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By JokischTacopants — July 15th, 2008 at 11:38 AM — 13 comments
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After losing so many starters and back-ups, it is an obvious area of worry.

How bad is the situation? I'll look at the bad, the good, and then the questions. Many facts taken from Phil Steele and other previews.

BAD

  • Long, Kraus, Boren, Mitchell (5 starts), Ciulla (5 starts) lost.
  • Number of returning career starts for the whole offensive line is 118th in the NCAA (16: 13 for Schilling, 2 for Ortmann, 1 for McAvoy).
  • Learning a new offense.
  • Only 8-9 scholarship players, not counting true freshmen (of which, maybe only one or two have the size/skill to play immediately).
  • Some of the projected starters are the kind of disappearing late-career players that would be the like of Doug Dutch acting as a starting CB or Anton Campbell starting at RB last year.

GOOD

  • The 4 new starters are all 4th year juniors. They are not 260 pound true freshmen.
  • The 5 projected starters (Moosman-McAvoy-Zirbel-Schilling-Ortmann) were all highly rated coming out of high school. In Phil Steele parlance, VHTs. Let's compare their recruiting rankings, using the Phil Steele composite, to projected starters from schools like Texas and Ohio State. All are as OL unless noted.

Michigan: #39, #44, #20, #4, #33TE

Ohio State: #24, #25, #46, #6 (Adams, #39 [Browning] if not), #2

Texas: #35, #10, #55, #28, #23

As you can see, there is no significant difference.

  • 6 true frosh are coming in, 4 of whom were very highly touted (4-5 star). At the very least, one would think Dann O'Neill has the size and skill and experience (played in a similar offense) to be a solid 2nd string and perhaps supplant another starter towards the end of the season. An OL starting as a true frosh is quite rare, but becoming less rare as HS programs become more sophisticated.

QUESTIONS

  • Are these four new junior starters talented players who were just waiting their turn, or talented players overlooked by the previous coaching staff.... or, talented HS players who just don't have the skills to become real Big 10 starters?
  • Will the new staff develop OL talent better? Others have pointed out the decline in Michigan OL quality and NFL draft picks recently, despite high quality recruiting.
  • Injuries... the starters might be decent, but if a couple go down with injuries, who takes their place? There are a bunch of MAC-quality walk-ons/scholarship players (Huyge #275 OL in his class, Nowicki #233), plus 282 pound redshirt frosh Molk, plus the true frosh, plus Dorrestein on the outside. If you Molk and O'Neill have to see playing time on the inside and outside, respectively, this would probably be okay. But Nowicki, Huyge and Dorrestein?
  • How will the freshmen develop?
  • Does the new offense put less emphasis on high-quality pass-blocking skills (hard for a young player or MAC-level player to handle to handle) and more emphasis on Ninja Football trickery that an average OL can handle?

I look forward to comments from those who know football better and those who can correct any factual errors.

 

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July 15th, 2008 at 11:49 AM | My biggest question... (Score:1)
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How will the linemen from the Carr years do as far as the mobility needed for the new offense goes? I am worried that even with the Barwis effect they may not have the footwork to be effective in the spread.

 

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July 15th, 2008 at 12:32 PM | lloyd/deboard switched to (Score:1)
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lloyd/deboard switched to zone blocking in 2006 and 2007.  RR also uses a zone blocking scheme, although from what i understand it is a different variation.

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July 15th, 2008 at 12:47 PM | Will it be enough? (Score:1)
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That is a good point.  I wonder if it will translate to the spread though.  I just have visons of Michell and Boren being fat and slow.  We will have bigger gaps to block I assume in the new offense (like NW lines of the last few years).

 

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July 15th, 2008 at 1:34 PM | Believe the Hype (Score:1)
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If all S&C hype is true, then I doubt there is a single fat slow player left. Additionally, some of the earlier "playing time optional" quotes suggest players not selling out will be riding pine. I think we will be impressed by the conditioning of everyone including the o-line. The real question I think is the experience/technique/execution.

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July 15th, 2008 at 12:43 PM | schilling was a 5 star (Score:1)
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schilling was a 5 star recruit but he had a lot of trouble last year. to be fair, every team put their best DE on him (or as far away from long as posible) but unless they move him to guard that will be the case this year as well. hopefully barwis will get him ready

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July 15th, 2008 at 1:01 PM | As far as I can see it (Score:1)
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As far as I can see it ultimately doesn't matter these guys are all starting from square one. The talent level of a lineman at Michigan is much Better than that of WVU. Every one of the lineman whether frosh or senior stands a chance to play as long as they can prove to coach Rod that they are worthy to.
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July 15th, 2008 at 2:57 PM | Huh? (Score:1)
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In what world would Doug Dutch start? Do you mean if there is an injury? I would presume that if either Warren or Trent get injured than BOBO would be a starter.

No question, Jim.

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July 15th, 2008 at 3:50 PM | My point was that it would be (Score:1)
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My point was that it would be *as if* Dutch were a starter in the secondary.  Some of these guys were all but forgotten until the wave of graduation/early graduation/transfer depleted the ranks.
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July 15th, 2008 at 7:02 PM | all but forgotten? (Score:1)
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remember these guys were only sophomores last year. and most of them got a few starts. i know what you're saying, we don't know if they are any good and they could suck. but they could also be great

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July 15th, 2008 at 3:30 PM | Your concerns are well placed. The OL is a major ? (Score:1)
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Probably the biggest in a season of major unknowns. It will not take long to get an answer as Utah will test this unit hard and fast. Expect to see some breakdowns early. Hopefully, by midseason the unit will be ok. I am confident that Schilling and Moosman have improved significantly. The toughest issue is depth. Molk and Dorrestein are the only returnees who are anywhere near ready. Only O'Neill is ready among the frosh. Barnum may be forced to play but he is undersized and the rest are just not ready (Mealer is still recovering from auto accident injuries). If the OL can keep Threet vertical & healthy, he can do the job. Big if.

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July 15th, 2008 at 3:43 PM | Take a deep breath (Score:1)
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And go watch the Michigan vs. Florida game again. Then compare that to the picture of Ohio State penetrating every gap on the O-Line (Even Long!!?!). I think the "spread" in any form de-emphasizes the offensive line, as long as the QB can make a decision fast. Even NON-mobile Henne took apart Florida by making fast decisions, and having plenty of options in the field. Personally I think that offense was influenced by RR. I also think it was initiated by Carr asking RR to assess the talent and make a recommendation on what could be implemented in the short time before the bowl game. my prediction, we lose to Wisconsin, MSU and maybe PSU, then emotion takes over for OSU in another "point explosion" game. but methodical power football will be tough in the early going of the season with a young offense, no matter what a slimmer defense is capable of doing.

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July 15th, 2008 at 3:55 PM | Actually, I am optimistic overall... (Score:1)
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They are fourth-year juniors, they were highly-rated recruits... if one compares them to WVU's guys or guys from the mid-tier Big 10 schools, they should be decent, and hopefully all they have to do is make one good block and meanwhile Minor or Brown or Hemingway or McGuffie are already into the secondary.
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July 15th, 2008 at 11:29 PM | Optimism (Score:1)
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I'm brimming with confidence about the Michigan offensive line. I think they're going to be very, very good. And the defense is going to be very, very good. I would be surprised if the Wolverines lost more than two games.

Winning breeds confidence. Losing breeds reality.

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