Utah.  YPA in 07 was middling 6.0 among the 2 QBs.

YPA went up to 8.9 and 9.0 in Luck years.  But even in Luck's first year it was only 24 throws a game vs 41 runs.   They were just longer throws.

Wow just realilzed in 3 of his 4 years Stanford averaged exactly 41 rush attempts a game. Talk about consistency.

Sample size is too small for UM but thus far 34 pass attempts vs 38 rush attempts.  6.7 ypa per pass.  Darboh only receiver really making any dent.   Will check back around week 6.

FreddieMercuryHayes

September 16th, 2015 at 9:10 AM ^

Yeah, it will be interesting to see how the UM offense shakes out the rest of the year.  I'm guessing that those early Stanford offenses didn't have elite passing games because they were under-talented and not well developed.  I would think (or at least hope), that UM is starting from a better place than Stanford when Harbaugh walked in.  So I'm guessing the downfield passing will open up eventually, but still won't get to the death machine offense Harbaugh acheived at Stanford in year 4.

charblue.

September 18th, 2015 at 11:59 AM ^

the Big Ten leader nationally in defense against the rush. The team's rush defense is Top Ten right now. Because Stanford isn't unlike Michigan in what wants to do offensively, Michigan may have its hands full when the Wildcats come to town. 

On the other hand, I expect Michigan's defensive efficiency to improve over the next few weeks in part because of the competition that you have so well-defined in your analysis. 

I think Michigan's offense finds common ground with the run and pass game, and the return of  Drake Johnson who gives the team a speedier run threat than the current backfield options. 

I would be concerned if Michigan were playing a slew of spread teams with mobile qbs and running backs like Indiana has been producing in recent years. But Michigan's defense is going to only get better and when it comes time to face more offensive teams that like to challenge Michigan's slow linebackers in space, I suspect you will see more blitz packages with safeties and dbs being asked to do more coverage in space. 

EGD

September 15th, 2015 at 2:22 PM ^

The fourth quarter of the Maryland-BYU game was amazing.  I think the score was 27-27 at the start of the quarter.  BG then proceeds to score four TDS, while Maryland throws three consecutive INTs.  How does that happen?

Poor damn Will Likely.  If they didn't have him, I might rank Maryland below UNLV.

m1jjb00

September 15th, 2015 at 3:51 PM ^

I don't get the logic.  What does Utah's QB getting hurt this week tell you about the relative difficulty of playing Utah when we did?  How does the fact that MSU played a national game, which by this I presume you mean AP voters will give 'em a boost, tell you how difficult they're going to be when they come to Ann Arbor?

FWIW, as bad as IU is/looked, I'd still put a them above Maryland.  And, I'd have Utah (when we played them, not after playing a bunch of tough Pac-12 games w/o their QB) above Minnesota.

alum96

September 15th, 2015 at 4:25 PM ^

The AP voters dont mean a thing for my ranking.  I just meant that it was a national TV game and MSU beat a team everyone respects as a top 10ish annual type program and it just sucks that rivals continue to do this. 

I wrote in Minn's preview that it will be interesting to see how UM fares against Utah vs Minn because I see them as 2 very similar teams if with slightly diff strengths.  Both are full of 3 stars with a good coach who gets the most out of his players and play tough nosed defense with conservative offenses, and dont hurt themselves too often.   So one of those we played to open the year and one we play in week 8 so we can get a good judge of how UM has progressed with those 2 book ends.  It is almost like playing Utah twice.

I just think Utah is going to look a lot less impressive in a month even with full health.  They also have a backup Qb that is not just a throwaway but was in a legitimate competition to win the job and he played quite a bit last year.  I just dont think they are as good as last year without Nate Orchard and they suffered some key losses at wide receiver and corner to graduation.   They could finish 5th in their division very easily so that "good loss" is not going to look so great as some believe it is today.  I had more questions about Minn coming into the year and thus far they seem to be finding answers.   We play both on the road and I think if Minn played Utah 10x they'd probably be 5 and 5 against each other.  But Minn will benefit from playing Big 10 west schedule and Utah hurt by Pac 12 south.  Both teams have 2 tough crossovers.  It's a coin flip between these 2 but if in a month a potential 3-4 or 4-3 Utah is considered the 3rd toughest opponent on the schedule, this will have been one of the easiest schedules we've had in years (along with 2011?).  I think Utah is headed for a 7 win season.

Utah also had some benefits playing UM when it did - a brand new regime in game 1 with a lot of kinks to work out.  Minnesota won't have those.

Yeah tough to tell on Indiana v Maryland.  Indiana prob has the better offense but both defenses seem bad.  I want to see how Caleb rowe does for a few weeks before making a determination.  He was solid last year in limited minutes.  Perry Hills looks bad.   Indiana may be more dangerous to UM due to their ability to score more but that defense is just so bad.  Also the QB from Bowling Green looks quite legit - Indiana as played no one like that.

 

Lanknows

September 17th, 2015 at 7:45 PM ^

Utah may look less impressive in a month, sure - two of their best players got hurt.  That doesn't change how difficult it was to play them on Thursday night to open the season.  They always faced an uphill battle in the Pac 12. Nothing has really changed their save a couple injuries, which again, don't impact how tough they were for Michigan to play.

