Would anyone happen to have some recruiting data at their fingertips comparing how our 22 starters stacked up against Toledo's in terms of recruiting rankings (player by player)? It would also be nice to know how much experience was on the Toledo roster too vs. ours (Fr, Soph, Jr, Sr). IMO it's safe to say if the talent is far, far superior on the Michigan side of the ball and the experience commensurate then you have to put this particular loss square on the coaches.
I can't help but feel like this loss is worse than Appy St. b/c at least they were 3X National Champs and there was part of me that was expecting a colossal meltdown in the Lloyd era given all the games we played close against inferior talent. It's stupid to call for RR's head for a lot of reasons but #1 is that UM is going to give him at least 3 years no matter what so what's the point of starting now? However, I don't agree with the posters who say, "I can't wait for 2010 to get here." That's classic Michigander apologizing at it's best. Uh, what about next year? UM was a solid program for 40 years under Bo, Mo & Lloyd and while I was happy to see it end, it's no excuse for the program to continue blundering into new historical lows during the '09 season like the one it did today. I think it would also be good to compare RR's progress in Yr 1 & Yr 2 with the other historically strong CF programs who got new coaches in the past decade (e.g. Tressel, Carrol, Meyer, Stoops, etc) and see how he compares when that time rolls around. I believe a lot of those guys won MNC's in Year 2/3 of their coaching tenure. If by the end of Yr 2 Michigan isn't where most of those programs were, then I think it's fair for us to start losing faith in him and Bill Martin. It's important to keep in mind Michigan was almost always winning 8 or 9 games under Lloyd so the hire is supposed to improve upon that. But that's down the road and for now we need to pull for RR b/c he's got the reigns and if we have 2 or 3 horrible years we could end up in a Notre Dame like nosedive. I never thought I'd say or think that until we lost to Toledo today.
Regardless of what they say in interviews I'm doubtful this group of guys is willing to lay it all out there for their coach and it's understandable. When I get a new boss at work there's a feeling out process and regardless of whether it's right or wrong I think it's just natural to be reluctant about giving allegiance or my best effort right away, especially if I deem him/her to be worse than my previous boss or a prick. The upperclassman probably loved Lloyd. It's also no secret that RR is not a player's coach like, say the ridiculously successful Wayne Fontes. And you also have upperclassman who don't get any PT after waiting years to see the field under Lloyd and it's understandable if they're pissed. This negativity is probably at odds with the positive outlook the freshman have and it's creating some weird mojo on Saturdays. Blah blah blah. Just beat fucking Toledo. I mean it's Toledo and they're 1-4.
This year is obviously lost but no way did I think getting beaten by a 1-4 Toledo team at home was something we'd have to endure. RR is a proven winner and I would be absolutely shocked if he didn't get Michigan to a level that was better than Lloyd by the end of Yr 2 and his entire 3rd season. I believe in his electrons in space offense. The only way it does not work is if the type of jock that Michigan attracts, you know, with a decent head on his shoulders (excluding Slocum), does not respond well to the "break you down (physically & mentally) and build you up" mentality of the RR coaching philosophy. That's my only fear and I don't think it will apply b/c it appears he's targeting the same guys he brought in at WVU - guys with a crazy passion for the game who we'll work hard to qualify.
Writing = therapy and boy did I need some today.