I get (and like) the Utah/Minnesota comparison (though I think Utah with Wilson will ultimately be a little less conservative than you imply)...but the fact that it was on opening night, at atiltitude, with travel and time change, makes it a much tougher matchup for a new coach facing a veteran-laden team with a lot of consistency.  It's an easier trip for Michigan (and anybody really, as Utah is a notoriously difficult place to play).  Furthermore, as you alluded to - by the time we are playing Minnesota Michigan will/should be in a better position relative to it's stable opponent.

So, if Minnesota really is just "playing Utah twice" you agree that later in the year is easier on Michigan than early in the year why would you pick a Thursday night in SLC as easier than a Sat night in Minny?

FWIW - Utah, I believe is just flat-out a better team than Minnesota, though this is speculative at this point.  Minny may end up ranked and Utah isn't because of who they play and injuries, but the team we played is very likely better than Minnesota's. I'm a little surprised that any Michigan fan would STILL not fully respect the Utah program for what they are.  Though, to your credit, you did put them pretty high on the list, even with the adjustment.

alum96

September 17th, 2015 at 11:47 PM ^

Michigan also had advantages i.e. no one knew their playbook.  Utah was breaking in a new OC and DC.  It was also their first game so they will be better as the year goes by.

Utah is a solid squad that again I think would be competitive for 2ndish in the Big 10 west.  I had them as the 3rd most difficult opponent coming into the year so I am obviously giving them respect.  They are just not some powerhouse UM people want to make them out to be after the game - many of the same people who said we'd roll them before the game. 
An eventual 7-5 team is not any great shakes and thats what I see in Utah.

Lanknows

September 18th, 2015 at 1:10 PM ^

I guess my point on Utah is that injuries don't change the past even if it makes it tougher on them in the future.  Whether Utah's injuries cause them to go from 8-4 to 6-6 doesn't change the difficulty level of for Michigan in week 1.  It changes future perceptions, not historical realities. 

Utah is who we thought they were, a fringe top 25 team, except now with with a couple injuries.  Not a powerhouse, but neither is Minnesota. I'd add that the strength of their team (DL) could have made our team's weakness (OL) look worse than they hopefully are.

Good point about the playbook, that's a real advantage -- but I don't think Harbaugh threw out too many things they didn't expect, at least anymore so than what Utah did with an entire offseason to prepare.

And while you're also right about the coordinators, Whittingham kept most of his staff, so there was still a lot more continuity than Michigan had.

Michigan should improve faster than stable teams (like Minn and Utah) and therefore playing someone of that caliber later in the year should be relatively less dificult.  Minnesota would have to be a lot better to be a more difficult opponent, and I doubt they are, even if they are more likely to be ranked in the top 25 a month from now.

 

funkywolve

September 15th, 2015 at 11:17 PM ^

I get what you're saying but at the end of the day they ran 48 times and only threw it 26,  The second half was a heavy dose of the running game.  I think as the season progresses we'll see the offense open up some.  We all came into the season knowing Butt was the most proven recent receiver, and honestly, Bunting has been a great surprise.  They've taken some shots down the field in the 2 games, they just haven't connected.  Rudock's strength is the short to mid range passing game.  As the tight ends establish themselves more, defenses are going to start focusing on them more and that should open up the deep outside routes to the wr's.

Bodogblog

September 16th, 2015 at 10:29 AM ^

"but you need to beat MSU thru the air without a lot of turnovers and with some big chunk plays and thus far Rudock has not shown that ability." 

The hope is that we see some of that over the next several games.  He was awful close against Utah several times.  He didn't really need to get the ball deep vs. Oregon State, at least not in the second half.  No quibbles here, I agree with your statement.  We really need to see that deeper threat emerge in the passing game, which everyone knows.  Drake Harris 100 dot emoji (I believe that's how Brian put it). 

Moonlight Graham

September 16th, 2015 at 11:11 AM ^

ready for the games at Minnesota and Penn State. Right now if I'm saying we're a 7-5 team (and I'm not), I'm seeing losses to BYU, Northwestern, MSU and OSU. But I think we'll win at least one or two of those. This *could* be a decent borderline-special season, solidly in that Citrus-Outback-Holiday bowl slot, none if which would be bad. A return to San Diego for Coach's first UM bowl game would be kinda neat. 

Lanknows

September 17th, 2015 at 7:56 PM ^

Interesting comparison about them...

Last year they lost 42-30 at Minnesota, but outgained them 409-338. This year the Northwestern squad you are quick to dismiss outgained Eastern Illinois 496-138 and won 41-0.  I know it's a cupcake but that's how very good teams treat em.

Now obviously Minn could have gotten better and E.Ill could have gotten worse since last year, but that's at least some circumstantial evidence that Northwestern is for real.  I'd put that NWU game right behind Utah and above Minnesota on the difficulty scale.  That's two impressive wins that Northwestern has.  Minn has looked good too, but Colorado State shouldn't be doing what they did to high level power 5 team, not with a new rookie HC.

Lanknows

September 18th, 2015 at 1:25 PM ^

My point is that the bad team gave Minny a fight and got crushed by Northwestern. The difference in outcomes there was severe.

Things change from one year to the next, sometimes dramatically, but generally the overall quality of programs is somewhat consistent.

We'll learn more as the season goes on, but beating a bad opponent that soundly is a good sign (for Northwestern). Paird with beating Stanford, you have two different points of evidence that NWU is good, in a way that you don't for say Illinois (who has only beaten two very bad teams.)